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Title: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: fusilier on February 16, 2001, 01:52:00
Allow me a little rant if you will.  Several months ago, I put in the forms for a component transfer to the regular forces.  Now after about a month (officer‘s comments, signed off by the CO) the file was sent to the Recruiting Center.  This was approximately early October.  In late December I received a call from the recruiting center.  I went in for yet ANOTHER interview, medical and PT test in early January.  Now I am waiting.  Does this seem a little strange to anyone?  It‘s been 6 months and nothing has happened.  The recruiting center says it‘s be "processed" in Ottawa.  
Now, I see on the news that the Forces are trying to recruit some 7200 regular force members.  Now logically speaking, would‘nt they try to speed up the process a little?  I want to make a career of the Army, but geez I can only go so long.  The Reserves are barely providing enough income for me, I can‘t get another full time job, because most of them want me to work weekends.  I have to keep up in the Reserves, otherwise I will go NES, and this process will all start over again.  Stressful or what?  I think the military has to come up with a faster, more efficient way to go through this process.  At this rate, if they recruit 7200 people this year, they won‘t get into the Forces until 2003!!!  The whole process is, pardon my french, a pain in the derriere.

  :rolleyes:

Fideliter
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: JRMACDONALD on February 16, 2001, 11:32:00
Don‘t lose faith or sight of your goal. Oddly enough, component transfer is one of the few admin procedures which is identical in Reg/Res F. You are not alone, in wondering why it takes so long.  The biggest hurdle for Res F to RegF is, usually, the security checks. Your security chk for Res F is minimal/cursory, at best, and the Reg F one is more detailed. It is, I understand, only done by RCMP in Ottawa, and they are responsible for ALL chks for Fed Govt.(that is a bit of a work load!!) Something which might speed things up is to visit your Rec Centre to inquire on progress, and at the same time, get yourCO/BOR involved making inquiries. It dont make sense why it takes so long, but it is worth the wait!
GOOD LUCK!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Mud Crawler on February 16, 2001, 12:20:00
I believe the 6 month wait is not normal.I applied for Reg F and it took less than a month to do the security check, only, it took 5 months before i could do my med because they had the wrong phone number( and i wrote it the right way on my papers).Oh yeah thats without counting teh fact that they lost my college report card and they said i didnt give it to them but i did.But this doesnt surprise me in a world where no body wants to take responsability for his actions.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: kaspacanada on February 26, 2001, 16:20:00
I am a new NMC in the reserves and have been thinking more and more about reg force.  I know that I want to get there eventually and that I want a career (hopefully as an officer)    I am slated for the 8 week QL2/3 course this summer but I want to transfer to reg force for several reasons.  One is that I do not want to incurr any more student loans and doing a term of service will provide me with the opportunity to save money to return to school after the term and get my degree.  Another up side is the apparent lack of reserve training and I have heard through several channels that having regular force memeber serve in the reserves afterwards is a great boost to the level of experitse for the units.  So I will have the opportunity to be an asset to my regiment when I return and go to school.

  One major problem right now is that I am worried that 8 weeks in training is NOT going to get me the same level of training as someone who has joined regular force and has gone through the full 26 weeks of training.  (of however long the full training period is for infantry) In fact I am positive that there is not the same level of competence there because the time is just not put in.  

  The only thing that concerns me right now is that I do not know if it is a good idea in the sense that if I serve as an NCM on a tour, return to the reserves, if I will be able to re-enter regular force service as an officer afterwards?  Can anyone provide me with some feedback on this?


Also, I am wondering about the level of fitness required for the regular force courseload.  I have hearing that the regular force course for infantry is much harder than the reserves course.  Not simply longer in duration.  So any feedback on what I should be able to accomplish in terms of physical fitness standards would be greatly appreciated.  Is the information provided to me by recruiting sufficient?  (19 pushups does not sound sufficient, neither does 35 situps)  The running is probably the hardest part which I am training for.  Between the shin splints and such I swim and use the elyptical trainer at the gym.  I am not in the greatest shape right now but I am not in terrible shape either.  

Thanks

Jeff
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: MCG on February 26, 2001, 18:57:00
you stated:
 "The only thing that concerns me right now is that I do not know if it is a good idea in the sense that if I serve as an NCM on a tour, return to the reserves, if I will be able to re-enter regular force service as an officer afterwards? "

Yes you would be able to return to the regular force and serve as an officer, however you would have to go through officer training.  Have you considered RESO?  Go to university, and train to be an officer at the same time.  During the winter you would be a part of a reserve unit and attend university.  During the summer you would recive the same training as a regular force officer.  In fact you would be on course with UTPNCM, ROTP, and DEO candidates.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: the patriot on February 26, 2001, 23:49:00
I agree completely with the above advice.  RESO is a great way to acheive your dream of getting your degree, while having some independance to a degree.  Plus, you still have the opportunity of serving on a tour through your reserve unit upon the completion of your studies.

-the patriot-   :D
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: kaspacanada on March 01, 2001, 02:45:00
I was looking at Fusiliers post about transferring from reserve to reg force and am wondering about my decision to transfer to reg force.  I am planning on getting that process started tomorrow (today by the time you all probably get to read this) .  Anyhow, I don‘t really want to go on the 8 week course when I should be trying to get on the 26 week course that the reg‘s take.  I finished my processing in October of this year and hope it doesn‘t take that long to transfer.  My semester at college ends in April or May and then I am available for reg force.  I am gonna go with it because I do not have the highschool requisites for ceotp or reso so I am planning on upgrading my highschool level courses while I am in.  After that, I will apply for reso or ceotp while I finish my degree.  


How long do you think it could take to process this transfer even though my screening was done in October?  

Jeff
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: pte feetham on May 11, 2001, 11:38:00
hello every one i have a question i have just compleated my ql2 and am going on my 3s this summer i was wondering if i tansferd to the regs as priviet traind and im going from reserve infantry to reg armored if i would have to do a reg force ql2 and if my time in the reserves would count as time towards my corprals?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: fortuncookie5084 on May 11, 2001, 14:27:00
I know a guy that transfered from the reserves to the PPCLI.  They made him pass through the Battle School, but he did not have to do his 2‘s again.  Then again he had over three years behind him.  They may look at your file and decide you need to do the reg force GMT----a much longer and tougher course.  Your time in the reserves is calculated using some formula.  Your short time may count for a few days regular service.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Another Recce Guy on May 11, 2001, 14:48:00
The best thing to do is talk to your recruiter.  Good choice!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Doug on May 13, 2001, 04:56:00
You may get to bypass your basic but you will not get much time toward your Cpls‘.  All 1/2 day class A service counts as a 1/4 day, a full class A day counts as a 1/2 day.  A typical month of reserve service(with two weekends and 4 trg nights) would total 3 days Reg service.  Class C service counts 1 for 1, so get as much as you can!  It take a while to add up so if you keep track of all your time at work, you can pretty much figure out what they‘ll offer you.  Good luck.

Semper Fidelis
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: platinumfx on April 25, 2004, 12:46:00
Hey everybody, i‘m in the reserves right now and am now applying for the regforce. I just wanted to know if i would keep my rank. Or do I loose my rank and start over fresh. Also is should i be aware of anything else? Thanks.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Michael O'Leary on April 25, 2004, 13:01:00
Part of your application process for Component Transfer will include a Verification of Fomer Service (VFS). This stage will examine your qualifications and time served on Class A, B or C service. A determination will then be made of what equivalencies you will be granted and at what rank and incentive (effective years of service in that rank for pay purposes) you will be offered.

Your unit will be required to forward a package from your personnel file to the Recruiting Centre. Once you start the process with the CFRC, request to see your Chief Clerk through your chain of command to initiate the production of a Component Transfer Application. Ask the Orderly Room to review your file and indentify anything that might be missing so you can ensure they and you aren‘t waiting for it later. Some of the items that might need to be updated include:

 - an Expres Test result
 - current reliability screening
 - official copies of high school transcripts
 - official copies of university transcripts
 - current medical status
 - personnel security assessment

You unit clerks will know what each of these entails for you to make sure your file is up to date.

(These points are from some old notes, and may not be 100% accurate at this time.)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: platinumfx on April 25, 2004, 17:27:00
Thank you so much, umm do you have any idea of how long it normaly takes to do a transfer?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: platinumfx on May 08, 2004, 16:04:00
i was told that it would be faster to release from the reserves and reapply to reg, rather then doing a component transfer, is this true, or what? also what kinda of differences will i notice in differences, thanks to everybody in advance.  :D
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: *CDN*Blackhawk on May 08, 2004, 16:39:00
lets put it this way, and maybe its different with the reserves.

I Had to wait for 7 months for my VFS before my file even got looked at and before the process even begain. i now am just waiting for a job offer and its now start of my 11th month,


All because I VR before(which was a huge Mistake)

I would speak to some CFRC personel and see what they suggest.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Michael O'Leary on May 08, 2004, 17:04:00
There‘s no guarantee it would be faster, whether you are working it as a Component Transfer or an an applicant with prior Reserve service, the file in both cases is held up by the same choke point: the Verification of Former Service (VFS).
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Arthur on January 11, 2003, 18:41:00
Last week I decided to transfer from the Reserves to the Regular Forces. I am waiting for my component transfer to go through.  Due to my full-time civilian job, I was unable to complete my QL3. My recruiter has informed me that as soon as my transfer is signed off they will begin the process to get me into Basic Training, etc.  My goal is to be assigned to RMS Clerk.
I have a few questions which I am hoping you guys can answer:
1. How many weeks will it take before I will begin receiving full-time pay?  The recruiter told me it should take 4 weeks before I am sworn in again and offered a placement in Basic Training, but could it actually take a lot longer?
2. I am married, so I would like to know if recruits in Saint Jean are given any time off during the 10 weeks that would allow me to visit my wife or have my wife visit me off base?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Andrew on January 12, 2003, 00:20:00
Well question 1 I can‘t answer but question 2 I can.  The first 4 weeks of basic you will not be allowed off.  You will be Confined to barracks.  Which actually isn‘t that bad.  But after those 4 weeks if your cleaning stations and common areas are good throughout the week you will be given your weekend or part of it off if you messed something up.  Real bummer when you lose it.  But if your wife is flying out from somewhere to see you usually they take is special consideration because of how much it costs.


Andrew  :bullet:    :cdn:    :bullet:
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: humint on February 09, 2003, 14:58:00
Need some help.

I‘m in the res right now and will be going reg force in the next year or so. I‘ll have BOTP/CAP-R done before I make the transfer. Would I have to take Phase 1 for the reg force all over again or can/will I be exempted from it? Anyone know from personal experience?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: MCG on February 09, 2003, 22:58:00
I was Ph III qualified when I transferred.  Initially, the CFRG wanted me to do BOTC (Ph I).  This was eventually changed and I was given full recognition for the courses I had completed.  I learned a few things that may be of value to you.

 
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: humint on February 10, 2003, 14:52:00
Thanks for the help. My concern is that I‘ll do the BOTP/CAP-R this summer and then, upon joining reg force next fall/winter, have to do it all over again the following spring/summer -- which would be a huge pain the @ss. I just talked to a recruiter and he seems to think that phase 1 would be waived, but he couldn‘t say for sure.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Illucigen on February 13, 2003, 14:40:00
Not sure if it will help any, but Pha ! REG has been increased recently to 14 weeks. They have split the initial BOTC (basic officer training course) into two, with the initial 8 first weeks being IAP (Initial Assessement Period) and the other 6 being BOTP.

For RMC folks, only 10 weeks total is done in st-jean, the rest is done through the college.

So, assuming you do roughly the same amount of time, I dont see an issue, expect for the general apprehension in allowing a rank to remain substantive during a cross from res to reg. If I were you, Id do BOTP in reg... .but it depends if you want an easy ride or not :-)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: humint on February 13, 2003, 15:37:00
I‘m looking at the schedule for officer training for this summer in Gagetown and the first phase lasts for 9 weeks -- but broken down into 4 distinct modules. This allows the ofcdts, who can‘t get the whole summer off, to do modular training (i.e. 2 weeks here, 2 weeks there, etc, across the entire year).  

