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Title: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: jollyjacktar on February 08, 2018, 20:46:24
Somebody's heard about the Liberal welcome wagon for the nicest ISIS.   :nod:

That's because Britons don't want him.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/jihadi-jack-isis-consular-1.4526882
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: Kat Stevens on February 08, 2018, 21:10:45
Let the ******* rot.
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: whiskey601 on February 08, 2018, 21:15:51
Come on, we all know they will let him in eventually either by political decision or lawsuit coercion. He might have to wait until after the next election, but he will get in unless YPG does the world a favour ...
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: jollyjacktar on February 08, 2018, 21:18:57
A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian...here's your 10.5 cha ching
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: Jarnhamar on February 08, 2018, 21:30:28
If he brings some kids with him he'll be entitled to $3600 a month.

Might as well top it off and get him a job at Veterans Affairs lol
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: jollyjacktar on February 08, 2018, 21:32:50
Or the PMO
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: Jarnhamar on February 08, 2018, 21:43:03
Just remember that returning ISIS members 'are a powerful voice'.
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: whiskey601 on February 08, 2018, 21:48:49
If he brings some kids with him he'll be entitled to $3600 a month.

That's just plain disgusting. 
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: Hamish Seggie on February 09, 2018, 02:02:11
Just remember that returning ISIS members 'are a powerful voice'.

F**k him. Let him rot
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: Brihard on February 09, 2018, 02:45:38
Legally, if he is a Canadian citizen, the government has no right or authority to prevent him from re-entering the country should he eventually gain his freedom. But, they are also under no obligation to lift a finger to try to get him out of jail or to pay his way back here either. I hope that they do not.
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: pbi on February 09, 2018, 08:17:31
He made a decision. Let him live by it. And thus a message to anybody else who gets similar ideas.
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: Jarnhamar on February 09, 2018, 08:45:18
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/world/jihadi-jack-letts-syria-1.4385163

His parents sound like real winners.  The article tries to paint this kid like a victim, typical.

Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: Primus on February 09, 2018, 09:21:32
Trudeau will have poetry ready for him to feel less inclined to kill infidels. 

On a side note, what’s with almost every news outlet posting pics of him as a kid? The attempts to get the public to feel sorry for him by twisting the narrative is pretty ****ed up.
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: HappyWithYourHacky on February 09, 2018, 09:35:53
Just remember that returning ISIS members 'are a powerful voice'.

You mean "returning foreign terrorist travelers" are a powerful voice.
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: EOO on February 09, 2018, 10:31:05
I will like to see the issue through objective lenses. Is Jihadi Jack a Canadian? if the answer is yes, Canada can have him back with high priority surveillance put on him as part of the condition of having him back.

He must be willing to give something in exchange for his acceptance back into the country. I will rather that Canada has ears and eyes on these guys than playing politics.
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: Jarnhamar on February 09, 2018, 11:36:27
I will like to see the issue through objective lenses. Is Jihadi Jack a Canadian? if the answer is yes, Canada can have him back with high priority surveillance put on him as part of the condition of having him back.



He's also a British citizen. Can we legally say piss off since he had another option?

Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: Teager on February 09, 2018, 12:29:04
He's also a British citizen. Can we legally say piss off since he had another option?

I think that's what the British are saying since he's also Canadian.
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: Brihard on February 09, 2018, 12:32:35
He's also a British citizen. Can we legally say piss off since he had another option?

Nope. Again, we need do nothing whatsoever to help him get here, but if he manages to show up at a port of entry, he’s allowed in, full stop. The right of a citizen to enter, remain in or leave Canada is written right into the charter and there’s no way around that at all.
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: Journeyman on February 09, 2018, 12:44:24
....written right into the charter and there’s no way around that at all.
Since some people wring their hands at the whole 'terrorist hunting, extrajudicial killing' issue.... like it's a bad thing.  :whistle:


   ;)
  ^^^
this means "not serious(for those who require it be spelled out)
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: Jarnhamar on February 09, 2018, 13:13:43
Nope. Again, we need do nothing whatsoever to help him get here, but if he manages to show up at a port of entry, he’s allowed in, full stop. The right of a citizen to enter, remain in or leave Canada is written right into the charter and there’s no way around that at all.

Ah, right. Thank you.  We did stop some Canadian citizens from leaving Canada to join ISIS though didn't we? Guessing that's some kind of clause for citizens having a right to leave the country or something?


In any case this guy seems like a POS and hopefully he remains right where he is. His parents are either super stupid or closet ISIS supporters. i suspect the latter. As EOO sagely points out the blatant attempts to humanize and victimize Jihadi Jack with child pictures is quite obvious. 
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: Brihard on February 09, 2018, 15:11:53
Ah, right. Thank you.  We did stop some Canadian citizens from leaving Canada to join ISIS though didn't we? Guessing that's some kind of clause for citizens having a right to leave the country or something?


