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Title: Infantry questions
Post by: m_w_2012 on June 09, 2011, 02:44:12
So my question is this- Will the canadian arm forces ever be accepting applications for infantry again? I tried to apply for the infantry just this past week but the recruiters did not accept my app and told me its closed and to apply in march 2012. Now i guess i missed the Fiscal year or due date or something which i understand and accept but i guess i would like to know when will the canadian army be accepting apps for the infantry? and when would be the best time to apply?

my next question and concern:

There is one problem with me applying to the canadian army. I was in the reservers  as an infantryman when i was 17 (im 20 right now) but i quit because i had a hard time balancing school and the reservers at the same time. The recruiter said that i might not be able to ever process an app for the military again depending on my release terms from the reserves, which i understand but i know i was released under voluntary, but he won't know that until he checks out my very old file. So i guess what im trying to get at is........ if the CF start hiring infantryman again  when would the best time for me to apply? Would it be march? If so should i hand in my application before march to give then time to look up my old file?

i hope my questions and situation makes sense and i hope someone can get back to me with some decent information.

P.S. I want to serve my country as an infantryman because infantry is what i need to full fill my dream to serve my country, but i feel like i have lost my chances to serve. I have been regretting my decision ever since i quite.

Thanks
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: greyman_11 on June 09, 2011, 02:56:04
According to the recruiting website infantry is in demand.   
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: greyman_11 on June 09, 2011, 03:16:14
The recruiting website is always out of date. And it doesn't have a red star beside it.   

(Yes I understand if you click "Accepting Applications" in the filter, it does show up, among a bunch of other trades, but I have a feeling that's incorrect. Typically that will only show all jobs with that fancy red star beside them)

The accepting applications list changed recently. Infantry and a few other trades weren't there a couple weeks ago. I'm just saying what I saw. If it's not open for applications they should sort their crap out and fix it so people don't get their hopes up.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: lethalLemon on June 09, 2011, 06:13:36
CFRC Calgary informed me that Infantry is open and accepting applications (Reg Force)
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: captloadie on June 09, 2011, 06:25:52
Or you could try contacting this member, apparently he has all the answers.

http://forums.milnet.ca/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=43105

Although his thread was much funnier before being locked and cleaned up.

Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Surette87 on June 09, 2011, 08:22:28
I applied at CFRC Toronto for Infantry Reg Force and they took my application in. Not to mention, i did my CFAT, my medical, and the interview. Now all that waits for me is a phone call.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: 211RadOp on June 09, 2011, 09:45:48
So my question is this- Will the Canadian Armed Forces ever be accepting applications for infantry again? I tried to apply for the infantry just this past week but the recruiters did not accept my app and told me its closed and to apply in march 2012. Now I guess I missed the Fiscal year or due date or something which I understand and accept but I guess I would like to know when will the Canadian army be accepting apps for the infantry? And when would be the best time to apply?

My next question and concern:

There is one problem with me applying to the Canadian army. I was in the reserves   as an infantryman when I was 17 (I'm 20 right now) but I quit because I had a hard time balancing school and the reserves at the same time. The recruiter said that I might not be able to ever process an app for the military again depending on my release terms from the reserves, which I understand but I know I was released under voluntary, but he won't know that until he checks out my very old file. So I guess what I'm trying to get at is........ if the CF start hiring infantryman again,  when would the best time for me to apply? Would it be March? If so should I hand in my application before March to give then time to look up my old file?

I hope my questions and situation makes sense and I hope someone can get back to me with some decent information.

P.S. I want to serve my country as an infantryman because infantry is what I need to full fill my dream to serve my country, but I feel like I have lost my chances to serve. I have been regretting my decision ever since I quit.

Thanks

Fixed it up for you.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: spartan30 on June 09, 2011, 15:39:59
I applied last year for infantry and combat engineer, and did everything but never got merit listed due to a medical issue once it got cleared up they were full. I applied again when they said to, March of 2011, and I got the job offer for infantry on May 16.

They told me that there was only 9 spots open in western canada for infantry and that it was highly competitive. Luckly I got selected.

Just don't give up and hand one in next year. Nothing else you can really do but wait.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Nauticus on June 09, 2011, 16:46:30
So my question is this- Will the canadian arm forces ever be accepting applications for infantry again? I tried to apply for the infantry just this past week but the recruiters did not accept my app and told me its closed and to apply in march 2012. Now i guess i missed the Fiscal year or due date or something which i understand and accept but i guess i would like to know when will the canadian army be accepting apps for the infantry? and when would be the best time to apply?

my next question and concern:

There is one problem with me applying to the canadian army. I was in the reservers  as an infantryman when i was 17 (im 20 right now) but i quit because i had a hard time balancing school and the reservers at the same time. The recruiter said that i might not be able to ever process an app for the military again depending on my release terms from the reserves, which i understand but i know i was released under voluntary, but he won't know that until he checks out my very old file. So i guess what im trying to get at is........ if the CF start hiring infantryman again  when would the best time for me to apply? Would it be march? If so should i hand in my application before march to give then time to look up my old file?

i hope my questions and situation makes sense and i hope someone can get back to me with some decent information.

P.S. I want to serve my country as an infantryman because infantry is what i need to full fill my dream to serve my country, but i feel like i have lost my chances to serve. I have been regretting my decision ever since i quite.

Thanks
The fiscal year begins again in April 2012, so if the recruiter suggested you apply in March 2012 (one month early), it's probably good advice.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: malamudagain on June 09, 2011, 18:48:08
The recruiting website is always out of date. And it doesn't have a red star beside it.   

(Yes I understand if you click "Accepting Applications" in the filter, it does show up, among a bunch of other trades, but I have a feeling that's incorrect. Typically that will only show all jobs with that fancy red star beside them)

Gee, that really projects an image of professionalism in the year 2011 when practically everyone uses the internet. 
Is it really too much to ask that someone keeps it up to date? 
Do you find that to be such a burdensome task?
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Nauticus on June 09, 2011, 18:59:43
Gee, that really projects an image of professionalism in the year 2011 when practically everyone uses the internet. 
Is it really too much to ask that someone keeps it up to date? 
Do you find that to be such a burdensome task?
Although I think most of us would agree that it would be nice if it were more in date than it currently is, but recruiting figures come and go at such a pace that I think it would always just be that much quicker to contact a recruiter.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: aesop081 on June 09, 2011, 20:44:42
Gee, that really projects an image of professionalism in the year 2011 when practically everyone uses the internet. 


I'm sure our performance in Afghanistan, Libya and many other places speaks to our professionalism quite a bit more significantly than a website, so i think our reputation will do just fine.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Waters81 on June 09, 2011, 21:17:42
I applied at CFRC Toronto for Infantry Reg Force and they took my application in. Not to mention, i did my CFAT, my medical, and the interview. Now all that waits for me is a phone call.

Same here. I applied in April, am still waiting for my file to go through processing, but I call every Thursday just to get an update and to see if Infantry is still open, and they keep telling me it is.
Man, everyone else is getting their calls, what the hell is wrong with my app?!...maybe I AM tpoo old.

 :-\
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: mwc on June 09, 2011, 21:49:37
Same here. I applied in April, am still waiting for my file to go through processing, but I call every Thursday just to get an update and to see if Infantry is still open, and they keep telling me it is.
Man, everyone else is getting their calls, what the hell is wrong with my app?!...maybe I AM tpoo old.

 :-\

Don't worry, I'm 20 and was told to **** off (not literally) for yet another year.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Towards_the_gap on June 09, 2011, 22:12:30
Gee, that really projects an image of professionalism in the year 2011 when practically everyone uses the internet. 
Is it really too much to ask that someone keeps it up to date? 
Do you find that to be such a burdensome task?

I will add to CDN_Aviator's comments and say, on behalf of the CF, I apologise to you for the website not being up to date. We've had this little thing called a war going on and so updating a list on a website took a back seat.


.....Wrong place for the attitude there fella.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: aesop081 on June 09, 2011, 22:15:24
We've had this little thing called a war going on

2 of them actually.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Surette87 on June 10, 2011, 18:04:59
Same here. I applied in April, am still waiting for my file to go through processing, but I call every Thursday just to get an update and to see if Infantry is still open, and they keep telling me it is.
Man, everyone else is getting their calls, what the hell is wrong with my app?!...maybe I AM tpoo old.

 :-\

I just hope they accept my application and that I get a phone call soon. Best of luck to you as well :)
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Surette87 on June 10, 2011, 18:13:51
By the way, is there anybody here who's from Toronto, who has been merit listed and has their date for BMQ for Infantry Reg Force?
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Sample2K7 on June 12, 2011, 09:45:18
Nobody on the merit list would have dates for BMQ as they haven't been offered a position yet. Once the selection officers choose the people they want from the merit list they will be notified with a job offer, swear in date, and BMQ date.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: m.k on June 15, 2011, 00:23:40
Infantry is extraordinarily competitive at this point in time and regardless of whether or not you have an application processing for it, you will likely not get the job this time around. (key word likely)
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Romanmaz on June 23, 2011, 13:27:16
By the way, is there anybody here who's from Toronto, who has been merit listed and has their date for BMQ for Infantry Reg Force?
I'm from Toronto, Infantry RCR regular forces, leaving for St.Jean Sept.3rd and BMQ start date Sept.5th.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Dimsum on June 24, 2011, 03:20:39
I'm from Toronto, Infantry RCR regular forces, leaving for St.Jean Sept.3rd and BMQ start date Sept.5th.

A little derail, but I didn't think regiment "selection" happened until after some courses (ie. not prior to BMQ)?
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Nauticus on June 24, 2011, 03:25:11
I'm from Toronto, Infantry RCR regular forces, leaving for St.Jean Sept.3rd and BMQ start date Sept.5th.
I've never heard of someone attached to PPCLI, RCR, or Vandoos, before they had even started BMQ....
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: lethalLemon on June 24, 2011, 03:25:35
A little derail, but I didn't think regiment "selection" happened until after some courses (ie. not prior to BMQ)?

Exactly.

You don't know what regiment you're posted to until you receive your first posting. So even if you're from Toronto and The RCR is convenient for you... you could still end up in Alberta or Manitoba with the PPCLI if that's where the available positions are and the demand is.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Romanmaz on June 24, 2011, 10:08:05
A little derail, but I didn't think regiment "selection" happened until after some courses (ie. not prior to BMQ)?
I've never heard of someone attached to PPCLI, RCR, or Vandoos, before they had even started BMQ....
Exactly.

You don't know what regiment you're posted to until you receive your first posting. So even if you're from Toronto and The RCR is convenient for you... you could still end up in Alberta or Manitoba with the PPCLI if that's where the available positions are and the demand is.

