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Title: Reg Force having to gain his annual
Post by: DARTAGNAN on February 07, 2018, 22:40:20
Hello everyone,

I'm a reg force officer and wondering if they're circumstances that I could be treated as a reservist for my annual (having to work 15 days to get 1 annual) ? 
Title: Re: Reg Force having to gain his annual
Post by: garb811 on February 07, 2018, 23:53:38
Hello everyone,

I'm a reg force officer and wondering if they're circumstances that I could be treated as a reservist for my annual (having to work 15 days to get 1 annual) ?
I know you've got a lot going on but, as an officer, you should be able to do basic research in policy and regs.  Your answer is in the Leave Manual:

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Chapter 3 – Annual Leave
Section 3.1 Regular and Reserve Commonalities
3.1.01 Policy

Annual leave is an entitlement. The purpose of annual leave is to sustain initiative and enthusiasm and to encourage the physical and mental wellbeing of CF members by providing periodic opportunities for rest and relaxation.

As a fundamental key to sustaining good performance, COs shall establish leave plans which will ensure that the entire complement of annual leave is granted with due consideration given to IMR.

3.1.02 Management

Annual leave does not have to be earned before it is used; however, over expenditures of annual leave shall be recovered.
Title: Re: Reg Force having to gain his annual
Post by: ArmyVern on February 08, 2018, 01:29:25
Hello everyone,

I'm a reg force officer and wondering if they're circumstances that I could be treated as a reservist for my annual (having to work 15 days to get 1 annual) ?

Same Ref:

3.2.02 Entitlement
The annual leave entitlement for members of the Regular Force is prescribed in QR&O 16.14(4) and is summarized as follows:
a member of the Regular Force with less than five years of service in the Canadian Forces is entitled to 20 working days annual leave per fiscal year;
a member of the Regular Force who has completed at least five years of service in the Canadian Forces but less than 28 years of service in the Canadian Forces is entitled to 25 working days annual leave per fiscal year;
a member of the Regular Force who has completed at least 28 years of service in the Canadian Forces is entitled to 30 working days annual leave per fiscal year; and
the annual leave entitlements in the year a member enrolled in, transferred to, released from or transferred from the Regular Force is calculated in accordance with QR&O 16.14(4).

and also do not earn annual for periods of LWOP.  So if you are on LWOP for 6 months of the FY, you won't receive full yearly complement of annual leave.  Your annual entitlement would then be reckoned at 1/15 days or 2 annual per month for each month you are working (3 days for the last month of the FY for those entitled to 25 days annual per FY).  All of those days should be credited to you upon a return from LWOP without actually having to work 15 to earn one etc.

  http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/about-policies-standards-queens-regulations-orders-vol-01/ch-16.page#cha-016-26

Title: Re: Reg Force having to gain his annual
Post by: Pusser on February 08, 2018, 13:12:06
I'm curious as to what you think the advantage of being treated like a Reservist would be?  Are you also willing to take a 15% pay cut?
Title: Re: Reg Force having to gain his annual
Post by: CountDC on February 08, 2018, 14:11:06
I'm curious why anyone would want to give up leave?  Or is it that you have less than 5 years in so trying to find a way to get additional 4 days leave out of the year?
Title: Re: Reg Force having to gain his annual
Post by: Lumber on February 08, 2018, 15:04:19
My bet is it's not coming from him. My bet is his CoC is telling him he can't take leave until he's worked x number of days.

I'm basing this on nothing, btw.
Title: Re: Reg Force having to gain his annual
Post by: Oldgateboatdriver on February 08, 2018, 15:10:01
My bet is it's not coming from him. My bet is his CoC is telling him he can't take leave until he's worked x number of days.

I'm basing this on nothing, btw.

Which may very well put you on par with his CoC.  ;D
Title: Re: Reg Force having to gain his annual
Post by: dapaterson on February 08, 2018, 15:17:46
This may be a case of a CoC expecting an individual to be released in short order, and thus not wanting the individual to take leave in advance of it being earned to avoid having to take recovery action.

But being unable to talk this over with the individual or their CoC, it's just a guess... like most of the conversation in this thread...
Title: Re: Reg Force having to gain his annual
Post by: Lumber on February 08, 2018, 15:46:02
Which may very well put you on par with his CoC.  ;D

 :rofl:
Title: Re: Reg Force having to gain his annual
Post by: DARTAGNAN on February 14, 2018, 16:41:52
This is right: its been a whole and + year that I might being released and no more news so ever. I have 7 years in so what about 24th and 25th annual of this fiscal year ?   
Title: Re: Reg Force having to gain his annual
Post by: SeaKingTacco on February 14, 2018, 18:24:07
This is right: its been a whole and + year that I might being released and no more news so ever. I have 7 years in so what about 24th and 25th annual of this fiscal year ?

If you have been in for 5 years or more, you are entitled to 25 days annual leave per year.

That said, if your chain of command feels that a release is pending for you fairly shortly, they might be trying to do you a favour where you don't owe the CF days of leave you that over expended and then have to pay back. For example, if your release comes in before the end of this Fiscal year (31 Mar), your leave entitlement for the year retroactively becomes 24 days (2 days/month) not 25 days for the year.

If you were to submit a leave pass for short leave, that would cost you nothing. COs can grant 2 days/ month.