After this initial phase, we then do CAP-R (either in the winter or next spring), which is 5 weeks long.

Either way you cut it, the whole thing comes to 14 weeks. At least, that‘s the way it looks now. Apparently, these change all the time, and so do the course names/codes.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: humint on February 13, 2003, 15:42:00
I‘m not sure whether the rank would be an issue. For example, chaplains are given a rank of either Capt or Maj, depending upon their level of qualification, even during the initial phase.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: RoyalHighlander on March 03, 2003, 01:05:00
Quote
Thanks for the help. My concern is that I‘ll do the BOTP/CAP-R this summer and then, upon joining reg force next fall/winter, have to do it all over again the following spring/summer -- which would be a huge pain the @ss. I just talked to a recruiter and he seems to think that phase 1 would be waived, but he couldn‘t say for sure.
You should be able to ace it all then no??
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DnA on March 15, 2003, 20:02:00
I did a search an it didnt find anything on this so


In a while, I might transfer from Reserve to Reg Force(hopefully Armoured Recce) an I was wondering how long would one of these typically take? an would I have to redo all of my tests?

also, would the BMQ an SQ courses I took as a rsv(taking them this summer) still be "good" or would I have to to the reg force "version" of them

thanks for the info
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Gelan on March 29, 2003, 22:20:00
The best people to ask about this is your local CFRC. Just call them up and ask them it shouldn‘t take more than a 10 min phone call to get the info you need.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: ~RoKo~ on March 30, 2003, 01:23:00
Topic 1 (http://cdnarmy.ca/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=000161)

 Topic 2 (http://cdnarmy.ca/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=000109)

There are a couple other topics out there, I‘m sure, but they didn‘t come up in my search.

I‘m also thinking of going to the regs, but probably not for 2 or 3 more years..
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: humint on March 31, 2003, 17:21:00
I have heard from recruiters that you need to give yourself at least 6 months lead time from when you apply to when you want to be in REG. That said, it will likely take 10 months. I‘m doing the same thing at the Offr level.

Word of advice to anyone out there -- it is far easier to go straight into Reg Force than to transfer from Res to Reg.

You may have to do the tests all over again, but you will not likely have to do all the courses. But, there is no general rule. I‘ve been told that they look at course exclusions on a case-by-case basis.

Best of luck!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DnA on April 26, 2003, 16:54:00
I‘m planning on doing a componet transfer to the Reg Force soon, since I‘ll be graduating from High School this year

anyways, how long does one usually take?
I get to redo all my tests right?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Jarnhamar on April 26, 2003, 17:15:00
I‘ve heard many recruiters say it‘s easier and faster to quit the reserves then join the reg force as a civilian.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DnA on April 26, 2003, 17:38:00
oh, I thought it would have been easier to transfer then to join as a civilian

I‘m talking to my plt commander/recruiter on thursday about the transfer, I‘ll see what he says
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Jarnhamar on April 26, 2003, 21:01:00
You would think so eh?
Rule one about the military. What seems like logic, isn‘t.
Had a civie friend join infantry, took 4 months. Had a reserve friend fresh off tour with 3rcr put in a component transfer (TO 3rcr), took him over a year.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: WB on April 27, 2003, 03:22:00
I‘ve heard that as well... There was a point when I was going to join the militia in high school, then transfer to the regs when I graduated. Time and again I was told its better to wait a bit, then go for reg force from the start.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: BD1 on November 17, 2003, 13:52:00
Good Afternoon , curious to know how easy or difficult it is to switch from the Reserves to Regular ?
Trade being 031

Thanks   :D
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Da_man on November 17, 2003, 22:17:00
I think you just ask for a transfer
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: meni0n on November 17, 2003, 23:34:00
BD1, I believe you should write a memo. I‘m thinking I‘ll be writing one soon too.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: shaunlin41 on November 17, 2003, 23:44:00
From what I understand, and from what is occuring to a couple members of my unit, a transfer could take 1 or 2 years to complete.  They need to verify and compare your qualifications to that of reg force and although this seems simple to you and me it apparently is not. And no it doesn‘t matter that they need reg force numbers right now.
From what I am told you are better off getting out and re applying as joe blow new recruit.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: meni0n on November 17, 2003, 23:52:00
Born, but then the Verification of prior service will take forever.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: shaunlin41 on November 18, 2003, 01:37:00
not if you don‘t tell them you were in before, this is just what i was told
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: RMF1 on February 04, 2004, 21:38:00
Does anyone know if you can get a transfer from the reserves to join the regular force?    :cdn:
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: D-n-A on February 04, 2004, 21:42:00
yes, you can do a componet transfer from the Reserve to the Reg Force.  You just need your basic training done to be able to transfer.

When you transfer though, you may need to redo a course or two. For example, if your a R031(reserve infantry NCM) and want to go a 031(Reg Force Infantry) your have to redo BIQ and possibly SQ


It takes time though for it all to go through.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PTE Gruending on February 04, 2004, 22:38:00
Ummm, I don‘t think it is quite that simple. A lot of it is calculated on your time in, as opposed to qualifications....
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: D-n-A on February 04, 2004, 23:01:00
I‘m sure time in plays a part aswell, but this is what I‘ve been told about a CT.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Yeoman on February 05, 2004, 00:29:00
I‘m going through right now.
it all depends on qualifications, and time in. I‘ve got 2 years in, res. biq qualified, jump, comms, and I‘m a cpl now. they told me if I got the dp2a, or 4 vehicles for driver‘s, they would have shoved me straight into 3 RCR. but I have to do the biq over again. so that‘s how it worked for me.
Greg
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Danny on February 05, 2004, 07:32:00
How long does it generally take?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Nerf herder on February 05, 2004, 07:33:00
For myself I had a CLC, AVGP Dvr crse, Leo D&M Crse, and FMC Dvr wheel course along with about 5 years B class while in the Reserves.

Took a month for the paper work to clear and I was in A Sqn 8CH in Gagetown driving tanks. No doing over of ANY courses whatsoever.

Good luck to you RMF1, hopefully you don‘t have any problems.

Regards
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: portcullisguy on February 05, 2004, 11:38:00
Yeoman... not that I want to leave my $48,500 a year job in civvy-land right now, but about the CT... did you also NEED the comms and jump course to be considered and to skip Reg BIQ?

I have res BIQ, and will be taking a DP2A this spring.  By that time I will have two years in, and could be promoted to Cpl at anytime.

If I did a transfer, would this mean I could skip reg BIQ as well, or do you think the other qualifications (comms/jump) are a factor in your case?

Did my question make any sense?  Sometimes I babble incoherently.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Danny on February 05, 2004, 12:20:00
This might be a long shot,but is there anybody out who was a sup tech in the res who transfered to sup tech in the regs?  :)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: RMF1 on February 05, 2004, 18:44:00
Thanks alot guys! Best of luck to everyone else who is trying to transfer!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Bulvyn on February 05, 2004, 23:34:00
If you complete your BMQ, SQ and BIQ to technically be a trained private, then apply for transfer to the reg forces. Do you have to do the courses again as a Pte or are you still a trained private and carry on with your training? I am talking about a transfer to the same field (infantry).
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: trjhack on February 08, 2004, 03:19:00
Right now i am a Pte. in Res. with my BMQ, SQ, Comms and i have been in for almost a year.  I want to transfer into another unit as a Reg force member.  I know you are all going to shun me for this but i want to be a "Meat Head".  How long do you guys think the process would take, and what do you think the chances are of me skiping QL1 and going straight into the 3‘s?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Gunner on February 08, 2004, 11:18:00
Nothing wrong with wanting to be a Meathead.   :rolleyes:    

Seriously though, every trade in the CF has its own unique challenges and opportunities.  If you are interested in the military police, go for it.

Your best course of action is to go into CFRC in Calgary (I don‘t believe Lethbridge would have one).  Most speculation on this site will just confuse you.

MPs are a specialist trade now and there are certain additional requirements that you have to meet.  The key one being a 2 year college diploma in law enforcement.  The course is run in Lethbridge and I hope you have graduated or are currently enrolled.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Yeoman on February 08, 2004, 22:44:00
yeah I needed more then just the basic qualifications in order to skip some of the training. if I had just the basic three courses, chances are, I‘d have to do the sq again. but with time in and courses, I have to do just the biq. it really all depends on a) time in and b) the amount of courses you‘ve got.
generally from what everyone tells me; if you‘ve got say three extra courses, have had at least 2 years in, are a corporal, and is trained under the new course standards (not ql2/3, but sq, biq) you‘d be transfered directly into a reg force btl.
Greg
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Danny on February 09, 2004, 15:07:00
Ok just say a reservist who is, say a infanteer, is transferring to reg force does he/she have to do her CFAT again?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: alexk on May 08, 2004, 13:29:00
HAHA june 5 thats my birthday, im contemplating goin the Pres at the end of this school year. I Just have one question roughly how long would it take to transfer from res inf to reg inf ive heared it takes a long time can any one confirm this thanks alot.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: D-n-A on May 08, 2004, 15:24:00
Alexk, a componet transfer can take up to a year.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: CanadianTire on May 09, 2004, 12:18:00
Component transfer can take a very long time.  A friend in the communication reserve left college and applied early in 2002.  He decided to go to Bosnia, hoping some experience may speed things up.  Two years later, he is still waiting, and has since gone back to school because he is running out of things to do between September and June.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Danny on February 24, 2004, 17:30:00
When transferring to reg force from the reserve what is the policy on having, or not having to, do BMQ again? Is it based on time in, rank , number of days on class B or on an indivdual basis?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Danny on February 24, 2004, 17:31:00
Ah **** it! I posted this in the wrong section! Sorry.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Pvt_QoR on May 31, 2004, 12:56:53
im a private in the QoR i just finished my bmq.june 28th - august 20th i have my SQ and my BIQ then operation stalwart gaurdian.My question is if i take more courses throughout the year and then finish my jump course if i want to join reg forces will i have to take courses over again and do i have my own pic of reg force units to join (preferably PPCLI)? :gunner:
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Michael O'Leary on May 31, 2004, 21:02:48
im a private in the QoR i just finished my bmq.june 28th - august 20th i have my SQ and my BIQ then operation stalwart gaurdian.My question is if i take more courses throughout the year and then finish my jump course if i want to join reg forces will i have to take courses over again and do i have my own pic of reg force units to join (preferably PPCLI)? :gunner:

Pte_QOR, if you Component Transfer as a Private or Corporal, you will most likely have to take all of your basic and trade courses again. (Of those you mention, the para course is probably the only one you wouldn't repeat.) During the recruitment process for the Transfer, you will be able to identify which regiment you want to join, and the recruiter will tell you which you are being offered when that offer is presented (which you can then take, or refuse and wait). Once you are in basic infantry training (regular), you will be asked which battalion(s) you would like to go to - and then the Career Manager will send you where the Regiment needs you, which may or may not match your preference.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: caroline65 on August 15, 2004, 16:07:09
When transferring to reg force from the reserve what is the policy on having, or not having to, do BMQ again? Is it based on time in, rank , number of days on class B or on an indivdual basis?