Well, tell that to the recruiter that called me and told me I'm going to be posted with the RCR when I received a job offer, I'm not an idiot, I don't just pull random information out of thin air. However, I do understand from what some people are posting that after BMQ some things might change because you will be posted wherever you are needed at the time, so nothing is set in stone. P.S. I would rather be posted in Edmonton then Toronto, "convenience" has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Squid on July 29, 2011, 01:04:18
Hello everyone,

I understand that this question may have been asked before, but i have been rummaging through the forums for a couple hours now and have searched on the topic but cant seem to really get a straight answer... maybe I'm not looking properly. Sorry for bothering any of the mods.
Anyways, I had a question about my application to join the CF reserves as an Infantry Soldier :salute:
There are three options for Infantry listed : PPCLI, RCR, RR22ER
I've checked out the first two's websites already, cant find the third one (i think its a french regiment).

I'm not sure what to put down on my application though since I'm looking to join the reserves and it looks like these options are regular force ?  ???
I have no idea ( sorry for the lack of knowledge ). I'm looking for a reserve in or close to Toronto since i will be attending school near there.
I'm thinking the recruiter may have given me the wrong form, but that's just a wild guess cause I'm lost  :brickwall:

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Squid on July 29, 2011, 01:14:28
I also would like to state that i have no idea what im doing in this application because the recruiter didnt really help me that much so im kinda lost.
I plan on going back there to get things clarified, but i tried here first
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: thehare on July 29, 2011, 01:14:54
Though I am not sure of the hiring status of Infantry, I do know that these are indeed Reg Units and are not Reserve. If you are near Toronto I would suggest looking up the Queens Own Rifles (QOR) or 48th Highlanders of Canada.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Squid on July 29, 2011, 02:02:51
Wow that was very helpful thank you !
I will be heading down to each reserve to check them out and hopefully soon enough be in the infantry
Heard that they take a long time to recruit new applicants though :-\
Thanks again anyway 
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: duplex drive on August 10, 2011, 17:20:11
To clear some things up,
I think what Romanmaz was talking about was the recruiter telling him which unit was in need of boots, today my application was submitted and the recruiter told me that if I accept the job offer after all the procedures for applying, that PPCLI was the only unit accepting men :nod:
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Snaketnk on August 10, 2011, 18:22:03
Romanmaz is actually right, all of the young Cpl/Ptes I know all were given a choice upon application of Regiments (NOT Battalions) and all of their choices were honoured. In fact, they even prompt you for the information during the interview if you didn't provide it.

These experiences are from at least 4 years ago to just over a year ago.

EDIT: As made apparent by JRH93's post, things can change, I'm just stating that in the last 5 years of so, standard practice was to offer the choice.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Rhodesian on August 10, 2011, 18:37:39
When a soldier receives his offer of employment for infantry, it clearly states which regiment he will belong to.  From the moment you are sworn in, you become a member of that regiment.  This is why the trade seemed over strength to NDHQ, but not at unit level.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: GhostofJacK on August 10, 2011, 18:38:23
In 2003, during my recruiting process, they asked me which my preference would be and when I got my call, they said what Regiment I'd go to. During training, the Bn I'd end up at changed on a weekly basis.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: PPCLI Guy on August 10, 2011, 21:10:13
To clear some things up,
I think what Romanmaz was talking about was the recruiter telling him which unit was in need of boots, today my application was submitted and the recruiter told me that if I accept the job offer after all the procedures for applying, that PPCLI was the only unit accepting men :nod:

True enough - the PPCLI only accepts Men (gender neutral term meaning mature, driven and generally manlier specimens).

Not so sure about the other Regiments... >:D
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: GAP on August 10, 2011, 21:36:17
 :rofl:
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Anyone's Grunt on August 10, 2011, 23:05:22
I've never heard of someone attached to PPCLI, RCR, or Vandoos, before they had even started BMQ....


It was like that 11 years ago when I got in, I don't see why it would change.

The recruiter on the phone told me "I have a job offer for you with The RCR."

"What about PPCLI?" I inquired

"You'll have to wait for PPCLI, could be up to a year."

"RCR it is then!" I exclaimed with an empty wallet.

I imagine conversations like that occur every so often with infantry recruits. 

As explained to me, albeit a dozen years ago, your placed on a merit list according to your CFAT scores, PT test results, (when they did PT tests at the CFRC,) and interview.  The list is accessible by both Anglo regiments for Anglo recruits and when a certain number of positions become available they scrape off the top of the list and offer them jobs regardless of which regiment the recruit prefers.  You can choose to decline the offer, but at our own peril. 

Is that still about what goes on?
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: MikeL on August 10, 2011, 23:22:21
When my brother was in the recruiting process he stated that he wanted PPCLI and a short while after his testing he was offered a position with PPCLI, this was in 2003.  Guys I know that joined up later on in 05/06 etc each stated the Regiment they wanted and when they got the call for a job offer it was for that specific Regiment. 
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: OsoVega on August 10, 2011, 23:32:24
In what way is the Infantry competitive? I mean, how specifically would one be a competitive applicant? I'm asking this as a highschool student going into grade 12.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Romanmaz on August 10, 2011, 23:47:04
In what way is the Infantry competitive? I mean, how specifically would one be a competitive applicant? I'm asking this as a highschool student going into grade 12.
You're ranked against other applicants based on your MP (Military Proficiency) score. It's a cumulative score based on your Interview, CFAT Score, and previous educational background. All things you could have figured out in 5 seconds using the search function......



Edit* Missed a word in there.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: OsoVega on August 11, 2011, 00:09:44
You're ranked against other applicants based on your MP (Military Proficiency) score. It's a cumulative score based on your Interview, CFAT Score, and previous educational background. All things you could have figured in 5 seconds using the search function......
Thanks but I honestly can't think of keywords that would bring me this information. Even "military proficiency" doesn't return anything of relevance. Also, would that mean a high school graduate with no university degree is unlikely to be accepted or that high school marks have a significant effect? My attempts at searches haven't returned an answer for this question.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Romanmaz on August 11, 2011, 00:30:56
Thanks but I honestly can't think of keywords that would bring me this information. Even "military proficiency" doesn't return anything of relevance. Also, would that mean a high school graduate with no university degree is unlikely to be accepted or that high school marks have a significant effect? My attempts at searches haven't returned an answer for this question.
http://tinyurl.com/44de2cs (http://tinyurl.com/44de2cs) The first page, first answer, is me saying the exact same thing I just told you. ;)
Well, that depends on how many university graduates apply for the same ncm position you're applying for. Obviously they would have an advantage over you in the previous educational background criteria, however, that is only one factor in determining your MP score. The interview and CFAT score are much more relevant. I believe it's broken down 60% Interview, 20% CFAT, and 20% Previous Education, but don't quote me on that. I applied and got a job offer in just under 5 months with a high-school diploma, but I did extremely well on my interview and CFAT.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: OsoVega on August 11, 2011, 01:04:44
http://tinyurl.com/44de2cs (http://tinyurl.com/44de2cs) The first page, first answer, is me saying the exact same thing I just told you. ;)
Well, that depends on how many university graduates apply for the same ncm position you're applying for. Obviously they would have an advantage over you in the previous educational background criteria, however, that is only one factor in determining your MP score. The interview and CFAT score are much more relevant. I believe it's broken down 60% Interview, 20% CFAT, and 20% Previous Education, but don't quote me on that. I applied and got a job offer in just under 5 months with a high-school diploma, but I did extremely well on my interview and CFAT.
Thanks a lot for the information. I was using the site search bar, by the way.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Romanmaz on August 11, 2011, 01:19:01
Thanks a lot for the information. I was using the site search bar, by the way.

 :salute:
No problem.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: m.k on August 11, 2011, 01:44:36

 :salute:
No problem.
what was your average in HS?
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Romanmaz on August 11, 2011, 03:43:16
what was your average in HS?
It wasn't that amazing (70's-80's with a little bit of sweet talking), I was an athlete in high-school.  :pushup: Everyone used to joke and tell me I spent more time behind the school then inside the building...
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: m.k on August 11, 2011, 21:57:18
It wasn't that amazing (70's-80's with a little bit of sweet talking), I was an athlete in high-school.  :pushup: Everyone used to joke and tell me I spent more time behind the school then inside the building...
Congratulations on your job offer, would be lying if I said I wasn't extraordinarily jealous! I guess thats what I get for slacking in High School
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: treeoflife on August 11, 2011, 22:45:56
In what way is the Infantry competitive? I mean, how specifically would one be a competitive applicant? I'm asking this as a highschool student going into grade 12.

At this specific point in time, you would not likely be a competitive applicant due to your level of education.  That is, unless you are doing an extraordinary amount of volunteer work, sports, holding down a job, etc.  Basically, anything that "bumps up" your resume is going to make you more competitive (education, work experience, volunteer work/community involvement, sports/fitness), coupled with your aptitude test score, and how you do on the interview. 
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Romanmaz on August 11, 2011, 23:32:50
At this specific point in time, you would not likely be a competitive applicant due to your level of education.  That is, unless you are doing an extraordinary amount of volunteer work, sports, holding down a job, etc.  Basically, anything that "bumps up" your resume is going to make you more competitive (education, work experience, volunteer work/community involvement, sports/fitness), coupled with your aptitude test score, and how you do on the interview.
http://youtu.be/WkayCY5paMM (http://youtu.be/WkayCY5paMM)
 HAHAHA I had too, stay in school!
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: OsoVega on August 12, 2011, 03:43:43
At this specific point in time, you would not likely be a competitive applicant due to your level of education.  That is, unless you are doing an extraordinary amount of volunteer work, sports, holding down a job, etc.  Basically, anything that "bumps up" your resume is going to make you more competitive (education, work experience, volunteer work/community involvement, sports/fitness), coupled with your aptitude test score, and how you do on the interview.
I'm not looking to apply until I graduate. Are you referring specifically to only having a grade 11 or only having a high school education in general?
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: treeoflife on August 13, 2011, 23:11:45
High school education in general.  If you're lucky, the level of competitiveness will go down by the time you're ready to apply. 
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: cbaisley on August 22, 2011, 07:18:53
Reading this is very disheartening... I'm in the RCMP currently, and come from a long military family.  Only reason I joined the RCMP was because there was a big hiring push a few years back, and it seemed like a good choice.  Its a great job, no doubt, but I'm slowly coming to realize its not what I want to be doing, and I should have went CF.  I hadn't even realized that Infantry.. anywhere.. wouldn't be hiring, it just seems like the quintessential career for an Army man.

I have my package all filled out.. If I drop it off at a recruiter... will they just hang on to it until Infantry opens up again? or will they outright refuse to accept the App.  I'm sure I'll find that out on my own anyway...

Here's to hoping it opens back up
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Romanmaz on August 22, 2011, 12:49:47
Reading this is very disheartening... I'm in the RCMP currently, and come from a long military family.  Only reason I joined the RCMP was because there was a big hiring push a few years back, and it seemed like a good choice.  Its a great job, no doubt, but I'm slowly coming to realize its not what I want to be doing, and I should have went CF.  I hadn't even realized that Infantry.. anywhere.. wouldn't be hiring, it just seems like the quintessential career for an Army man.