In any case this guy seems like a POS and hopefully he remains right where he is. His parents are either super stupid or closet ISIS supporters. i suspect the latter. As EOO sagely points out the blatant attempts to humanize and victimize Jihadi Jack with child pictures is quite obvious.

Passport revocation. Nothing stops them getting on a boat or going for a swim, but it makes it damned hard to leave the country when you can’y Enter the US or board an international flight.
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: FJAG on February 09, 2018, 15:46:18
Let me throw in a few comments while stating that I'm far from an expert on this topic.

The problem with this guy, as far as I can glean from the news and the web, is that he was never in Canada. He was born in the UK to a Canadian father and Brit mother and lived all of his life in the UK until he left Oxford to wander around Syria.

His passport has nothing to do with being a Canadian citizen (while I do not know for sure, I suspect he doesn't even have a Canadian one). His status is based on being the first generation descendant of a Canadian citizen.

Much, if not all, of the legislation under the Combating Terrorism Act (which has been incorporated in Part II.1 of the Criminal Code) creates offences relating to "everyone who leaves or attempts to leave Canada for the purpose of . . . etc etc" That wouldn't apply in these circumstances.

There are terrorist offences over which Canada claims extra-territorial jurisdiction but they require actual proof that the listed offence was committed. My guess is that because of the circumstances that such clear evidence of him having committed an offence over which Canada can claim such jurisdiction will be hard to come by and that if we do help him out to come here he will escape any consequences.

Considering the stance that the Liberals have taken with respect to reversing prior legislation facilitating stripping citizenship from persons with dual citizenship in certain circumstances they are now between a rock and a hard place.

Personally I believe they deserve to be there. The problem is that there is probably a vocal constituency of the Liberals who feel that bringing this ******* to Canada is the right thing to do. Hopefully they'll be in a decreasing minority.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: Hamish Seggie on February 09, 2018, 15:55:42
Well put FJAG.

I think everyone knows my feelings on terrorists.
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: Brihard on February 09, 2018, 19:43:45
Agreed. Extremely well put, and I agree fully. I unfortunately find myself sometimes at odds with my own beliefs and desires on this subject, versus my respect for the rule of law and my absolute belief that it must be diligently upheld.
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: Thucydides on February 09, 2018, 19:53:37
There is a spirit as well as the letter of the law....

If we can't openly say "no" then simply remain silent and ignore his pleas.
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: FSTO on February 09, 2018, 21:02:49
According to Murray Brewster's twitter, Canadian Diplomats are attempting to contact our the UK's misguided yute.
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: jollyjacktar on February 09, 2018, 21:23:43
I hope the Kurds tell them to go pound sand.
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: whiskey601 on February 09, 2018, 22:00:21
Well thats just it, they are "holding" him, so hold a "trial" and do the right thing...
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: Loachman on February 10, 2018, 01:36:34
https://www.thelocal.se/20180209/kurds-demand-sweden-take-back-its-is-fighters

“The second thing is that if they have committed crimes where they are, they should be put in front of a court there, where there is a possibility of investigating them.”
 
He denied that Sweden was trying to duck the foreign fighters issue.
 
“What I want is for people who have committed crimes to face justice in some way or another,” he said.
 
“It’s important that we can send the signal that if you go to another country to join a terrorist sect and carry out terrible violent acts, that you risk punishment.”
 
He warned that Sweden had yet to criminalise involvement in a terrorist organisation, making it hard to punish Isis fighters solely for their allegiance to the group.
 
“Those people have carried out a long list of crimes there, like murder, kidnapping, rape, arson. It’s always more effective to investigate that sort of thing right where it happened.”
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: tomahawk6 on March 05, 2018, 19:10:09
Captured foreign fighters face the death penalty.
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: jollyjacktar on March 05, 2018, 19:32:45
Sadly, not with us.
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: Kat Stevens on March 05, 2018, 19:44:22
Captured foreign fighters face the death penalty.

Here they get 10.5 mil and a free ipad.
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: Jarnhamar on March 05, 2018, 19:49:13
Here they get 10.5 mil and a free ipad.

But at least it wasn't 15 million right? We sure dodged a bullet :)
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: whiskey601 on March 05, 2018, 20:43:29
Captured foreign fighters face the death penalty.
In Sweden? I hope  the IKEA folding kitchen guillotine does more than slice carrots!
Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: Jarnhamar on March 05, 2018, 20:59:14
In Sweden? I hope  the IKEA folding kitchen guillotine does more than slice carrots!

Have you read about what's going on in Sweden?

Quote
Authorities in Sweden are prosecuting a 70-year-old woman for a hate crime.

Her alleged crime? She wrote on Facebook that she saw migrants defecating in the streets and setting fire to cars.

Title: Re: Jihadi Jack Letts begs Canada to take him in
Post by: whiskey601 on March 05, 2018, 21:22:40
Coming soon to a street near you...