Call a recruiting centre.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Michael O'Leary on August 15, 2004, 16:15:32

Also, you can review the threads under Component Transfer  in the Recruiting FAQ:

http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,17073.0.html
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: platinumfx on August 27, 2004, 12:32:08
Hey dose anybody know how long it takes for a component transfer from the reserves to the regforce? I'm applying for a Sig Op position.   So if anybody knows, or has any information on transfers please let me know. Thanks in advance! :salute:   Ohh and by the way dose anybody know if i'm going to have to redo my Basic and SQ. So one again thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: platinumfx on August 27, 2004, 13:02:16
Hey dose anybody know how long it takes for a component transfer from the reserves to the regforce? I'm applying for a Sig Op position.  So if anybody knows, or has any information on transfers please let me know. Thanks in advance!    Ohh and by the way dose anybody know if i'm going to have to redo my Basic and SQ. So one again thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: carpediem on August 27, 2004, 15:42:16
For me and friends of mine who have component transferred it took (my first time (another story) and is taking) about as long as it would for someone off the street. The main difference I have observed is that the process involves some extra/different steps (like getting your pers file to CFRC). These steps greatly influence the overall time. I was lucky and had great cooperation from my Unit and all the people I came into contact with so things went smoothly. I did have to remain involved and monitor the progress however.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: spenco on August 27, 2004, 15:59:28
FX, have you read the FAQ's? this topic has been discussed in detail before.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Michael O'Leary on August 27, 2004, 22:25:06

Please check the relevant thread links in the Recruiting FAQs.

http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,17073.0.html
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: jordan_o on September 12, 2004, 19:58:16
Alright, I'm not in the CF yet (i hope to be soon :P) but I am looking ahead at my future. My one goal was to join the reserves at 16, and then when I finished highschool, transfer to regular force. This was all good, and I applied to reserves, and am awaiting my medfile to go to Borden. After reading posts, and hearing how long it takes, I was just wondering, is it possible to transfer right after I finish my BIQ (going infantry) if it takes that long before I get to take the course? I mean I'm grade 11 now, and wanted to at least get the ball rolling to get into reg force after I was finished highschool. I checked the FAQ, but didn't find this situation in any of the threads listed.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: GuinnessDrinker on September 18, 2004, 02:52:41
Thank you so much, umm do you have any idea of how long it normaly takes to do a transfer?

It takes FOREVER!!!  Here's something I wrote on another post dealing with component transfer:

Ok.. here goes. I've been going thru this for almost a year now. I have only Class A days. 492 to be exact. I'm doing a component transfer to Regs, and I've been told I must re-do my BMQ which I did on a weekend course Jan04-Jun04. I've also been told by CFRG (via CFRG HQ) that even though I've apllied for Recruit School By-Pass, I've been denied, due to the fact I have only Class A days. What DATES do they use this little formula to make these calculations? I was sworn in in May03 as PTE(0) and now that May04 has passed I'm PTE(1). I've been offered a conditional offer over the phone, so nothing is signed yet. I don't want to re-do BMQ, especially when I was told by recruiting and my unit it will go towards my transfer, which was initiated in Jan04. No one seemed to know of this Class B time requirement in CFRC until this week, and my file has been sitting around for a few months, and I could've done QL3 this summer.

To make matters even more confusing, when and if I do get this whole situation figured out, because of the competition, I have QL6A, and considered a semi-skilled member. This seems to mean nothing to CRFC.

GuinnessDrinker
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: BLACKBERRY(Banned) on September 18, 2004, 03:16:33
I will be transfering into the reg force as a infantry officer when I finish my degree in 18 months. I am doing infantry NCM in the reserves. Should I quit the reserves and start a new file or do a component transfer which one is the better way. Also can you put in for transfer during your last term if you only have three or four courese left so that by the time you graduate in the four month period you would be able to slip quickly into training
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Bob the builder on September 18, 2004, 03:47:28
IVe read alot of posts about how long the process is going to take, and do i get to keep my rank; but , can anyone explain to me who i would go see to start my paper work for my component transfer from R031 to 031.  Should I speak to the recruiting center, or to someone in my regiment?( and if so who?)  I know my training won't be carried over, seeing as I have only completed BMQ.  It's just I was planning to attend college then university while being in the reserves, and switch over after that .  I just realise now that the army is the only thing I want to do, and I want to figure out what my first step is. ( and Im not going to quit and rejoin... Id rather be doing something rather then just sitting at my house waiting for call)

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NavyGrunt on September 18, 2004, 04:01:18
You put in a memorandum to your section sarge. (we call them div po's I don't know what you army types call them)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: pbi on September 18, 2004, 06:52:55
Here's my advice, based on my own transfer to the Regular Army in 1982, after eight years in the Reserve.

It's great that you have some prior service. Don't let that go to your head. While you're going through Recruit and DP1 training work hard, keep your mouth shut, and use your knowledge to help your buddies who aren't doing so well. The staff will quickly see who is squared away and who isn't. Nothing is hated more than some loudmouth former Reservist who keeps yipping off about "Well, when I was in the Humptyville Fusiliers, we didn't do it that way..." Nobody cares what you did.

Mike O'Leary and I know a fellow Inf Offr Candidate who went through with us, but could never keep his mouth shut about his time as a Res Sgt. He had very strong arm muscles by the time the course was over. 'Nuff said. Good luck. Do well. Cheers.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: jordan_o on September 18, 2004, 10:41:26
Yea I asked a similar question a while back, your situation was similar to mine, except I haven't done BMQ yet, but I still have a year and a little bit before I graduate so I'm sure I'll get it done in that time. Do they care if you haven't completed any other training courses in the reserves (SQ, BIQ) before you put in a component transfer?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: BLACKBERRY(Banned) on September 18, 2004, 13:34:54
IF you transfer over as an officer I would think you would have to start trainig from scratch. My question is should you quit the reserves first or do the transfer. I have read on this forum that It can take a year or two to do the component transfer is this true? I would think the corses you do as a ncm would help you in the regs because you have gainied some experince. I also think that when you apply as a officer if you have done well in the resrves it looks good for you. If it makes no difference to them the system is flawed
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: ark on September 18, 2004, 13:45:16
You put in a memorandum to your section sarge. (we call them div po's I don't know what you army types call them)

Yeah or whoever is in charge of you, also do not forget to keep ALL copies of memos/e-mails you send in that regard. It may help you later if things go not as smooth as may have expected.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: meni0n on September 18, 2004, 13:50:01
As I'm doing one now I can tell you it's a bit lenghty process. I've completed everything now so I'm just waiting for my offer so I can tell you how it works. You put in a memo asking for a component transfer and stating what trade you'd like. Then what happend for me I had a interview first with my Sgt then with the SSM. Nothing big just a 5 mins talk if I knew what I was getting into. Then you got alot of paperwork to do. Some at the unit, some my sgt emailed me. Then I did the PT test. Not the step test anymore you do the normal fitness evaluation that is good for a year ( beep test ) . Then my file got sent to CFRC. Until that moment it took about 6-8 weeks to get everything done. I then had to book a   medical at the CFRC. You know that they're always booked so another good wait. Did the medical no biggie. Then to the interview. Whoops, interview available only after my QL3 starts. Call and book after I've come back from kingston. So after coming back and booking an interview and going thru it I'm waiting for the offer. I was told I'd be credited bmq and sq and a very strong possibility my QL3. So I might start right on the job but that's for comms which is a diffirent world from the militia. And all it took was about 5 months to get to this point. Now the wait begins for the offer.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: BLACKBERRY(Banned) on September 18, 2004, 14:44:29
So menion do you think it would be better to do a component transfer instead of quiting the reserve first? I joined the reserves because I thought It would be a bonus on my application when I join the regs as officer
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: meni0n on September 18, 2004, 14:55:37
I'd suggest you do a component and not quit. Quitting and rejoining will take much longer then a transfer.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: MCG on September 18, 2004, 16:14:21
I will be transfering into the reg force as a infantry officer when I finish my degree in 18 months. I am doing infantry NCM in the reserves. Should I quit the reserves and start a new file or do a component transfer?
Do the component transfer.

can you put in for transfer during your last term if you only have three or four courese left so that by the time you graduate in the four month period you would be able to slip quickly into training
You can apply now and provide an updated copy of your university transcripts once they are available.  If this is the route you want to take, you should start now and you might be in before summer phase training starts.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: BLACKBERRY(Banned) on September 18, 2004, 16:43:19
Thank you for your advice. I will apply now and cont in the reserves.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: MCG on September 18, 2004, 17:45:56
More help from the FAQ thread:
Component Transfer to the Reg force: Stories please... (http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,17678.0.html)
Please educate me. (http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,1485.0.html)
Reserve to reg force (http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,16689.0.html)
Can't decide.. (http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,13665.0.html)
Moving from Reserve to Reg (http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,1457.0.html)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Bob the builder on September 18, 2004, 18:10:52
Do you have to repeat all the tests if you did them just back in April of 2004?  Or does time not factor in, and everyone must repeat process?

And I don't know how to do a memo, so I guess I will just go have a chat with my sarge on thursday.  I was hoping I went to someone outside of my chain of command, like someone in recruiting or at CFRC.  It's hard to get papers done when you're only at the armories once a week for a few hours. took 3 weeks just to get my travel claims in. ( so i guess 6 weeks to get Component transfer stuff in ain't to bad)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: meni0n on September 18, 2004, 18:29:35
You'll probably will have to redo all the tests. I'm sure you got someone working full-time at the orderly room and your Sgts do show up at the armoury to work during the week even though you don't. What was good for me was that the clerk that took care of the transfer had a class b at the unit so he was there pretty much full-time so I had no problems contacting him.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: ark on September 18, 2004, 21:50:02
I joined the reserves because I thought It would be a bonus on my application when I join the regs as officer

It will be a bonus as long as you have received positive evaluation reports, otherwise it will certainly harm your application.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: BLACKBERRY(Banned) on September 19, 2004, 05:26:23
Thanks Ark I think that is common sense if you do shitty in anything from working at a gas station to getting poor marks in university it does not make anyone look good. I work hard in the reserves and take it very seriously. A lot of my friends in the reserve treat it like it's some part time rambo camp, but I always make sure that I understand everything and keep my fitness up to par. Anyways, thanks for the advice
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: william on October 21, 2004, 16:38:08
If you wanted to join the reserves and then join the regular force once you were of age
 could you do it and get any benefits in the regular force.    :salute:
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: D-n-A on October 21, 2004, 16:42:39
Yes, you can do a componet transfer from the reserve to the reg force, but it takes awhile. Once your in the reg force, your have medical/dental coverage, etc.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Michael O'Leary on October 21, 2004, 18:47:41

See the threads on Component Transfers in the Recruiting FAQ:

http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,21101.msg103986.html#msg103986
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Bob the builder on November 05, 2004, 16:13:49
Its now November and I have my papers all filled out and ready to hand in... only took 2 days to get my references and everything together, but it took 2 months for my memo to get through.  Only problem now is that I keep getting told I am not allowed into the Orderly room, and I have to give my papers to my cpl (who ignores me or gets mad anytime I mention transfering)
Does anyone know when The OR is open?

and as a private am I allowed to go and give in my papers? because with rememberance day and christmas i figure my paperwork won't even make it to their desk before january if i give it to my cpl.


Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DjC on November 23, 2004, 11:35:04
I am currently on my way to getting into the reserve (in about 2 months) but am already considering possibly going full time. Is there some sort of process I need to go through or any tests? Also, do I decided how long I stay in full time? I remember someone coming to my school and saying its between 2-14 years...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: D-n-A on November 23, 2004, 16:03:45
DjC, first, I don't think you can start a componet transfer untill you have your BMQ completed.

To begin the process, you have to send a memo up your chain of commend saying you want to transfer to the regular force, into whatever trade. Eventually it will get to the BOR an your start the application.