I have my package all filled out.. If I drop it off at a recruiter... will they just hang on to it until Infantry opens up again? or will they outright refuse to accept the App.  I'm sure I'll find that out on my own anyway...

Here's to hoping it opens back up
I'm sure with a background as a L.E.O. it will give you a definite level of competitiveness over applicants for next years selection. As to your question about whether or not they will even accept your applications,  it seems to differ greatly depending on the RC and staff you talk to. Some might take it others will tell you to come closer to next April's recruiting year. It does say they are still accepting applications on the website but from what I've heard Infantry is full and many peoples applications are being stopped mid process.
Good luck!
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: GhostofJacK on August 22, 2011, 12:54:53
@cbaisley

Good on you for being RCMP. When they say 'infantry is closed' it's not that they close the entire trade 100%. There is still even the most minute of streams that are trickled in to sustain natural attrition rates. I do believe (I am not in the recruiting process mind you) that when you drop off your app they will process it and you are put on a waiting list after it is processed. You are merit listed based on your app and that list still trickles in based on your order.

Don't be disheartened by this board. You have a (govt) job and will continue with that as I believe. Logically speaking, from my own thinkings, two courses may happen:

1) Since you are RCMP, the background check may be expediated due to you already have gone through it

2) You are in the RCMP, another federal branch and therefore transferring your paperwork will be a tad more complicated and thus take a little longer

I personally don't know much about RCMP transfers in so my opinion is worth as much as the Italian Lira. The only thing I can say is that you can't let things like this dishearten you. You say you are from a long military family, so show that you have drive to be in. You should want this enough that it shows externally. If this gets you down now, then when you make it in, it will just be worse. Being told you are on tour but finding out you aren't at the last second, being told you are a good candidate for a course but you miss being put on the course, failing selection, etc; these are all disheartening things that the infantry deal with normally. Like with my peers and subordinates, I respect them that much more when they get they shaft but keep on trucking until their next kick at the can arises.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Jarnhamar on August 22, 2011, 18:43:56
I've sat in my office and had a troop call recruiting and they told him everything was closed except geotech musician and some crazy navy trade.
I called the same recruiting center 15 minuites later and was told theres about 12 to 14 trades open.

If it's in your capacity to do so, go to the recruiting center in person and ask what's open and what's closed.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: TSpoon on April 14, 2012, 22:47:35
Hi everyone, I've searched through other forums hoping to find an answer but all the threads I found had to do with SAR, Cooks or some form of engineers getting college diplomas. Right now I'm planning on taking a year off next year(after highschool) to work before applying to the forces as an infantry soldier.Basically my question is this : Would having a college certificate in Leadership studies ( one year course) help to better my chances of being offered a job.I know it's not specific to infantry as say a Paramedic program is to Med Techs but seeing as I'm not doing much next year anyways I thought it might be worth it.Thanks in advance for any insight. :cdn:
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Sythen on April 14, 2012, 23:05:13
I would imagine any schooling would be a good thing, but I can't imagine (and his is only my opinion) that it would make a huge difference when it comes to whether you get a job or not. I'd imagine spending the year volunteering would be just as useful, won't really cost you anything and it helps others in the mean time.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Delaney1986 on April 15, 2012, 06:43:43
There's no way that could hurt you in the long run. However, I would maybe do like the above poster suggested and get into some volunteer work or play some sports, you know, to demonstrate that you can apply leadership skills and not just learn about them.

Good Luck!!  :)
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Snaketnk on April 15, 2012, 08:41:37
I'm heard rumours that because the infantry is so competitive now, all the guys getting in have some form of post-secondary degree.

Take that for what it's worth.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: mmmjon on April 15, 2012, 09:03:43
I'm heard rumours that because the infantry is so competitive now, all the guys getting in have some form of post-secondary degree.

Take that for what it's worth.

And it will remain a rumour. I know a few guys that were just offered Infantry with absolutely no post secondary education.

As for you, TSpoon, anything to improve yourself/your resume is a good thing. If you are interested in taking that course, take it. It can't hurt.

Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: TSpoon on April 15, 2012, 10:57:43
Thanks for all the replies everyone. I was plthinking about continuing to volunteer on te side anyways but now I definately will.Right now I've got about 120 hrs and I'd like to get that up to atleast 200+ before I apply.Thanks again. :cdn:
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Haggis on April 15, 2012, 15:36:48
My suggestion would be to look beyond simply leadership courses - you'll get plenty of that in the CF - and look at courses that are part of a Diploma in Military Arts and Sciences (DMASc) program.  DMASc courses will help you in the long run and some can lead to accreditation by RMC towards a degree.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: TSpoon on April 15, 2012, 16:00:05
My suggestion would be to look beyond simply leadership courses - you'll get plenty of that in the CF - and look at courses that are part of a Diploma in Military Arts and Sciences (DMASc) program.  DMASc courses will help you in the long run and some can lead to accreditation by RMC towards a degree.

Thanks for the suggestion.I just did a quick search and it looks as if Seneca College has such a program in partnership with RMC.It says in the course description it's meant for current NCM's but that it is open to the public aswell.This also seems like a very good option but I wouldn't want to look like to much of a Keen-er come application time.Although now that I think of it, that's probably exactly the kind of people they're looking for. :cdn:
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: jeffb on April 15, 2012, 19:06:18
My suggestion would be to look beyond simply leadership courses - you'll get plenty of that in the CF - and look at courses that are part of a Diploma in Military Arts and Sciences (DMASc) program.  DMASc courses will help you in the long run and some can lead to accreditation by RMC towards a degree.

Further to that, how about thinking longer term and going to school for something that may not be directly related to employment as an infanteer? People get hurt, loose interest or for whatever reason end up leaving the CF. Having a diploma in something that you could fall back on would not hurt your chances for getting into the CF and would set you up with a plan B in case things don't work out. There are also programs that might qualify you for other trades within the CF in case you decided you want to do an occupational transfer at some point. Going to school is easy when you are 18, when you get married, have kids and a mortgage to pay, it can be very difficult to upgrade your academic credentials.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Jarnhamar on April 15, 2012, 22:33:24
Would having a college certificate in Leadership studies ( one year course) help to better my chances of being offered a job.

No. Having a highschool diploma and  passing your aptitude test, passing your medical, not having any administrative problems and being lucky enough not to have your paperwork lost will get you picked just as easily as having a masters in physics and speaking 5 languages.

So many people change their mind or quit or get hurt between being off the street and finishing their trade course that it's a waste of time for recruiting to sit down and put everyone in a pecking order for who gets put on course.

Being as "competitive" as possible means you'll do better on course and both in the military and throughout your life.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: agc on April 15, 2012, 22:45:23
No. Having a highschool diploma and  passing your aptitude test, passing your medical, not having any administrative problems and being lucky enough not to have your paperwork lost will get you picked just as easily as having a masters in physics and speaking 5 languages.

So many people change their mind or quit or get hurt between being off the street and finishing their trade course that it's a waste of time for recruiting to sit down and put everyone in a pecking order for who gets put on course.

Being as "competitive" as possible means you'll do better on course and both in the military and throughout your life.

This isn't sound advice.

TSpoon, all other things being equal, yes you will have a better shot if you upgrade your education.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Jarnhamar on April 15, 2012, 23:09:41
So if CF recruiting will hire someone with a college degree over someone without does that mean they will also hire combat veterans from Afghanistan who already have basic training, trade training, specialty courses all their equipment and are physically fit over someone from the street?

You'll have a better shot at life if you upgrade your education. IMO it doesn't increase someones chances at getting picked.

I've love to say getting into the CF is very competitive and only the best of the best will make it..
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: agc on April 15, 2012, 23:26:34
You'll have a better shot at life if you upgrade your education.

CF recruiting school doesn't pick someone with a college degree over someone without.

CF recruiting center process's applications.  They've pumped people through who have been unable to write their own name or who have passed the aptitude test because they guessed through the aptitude test and got lucky.

I've love to say getting into the CF is very competitive and only the best of the best will make it..

The recruit school doesn't pick anyone. They take the recruits they get. Right now it's competitive to get an interview let alone an offer in many trades. Education is one way an applicant can distinguish him or her self.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Jarnhamar on April 15, 2012, 23:38:05
I'll look into it and retract my comment if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: jwtg on April 15, 2012, 23:47:03
The way it was explained to me during my application process was that each candidate is merit listed in order of a score that is calculated based on a lot of things, and one of the factors in that 'score' is education.  Doesn't it stand to reason that more education = better score?

Also, the vibe I'm getting (and I could be wrong) from ObedientiaZelum is that we might be expressing a preference for education over character traits/important qualities of a good recruit.  I don't think that's the case.  I think we're simply saying that more education = better score.  Certainly doesn't erase the need for those intangible qualities you mentioned.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Trick on April 16, 2012, 01:50:58
The way it was explained to me during my application process was that each candidate is merit listed in order of a score that is calculated based on a lot of things, and one of the factors in that 'score' is education.  Doesn't it stand to reason that more education = better score?

Also, the vibe I'm getting (and I could be wrong) from ObedientiaZelum is that we might be expressing a preference for education over character traits/important qualities of a good recruit.  I don't think that's the case.  I think we're simply saying that more education = better score.  Certainly doesn't erase the need for those intangible qualities you mentioned.

I agree. Being the right type of person for the job is the most important. Degrees won't get you the job, nor will memorizing every unit/weapon in the CF or your year in Krakow learning Polish. What these seemingly irrelevant things will help with though is separating you from the all the other right people. Your pursuit of education can show a lot about who you are, even if you never speak a word of that Polish in your entire CF career. Now I'm not a recruiter, but I'd venture a guess that between two applicants with all other things being equal, they'll take the one with a better academic history. The bottom line is that improving your credentials DOES make you a more attractive candidate than someone who's been flipping burgers for 3 years instead. I don't mean to sound elitist, but that's life.

I would also echo the others and say to study something that you're interested in outside of a military context. Maybe that is military history. Or maybe it's German, or chemistry, or tool making. It will give you something to fall back on if for any reason you find yourself out of the forces. Studying something you're genuinely interested in will also help you do well- improving your chances of getting in. Generally speaking, anything the CF will NEED you to know, the CF will teach you. I wouldn't be worried about taking things like Leadership courses in college. In terms of an application, I'd imagine volunteer experience that demonstrates leadership would probably be even more desirable.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: TSpoon on April 16, 2012, 17:57:39
I agree. Being the right type of person for the job is the most important. Degrees won't get you the job, nor will memorizing every unit/weapon in the CF or your year in Krakow learning Polish. What these seemingly irrelevant things will help with though is separating you from the all the other right people. Your pursuit of education can show a lot about who you are, even if you never speak a word of that Polish in your entire CF career. Now I'm not a recruiter, but I'd venture a guess that between two applicants with all other things being equal, they'll take the one with a better academic history. The bottom line is that improving your credentials DOES make you a more attractive candidate than someone who's been flipping burgers for 3 years instead. I don't mean to sound elitist, but that's life.

I would also echo the others and say to study something that you're interested in outside of a military context. Maybe that is military history. Or maybe it's German, or chemistry, or tool making. It will give you something to fall back on if for any reason you find yourself out of the forces. Studying something you're genuinely interested in will also help you do well- improving your chances of getting in. Generally speaking, anything the CF will NEED you to know, the CF will teach you. I wouldn't be worried about taking things like Leadership courses in college. In terms of an application, I'd imagine volunteer experience that demonstrates leadership would probably be even more desirable.


Thanks for everyone's replies

Being a more attractive candidate is precisely why I wanted to improve my education credentials, just in case it comes down to me and someone else with a similar application.I've also decided to volunteer with habitat for humanity throughout the course of next year to get more hours. Thanks again for everyone's replies :cdn:
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: matthew1786 on April 16, 2012, 18:26:19

Thanks for everyone's replies

Being a more attractive candidate is precisely why I wanted to improve my education credentials, just in case it comes down to me and someone else with a similar application.I've also decided to volunteer with habitat for humanity throughout the course of next year to get more hours. Thanks again for everyone's replies :cdn:

That's great! I'm sure that your volunteer experience will resonate just as much as a strong education. Keep it up!
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: TSpoon on April 16, 2012, 19:06:43
That's great! I'm sure that your volunteer experience will resonate just as much as a strong education. Keep it up!

Thanks alot!!! At first I thought that I'd help out with some builds around the city but now I've started looking into going to either Mongolia or Africa someplace to help biuld houses over there. It looks like a lot of fun regardless of how it might help with the application process. :cdn:
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: kutchie on October 09, 2012, 20:12:40
Hey guys and gals, after a very long wait, I finally got a call back from a warrant officer to come in and have a face to face with them for what trade i want to go into for the canadian armed forces. Ultimately I chose Infantry for many reasons, The recruiter at this time (keep in mind this was today....October.9th/2012) told me that infantry is not hiring at the moment, when i asked him when approx they would be hiring again for a better understanding of when to re apply he was as clueless as i was replying "maybe next year....maybe longer" and shrugged his shoulders. This DOES NOT help me at all and for someone who has been tryin to get in for a very long time i'm gettin vey frusterated and almost ready to turn the other way. That being said is there ANYONE who maybe has some inside info or info of there own as to when infantry for canadian armed forces (Toronto prefferably thats where i live) will be hiring or accepting applications again? OR do i need to just re apply again and play the waiting game again and hope i get a call back......is this all worth it? any suggestions would help ESPECIALLY in regards to an approx date to re apply. Thanks alot. Chris
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Brihard on October 09, 2012, 20:25:21
Soemtimes someone tells you 'no' and they simply mean exactly that.

We are not hiring off the street for regular force infantry. We will at some point in the future, but do not as of yet know when. Why is that hard to wrap your head around? You can choose to walk away from it if you wish; rest assured it will make zero difference to the CF, and another applicant who is more patient may get a spot instead. Rest assured that if you choose not to call once a month between now and when it reopens, others will be.

Infantry will resume hiring when the Canadian Forces need more people to join as infantry applicants. Not before. When it does, those who have remained in touch with the recruiters will be told as much and they will begin their process.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: aesop081 on October 10, 2012, 01:02:05
This DOES NOT help me at all

Sorry but that is the best answer you will get at this time.


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and for someone who has been tryin to get in for a very long time i'm gettin vey frusterated and almost ready to turn the other way. 

Go the other way. We won't take it personally.


 
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(Toronto prefferably thats where i live)

You won't be a regular force infantryman in Toronto.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: kutchie on October 10, 2012, 01:45:26
well...good to know theres alot of smartasses on here...first of all its a feeling i had of dissapointment which u all have felt before so dont act like you havent...secondly  i know i cant be an infantryman IN toronto but the recruitment of which my process would be started would be in toronto where i was today.....and 3rd who said i wasnt going to call once a month to see if there was an opening? my question was if anyone had any info or could help not talk down to me like i'm a child as i'm sure u've both been in this position before but i'm sure its easy to make other as myself who really really want this seem adn sound like an idiot when ur already living your dream....thanks for the help i expected alot more out of our so called "soldiers"
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: PrairieThunder on October 10, 2012, 02:00:20
The Canadian Forces is a professional organization, to start, try using spell check and improving your English literary skills to avoid people from pulling out their hair trying to read the abomination you just posted.

Secondly, the Warrant Officer at the Recruiting Centre told you "We're not hiring Infantry. We're not hiring any time soon or anywhere in the near future." That's your answer, deal with it. It's not going to change by coming here and complaining. If you're dying to get in, choose another trade that has openings and appeals to you or join the Reserves (pending available positions) or ask to speak to another Recruiter..

Thirdly, the people here are much wiser than you (and myself mind you as I'm not even at a year of service) and they are giving you the answer as blunt and simple as possible. Nobody is talking down to you like a child, you just can't seem to take an answer when it's given.

You're not the only one that has had to wait.

Infantry Regiments are as follows:

Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry: 1st, 3rd battalions - Edmonton, AB; 2nd Bn - Shilo MB
The Royal Canadian Regiment: 1st, 3rd Bns - Petawawa ON; 2nd Bn - Gagetown NB; 4th Bn - London ON (Reserve)
The Royal 22nd Regiment (Francophone): 1st, 3rd Bns - Valcartier QC; 2nd Bn - Quebec City QC; 4th Bn - Laval QC (Reserve); 6th Bn - Saint-Hyacinthe, QC (Reserve)

If you are given the selection of regiment, you may select one of three, however you do not get to select which battalion you are posted to.

If you're going to be carrying around a pompous "holier-than-thou" attitude, addressing SERVING members and VETERANS as "Smartasses" and insulting them by sarcastically saying "soldiers" then A) Don't bother coming here B) don't bother joining the CF... or C) Join the CF and see how fast you're told told to sort your **** out.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Journeyman on October 10, 2012, 02:11:39
Actually, the Infantry is hiring about 100 soldiers this week alone.
I suspect that the Recruiting Warrant Officer told you otherwise because he's not allowed to come right out and say, "we don't want a self-centred, illiterate whiner."




It's not my fault Mods.
This never would have happened if this had been posted in the Recruiting threads where it could be ignored!    :nod:



Edit: Thanks for moving the thread.  ;D
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: SharkmanSIX on October 10, 2012, 02:20:43
well...good to know theres alot of smartasses on here...first of all its a feeling i had of dissapointment which u all have felt before so dont act like you havent...secondly  i know i cant be an infantryman IN toronto but the recruitment of which my process would be started would be in toronto where i was today.....and 3rd who said i wasnt going to call once a month to see if there was an opening? my question was if anyone had any info or could help not talk down to me like i'm a child as i'm sure u've both been in this position before but i'm sure its easy to make other as myself who really really want this seem adn sound like an idiot when ur already living your dream....thanks for the help i expected alot more out of our so called "soldiers"

Those 'smartass' responses you refer to are actually trying to help you. They aren't sugar coating the reality of application process with the CF. Its competitive, there are many applicants, there aren't a lot of spots, especially for combat trades.
Those 'smartass' responses are also in response to your sense of entitlement. Threatening to turn your back on the Forces comes across as quite condescending.

If the Infantry in reg force is what you want, then you will have a long wait, as the recruiter told you. If its TRULY what you want, it won't feel as long as it does now. It will feel even shorter if you choose to use that time to better yourself.

Good luck, and if I were you, I'd appreciate what some of these people have said. It will do you a heck of a lot better then someone who gives you false hope.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: davidc538 on October 10, 2012, 04:27:06
I suspect that the Recruiting Warrant Officer told you otherwise because he's not allowed to come right out and say, "we don't want a self-centred, illiterate whiner."

ftw!
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Goodeman on October 10, 2012, 08:45:38
Get in line buddy.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: kutchie on October 10, 2012, 10:11:13
its funny because every argument in here is stating that I cant take NO as an answer or cant wrap my head around the fact that the recruiter said no there not hiring....go back and read my post...I asked WHEN they would be hiring and the recruiter shrugged his shoulders being just as confused as I am and said maybe next year i dont know....therefore as i said it was of no help to me at all and as a recruiter I would think he would have more knowledge of the recruiting side of things and when possible openings would be instead of shrugging and saying ahh i dont know....I couldve sat in that chair and told someone the same thing....thats what i'm getting at and thats why i came on here to seek help and possible info...seems like no one here has ever heard the term "give what you get" all i'm doing is giving the exact same respect and remarks i've been given since posting this...plain and simple higher rank or not none of you are the ones i'm having to be directed under or report to....so i'm giving back exactly what i got...once again thank you I wish all of you the best of luck,wealth and safety.....i'm just trying to capture the dream too and hopefully get some help along the way which obviously wont come from anyone here..(thank you sharkmansix)
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: HappyWithYourHacky on October 10, 2012, 10:23:00
its funny because every argument in here is stating that I cant take NO as an answer or cant wrap my head around the fact that the recruiter said no there not hiring....go back and read my post...I asked WHEN they would be hiring and the recruiter shrugged his shoulders being just as confused as I am and said maybe next year i dont know....therefore as i said it was of no help to me at all and as a recruiter I would think he would have more knowledge of the recruiting side of things and when possible openings would be instead of shrugging and saying ahh i dont know....I couldve sat in that chair and told someone the same thing....thats what i'm getting at and thats why i came on here to seek help and possible info...seems like no one here has ever heard the term "give what you get" all i'm doing is giving the exact same respect and remarks i've been given since posting this...plain and simple higher rank or not none of you are the ones i'm having to be directed under or report to....so i'm giving back exactly what i got...once again thank you I wish all of you the best of luck,wealth and safety.....i'm just trying to capture the dream too and hopefully get some help along the way which obviously wont come from anyone here..(thank you sharkmansix)

It is impossible for a recruiter to predict future needs of any trade. If he/she says they don't know, then they don't know.

Also, I have spent a good deal of my career in the Infantry (PPCLI), so here is a piece of advice. Lose the attitude...they will eat you alive. That is of course if you get in.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: MikeL on October 10, 2012, 10:27:31
As the other points have been touched on by other members I'll just get to your question.


If the Infantry is full,  you will have to wait(minimum) until the new fiscal year(April) and go from there.  If there are others ahead of you then you can be waiting longer.  Also,  start putting words in sentences,  use puncuation, etc  Very hard to read what you are trying to say.


Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: exCAFguy on October 10, 2012, 10:43:16
plain and simple higher rank or not none of you are the ones i'm having to be directed under or report to....so i'm giving back exactly what i got...once again thank you I wish all of you the best of luck,wealth and safety.....i'm just trying to capture the dream too and hopefully get some help along the way which obviously wont come from anyone here..(thank you sharkmansix)

There's 2 things you will find if you join the military that related to this right here.