Your first basic engagment in the regular force is 3 years.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DjC on November 23, 2004, 21:07:07
Ok thanks, but thats odd, I remember 2 years on a brochure...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: cihmitb on December 06, 2004, 03:46:54
Hey all, I'm sure this has been asked before but I couldn't find anything on it, so I was wondering how would you switch from reserves to regular and how long would it take and would you have to redo you basic training? and also when you do join the regular forces can you choose where you want to be stationed, like I live in quebec but I would like to be station at petewawa. or does it go by which unit is currently recruiting. thanks all info is very appreciated.


chris
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Michael O'Leary on December 06, 2004, 08:02:20
You will find some information on Component Transfers in the Recruiting FAQ  --  http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,21101.msg103986.html#msg103986
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Bav2002 on December 16, 2004, 21:44:06
I hear the transfering process from reserves to reg force is quite lengthly.  Is it possible to quit the reserves and start the application process all over
again to go reg force?  Has anyone ever done/known somebody who has done this?  Why is the reserves to reg transfer take so damn long!?!?!? 
thanks for the insight guys.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: D-n-A on December 16, 2004, 21:45:53
Yea, but if you quit an than rejoin, it can take just aslong as a componet transfer because they have to do a VFS.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: CF reserves on January 09, 2005, 17:12:45
I am trying to get in the reserves right now but plan to switch to regular force later on. I was just wondering what complications i'd run into and if the switch from reserves to reg would be a lot different. I was also wondering what the vets thought of new guys.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: jmackenzie_15 on January 09, 2005, 17:16:28
I wonder the same thing myself..... im in the reserves now, and would like to establish myself first and get a few courses under my belt first before I try the regforce.One of my main concerns is the general feeling of the regforce guys towards reservists, as from what Ive seen so far, it usually isnt good, and Id hate to be in a place where everybody is alreayd predesposed to not like you =p
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Inch on January 09, 2005, 17:51:22
Well, I can't think of how to sugar coat it so I'll just say it. It's been my experience that if you go Res to Reg and think that you'll be automatically respected and advanced because you spent a 100 days as a reservist, then you'll be in for the shock of your life. Nobody likes a know it all, especially one that only did it on weekends. If you're looking for respect, it helps people to know that you went through the same trials and training that they did.

I'll give you an example that I experienced. When I joined the CF I had 225 hrs of flight time, when I got to Moose Jaw, they "taught" me how to fly again. I just STFU and learned the way they wanted me to learn, I used my experience but never tried to do things the way I had done before. Just because I had done things a certain way as a civvie pilot, didn't mean that I would be doing things that way as a military pilot.

I hope that makes a little sense, you shouldn't have any problems with the transition as long as you don't come off as a jackass know it all minor leaguer.

Cheers
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: CF reserves on January 09, 2005, 18:06:56
I figured that when i went there i'd have to earn there respect anyway and already know that they are better than i am because they get way more practice and better equipment so i'm not going to walk in and start shooting my mouth off. I was also wonder what people think of the grey and simcoe foresters B coy?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: fcseme on January 09, 2005, 21:08:48
i kind of agree with inch, when i went to the reg's it was a different ball game.  even if you tried to hide the fact you are ex reserve, they find out through the grape vine.  just laugh and say you found the light now and wonder what you were thinking then.  It defiinately is a change though.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: jmackenzie_15 on January 09, 2005, 21:19:15
well if thats how it is. I wasnt looking to go into the regs and tell people the right way to do things, obviously they know what theyre doing, so id just listen and take in what they want me to know.How many days in as a reservist do you need before you arent required to repeat SQ and BIQ ?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: fcseme on January 09, 2005, 21:42:12
Well i guess it would depend on where you were comming from.  Were you a combat arms trade? and what quals did you have before?  I was an armored gunner in the reserves, CPL4 with QL4 gunner crse. and I didn't have to do that stuff (SQ, BIQ)  when I went reg force, but just like the annual express tests, even if you were exemt status, your unit could tell you otherwise.  So even if you think you are exempt they can send you anyways.  I also learned (but it was to late for me) that in going regular force, before you sign, that you can bargain with the recruiters on some things.  Ask them "Is this my only option? "  or what quals carry over to the regs etc, time towards promotions etc. They like to leave you with little details. It dosent hurt to try after all you could say no and wait it out or ask thier next in the chain.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: jmackenzie_15 on January 09, 2005, 21:48:43
My trade is a combat arms, Infantry.
My ideal situation would be able to transfer to regs as a corporal and keep as many courses as I can, and not have to repeat any courses.I assume it would probobly take 3-4 years at least in the reserves to do that?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: fcseme on January 09, 2005, 21:57:27
I've seen sgt's in the reserves come in as privates in the regs, but they went from artillery to wpns tech.  And besides, all full days class A, or B I think are counted as 1/2 time, (1/4 for half days) and all class C are 1 for one days when counted for time elidgible for promotion, provided you might also need MOC requirements to back you. But it also counts for pesionable service if you buy you pensionable service back.  Now if you are going from INF to Reg force INF, You may be able to keep Corporal with enough time in, and most quals should carry over.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: D-n-A on January 09, 2005, 21:58:08
If you went from Reserve to Reg infantry, its pretty much a guarentee your have to do the Reg Force BIQ, on my brothers BIQ there was a guy who was a Cpl in a reserve infantry unit, with his jump an recce course, an only his QL2 an Jump qualification carried over into the Regs.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: jmackenzie_15 on January 09, 2005, 22:03:03
wow, how long was he in the reserves for?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: beach_bum on January 09, 2005, 22:06:53
  And besides, all full days class A, or B I think are counted as 1/2 time, (1/4 for half days) and all class C are 1 for one days when counted for time elidgible for promotion,

Actually, Class B and C time count day for day.  Class A time (regardless of how many days you paraded) counts as 1/4 time.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: jmackenzie_15 on January 09, 2005, 22:09:01
so how many days do you need? =p

A friend of mine told me that nomatter what youll have to repeat BIQ as a refresher. =/
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: beach_bum on January 09, 2005, 22:18:03
To keep Cpl on transfer....you would require four years.  That is four years of full time service after the calculation is done.  (counting up all of the B and C svc and 1/4 time Class A)  Even then, you are not guaranteed anything.  Make sense?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Michael O'Leary on January 09, 2005, 22:19:23
It's not quite that simple. You can use the advice above to calculate (roughly) how much time you might be awarded on Component Transfer (CT) towards incentive pay rates and time towards promotion. As far as what rank you would start at and what courses you may have to retake, that will depend on what equivalencies are being recognized at the time and what positions the service is looking to fill with CT candidates.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: jmackenzie_15 on January 09, 2005, 22:27:32
Is it mandatory to take a regforce BIQ course after you transfer?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Michael O'Leary on January 09, 2005, 22:30:15
Yes, if your Verification of Former Service (VFS) conducted as part of the Recruiting process on Component Transfer (CT) says that you do.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: beach_bum on January 09, 2005, 22:31:32
As far as what rank you would start at and what courses you may have to retake, that will depend on what equivalencies are being recognized at the time and what positions the service is looking to fill with CT candidates.


As was stated in the quote above, it depends.   I know that I have seen people do a CT and enter as skilled (meaning they did not have to retake BIQ), though I found that to be rare.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: pbi on January 10, 2005, 05:06:00
I echo Inch 100%. When I transferred to the RegF, I had eight years of Res Service. My policy was to keep my mouth firmly SHUT. The way I used my previous knowledge was to help the guys who were having trouble. No matter how bad the instruction got (and I saw some RegF instructors who, had they worked in my Pl when I was a WO, I would have sacked on the spot...), no matter how much I knew about what was being taught, I bit my tongue. One of my peers, a former Res Sgt, often failed to keep his yap shut and developed quite strong forearms from multiple pushups and running around with his rifle over his head.

(Mike O'Leary knows who I'm talking about.....)

The last thing the instructor (or the other recruits) want to hear is : "Well, when I was in the Royal Numptyville Fusiliers, we didn't do it that way yadda yadda yadda....". Do the best you can by putting your knowledge to good use, and the instructors will recognize your ability.

As for attitudes of people in the RegF: well... they're all humans.  We'll probably never get rid of the Militia-haters, just like we'll never get rid of the Res people who see the Regs as a bunch of drunken layabouts who couldn't get "real" jobs. Cheers, and best of luck.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: MCG on January 10, 2005, 05:19:15
When I completed my training after a component transfer, I had the dubious privilege of wearing a rank that the rest of the course could not have yet achieved.

 . . . the course staff didn't give me the option to  keep my mouth firmly SHUT.  :warstory:
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: CF reserves on January 10, 2005, 18:06:20
jmackenzie_15 what is your regiment right now??
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Thumper115 on January 25, 2005, 10:13:37
 Hey guys. I am considering transfering from Res. to Reg. I am almost done BMQ and will obviously wait untill finished to proceed. I am just wondering if anyone has done a similar transfer and can give me an idea on how long the process takes.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Michael O'Leary on January 25, 2005, 13:26:26
See the threads on Component Transfer in the Recruiting FAQ:

http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,21101.msg103986.html#msg103986
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: MasterPrivate on March 09, 2005, 15:36:35
I don't know how many of the reg force infantry guys check out the recruiting forum, but I will try here first before I go into the other sections of the site...

I am in the reserves, and I just put my component transfer in. I have 5 yrs mo' experience and I want to try doing this for a living, instead of trying to cram a full time job plus endless army time into my schedule. I'm hoping to get 1 or 3PPCLI.

I just have a few basic questions that I wanted to ask...so if any of you reg force infanteers are willing to admit you were once part of the reserves, let me know, and I will let loose with my questioning.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: MCG on March 09, 2005, 15:49:06
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,22924.0.html
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,17678.0.html

or try the search term "Component Transfer"
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: dan476 on March 11, 2005, 12:06:11
Component transfers eh? a pain in the a$$ if you ask me. I started mine a little over 3 years ago. It was a long drag but its almost over. Have been merit listed for 6+ months, but the hope is still there. I have been working at the school for the last 3 years and seen many ex-reservist candidates.
My advice is (1) DO NOT quit reserves.(2) DO NOT turn down courses in waiting for a transfer and (3) DO NOT plan on not taking the courses again.
If you're doing R031 into 031 you will usually get a BMQ by-pass after you have done SQ and BIQ in the reserves.

(1) If you quit reserves that won't do any good to you because of Previous Service Verification, and because your old unit will have to initiate paperwork if you haven't been out for more than 2 years (please correct me if I am wrong on this one but I am 110% sure thats how it is.)

(2) I suggest to everyone who thinks of doing a transfer into 031 never turn down any courses. When you do get to go on Reg SQ and BIQ, keep it down and do what you are told. Help out your friends and don't be a hot shot.

(3) Your courses most likely won't count when you get in the regs but you get the experience that will help you when you are doing the REG Force course. So if you're starting CT around this time of a year and you're being asked to takes SQ/BIQ in the summer TAKE it.

Just my 2 cents
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: kincanucks on March 11, 2005, 22:10:49
DjC, first, I don't think you can start a componet transfer untill you have your BMQ completed.

To begin the process, you have to send a memo up your chain of commend saying you want to transfer to the regular force, into whatever trade. Eventually it will get to the BOR an your start the application.


Your first basic engagment in the regular force is 3 years.

He can start it anytime he wants but he shouldn't expect a glowing recommendation from the CO and if he has completed less thatn 56 Class B days he has to do BMQ anyway.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: TFC Tech on March 12, 2005, 16:35:50
Component transfers eh? a pain in the a$$ if you ask me. I started mine a little over 3 years ago.


It took me a couple months shy of 4 years, two requests for a CT(because the first one went missing) to get my transfer to the regs. My luck started to happen when I went to St-Jean to teach BMQ. My transfer was going nowhere because my file was sitting on someones desk for a long time. My unit wanted me to come back to them but they could not offer me a contract so I stayed in St-Jean and received a lot of help from the chain of command there to push some buttons and make some calls for me and finally a couple months ago I transfered to the regs.

Some transfers take a long time, I think it is because the units do not want to let their "good ones" go, and I have seen some CT's happen in a few months.

For anyone that is taking a long time, My advice to you is to not give up. make sure you track the progress of your file so it does not sit in a drawer somewhere. Get all the contracts you can if you don't have a civi job because remember Class B days are one for one so you will have that many more credited to you when your call comes.                     

Good luck.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Northern Touch on March 13, 2005, 21:00:28
It can be assumed that most people don't want to do courses over again when CTing, but does anybody know if you can actually request to do a course over again, say BMQ? even if your told you don't have to.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: TFC Tech on March 13, 2005, 21:48:31
Why would you want to?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Bob the builder on March 15, 2005, 17:26:20
I have a question about what happens to your papers once they arrive at the recruiting center.  It took me 3 days ,18 phone calls, 5 messages, and talking to 9 different people to find out that my papers were not getting processed yet, but they were there, sitting along with other files since Feb 4th.