1) It doesn't matter if a higher rank is your direct supervisor or not....you do what they say
2) The CF is not a hand holding organization...you want compliments, assistance with trivial things, and to otherwise hear happy comments all the time...give your mom a call.

If you take remarks and comments like have been posted above so personally.....you're going to have a rough time on BMQ and an even rougher time at Battle School.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Eaglelord17 on October 10, 2012, 11:49:33
Recruiters cannot predict when something is going to be available. For example I can tell you in 1989 the Infantry was hiring. When Afghanistan started the Infantry was hiring. In 2010-2012 the Infantry has very limited spaces for hiring due to a already overstrength trade and the trade becoming very attractive to many civilians. There is more to the military than Infantry. If you look you will find out Artillery does a lot of infantry stuff as well and so does Combat Engineers though in both cases they do a lot more than ruck march and dig trenches  ;D. Best of Luck getting in but to stand a decent chance at the moment you need to have a very strong application.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Athena1 on October 11, 2012, 09:48:05


Infantry Regiments are as follows:

Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry: 1st, 3rd battalions - Edmonton, AB; 2nd Bn - Shilo MB
The Royal Canadian Regiment: 1st, 3rd Bns - Petawawa ON; 2nd Bn - Gagetown NB; 4th Bn - London ON (Reserve)
The Royal 22nd Regiment (Francophone): 1st, 3rd Bns - Valcartier QC; 2nd Bn - Quebec City QC; 4th Bn - Laval QC (Reserve); 6th Bn - Saint-Hyacinthe, QC (Reserve)

If you are given the selection of regiment, you may select one of three, however you do not get to select which battalion you are posted to.


Hi All,

Sorry to go a bit off topic here, but I have a question about the selections of regiment.
To make a long story short my husband is currently in BMQ which as im sure you all know restricts the phone calls or at least he has restrictions. When he was sworn in it was for PPCLI 1st Battalion.
In order to be closer to me and make things a lot easier on us he was thinking about asking for a transfer to Petawawa, same trade just different location. Once he got to BMQ he was told that he wasn't assigned to any location and wouldn't know where he was going until he completed BMQ.
Now im confused why would they make him sign for PPCLI in Edmonton then say that? Was it just to get him a spot at basic? Can any one explain this since I can't really talk to my husband about it.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: MikeL on October 11, 2012, 10:04:46
When he was sworn in it was for PPCLI 1st Battalion.

Battalions aren't picked at the recruiting centre,  he would have been offered a position for PPCLI.  He would find out which Battalion he is going to during DP1.

In order to be closer to me and make things a lot easier on us he was thinking about asking for a transfer to Petawawa, same trade just different location. Once he got to BMQ he was told that he wasn't assigned to any location and wouldn't know where he was going until he completed BMQ.
Now im confused why would they make him sign for PPCLI in Edmonton then say that? Was it just to get him a spot at basic? Can any one explain this since I can't really talk to my husband about it. 

Like I posted above he would have been offered a position just for the Regiment,  not a Battalion or base.  CFLRS also has no say on where he ends up being posted.  Once your husband completes BMQ he would most likely be sent to Wainwright, Alberta for his DP1 training.  If he wants to go RCR he will have to talk to his CoC there and go about the process to change if possible.  Also,  if he is able to switch from PPCLI to The RCR it doesn't mean he will end up in Petawawa,  he could just as easily be sent to 2RCR in Gagetown, NB.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Timberwolf on October 11, 2012, 11:12:25
Actually, the Infantry is hiring about 100 soldiers this week alone.
I suspect that the Recruiting Warrant Officer told you otherwise because he's not allowed to come right out and say, "we don't want a self-centred, illiterate whiner."




It's not my fault Mods.
This never would have happened if this had been posted in the Recruiting threads where it could be ignored!    :nod:



Edit: Thanks for moving the thread.  ;D

60 positions as of last week, Oct 4th (according to my recruiter) as I am awaiting a call for one of those positions   :)

After this last selection has been made, all positions will be filled for this fiscal year, I am told. So the next wave of selection would not be until the start of the new fiscal year (April 2013) but even then it's not guaranteed that they will need to hire more.

PPCLI is the only regiment looking for new recruits at the moment.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Tow Tripod on October 11, 2012, 11:59:11
The PPCLI will be looking for recruits because currently the Battalions are almost empty. I know that two course will be coming to :salute: 1PPCLI in December and Mid January. If they all have the same great attitude as the Klutcher their first engagement will be a long ordeal.
As for living the dream you can say hello to Wainwright and Suffield from mid March to Mid June because the battalion will be on the "Road to High Readiness' So what does that mean? It means alot of ARMY Training,Sir!!!! :salute:
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: PPCLI Guy on October 11, 2012, 12:02:30
PPCLI is the only regiment looking for new recruits at the moment.

The Strategic Intake Plan has been adjusted this year and next in favour of the PPCLI to try and rectify the current strength imbalance between the three Regiments, so odds are that most who get in this year and next will end up as Patricias.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Loachman on October 11, 2012, 13:55:10
go back and read my post...

No, I won't. Nor will I read anymore of the one that I pulled this demand from. It's too painful.

You were advised to improve your literacy skills. I would suggest that you do so. We expect a higher standard of communication, written and verbal, in the CF. Lives, expensive equipment, and mission success depend upon it. Use proper sentence structure, capitalization, punctuation, and spelling and drop the MSN-speak if you (not "u") wish to carry on a decent conversation here.

As for the responses that you have received so far, some people have no difficulties when they join and first post on this Site, and some have a bunch, as you have.

We respond to the presentation of the poster. Writing decently will improve your experience considerably. Try it.

Understanding decently will help, as well. As it has been explained, first by your recruiter and a few people here, we cannot predict when applications for Infantry will occur. There are too many factors involved. Asking the same question over and over won't get you a different answer, and expecting one merely makes the person posing the question (you) look like a fool.

Patience is a virtue, especially in a military organization. Persistence is usually a good thing, too, especially in conjunction with patience.

We're not big on mushy, warm-and-fuzzy feelings here, and not too many people know the words to Kumbaya. You won't get any sugar-coated answers.

Now, go and get your Teddy from the corner in which you threw him, and carry on. Your success in the CF and on this Site is up to no-one other than you.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Hatchet Man on October 11, 2012, 15:42:41
Don't really want to add to the dog pile but....the only WO who work's at CFRC Det Toronto is the liason for the reserve units and 32 Brigade.  He doesn't deal with people applying to the Regular force....so who exactly did you speak to.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: kw5259 on October 11, 2012, 16:17:41
The Strategic Intake Plan has been adjusted this year and next in favour of the PPCLI to try and rectify the current strength imbalance between the three Regiments, so odds are that most who get in this year and next will end up as Patricias.

Does this apply to officers?
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Goodeman on October 11, 2012, 21:16:49
So for those 60 spots that are left, are they only going to go to people who have been merit listed?
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: PPCLI Guy on October 11, 2012, 21:38:04
Does this apply to officers?

No - NCMs only. All three Infantry Regiments are currently chock-a-block with junior officers, and it is likely that the 1/3 rule will still apply for those still going through the system.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Danjanou on October 11, 2012, 22:14:09
Ok Skippy ooops I meant kuthcie. These guys are hiring Infantry. http://www.legion-recrute.com/
Good news whiny illiterate cry babies go to the head of the line. Bad news they're not in Toronto, best I could do sorry  8)


PPCLI Guy maybe a couple of more really good mess dinners would solve that subaltern surplus?
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Allgunzblazing on October 11, 2012, 23:43:24
Danjanou,

By referring to the French Foreign Legion, you've made a very good suggestion. This is something something I had seriously considered, but then I got married  :P.

To the OP, if you REALLY want to be an infanteer then the Legion could be an option. You wont be serving the Crown and Canada. There are some more pros and cons and it is for you to weigh them.

As for joining the Canadian Army, the WO tried to help you as best as he could given the info that was currently with the RC. What will be your recaction if he/ she had told you that "there will be many openings in the new fiscal", and come April, 2013 Infantry is still closed.

I hope this helps.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: kw5259 on October 12, 2012, 01:14:10
No - NCMs only. All three Infantry Regiments are currently chock-a-block with junior officers, and it is likely that the 1/3 rule will still apply for those still going through the system.

hmm looks like by the time I finish DP 1.2 I'll be one of those undesired commissioned privates :-\... marvelous.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Athena1 on October 12, 2012, 08:56:39
Battalions aren't picked at the recruiting centre,  he would have been offered a position for PPCLI.  He would find out which Battalion he is going to during DP1.

Like I posted above he would have been offered a position just for the Regiment,  not a Battalion or base.  CFLRS also has no say on where he ends up being posted.  Once your husband completes BMQ he would most likely be sent to Wainwright, Alberta for his DP1 training.  If he wants to go RCR he will have to talk to his CoC there and go about the process to change if possible.  Also,  if he is able to switch from PPCLI to The RCR it doesn't mean he will end up in Petawawa,  he could just as easily be sent to 2RCR in Gagetown, NB.

Thanks for the Reply Skeletor :) The recruiting centre specifically told him his offer was for Edmonton. They told him if you dont want this location you can ask for a transfer later on, no guarantees if you get it or not or the time frame. I know he'll go to various locations until he is done his training and actually get posted to a location. Would you know if they tell you what battallion you are going to go to after BMQ or after all the training you do after BMQ?
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: MikeL on October 12, 2012, 09:02:38
Thanks for the Reply Skeletor :) The recruiting centre specifically told him his offer was for Edmonton.

Was that written anywhere in his paperwork?  I haven't heard of a CFRC telling people where they would be posted after their training.

Would you know if they tell you what battallion you are going to go to after BMQ or after all the training you do after BMQ?

He would find out what battalion he is going to during his DP1(Infantry trade course). 
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: ArmyVern on October 12, 2012, 10:06:49
hmm looks like by the time I finish DP 1.2 I'll be one of those undesired commissioned privates :-\... marvelous.

Please clarify what you mean with this statement ... are you stating that you'll be a commissioned officer, but undersired?

Or are you implying, by the use of the rank "private", that you'll be stuck doing menial, undesireable, and useless tasks? That this is beneath you?

If the later, I've known many an awesome private who did outstanding, meaningful and critical work. As most do and frankly, your statement is offensive and you obviously have a whole lot to learn about where the backbone in this outfit lies.  Good luck gaining the respect of your subordinates and inspiring them to perform for you with an attitude like that.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Athena1 on October 12, 2012, 10:09:41
Was that written anywhere in his paperwork?  I haven't heard of a CFRC telling people where they would be posted after their training.

He would find out what battalion he is going to during his DP1(Infantry trade course).

I remember PPCLI on there and im pretty sure it said Edmonton as well I could be wrong though, I honestly can't remember. Either way you have to go with what you are told and if the last thing he heard he wasn't assigned to anyone then thats what you have to go with. All this stuff is just so confusing I was all set to look for jobs out in Edmonton and now that's all on hold until I know where he is going.