I was told to wait out for a phone call when my file gets started processing, but since they are really backed up, it will be some time.

I was just wondering if there was any work needed to be done by the folks in Recruiting center before I was able to book tests? ( does it take awhile to imput file into comp?)
And also what steps do people Component transfering have to do at the Recruiting center? (medical? physica?,etc.)

I will most likely phone the CFRC again, but if i could get some answers here it would really help :)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: kincanucks on March 15, 2005, 17:49:07
I have a question about what happens to your papers once they arrive at the recruiting center.   It took me 3 days ,18 phone calls, 5 messages, and talking to 9 different people to find out that my papers were not getting processed yet, but they were there, sitting along with other files since Feb 4th.

I was told to wait out for a phone call when my file gets started processing, but since they are really backed up, it will be some time.

I was just wondering if there was any work needed to be done by the folks in Recruiting center before I was able to book tests? ( does it take awhile to imput file into comp?)
And also what steps do people Component transfering have to do at the Recruiting center? (medical? physica?,etc.)

I will most likely phone the CFRC again, but if i could get some answers here it would really help :)

Since the last two months the priority has been ROTP and Reserve applications.   Your recruiting centre should be getting around to the other files now.   I know that we are backed up about 65 files and we will do those in April.   What processing has to done for CTs is definitely applicant dependant. Possibly CFAT, a CT medical, an update ERC and an interview and possibly another Express Test.   They may need a qualification assessment done by the applicable school and that will take a while.   Once everything is done then they will merit be listed.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Bob the builder on March 15, 2005, 20:43:41
thank you very much for the reply, exactly what I wanted to know.

Heres to hoping I have tests waiting for me when I return from Cougar Salvo over spring break.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Infantry_ on August 28, 2005, 20:53:02
I put my transfer in almost a year now, and I've done all the testing I'm just waiting for a unit to pick me up, but I still Haven't  heard anything, I've phoned my recruiter various times and I've had no help, does anyone have any advice or know how long it took them?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: *CDN*Blackhawk on August 28, 2005, 21:09:04
all i can say is, it takes along time for the transfer to go through, I have met alot of ex reservists lately who have transfered to the regs and they all said the same thing, they wait a long time. hope you here somthing soon, good luck!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: D-n-A on August 30, 2005, 16:13:39
So, just got the call from the career counselor at CFRC Det Edmonton, because I scored V4 for vision I can't go into a combat arms MOC (my first choice was armour) and apparently my two other choices (supply tech and mse op) are pretty competetive an I might have to wait awhile to get into those trades. So he said some other army trades that I qualify for, an ones that can get me into a combat arms unit(I'm hoping I can get into PPCLI), and I did well on my apptitude test so I got offered Signals Operator. So shoulden't be to much longer(maybe a week) untill I get called in to sign my contract, etc an leave for my training. My componet transfer just took 10 months which I'm happy about, especially since I started my transfer a couple months after a friend of mine an he's still waiting on his(he's  going infantry).

I might have to redo basic though, since I'm a few days sort of the required amount for recruit school bypass, not something I really wanted to redo, but whatever.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Fdtrucker on August 31, 2005, 02:35:51
Congrats on your future Componet Transfer, the most important part of it will be your TCP the CFRC will be giving you. This will depend how much Class A/B/C time you have in the Primary reserves that will count to you getting your Cpl's (and a higher pay  raise). This will depend on the time you spent in the Reserves.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Infantry_ on September 05, 2005, 12:27:25
also does anybody know if i have to exchange my kit? I've heard by people that when you transfer you turn in your kit and get re-issued
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: kincanucks on September 05, 2005, 13:02:23
also does anybody know if i have to exchange my kit? I've heard by people that when you transfer you turn in your kit and get re-issued

If you are staying in the same element than you keep your issued kit except for any regimental/unit specific kit issue
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: civvy3840 on September 05, 2005, 13:07:55
Not trying to hijack but would it be faster to just leave the reserves and reapply for the regs?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: HCA123 on September 05, 2005, 13:08:22
You'll have to return all your 'unit kit' - ruck, snow shoes, sleeping bags, bivie bag, gortex socks, etc. At my base supply (where I got my DEU's, combats, etc) they let me keep anything I wanted to. It'll just stay on your docs. It all depends on who you get at the counter though, I've had friends who have returned everything and then kicked themselves when they heard they could have held onto their CADPAT and gortex gear (jacket, gloves, boots). The guy I had didn't care what I kept and if anyone tells you differently you may want to investigate it further.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Infantry_ on September 05, 2005, 13:12:21
nice  i  look in to it thanks i hope i get to keep pretty much everything it would be easier that way, as for quiting and re-applying you have to wait a  year anyway, and this way i won't have to redo BMQ and possible SQ as far as i know i think i just have to do Battle school over again
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: StormTrooper on September 17, 2005, 16:38:20
I understand that this topic has been thoroughly discussed, but I wasn't able to come across a post which properly answered my questions. I am joining the Queen's Own Rifles (Reserves). I gave in my application form over 2 years ago, and I've been waiting ever since (mostly because of the background check). I've already completed the CFAT, Medical, the interview, and my PT is coming up in 2 weeks. My situation now is that this is my last year in school, and I was hoping to switch from reserves to the regular forces right after I got my high school diploma. But as I understand, it can be a real pain in the neck.

Now, I'm not sure about my options. Would I have to go through cfat, medical, interview, and pt all over again? How long does this precedure usually take? When do you recommend me to apply? If I got accepted before I finished school, is there any way I can postpone it for a couple of weeks? And finally, if I understood it correctly, I will only be able to transfer from reserves to the regulars if I complete the bmq in the reserves, do you think it would be better for me to just apply for the regulars now, before getting into the reserves or should I complete bmq in the reserves and then apply?

Those are all the questions I can think of now. I would really appreciate it if somebody could clear this up for me. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: BernDawg on September 17, 2005, 16:43:29
Stormtrooper, I am no expert on the recruiting process (especially in the reserves) but you should go and talk to a reg force recruiter asap and ask all your questions to them.  That is what they are there for.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: D-n-A on September 17, 2005, 16:46:20
If you want to be in the regs after school, than tell the CFRC you no longer wish to join the reserve an you want to change to reg force. If you get into the reserve, you can't do a componet transfer untill you have atleast your BMQ completed. And a componet transfer can take a year. You might have to redo your testing, depends if your results have expired or not.


Best thing to do is call your CFRC an explain this to them an ask them any questions you have.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: North Star on September 19, 2005, 19:14:14
Hello,

Just finished a stint as a Military Career Counsellor, and will try to give you a hand with this one. The recruiting process changes all the time so some of this info may be dated, so it's best to check with a clerk/MCC at a CFRC....

1) CFAT is good for 5 years. If you want to go into a trade with a cutoff threshold higher than what you scored, you may rewrite 3 months after the original testing date if the CFRC so chooses to let you. Careful - after the first rewrite the policies governing retesting are very strict and rewrites seldom granted.

2) Medical is good for one year, with the clock starting from the Recruiting Medical Officer's OK (Ph III med). In cases of CT, your last medical by a CF doctor is valid for 5 years depending on your age.

3) Interview is good for 6 months, extended for another 6 months after an "update" interview done over the phone(it's been awhile, so this may be a bit inaccurate). To tell you the truth, the update if done for your advantage - it's to see if you've grown as an applicant and focused your life more towards the military. It's very rare a candidate's score will drop. However, if you apply for a new trade and/or change your desired component (Res to Reg) you should be called in ad re-interviewed as the obligations and terms of service are completely different.

4) PT. 6 months. If you fail it, you can be retested at anytime but you need to pay for it.

Some additional points, one or two of which may ignite a firestorm:

1) Each CFRC is a little different. The "steps" and "standards" are mandated by recruiting group, but the order of application is dictated by the CO of the centre in question ot best utilize local resources. CFRC Hamilton used to do the PT test AFTER an offer was cut, whereas CFRC Toronto did it up front after the CFAT because they had a bad shortage of MCCs. Some CFRCs use "Stations" where clerks have specific functions relating to a file that lands ont their desk(ERCs, etc) whereas others have "case managers" who follow a file from begining to end. It's not my place to say which system is best. Talk to someone at your recruiting centre about how your file "moves" so you can best track it.

2) The CT process is getting better. One huge flaw was the requirement for the CFRC to wait until a recommendation came from the applicant's reserve CO. This made it so CT files would languish in a unit as more "important" paperwork was done (note the sarcasm). Now, if the CFRC doesn't hear anything from the unit in 2 weeks, it's assumed the reserve CO concurs and the process initiated. That being said, if you have not completed BMQ yet don't even think of CT'ing....it's alot easier to come from the street to the Regs as there are fewer record checks, PLARs, etc involved.

3) You cannot delay an offer. You could turn it down and reapply immediately afterwards, but your file would be reboarded, etc. Stuff would stale-date and you'd need to do some things over. That being said, the date your offer starts is different from your reporting date. When you enrol in the Reg F, you may be put on Leave Without Pay (LWOP) until the begining of a course for you. However, Usually that period of time is minimized.

4) The recruiting process for NCMs can be very fast if there are no hiccups. I once saw someone get in in 6 weeks. The problem is, all the stars need to be aligned (apply to the proper trade at the right time) and no problems encountered. A criminal record will slow things down greatly, as the CFRC may need to consult higher HQ, consult CPIC, etc. Collections will need to be substantiated as paid, etc. Officers apps can be agonizingly slow, depending on the trade, how the branch manages its vacancies, and the availability of courses.

Hope this helps. The best thing I can advise is GET TO KNOW A CLERK. MCCs are overall responsible for the process, but are often fixated on people with problems or on conducting their interviews. When I was at CFRG I was doing 5-6 NCM interviews a day and didn't really have time to watch files get processed. The clerks are the guys doing the processing work and will know the centre's procedures inside and out.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: StormTrooper on September 21, 2005, 14:09:22
Thanks for the replies. This is just an update; I talked to a recruiter at the RC yesterday, and he told me that I should finish the bmq in the reserves first, and gave me a lot of reasons for it. Also, he said that the component transfer shouldn't be a problem as long as I stick with the same trade as I will be doing in the reserves (Infantry). I passed my pt today, and I guess I am gonna spend the following week waiting for someone to call me from the recruiting centre  ;D
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Part-Timer on September 21, 2005, 16:36:46
If you're done all the testing, then your file should be passed to the QOR, and they should be calling you to arrange an enrollment date. Congratulations, you're joining a fine regiment! BTW, North Star, your info is still pretty much up to date WRT CT.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: North Star on September 23, 2005, 21:30:29
Heya Cpl,

Just finished a CT myself from R23A (infantry officer) to 82U (Int).

Here's the skinny:

1) It took me 18 months to transfer. It was long for me b/c I had an item on my med-file that the Recruiting Medical Officer freaked out about and required a series of letters from DCIEM to clarify, and also b/c I picked an occupation that is very small and selective.

2) You will have to return all your unit kit. So if you signed for it from your QM (not ASU Clothing stores) you have to collect it and give it back. Have your QM copy your TI cards for you, put the stuff in a bag, and when you get the call make an appointment at your unit to turn it in.

3) DO NOT QUIT. If you quit, your file changes from being a CT file to Forcer Svc, which will freak out recruitiing clerks and result in long delays. You will also have to turn in all your CF issue-kit (ASU Stuff) and if you can't return it all, you'll have to pay for it before they'll fully release you. Whilst in that "grey-zone" of in-but-not, the CF can't enrol you again.

4) The only time in a CT where you'll have to turn in significant amounts of CF kit is if you change environments (e.i. land to air). So stay Army!