Thanks for clearing some things up its appreciated :)
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: kw5259 on October 12, 2012, 12:07:01
Please clarify what you mean with this statement ... are you stating that you'll be a commissioned officer, but undersired?

Or are you implying, by the use of the rank "private", that you'll be stuck doing menial, undesireable, and useless tasks? That this is beneath you?

If the later, I've known many an awesome private who did outstanding, meaningful and critical work. As most do and frankly, your statement is offensive and you obviously have a whole lot to learn about where the backbone in this outfit lies.  Good luck gaining the respect of your subordinates and inspiring them to perform for you with an attitude like that.

Absolutely meant no offence to privates or any NCM. I was referring to the fact that the regiments are already filled with junior officers and I'll just be another clueless new LT (hence, commissioned private) some of you guys will have to deal with. My apologies for any misunderstandings.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: PPCLI Guy on October 12, 2012, 12:25:31
I remember PPCLI on there and im pretty sure it said Edmonton as well I could be wrong though, I honestly can't remember. Either way you have to go with what you are told and if the last thing he heard he wasn't assigned to anyone then thats what you have to go with. All this stuff is just so confusing I was all set to look for jobs out in Edmonton and now that's all on hold until I know where he is going.

Thanks for clearing some things up its appreciated :)

The allocations of DP1s until April 2013 is just being finalised.  If he is on BMQ now, then he will b on a Jan DP1, which means he will likely be going to the Third Battalion in Edmonton.  I would go ahead and look at Edmonton jobs if I were you...
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Bzzliteyr on October 12, 2012, 12:31:34
The allocations of DP1s until April 2013 is just being finalised.  If he is on BMQ now, then he will b on a Jan DP1, which means he will likely be going to the Third Battalion in Edmonton.  I would go ahead and look at Edmonton jobs if I were you...

Back to being serious: I would recommend actually waiting until a posting is finalized before you get anything set in stone job-wise if you can avoid it.  I speak personally that (many many) years ago, I was slated to get posted to Calgary for the length of my course until one guy on the follow on franco course was injured and dropped.  I was then posted to Valcartier with two weeks left to go.

Until a posting message is drafted after/during his DP1 you really have no confirmation of anything.  What if he gets hurt and is returned home?  Is released for any reason?  I'm not saying don't do some searching, but just don't commit to anything.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Dimsum on October 12, 2012, 18:33:59
Absolutely meant no offence to privates or any NCM. I was referring to the fact that the regiments are already filled with junior officers and I'll just be another clueless new LT (hence, commissioned private) some of you guys will have to deal with. My apologies for any misunderstandings.

It's not a bad position to be in.  Ask for courses/taskings/etc.  I was waiting around and somehow got myself in Afghanistan and now OUTCAN because they didn't know what to do with me. 
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Brihard on October 12, 2012, 18:37:36
It's not a bad position to be in.  Ask for courses/taskings/etc.  I was waiting around and somehow got myself in Afghanistan and now OUTCAN because they didn't know what to do with me.

Particularly the courses thing- there's no shortage of courses out there, and a lot of guys in the regs are just friggin' tired after being run ragged for years. Someone who's fresh and keen to get trained on stuff will stand a good chance of landing a few things here and there to fill seats.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: milnews.ca on October 12, 2012, 21:33:04
All kidding aside, time for a bit of a clean-up - stand by....

Milnet.ca Staff
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Colin_deRosenroll on October 13, 2012, 12:38:43
Hello my name is Colin deRosenroll, I am a high school graduate. Both my parents have been in the military as officers their entire working lives. My mom as a nurse and my father as a communications officer (LCol). I believe this is the path for me and I am fully prepared to complete what training is required to become a Canadian Soldier. I have certifications from life guarding including CPR and first aid. I stay confident in extreme conditions; weather/outdoors, loud noise, emergencies, etc. I am at a very high level of physical fitness as I have been playing team sports my entire life. Nothing would make me more proud and satisfied than to serve my country that has given me a great start at life.

I am inquiring if there are specific things I should prepare before going to my recruitment center in Ottawa. Should I practice CFAT questions? Should I bring any personal documents? When is the best time to go in? Etc..

If you would either offer some insight or link to another post you thought was helpful I would be thankful.

Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: exCAFguy on October 13, 2012, 13:10:00
I can't offer many answers on bringing in documentation etc (I did...but now I hear you have to apply online so I have no idea these days)

The best advice I can give you for going into the recruiting centre is look professional, speak well, be friendly etc etc.

As for the best time to go?  I think you will find the hours that the recruiting centre is open will work best :)
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: ARMY_101 on October 13, 2012, 15:24:58
Hey guys and gals, after a very long wait, I finally got a call back from a warrant officer to come in and have a face to face with them for what trade i want to go into for the canadian armed forces. Ultimately I chose Infantry for many reasons, The recruiter at this time (keep in mind this was today....October.9th/2012) told me that infantry is not hiring at the moment, when i asked him when approx they would be hiring again for a better understanding of when to re apply he was as clueless as i was replying "maybe next year....maybe longer" and shrugged his shoulders. This DOES NOT help me at all and for someone who has been tryin to get in for a very long time i'm gettin vey frusterated and almost ready to turn the other way. That being said is there ANYONE who maybe has some inside info or info of there own as to when infantry for canadian armed forces (Toronto prefferably thats where i live) will be hiring or accepting applications again? OR do i need to just re apply again and play the waiting game again and hope i get a call back......is this all worth it? any suggestions would help ESPECIALLY in regards to an approx date to re apply. Thanks alot. Chris

Each year the Canadian Forces conducts a strategic intake plan (SIP). This determines how many people will be allowed to join each trade.  The SIP could determine the entire CF needs 2000 more infantry soldiers or 2. Or 0. The recruiter has given the best answer possible: could be now, could be later.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: milnews.ca on October 13, 2012, 15:29:35
Online Colin_deRosenroll - welcome!

1)  You don't need to bold/colourize your question - just like resumes, fancying things up TOO much draws the wrong kind of attention.

2)  "Search" can be your friend here - there's LOADS of information already here from people who have similar questions.  Here's a place to start (http://bit.ly/SSuIZ0).

3)  Ref #2, showing and taking initiative is a good thing to have going into any job, but more so in the CF. 

Good luck!

Milnet.ca Staff
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Loachman on October 13, 2012, 21:49:53
1)  You don't need to bold/colourize your question - just like resumes, fancying things up TOO much draws the wrong kind of attention.

Or gets you ignored.

That was too painful to read, so I just skipped down to the bottom to tell you what my colleague just did.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Colin_deRosenroll on October 14, 2012, 11:20:45
Thank you for the feedback RCDcpl, milnews.ca and Loachman
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: hagan_91 on November 15, 2012, 15:57:09
Any new info or updates?
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: hdhh24 on November 22, 2014, 21:55:07
So, i would really love to get into the forces and make it a career for the rest of my life but im not sure if they would accept me... my average in school is 81% and am graduating highschool, my math grade though is a 70 and my english a 75, i volunteer regularly and have put in many hours, and since Canada isnt in a time of war what does it take and what extra could i do to up my chances and what even are my chances? thank you 
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Ayrsayle on November 22, 2014, 22:00:16
Your chances are as good as the next guy.  What your chances are depend on what else goes on your application.  Were you trying to go Infantry Officer, or Infantryman?
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: hdhh24 on November 22, 2014, 22:04:12
infantryman, with grade 12 soon
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Ayrsayle on November 22, 2014, 22:15:59
Not a recruiter, but I'd recommend the following:

Finish highschool with the best marks you can.
Be as fit as you possibly can
Join a sports team or other athletic endeavour.
While you are waiting (and everyone does for a period of time), upgrade your school marks (either highschool or take other courses/programs).
Be willing to wait for 6 months to several years to see any results from your application - have a backup plan for the rest of your life.
Learn everything you possibly can about what life in the infantry is like.  This forum is an excellent place to find that information out.  You'll need it for your interview.

Outside of that, you'll need to get an application and roll the dice.  Contact your local CFRC and listen to their suggestions.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Treemoss on November 23, 2014, 16:11:04
Not a recruiter, but I'd recommend the following:

Finish highschool with the best marks you can.
Be as fit as you possibly can
Join a sports team or other athletic endeavour.
While you are waiting (and everyone does for a period of time), upgrade your school marks (either highschool or take other courses/programs).
Be willing to wait for 6 months to several years to see any results from your application - have a backup plan for the rest of your life.
Learn everything you possibly can about what life in the infantry is like.  This forum is an excellent place to find that information out.  You'll need it for your interview.

Outside of that, you'll need to get an application and roll the dice.  Contact your local CFRC and listen to their suggestions.

Going to add a bit onto this. Don't just upgrade your marks, consider a post-secondary education as well. The military loves educated people.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: KerryBlue on November 23, 2014, 16:34:42
Going to add a bit onto this. Don't just upgrade your marks, consider a post-secondary education as well. The military loves educated people.

I'll second that having a few years of uni done made my application that much more competitive.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: FortYorkRifleman on July 27, 2015, 23:55:24
Thought I'd kickstart this thread again as Infantry is hiring a lot this year and many members and guests are applying.

I was wondering if anyone can shed light on the current state of Regular Force Infantry? I'm curious as to where BMQ graduates are being sent to, how often DP 1 courses are run and anything else Infantry applicants/prospects should know
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: LPsOLB54 on December 08, 2015, 17:05:58
Hi, I'd like to have more information on these two professions.

I'm interested in both, but I'm looking for the one I can see real action and where I can train a lot. At first I was interested by the infantry officer position, but then I heard that during combat, they have to stay behind, for example if the soldiers have to go into a house. Is that true? In this case, I think I'd prefer going in with the boys... But is it only when you're clearing a house or is it whenever you're in contact with the enemy?

I'm also concerned about the administrative workload that the officer has to do... What does this look like?

On the other hand, I've heard that the infantry soldiers have a lot of time to train while they aren't deployed. Is this true? What would a typical week looks like? (for both infantry soldiers and infantry officers to make a comparison)

Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: mariomike on December 08, 2015, 17:09:32
What would a typical week looks like? (for both infantry soldiers and infantry officers to make a comparison)

Officer/NCM differences 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=171.0
22 pages.

Friendly Advice for potential Infantry Officer candidates 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=99437.0

Life as an Army officer 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,1155.msg12245.html#msg12245

Life as an Infantry Soldier?
http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,1897.150.html

Infantry
https://www.google.ca/search?q=site%3Aarmy.ca+infantry+soldier+officer&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-CA:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7GGHP_en-GBCA592&gfe_rd=cr&ei=kEZnVteXKKjd8geOmIHYBQ&gws_rd=ssl#q=site:army.ca+infantry+

Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Journeyman on December 08, 2015, 17:15:21
I'm also concerned about the administrative workload that the officer has to do... What does this look like?

(https://kodokanboston.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/shutterstock_37190596_crop380w.jpg)  You're welcome.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Danjanou on December 09, 2015, 11:37:57
(https://kodokanboston.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/shutterstock_37190596_crop380w.jpg)  You're welcome.

That pressing issued of what colour are the pips and crowns going to be just won't go away eh JM [Xp.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Journeyman on December 09, 2015, 11:47:27
That pressing issued of what colour are the pips and crowns going to be just won't go away eh JM [Xp.
  :dunno:  Hey, I just figured that the OP's inability to read any  of the pre-existing threads on this topic suggested that simple pictures may be the best way to answer a question.

It was that or stick-figures.  ;)
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Danjanou on December 09, 2015, 11:49:05
  :dunno:  Hey, I just figured that the OP's inability to read any  of the pre-existing threads on this topic suggested that simple pictures may be the best way to answer a question.

It was that or stick-figures.  ;)

Stick figures are only for us unedumucated other ranks. 8)
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: George Wallace on December 09, 2015, 11:58:24
Stick figures are only for us unedumucated other ranks. 8)

Ah!  But the unedumucated kids today can use YouTube.   [:D
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Lumber on December 09, 2015, 12:23:32
I'm also concerned about the administrative workload that the officer has to do... What does this look like?

I'm not an Infantry Officer, but I currently hold a position known as Adjutant, which is a position that many Infantry Officers might have after their first few years in Garrison. Just to give you an idea, here are some of the jobs I've been working on lately:

Prepare Presentation on Voluntary Occupational Transfer Program
Prepared Presentation on Operation Honour
Prepare a summary of Non-Effective Strength Regulations
Write the semi-annual Report of Proceedings
Write Terms of Reference for a Summary Investigation
Write nominations, narratives and citations for Commander's Certificate of Achievement
Write Professional Devlopment Review (PDR) for the Chief Clerk
Proofread the PDRs written by my subordinates
Sign a metric crap-ton of pay sheets
Conduct an audit of all the security clearance of everyone at my unit
Write an article for a naval newsletter about activities at the unit
Proofread the PAO's various articles
Proofread memos from everyone on everything because they all suck at it

That's just the last little while...
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: dapaterson on December 09, 2015, 12:27:35
I'm not an Infantry Officer, but I currently hold a position known as Adjutant, which is a position that many Infantry Officers might have after their first few years in Garrison. Just to give you an idea, here are some of the jobs I've been working on lately:

Prepare Presentation on Voluntary Occupational Transfer Program
Prepared Presentation on Operation Honour
Prepare a summary of Non-Effective Strength Regulations
Write the semi-annual Report of Proceedings
Write Terms of Reference for a Summary Investigation
Write nominations, narratives and citations for Commander's Certificate of Achievement
Write Professional Devlopment Review (PDR) for the Chief Clerk
Proofread the PDRs written by my subordinates
Sign a metric crap-ton of pay sheets
Conduct an audit of all the security clearance of everyone at my unit
Write an article for a naval newsletter about activities at the unit
Proofread the PAO's various articles
Proofread memos from everyone on everything because they all suck at it

That's just the last little while...

That looks about right, although the weight of the paysheets for you to sign seems a little light.

Don't forget about the endless array of online courses you're obliged to complete as well...
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Journeyman on December 09, 2015, 12:33:59
That looks about right.....
Plus the periodic "we're one team; there is no 'us' and 'them'....but you RegF bastards did this...." 

And higher HQ's default setting of "I know this has absolutely nothing to do with your line serial, but you're the full-time guy, so bend over..."
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Ayrsayle on December 09, 2015, 13:14:41
I'm also an Adjutant (and an Infantry Officer) - This is what the "Staff" side of being an officer looks like.

I'm not an Infantry Officer, but I currently hold a position known as Adjutant, which is a position that many Infantry Officers might have after their first few years in Garrison. Just to give you an idea, here are some of the jobs I've been working on lately:

Prepare Presentation on Voluntary Occupational Transfer Program
Prepared Presentation on Operation Honour
Prepare a summary of Non-Effective Strength Regulations
Write the semi-annual Report of Proceedings
Write Terms of Reference for a Summary Investigation
Write nominations, narratives and citations for Commander's Certificate of Achievement
Write Professional Devlopment Review (PDR) for the Chief Clerk
Proofread the PDRs written by my subordinates
Sign a metric crap-ton of pay sheets
Conduct an audit of all the security clearance of everyone at my unit
Write an article for a naval newsletter about activities at the unit
Proofread the PAO's various articles
Proofread memos from everyone on everything because they all suck at it

That's just the last little while...
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: dapaterson on December 09, 2015, 13:34:15
I'm also an Adjutant (and an Infantry Officer) - This is what the "Staff" side of being an officer looks like.

You left out the one key part of the job description of every officer: Other duties as required.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Humphrey Bogart on December 09, 2015, 13:42:09
If you're looking to get a lot of high speed courses and technical training, don't become an officer.  If you are interested in planning and administration, Officer is what you want.

typical career of a Regular Force Infantry Officer is as follows:

Complete Occupation Training (Basic Training, Common Army Training, Platoon Commander, Mechanized Training 1-2 years) you will be badged and posted to a Regiment upon completion of your last phase.  Your choices are RCR, PPCLI, R22R.

Once you're badged in, you will be posted to one of your Regiments three Battalions.  The 1st and 2nd Battalions of each Regiment are Mechanized Infantry Battalions while the 3rd Battalions are Light Infantry Battalions with 1xParachute Company each.

Once you arrive at the Battalion, if you did well/near the top of your phase training, you'll be immediately given a Platoon Commander billet, if you don't receive one you'll go in to an Administrative role until a position opens up which could take anywhere from 6 months to 1 year.  This may sound crappy but if you don't have a platoon you may have the opportunity to go on some courses (Parachute Training, Mountain Ops, Unarmed Combat, etc).  You'll also have time to catch up on Professional Development course (CAFJOD, AJOSQ) which will be important as you advance in your career. 

Once you have a platoon you'll command it for a year, if you're lucky you'll get more time.  I had a Platoon for 2.5 years but a lot of people don't get that lucky.  When you're a platoon commander you will do all the training with your soldiers, field exercises, ranges, run physical training, etc...  You'll also be responsible for the Platoon Administration, leave passes, range instructions, performance reports, counselling soldiers, etc...  This is your first introduction to administration.

Once you finish as a Platoon Commander you'll be moved in to a different position within the Battalion.  If you did very well they may give you an opportunity to move in to Recce Platoon.  Otherwise you'll be moving to a position like Transport Platoon, LAV Captain or upstairs to Battalion Operations.  If you did very well you may be given the opportunity to become a Company 2IC.  This is very good as you may get this tick in the box yr first go at Battalion, which means you might not have to do it again when/if you return to the Battalion.

After three or four years your time at Battalion will come to an end and you will arrive at the career point where you're ready to go on external regimental employment (ERE).  The possibilities of where you will end up are quite broad.  You could go to a training centre to train other soldiers/officers, you could be seconded to recruitment or the Reserve Force, you could be posted to one of our many headquarters to work as a staff officer, the possibilities are endless.

This is also the time when you need to start thinking about where you want to go with your career.  There will be numerous career courses you should aim to complete during this timeframe and you should start thinking about going back to the Battalion.  There is also the option of moving in to another career stream and trying your hand at the numerous specialized units that exist within the Canadian Forces (JTF2, CSOR, CJIRU, HUMINT) and perhaps moving in that direction.

Note that if you are interested in these units and you successfully complete their selections, your infantry officer career essentially goes on pause.  If you don't have any aspirations for these units than you'll want to make sure you try and get in the Army Operations Course (AOC) before returning to a Battalion, it's not the end of the world if you don't do so but it saves you the trouble of doing it once you return to a Battalion.

Upon returning to Battalion, you'll start off being employed as either a Company 2IC or find yourself filling other Senior Captain positions (Asst Ops Officer, Adjutant, Operations Officer, 2IC Admin Company).  Once you've completed these jobs and have sufficient time in rank, you may be ready for promotion to Major at which point you will become a Company Commander.  After this, what happens in your career is anyone's guess.

That should give you a pretty good idea of what your first 8-12 years of your career as an infantry officer looks like.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Oldgateboatdriver on December 09, 2015, 13:52:05
Actually, unless I missed something, Lumber, who is a MARS officer (the Naval line officers), is by the look of his list of things in a position in a reserve/militia unit as the "RSS" officer, and that is a staff position (don't know why his unit would qualify the Regular Force staff officer position as "adjutant", but hey! The militia does what it does).

Therefore, his daily work entails staff officer duties only, and BTW that explains his involvement with signing pay sheets, which doesn't exist in the regular force, and his writing an article for a naval newsletter, which an "adjutant" (purely Army position) would not normally write.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Danjanou on December 09, 2015, 13:58:14
You left out the one key part of the job description of every officer: Other duties as required.

That line (usually in small print) has been in every job I've ever held military of civvy, paid or volunteer  since I was 16  ::)
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Lumber on December 09, 2015, 14:38:33
Actually, unless I missed something, Lumber, who is a MARS officer (the Naval line officers), is by the look of his list of things in a position in a reserve/militia unit as the "RSS" officer, and that is a staff position (don't know why his unit would qualify the Regular Force staff officer position as "adjutant", but hey! The militia does what it does).

The position is actually "Administration Officer", but having described my duties to my army buddies (including my Chief Clerk who is an army Warrant Officer) my job is essentially the same as an Adjutant.

I was just trying to make it more relevant for OP... plus it sounds cooler than AdminO.

Also, I don't officialy write any articles. I just write nice things about what are doing and then suddenly it appears in a newletter or magazine with the name of one of my bosses as the author...   :coffee:
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: clans101 on April 02, 2016, 21:27:24
At what point during basic at St.Jean do you find out where you do your infantry training? I'm hearing Meaford....
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: mariomike on April 02, 2016, 21:35:35
I'm hearing Meaford....

According to Forces.ca

"Infantry Soldiers attend one of three Military Training Centres: The Royal Canadian Regiment in Meaford, Ontario; Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry in Wainwright, Alberta; and The Royal 22e Régiment in Valcartier, Quebec."
http://www.forces.ca/en/job/infantrysoldier-4?olvPlayer=196.001s&module=cue_4_3
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: clans101 on April 02, 2016, 22:03:45
At what point are you told?
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: 1984 on April 02, 2016, 23:09:26
At what point are you told?

There will be a test.

You will be put in a room with a knife, a chicken and a dummy representing an enemy soldier.

If you kill the "enemy" with the knife then bake the chicken for 1 hour at 350 degrees and serve with a side of roasted potatoes and a nice red wine you will go to Valcartier.

If you the kill the "enemy" using only the chicken, paint yourself in it's blood and then proceed to use the knife to cut the rim off your bush cap then you will go to Wainwright.