Good luck with the CT, and remember to be patient.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Bryan on September 23, 2005, 22:32:48
I just completed a component transfer from Reserve Musician (army) to Reg force Infantry. I got called and am going to basic Oct. 31. From when I started my component transfer to the date I was called was about 9 months. That seems fast compared to some stories I've heard. In my case I had to return all kit. It may have been different since I moved in the middle of my component transfer.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Diver Down on September 25, 2005, 15:56:02
Same here .. Times are varied for getting in depending on the trade you selected and when selections / courses are scheduled to begin.

I began the process of Component transfer in October of 2004 and was selected on the Sep 5 2005 selection board.  AVN Tech Recruit School By-Pass.

Honestly, the best and most effective way of moving things along is to ensure you stay on top of all your paperwork and the recruiting centre. 

The CDS and ensured Reservists that they will be priority on completing component transfers and all redundancies will be eliminated (Such as re-applying for security clearances, up to date medicals having to be re-done etc..)  This should also ensure a more speedy process.

Good luck and hope this helps.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Bob the builder on September 25, 2005, 17:25:00
Hi

Just thought Id post my experiences, I started my CT in September 04, and got course slotted August 20 something. I was 031(R) transferring to 031,
When I had to do my outclearance , i had to turn in all of my non- next to body clothing. So i got to keep, socks, underwears, polypro, shirts, boots, gloves, and some other random items, Nothing left on my clothing docs, I'm happy because i don't have to find a way to bring 8 bags of clothing to Wainright, especially since none of the clothes, or boots were the right size.

Now the weird part is, I was accepted for BMQ in Borden Oct 3rd, but because I'm fully trained with 1 year in, I was told They turned it down, and got me RSBP instead, and now I'm leaving Nov. 15th , and then most likely starting BIQ in January, I assume. Straight off Civvie street into PAT platoon lol.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: elminister on October 20, 2005, 00:16:39
I want to start my CT (component transfer) but I'm a bit afraid.

1. I don't want to start then my unit not willing to put me on courses or tasking because I decided to go Reg.
2. I have a class B coming up in 3 weeks and not sure if I can still be on this and start my CT.

I am a PRes medic and wish to stay in the same trade. Can anyone offer some advice?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: ArmyVern on October 20, 2005, 00:19:43
I want to start my CT (component transfer) but I'm a bit afraid.

2. I have a class B coming up in 3 weeks and not sure if I can still be on this and start my CT.

I am a PRes medic and wish to stay in the same trade. Can anyone offer some advice?

I had a Res on Class B working for me this past winter and he visited the Recruiting Center here and initiated his CT while he was on his call-out....now he's posted here!!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Enfield on January 26, 2006, 07:56:41
Just trying to clarify a rumour I've heard... Is there a recent CANFORGEN out relating to Component Transfers? A friend of mine (who has little knowledge of CF administration or CT's) swears that there is a recent CANFORGEN that has info and direction on appeals to the CDS with CT's that are dragging out.

Confirmation?

Cheers
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Michael O'Leary on January 26, 2006, 08:30:46
A few results from Google:

CF Personnel newsletter 
Issue 11/05 – 16 November 2005
http://www.forces.gc.ca/hr/cfpn/engraph/11_05/11_05_dmhrr_component-trans_e.asp
Makes reference to CANFORGEN 134/05 (Intranet).

DAOD 5002-3, Component and Sub-Component Transfer
http://tinyurl.com/8l7tq

CANFORGEN 200/05 ADM(HR-MIL) 105 231243Z DEC 05
COMPONENT TRANSFER - TARGETED ATTRACTION PROGRAM
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=38049.new

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Meadus on January 29, 2006, 22:32:07
First off I'd like to say I searched for this topic and had not found it so i decided to post a new topic.

If I join the reserves for a few years until I'm finished school and college and switch to Reg Force would I:
1) Keep qualifications or have to renew/re-due the courses etc..
2) Keep my rank should I happen receive while enrolled as a reservist.
3) Is it true I can receive credit for a military pension for time served it the reserves to reg force.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Bender842 on January 29, 2006, 22:46:57
I hope you're not an english major ;), but joke aside.

Your qualification are transferable to the reg force but then again there might be exceptions depending on the trade you would have to verify with the recruiting office for that one.

You will not keep your rank at best you will be corporal in the reg force. Otherwise they will calculate how your reservist time is worth in a reg force setting and give you your rank accordingly

If you haven't paid for pension so far you will be able to buy back your years so that they count toward your retirement *that will be done once your in a reg force unit and you will have to see your ordely room for that*
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on January 29, 2006, 22:52:29
Answers:

1)     Depending on when and where you get qualified on a Course.  Some Courses do not keep their qualifications for more than a year.  Some are good for Life.  Some are to Regular Force standards and are recorded as such.  Some are not.

2)     It is not very likely that you will keep your rank.

3)     Yes it is true that you can receive credit for your Reserve time towards your CF Pension.  You can claim and Pay back monies for Reserve Time.  You will get 1/4 time for your Class A time.  If you do any Class C time, it is counted as Full Time.  In the end it isn't too much and remember that you have to buy that time towards your pension.  You will have to see your Pay Clerk and they will make the deductions from your pay.  It is best to do that as soon as you join, rather than later when you have been promoted to a higher Pay Scale.

Clear as Mud....Right!  
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: the 48th regulator on January 29, 2006, 22:53:43
Hi Meadus,

Give this link  (http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,22924.0.html)a try, hopefully there are som more answers tot any other questions.

dileas

tess

(Dang George...you beat me to it...I will just post a suggestive link..)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Meadus on January 30, 2006, 16:40:28
Thank you everybody my questions are answered.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Dave87c on February 02, 2006, 21:35:49
It also depends on your course and location I guess, I just spoke to my Sarg. at the CFRC. I'm doing my BMQ/SQ Through my Co-Op program..Which is the Reserves. However The Lorne Scots dont have a weapons tech..and thats what im going for..so he has assured me that it will take no more then a few weeks.. a month max because of the openings for Wep Tech. And seeing as everything has gone faily quick for me, a month from my application to call for basic training..hel-l even my medical came back in 3 days..so again it might depend on the location. :)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: sock2323 on March 11, 2006, 02:04:20
Is a stupid question but, can i get back into the CF after dropping out of the reserve for a couple years then going back into the regs?Would it be a big hassle ?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: bobthebui|der on March 11, 2006, 02:12:48
If you simply quit on good terms, all it should mean is a little more time on the Recruiting process, as they will have to dig up prior service records and the like.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Ditch on March 11, 2006, 03:21:31
Ok - time to answer the question and to support Shortbus' statement.

If you wish to re-enroll in the CF after leaving, it may take a little longer in the recruiting process due to the time required to dig out your VFS (Verification of Former Service).  This document has been known to delay a person's file - in the case of a civilian, this delay would not be imposed.

 Is that clear enough for you Mr. 1qaz1qaz? (original name BTW, try QWERTY next time) :)

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: WinterJet on March 11, 2006, 07:02:32
When I was 16 I joined the Reserves. Thinking it to be incredibly easy I went to BMQ having done very little preperation and after about a week was physically and mentally exhausted and requested to drop off the course. When I got back to the unit I was told I'd be removed from the Forces and I could try again in a few years. I don't believe the process to remove me was ever followed through with because I never had to turn in my military ID, and I've been receiving tax forms and such from the CF ever since.

Anyway, it's two years on, I'm in what I believe is great shape, I'm a lot more mature and I believe myself ready for the challenge and would like to join the reg force for the next few years so I can serve my country and get some world experience prior to heading to university. Would this be possible after a rough first go around? If I am still technically in what would I do, would I request a transfer or would I need to go through the process again? If I'm not still in how much more challenging would the process be to prove my being worth the effort?

Thanks all
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: SHELLDRAKE!! on March 11, 2006, 07:41:27
 I reccommend that you go back to the reserve unit and speak to the unit clerk. He/She will tell you what your status is and let you know everything you can do to apply for the regs. Im pretty sure that after two years you would have been released from the unit but start your inquiries with the unit.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: mondo on March 15, 2006, 00:53:09
Hi everyone,

I'm relevantly new to posting on this forum, so take it easy on me. I hope I can get some accurate information on a timeline for a component transfer. I'm trying to get into the MP's (NCM MP) I have an accredited diploma in the Criminal Justice field (and I'm working towards a Degree.)

Talked to a friendly recruiter from CFB Calgary today and said I would be looking at anywheres from 3 - 6 months. Is this accurate? I'd like to start to plan ahead as I have other applicants with municipal forces on the go as well.

Thanks in advance

Ubique
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: kincanucks on March 15, 2006, 01:57:19
Hi everyone,

I'm relevantly new to posting on this forum, so take it easy on me. I hope I can get some accurate information on a timeline for a component transfer. I'm trying to get into the MP's (NCM MP) I have an accredited diploma in the Criminal Justice field (and I'm working towards a Degree.)

Talked to a friendly recruiter from CFB Calgary today and said I would be looking at anywheres from 3 - 6 months. Is this accurate? I'd like to start to plan ahead as I have other applicants with municipal forces on the go as well.

Thanks in advance

Ubique

Right now there are no positions for MPs for FY 06/07 and there is an unconfirmed MPAC in Sept 06.  With a possible pre-MPAC selection in Aug/beginning Sept you do the math.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Xoshua on April 21, 2006, 17:43:04
Ok heres my situation...  I am 16 years of age, I turn 17 in May.  I currently enrolled Reserve forces, but I was wondering if I could transfer to Rag as soon as I turn 17?  My highschool is almost done, but no exactly...  I haven't been sworn in but I was wondering, is it possible to transfer over?  I know there is ups and downs, I also know finish highschool...  See I want to join, then maybe in a few years finish my last year of highschool.  Now your asking why not just stay and finish?  Well its complicated...  See I live a good life and all its just, why have the age requirment 17 if you don't graduate until your 18/19?  Let's just say, I could get in without finishing grade 12, what should I do and how long would it take to begin BMQ? 


Thank you, Joshua Allen
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: MikeL on April 21, 2006, 17:44:32
After you have your BMQ completed you can start a componet transfer. But they are not a quick an easy thing, mine took 16-17 months to go through.

Theres a thread on componet transfers, might want to check that out.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: BernDawg on April 22, 2006, 10:24:29
Josh: 
FINISH HIGH SCHOOL!!
   If you don't it will bite your a$$ for the rest of your career.  Take the time now and it will pay divedends in the future.  Good Luck.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: kratz on June 07, 2006, 19:23:09
I have searched the board for topics answering the process of PReserve applying/transferring into the Regular force. We could not find an answer near our question.

The question: With changes from CFRG to streamline transfers or applications of Reservists into the Regular Force there had been allot of message traffic stating some intended improvements. Since a reservist was already part of the service and had a current fitness test, the intent of the streamlined process was to not require another EXPRESS test, medical exam, and/or security clearance. This streamlined process was to cut down the "wait time" between a transfer.

I know someone with an application to transfer to the RegF and she is on her PLQ. The CFCR automatically scheduled the whole recruiting process, including interviews and exams DURING her course, without prior consultation. If she turns down the interviews or any part of her application, her transfer is delayed again. If she takes time out of her career course, which is the same standard as RegF, she loses out with her reserve career if she does not get accepted into the RegF.

To boil down the question, why is one CFRC demanding more than the standard stated in the messages that we can all read?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: airmich on June 07, 2006, 19:31:26
I currently have in a CT from PRes to RegF, and have had no problems with the scheduling of anything.  CFRC has been very accomodating with working everything around my sailing schedule.  As for testing, I have had to redo my PT test and medical, only because they were not current.  Otherwise, I only required the CFAT and interview.

I am assuming here that your friend has already called CFRC to explain why she is unable to make these appointments?  If she hasn't, she needs to get ahold of them and explain the situation.  If she has, and not had any luck, she needs to go higher and talk to someone else.  And/or use her divisional system, either through her normal place of work, or through PLQ school.

As for the delay, that is going to have to be expected if your friend wishes to complete her career course.  If I was in the situation, I would get through the course, and have all recruiting stuff scheduled for as soon after completion as possible.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: kincanucks on June 07, 2006, 23:02:12
If she turns down the interviews or any part of her application, her transfer is delayed again.

WTF?  If she isn't available to be processing in the first place how does the scheduling delay her transfer?  CFRC/Ds calls the applicant to book the appointments and if the applicant is not available then they reschedule.  You make it sound like the CFRC/D is saying take this or take nothing.  If she can't make it now then yes her file goes back in the queue and that is just a fact of life in recruiting because no one else is going to get bumped for her.  Of course she has a choice doesn't she?  She can be processed now or she can take her PLQ and be processed later.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: 17thRecceSgt on June 09, 2006, 00:58:03
Kratz,

Not denying anything you are saying, cause how would I know but...I am in the midst of a CT from PRes to Reg Frce ATIS Tech, via the same CFRC.  I had no issue with them.  They contacted me at work and also sent me a letter home, to make sure I was avail. for the CFAT/medical/interview, all in one morning.  Nothing but kudo's for the Halifax CFRC staff from me.  I can't see why there would be such a big deal for her to finish PLQ and THEN get in for the required steps.

Maybe this is just some crossed wires, the CFRC knew I was Class B (a) at the HQ and were nothing but..helpful and professional throughout (fyi, I just did the CFAT/med/interview yesterday, and put my CT request in less than 3 weeks ago and POOF I am done)

Mud
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: pylon on June 09, 2006, 21:49:46
hey guys,

Long time reader, first time poster...

Am in the same boat with my CT in place, waiting to hear on int/cfat... hopefully before the board on the 23rd.

Just a thought on the original posting.  Your friend put in her CT while on crse. If she didn't want to miss time on her PLQ, why not wait until it was over????  Once CFRC is instructed to do something, they're like a fat kid on a smartie....nothing is going to stop them.

Again, just a thought.

Here's to making the Image tech crse.... I hope.. 

kc

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: kincanucks on June 09, 2006, 23:20:29
Once CFRC is instructed to do something, they're like a fat kid on a smartie....nothing is going to stop them.

*Deleted*

I will give him the benefit of doubt.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: 17thRecceSgt on June 09, 2006, 23:26:11
Once CFRC is instructed to do something, they're like a fat kid on a smartie....nothing is going to stop them.

Oh good another Hammerhead we are so blessed.

I think he meant to say "they will do their best"

 :-\
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: pylon on June 10, 2006, 13:10:24
Mud,

Thanks for the interpretation...

If I did offend anyone with the backhanded compliment, I apologize.  I think my CFRC det is doing a great job.


kc
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: kratz on June 11, 2006, 22:10:47
Thank you to kincanucks  and all who posted.

The DS staff on her PLQ have been as helpful as possible without jepordizing her course. This has been the largest concern since this item has started.

Your comments have been appreciated and open up some feedback for others who may have had simular questions.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Bandittheone on June 14, 2006, 21:33:13
I will be doing my QL5(SECT 2IC) course this summer and I am going to put my papers in fro a transfer to regular force engineers in the fall...and my primary concern is what courses I will have to retake. Some of the people I've talked to insist that I would have to do everything over again, including BMQ, others say I would just do the engineer QL5(which makes sense because Res QL3 and QL5 is what is mostly what makes up Reg force's QL3(or so I've been told))

1)Anyone know what is likely to happen?

2)Also, could anyone give me an ETA on the time the transfer will take?(plus any tips to help speed up the process)

Thanks, and CHIMO ;D
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: 17thRecceSgt on June 18, 2006, 15:32:17
My advice is.

1.  Ask your CFRC is there is a CT checklist to follow (i.e. what documents you need, etc).
2.  Follow the checklist.
3.  Hand in your application complete, all at once.

I did it that way, and was less than 2 weeks getting my CFAT/medical (I am going to a different MOC), and 'targetted' interview.

As for what courses you will do, that should come with the job offer, but the MCC can probably give you a good idea.  Not sure how the Engr world works, if there is no huge delta in PO's between the PRes QL3 and QL5, and Reg Frce QL3 (DP1, whatever it is called now), they may give you the qual for Reg Frce 3's.  I can't see you doing BMQ/Sq again, but hey, you never know.

If there is a checklist, follow it, hand in complete application all at once.  My 2 cents.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: lizbobiz79 on January 05, 2007, 15:22:23
Hello,

I am looking at doing a Component Transfer from the reserves to the Reg. force and was wondering two things.

Is it better to do a CT before or after your threes? I have yet to obtain my full threes course and was wondering if it would be easier just to go reg. force and get it in there. I have been told that the more trained you are, the longer it takes for a CT to go through. However, from reading some of the threads on here, it seems like it's based on how well you keep on top of the ball and a little bit of luck.

I have also heard that it's better to wait until April (posting season, start of the new fiscal year) to put in for a CT because that's when most of the trades will open up again. Can anyone confirm this (or tell me I'm crazy)?

Thanks for your help,

Lizbobiz79
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: airmich on January 05, 2007, 15:30:21
Hello,

I am looking at doing a Component Transfer from the reserves to the Reg. force and was wondering two things.

Is it better to do a CT before or after your threes? I have yet to obtain my full threes course and was wondering if it would be easier just to go reg. force and get it in there. I have been told that the more trained you are, the longer it takes for a CT to go through. However, from reading some of the threads on here, it seems like it's based on how well you keep on top of the ball and a little bit of luck.

I have also heard that it's better to wait until April (posting season, start of the new fiscal year) to put in for a CT because that's when most of the trades will open up again. Can anyone confirm this (or tell me I'm crazy)?

Thanks for your help,

Lizbobiz79

You're crazy.  Does that help?  ;D

First of all, are you doing just a component transfer (from reserve to reg) or also an OT (changing occupation)?  You didn't state what you are going from and to.

My personal opinion, put your CT in now.  Why waste time if this is what you want to do.  IF you happen to get your 3's before your transfer, all the better for you, if not, well you'll get it when you transfer.

The length of time that a CT takes has nothing to do with your current qualifications.  The time has to do with all of the regular recruiting process.  If your aptitude test, PT test, medical, are out of date, you will have to redo them.  You will have to go through an interview, etc.

As for the comment on waiting until April, refer to what I said above.  Put your application in now!  The only reason why you wouldn't apply now is if the trade you want is closed.  In that case, ask CFRC if they know when it will be open again, and what you can do in the meantime.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Quiet Riot on January 05, 2007, 15:33:44
My CT has taken me almost 2 years, but I went to a different trade in the reg. force.    And about waiting for your 3's, if you're going into the same trade your unit might send you on it and might not.  I was offered my 5's course till they figured out I was going to a different trade.  I don't think it matters if you wait till April, might even be better to get the ball rolling as soon as possible.  Also, as a courtesy to your unit you might want to let them know your plans.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: lizbobiz79 on January 05, 2007, 18:58:02
I am looking to stay in the same trade (RMS Clerk), so hopefully that will keep the time down...What is holding me back from going in on Monday and telling my unit I want to CT is that there's a three's course that is supposed to be running at the end of the month and I'm on it. My concern is that they will pull me off the course.It has been a VERY frustrating process to get my threes and I want to be qualified (and not to mention, be able to wear the log cap badge and not the cornflake).

Airmich, thanks for confirming I'm crazy  ;)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: airmich on January 05, 2007, 19:05:08
Although it is not required to tell your unit about your CT, it is a good idea to keep them in the loop.  Especially seeing as how they would find out when they are asked to write a letter of recommendation for you.

My suggestion then is to go into CFRC on Monday and ask about a CT.  You will most likely be RSBP, and there could be a chance that they can get you on the same 3's course, or one soon afterwards, if not before.  And explain your situation to them, that's what they are there for.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: lizbobiz79 on January 05, 2007, 19:17:07
Thanks Airmich, I will definitely let my unit what is going on and try to get down to the CFRC as soon as I can. I have over the 56 days of Class B required to bypass Recruit School and have been working at a reg. force unit for the past two months (on class B until July), so I am pretty sure I'd be RSBP.

Thanks Quiet Riot, you must be very patient to wait two years. I'm glad it happened for you.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Mr. Bumpy on January 05, 2007, 20:03:12
Two years same trade, a lot of smokes and puched holes in the wall...












But sure worth the wait...


Look that the pay check... holy ****!    ;D
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: aesop081 on January 05, 2007, 20:05:21



Look that the pay check... holy ****!    ;D

 :rofl:

I'll see your paycheck and raise you mine !!!!

Spec 1 pay group is great
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: SoF on January 05, 2007, 20:27:58
Hello,

I am looking at doing a Component Transfer from the reserves to the Reg. force and was wondering two things.

Is it better to do a CT before or after your threes? I have yet to obtain my full threes course and was wondering if it would be easier just to go reg. force and get it in there. I have been told that the more trained you are, the longer it takes for a CT to go through. However, from reading some of the threads on here, it seems like it's based on how well you keep on top of the ball and a little bit of luck.

I have also heard that it's better to wait until April (posting season, start of the new fiscal year) to put in for a CT because that's when most of the trades will open up again. Can anyone confirm this (or tell me I'm crazy)?

Thanks for your help,

Lizbobiz79

I put in my ct (res to reg) close to 2 months ago and am still waiting. I'v done an interview and a medical update and currently waiting to be merit listed.  I'v done basic in the reserves and was considering doing my 1s before transfering but decided not to because the course wont start till April and I don't want to sit around till then. While the choice is upto you I agree with Mich that you should go to the recruiting centre and run your problem by them, perhaps they can work something out for you. Whatever you decision is good luck to you :)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: airmich on January 05, 2007, 20:41:37
Good decision on your part SoF, not to wait.  The reserve Comm 1's is not equal to the reg 3's at all.  There are people that have just CT'd to reg comm who were P2's and only because of their position and time in were they granted their 3's course.  And they had to fight for that.  Good luck for your transfer!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Mr. Bumpy on January 05, 2007, 21:30:57
:rofl:

I'll see your paycheck and raise you mine !!!!

Spec 1 pay group is great

I think may be... just may be my PLD may match you.  ;D
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: lizbobiz79 on January 06, 2007, 00:24:17
SoF - did you have to do a PT test? I know that they have changed things for the new recruits, but I'm unsure on the CT side of things (I have  done an express test in the past couple of months).

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: airmich on January 06, 2007, 00:33:27
You need a current PT test for your CT.  The new policy that is in place is for new recruits only.  As a serving member, you are required to have it annually and therefore you need a current.  Just remember that it goes by fiscal year, so if your CT goes over into April, they will most likely make you do a new one!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: SoF on January 08, 2007, 17:28:36
SoF - did you have to do a PT test? I know that they have changed things for the new recruits, but I'm unsure on the CT side of things (I have  done an express test in the past couple of months).

Nope I didn't have to do a pt test for my ct; my last pt test was this summer.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: pte.wolowidnyk on January 08, 2007, 17:50:46
i put in my component transfer from reserve infantry to reg force combat engineer at the end of march and had a offer by late june, it may have gone by so fast because the engineers are so hurting for people, i was also told component transfers were going faster now then they were in the past, another bit of info the recruiters told me was that depends on how much TI you have would depend on how long your transfer would takesince it wold take longer to decide on what courses would still be granted, for example a friend handed in his component transfer and was told it would be a quick process for transfering from res infantry to reg infantry but since he had 6 years TI and 2 tours it ended up taking close to a year
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: JDMCRX on January 10, 2007, 13:04:16
I have now been waiting since feb 2006 for my transfer from VTECH 411 as a PRES to PHTECH as reg force.

Just curious as to how long it has taken others.

I know that this is not a high in demand trade but??
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: poko on January 10, 2007, 13:24:15
I took me about a year or so you should get some new soon. Give them a call see what going on with your file.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: mysteriousmind on January 10, 2007, 13:49:09
It has been 366 days and counting for a transfer from CIC to Pres...


And I was told today that I would get my offer withing the next 2 weeks.


Hope its the same to you :)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: 17thRecceSgt on January 10, 2007, 13:49:35
Applied for CT to 226 in early May '06.  CFAT/Med/Interview June '06.  File selected Nov 06.