If you kill the "enemy" with the knife and then try to get the chicken's phone number you will go to Meaford.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Loachman on April 02, 2016, 23:31:50
Loachman likes this. Milpoints.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Blackadder1916 on April 03, 2016, 00:20:10
. . . . .

If you kill the "enemy" with the knife then bake the chicken for 1 hour at 350 degrees and serve with a side of roasted potatoes and a nice red wine you will go to Valcartier.

. . . . .

That is so inappropriate.  . . . . . A dry white wine would be more suitable for a simple baked chicken.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: clans101 on April 03, 2016, 22:43:57
Thanks for nothing
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: PuckChaser on April 03, 2016, 23:10:47
http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,101214.msg1055803.html#msg1055803 (http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,101214.msg1055803.html#msg1055803)

30 seconds on Google. You're welcome for nothing.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: AbdullahD on April 04, 2016, 00:21:46
http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,101214.msg1055803.html#msg1055803 (http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,101214.msg1055803.html#msg1055803)

30 seconds on Google. You're welcome for nothing.

Can we please keep it on topic!

http://damndelicious.net/2015/04/08/10-quick-and-easy-baked-chicken-recipes/?m

I prefer the second recipe :)
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Pusser on April 04, 2016, 04:54:46
That is so inappropriate.  . . . . . A dry white wine would be more suitable for a simple baked chicken.

I'm thinking fava beans and a nice Chianti...
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: CBH99 on April 04, 2016, 05:11:37
I looovvveeeee reading these threads when they happen!!

They don't happen often, which is what makes this site so great.  And when they do, it honestly puts a smile on my face as I read and watch the sarcasm take over.  Love it.

 :pop:
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Zenkre on April 04, 2016, 20:38:13
Week 11
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: clans101 on April 06, 2016, 19:07:55
Great! Thanks
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: BinRat55 on April 07, 2016, 13:31:00
There will be a test.

You will be put in a room with a knife, a chicken and a dummy representing an enemy soldier.

If you kill the "enemy" with the knife then bake the chicken for 1 hour at 350 degrees and serve with a side of roasted potatoes and a nice red wine you will go to Valcartier.

If you the kill the "enemy" using only the chicken, paint yourself in it's blood and then proceed to use the knife to cut the rim off your bush cap then you will go to Wainwright.

If you kill the "enemy" with the knife and then try to get the chicken's phone number you will go to Meaford.

That... was... AWESOME!!!! I peed a little!
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Pusser on April 07, 2016, 13:34:46
There will be a test.

You will be put in a room with a knife, a chicken and a dummy representing an enemy soldier.

If you kill the "enemy" with the knife then bake the chicken for 1 hour at 350 degrees and serve with a side of roasted potatoes and a nice red wine you will go to Valcartier.

If you the kill the "enemy" using only the chicken, paint yourself in it's blood and then proceed to use the knife to cut the rim off your bush cap then you will go to Wainwright.

If you kill the "enemy" with the knife and then try to get the chicken's phone number you will go to Meaford.

An RN friend of mine told me of a similar test for joining the Royal Marines.  The test consists of placing a banana on a table in the centre of the interview room.  If the candidate enters the room and eats the banana, he can be a Royal Marine.  If the candidate peels it first and then eats it, he can be a Royal Marine officer.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Superman on July 04, 2017, 17:45:40
What pathway has a better chance of getting into CSOR/JTF2? Infantry Officer or Infantryman?

I know its a ways down the road for myself, but I just want to have all the information before I make my final decision. And also, I am not joining on the soul purpose of being in SF because obviously I know its a slim chance to actually get in.

Thanks for any of the information you can provide me.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Ayrsayle on July 04, 2017, 20:48:19
Neither - or both, depending on how you look at it.  Depends on what you want to do in CANSOFCOM.

More importantly, all trades are welcome to apply for selection - and there are many trades /occupations which are part of both organizations doing a variety of roles which have little to do with the Infantry skillset, etc.

Pick the job you (believe) you will enjoy doing, as you've already noted only a few will make it to CSOR or JTF2.  Become very good at being a member of the CAF in whatever capacity you join in - then look at CANSOFCOM if everything lines up a number of years down the road.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: CEDE NULLIS on July 06, 2017, 09:58:58
Thanks for the details Humphrey Bogart et al.

For other prospective infantry folks:

I found the most recently published regimental journals of the PPCLI and RCR pretty good resources for a look at life in battalions.

They are also useful at seeing what a career as an officer may entail outside of battalion (from page 119 in The Patrician). Also in The Patrician from page 216 are details of where everyone is posted to. I had some acronym searching to do but it is useful to see the wide range of postings available.


https://ppcli.com/publications/the-patrician/ (https://ppcli.com/publications/the-patrician/)

http://thercr.ca/publications/pro-patria (http://thercr.ca/publications/pro-patria)
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: mariomike on July 06, 2017, 10:14:47
I found the most recently published regimental journals of the PPCLI and RCR pretty good resources for a look at life in battalions.

See also,

Comparing the Regiments (PPCLI, RCR, and R22eR) and their bases
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=25214.425
18 pages.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: LND Infantry on August 02, 2017, 16:53:16
HI everyone,

I was just wondering once I get posted to a base where will I live? I am not sure how soon after DP1 I will be posted but I will still have to find a place to live and it doesn't seem like allot of time to find a place since after reading other posts you don't find out what Regiment or base you are posted to until the very end of DP1.  Do you they provide you with a shack on base until you find your own place?

Thank you!
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Dimsum on August 02, 2017, 17:01:30
If this is your actual posting, then no.  That's what the House Hunting Trip is for.

Welcome to the military, where houses are looked at, decided upon, and offers made within days (sometimes hours).
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: LND Infantry on August 02, 2017, 17:32:16
If this is your actual posting, then no.  That's what the House Hunting Trip is for.

Welcome to the military, where houses are looked at, decided upon, and offers made within days (sometimes hours).

Ok thank you, I was just wondering how it worked, I was just picturing getting done DP1 and then getting sent to which ever base I get posted to a few days later with no where to stay , I guess I would just have to stay at a hotel for a while until I found a place.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Infant_Tree on August 02, 2017, 17:48:40
Ok thank you, I was just wondering how it worked, I was just picturing getting done DP1 and then getting sent to which ever base I get posted to a few days later with no where to stay , I guess I would just have to stay at a hotel for a while until I found a place.

So you're saying after DP1 we're responsible for our own living arrangements? Perhaps I'm making assumptions from army movies but I was under the impression that they would transport all of the new Privates to their new base immediately after DP1 and you would be staying in the barracks while there.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: LND Infantry on August 02, 2017, 17:53:11
So you're saying after DP1 we're responsible for our own living arrangements? Perhaps I'm making assumptions from army movies (most of which portray the US Army), but I was under the impression that they would transport all of the new Privates to their new base immediately after DP1 and you would be staying in the barracks while there.

I think you are responsible to find you're own place right after DP1, depending how soon after DP1 you may just have to spend some time in a hotel until you find a place if say you go to your base a few days after DP1 is finished as you obviously wouldn't have enough time to find a place - it looks like you start BMQ about a month before me so you should be done DP1 a month before me so you can let me know ok?  ;D
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: LightFighter on August 02, 2017, 17:56:18
 :facepalm:


After DP1 you can move into the barracks on the base you are posted to.  It's a simple process; don't worry about it. You won't be homeless after completing your training.

If you do not have your own car, the military will provide transportation to get you from battle school your new base.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: LND Infantry on August 02, 2017, 17:59:58
After DP1 you can move into the barracks on the base you are posted to.  It's a simple process; don't worry about it. You won't be homeless after completing your training.

Ok great thanks for the response , what I have read so far in the forum is they will let us know what base we go to at some point during DP1? do you find out which Regiment you are joining in DP1 as well or is that during BMQ?

Thank you
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: LightFighter on August 02, 2017, 18:04:07
Ok great thanks for the response , what I have read so far in the forum is they will let us know what base we go to at some point during DP1? do you find out which Regiment you are joining in DP1 as well or is that during BMQ?

Thank you

You will find out what battalion and regiment you are going to during DP1. You will be able to say your regimental preference during DP1 as well, but that doesn't guarantee you will get it.
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: LND Infantry on August 02, 2017, 18:06:22
You will find out what battalion and regiment you are going to during DP1. You will be able to say your regimental preference(doesn't guarantee anything).

Ok, I figured which ever battle school you got sent to would give an indication which Regiment you were going to join .. Meaford RCR or Wainwright PPCLI , guess not though.

Thanks again for the answers
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: mariomike on August 02, 2017, 18:19:37
do you find out which Regiment you are joining in DP1 as well or is that during BMQ?

Ok, I figured which ever battle school you got sent to would give an indication which Regiment you were going to join ..

See,

Regiment choice?
OP: LND Infantry
http://milnet.ca/forums/index.php/topic,809.msg1497699.html#msg1497699
"Anyways, what I would like to know is when do you find out which Regiment you will be joining?"
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Somethinginteresting on August 30, 2017, 04:40:59
Hello,
If this is in the wrong section, feel free to move it.
I've read a little about the standards expected for BMQ but could someone tell me more about the timed runs, etc that are required for being an infantry soldier?
I heard somewhere that the battle readiness test happens every other month and that it is pretty much 10 consecutive 10 minute miles with a 75lb ruck (15km).  Is this correct?  Sounds pretty intense.
What are the daily runs like in terms of distances and times expected?
Are there any other timed runs?  This is the only part that worries me haha.
Is qualification (1,2,3) with the carbine challenging?
Thanks
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: mariomike on August 30, 2017, 09:06:41
I've read a little about the standards expected for BMQ but could someone tell me more about the timed runs, etc that are required for being an infantry soldier?
I heard somewhere that the battle readiness test happens every other month and that it is pretty much 10 consecutive 10 minute miles with a 75lb ruck (15km).  Is this correct?  Sounds pretty intense.
What are the daily runs like in terms of distances and times expected?
Are there any other timed runs?  This is the only part that worries me haha.
Is qualification (1,2,3) with the carbine challenging?

This may help,

Bettering Fitness Standards while Waiting for BMQ 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,17044.0.html
3 pages.

Running: Training, Problems, Techniques, Questions, etc 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=22788.100
19 pages.

Fitness for Operational Requirements of CAF Employment ( FORCE )
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=80513.200
44 pages.

etc...

Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: Somethinginteresting on August 31, 2017, 01:11:43
This may help,

Bettering Fitness Standards while Waiting for BMQ 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,17044.0.html
3 pages.

Running: Training, Problems, Techniques, Questions, etc 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=22788.100
19 pages.

Fitness for Operational Requirements of CAF Employment ( FORCE )
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=80513.200
44 pages.

etc...


Thank you. [:D
Title: Re: Infantry questions
Post by: mariomike on August 31, 2017, 06:47:35
Thank you. [:D

You are welcome. Good luck.  :)