 ;D

Remember, you are competing with others for an offer in a MOC.  I wonder if Image Tech is above PML?  Did you receive anything at all, like...PLAR results??
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: mysteriousmind on January 10, 2007, 13:58:23
yes we are competing against other people...but...in my case there are several position open at mmy res unit.


why does it take so long? I could give you a 100 reasons....but the good one would be.... All I know it is worth the wait. I cannot wait do "decomission" and becom PRes NCM and start with new challenge...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: JDMCRX on January 10, 2007, 14:31:34
So I am not the only one in this boat .

Thanks guys hope everyone gets in soon.

I know this tho there is 1 pos every 6 weeks for my trade so thats probly why.

Josh
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: SoF on January 11, 2007, 02:05:54
I put in a ct from the naval reserves to reg force navy on nov.7,06 and I'm still waiting. To date I have been told I should receive an offer in about 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Bosavn on January 11, 2007, 07:43:42
I'm waiting on a transfer too (Naval Res to Reg AF), I'm going in as an AVN Tech and was wondering if anyone knew when the courses for that trade were starting?  I was told that they would be starting some time in September because of the basic training courses finishing a little before that.  If that's the case, do you think they would call sooner and have me as PAT until the course started, or just call me shortly before the course begins? 
Thanks.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: airmich on January 11, 2007, 07:50:32
I too transferred from NavRes to AF.  I put my application in on 31 Mar 06 and officially transferred on 6 Dec 06.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Bosavn on January 11, 2007, 07:52:39
Did they have you join the PAT Platoon?  Or are you starting your course soon?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: 17thRecceSgt on January 11, 2007, 08:34:53
I'm waiting on a transfer too (Naval Res to Reg AF), I'm going in as an AVN Tech and was wondering if anyone knew when the courses for that trade were starting?  I was told that they would be starting some time in September because of the basic training courses finishing a little before that.  If that's the case, do you think they would call sooner and have me as PAT until the course started, or just call me shortly before the course begins? 
Thanks.

You could PM Sparkplugs...she just finsihed BMQ, did the PAT thing and is about to, or just started, her trades training in AVN Tech I believe...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: axeman on January 11, 2007, 08:44:42
 8) ummm 2 weeks      >:D and then  just under 2 yrs from infantry to navy . but i wanted to go airforce ...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Bosavn on January 11, 2007, 10:54:50
Awesome, thanks for the tip.  I'll get on that asap.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: JDMCRX on January 11, 2007, 14:36:19
You are goinh AVN i was AVN for 2 years. Sat on PAT platoon for 2 months then after 6 months. Very fun. Coarse is now 20 months long eh just to let you know if you have any questions. Let me know.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Bosavn on January 11, 2007, 14:42:24
Of course I have a question.. Why aren't you AVN anymore!! ;D
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: JDMCRX on January 11, 2007, 15:53:13
OK here is my explaination lol

I enrolled in sept 2003 did my BMQ went to borden with a corse date of january 07 2004. Well was suppose to be a 121 day corse they changed it to 52 weeks and my name was not on it. So I waited 2 weeks and my name was not on the febuary one so i complained and there was a spot on the Feb corse so i went on it. We were the 4th corse on the new 20 month trail. Ginni Pigs. Well point being as you can tell my english skills are not the best. So on corse i strugled with the book work but on the hands on stuff i was 98 %. The corse SGT always congrated me for my skills. Well did good on Comon Core Then when it was time for Electrical as in circuit boards and so forth i was great with the hands on stuff but had a hard time with the computer learning as nothing now in the CF is done on paper. It was a US based computer corse that was difficult to understand and asking questions to the senor staff was like talking to the wall cause they did not wanna learn it either. So alot of the students would assit each other. Well i failed my 3rd PO and they sent me to a PRB review board were they told me i had english skills problems and would look into it. Well then we were off to electrical wiring 7 months into the corse were I wizzed by everyone in the class. We would have to do wiring on boards and lay down cable and I would always finsih a day or 2  ahead of the class then i would help others. Every single piece i did passed 100%. So aug they dragged me out of class had to say good bye to my fellow PTEs and i was brought to PAT platoon were the SGT told me i was going to be Put on another corse in the ELEC circuits to redo my part and also get a English skills assesment done. Well month went by in PAT platoon nothing asked the SGT in the PAT office what was going on he says you are going to see the PBSO tomorrow. So went and saw her and she told me there would be no recorse for me and so forth and my options were this RED FLAG TRADES only. Infintry, armoured and cook. Sorry i told her those trades are not for me they may be good trades but not for me. She told me to take 2 weeks think about it.

So the next day i filed a redress and so forth. The redress was taking too long and so forth and basicly the next interview she did not even want to hear anything i wanted to say and She handed me a VR . So asking advice from fauther and other CF members including the CF CWO telling me there is a flaw int he 500 series trade that will not allow you to drop one series. So i VR'd to the SHR Supplymentry Holding Reserve as a reservist in as a VTECH. So feburay 2006 the CF has changed there means as to Tranfers from trades.

Basicly I have been a RES since januray and its been hell sorry my unit is not the best and there is more stories to that too.

Point taken If this is the trade you want and are willing to wait then go for  it. If you are not willing to wait do not do it. Turn around time for a non skilled AVN your looking at 20-30 months.

I have a bunch of people who VR'd and transfered to RMS clerks and some that made it threw. It all depends on you.

If you want more info let me know.

Currently I am a VTECH 411 with the RES i put in a CT in feb 2006 to go in as a PH TECH in the air force. And my name has been merited so waiting now.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Bosavn on January 11, 2007, 16:27:57
Wow, that's quite the story.  Don't they have a French course that you could have attended?  I knew that they were going through some trial periods with the new course and a lot of it was screwing the pooch for the most part.  I'm really sorry to hear that.  I hope everything works out for you. 

What did you mean by the turn around time?  Does that mean that there is less of a chance for promotions, or half decent postings?  I figured as much as they are recruiting 20 AVN Techs per region as opposed to 2 AVS Techs throughout all of Canada, for example.  I know there's a huge demand for AVN Techs.  Although, being a Corporal with Spec Pay 2 isn't bad after all the IPC's.  Besides, I really want to sail with this trade.  I don't know of many Air Force NCM Trades that offer attach-postings to ships other than AVS.  FE, is another but that's only through advancement on the AVN side of things.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: JDMCRX on January 11, 2007, 16:38:20
I mean from the day u tranfer tell u get the corse done.

Spec pay does not come tell u are POM and CPL.

Like i know in pat right now at CFSATE there is over 100 people and the corses go every month 14 troops or there trying new stuff out 14 every 2 weeks
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Bosavn on January 11, 2007, 16:41:09
That means there is a new course starting every 2 weeks?  That's pretty frequent.  But 100 people on PAT for AVN?  No wonder things take forever...  What probably happens is that the recruits go directly to PAT once there BMQ is done.  So the numbers stay pretty high as long as there's a steady rate of new recruits, they probably don't want to have trained sailors/soldiers wasting there time in line waiting for there course to start.  Actually, that doesn't make sense because we'd never get in then.  Either way, it's crazy that it takes so long to get in.  I feel for those people who have been waiting over a year.  That's just crazy.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Hatchet Man on January 11, 2007, 17:13:35
I'm waiting on a transfer too (Naval Res to Reg AF), I'm going in as an AVN Tech and was wondering if anyone knew when the courses for that trade were starting?  I was told that they would be starting some time in September because of the basic training courses finishing a little before that.  If that's the case, do you think they would call sooner and have me as PAT until the course started, or just call me shortly before the course begins? 
Thanks.
A guy from my unit CTed to that trade over the summer.  When he came by around remembrance day he was already on course.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Bosavn on January 11, 2007, 17:30:46
Was he coming from another AF Trade?  I ask because, as we all know, sometimes it's good to know someone on the inside.  And I also know that if, for example, you have a RMS Res going RMS Reg, the transfer is reallly quick.  But for some reason, once you start changing elements it begins to lag, so it seems.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: 17thRecceSgt on January 11, 2007, 17:33:44
I think what you mean is...if you are doing a straight Component Transfer into the same MOC, it is quicker than if you are combining a OT (Occupational Transfer) with a CT.  Which is what I am doing, which is one of the reasons my CT is as long as it is.

I also had some medical stuff to get thru, which also added to my timeline.

There is usually lots of little factors in the background that stretch out the length of time it takes.

If the trade is above PML, it would also possibly take longer...etc.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: JDMCRX on January 11, 2007, 18:00:31
Its weird when i was On PAT there was over 259 troops waiting.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: CmbtMP on March 07, 2007, 12:08:45
I'm looking into transfering from Reserve to Reg Force MPO.  My situation is, the MP trade does not recognize the MP Reserve Phase 3. Therefore I will have to retake that. As well, I must take language training as I'm only fluent in English, and know a bit of another language that is not French. I have been in the forces going on 3 years and for the last 5 months have been filling a Reg Force Captains position.

My question relates to Pay and Rank retention.
Rank - I have completed all my DP1 quals and am currently completing the first of my DP2's. I am functioning in a Captains position. Now I've read over the CFAO's with regards to accrediting time etc. But ultimately will this issue have to be dealt by bargaining with the CFRC Board?

Pay - Related to the question above, Again with accredited time does this relate to the Reg Force payscale I will be given? Or rather when doing a CT is payscale determined soley on the amount of time you've been in the forces (excluding occupation, spec pay, etc.)

Any help's appreciated
         
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Remius on March 07, 2007, 19:22:56
Generally what will happen is they will calculate your class A and Class B time and grant you an equivalent salary range.  An example was an infantry MCpl that transfered through ROTP.  Her total class b time and class A time as well as her current rate of pay and rank would have given her CPL IPC 4.  She's OCdt making essentially what's equivalent to that.

Now your case might be different.

Bargaining?  For MPO.  Doubtful.  MPO positions are rarer than Sar techs these days.  If you get it take it.

Hopes this helps.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: privatehoorah on March 07, 2007, 19:59:49
I started my CT process in January from Pres Combat Engineer to Reg force Combat engineer...  My paper work is sitting at HQ (CFRC said HQ assuming Ottawa) waiting for the selection board to convene for placement and offer or something along those lines...  The board sits later this month. I was just wondering if anyone would be able to give me a general time line of when I can expect to get an offer, as I need to figure out what to do with all my stuff and my apartment... I was told I may not get the offer until the middle of April by a MCpl at unit who CT'd from reg to the Pres. , I was just wondering if those with experience in the process going from Pres to Reg think the same.

As for worrying about courses ask your CoC if they can keep you listed for courses, as my CO is keeping me slotted for courses this summer just in case I don't get my offer until later.

Chimo
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: tannerthehammer on March 11, 2007, 03:53:43
As of now I'm an NCM in the reserves but I am considering a commission while I'm in university BUT I want to go Reg Force NCM once I'm done university...Is it possible to go from Officer to NCM with a CT?

Also, when you are filling out your CT or an application to the Reg Force can you apply for both NCM and Officer positions simply buy submitting both as your choices?  Or can you only select one or the other?

THanks
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: geo on March 11, 2007, 12:31:59
... all you have to do is resign your commission...............
but I am not sure why you would want to.

... you can always contact the local CFRC if you have any question.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: ark on March 11, 2007, 23:33:29
Quote
An officer who wishes to transfer as a non-commissioned member (NCM) to another component or sub-component shall apply in writing to resign their commission.

http://www.admfincs.forces.gc.ca/admfincs/subjects/DAOD/5002/3_e.asp

If I understand, you want to go from NCM (Res) to Officer (Res) while in Uni to NCM (Reg) after graduation? Do you plan on sticking to the same trade while transferring?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: tannerthehammer on March 14, 2007, 14:20:49
http://www.admfincs.forces.gc.ca/admfincs/subjects/DAOD/5002/3_e.asp

If I understand, you want to go from NCM (Res) to Officer (Res) while in Uni to NCM (Reg) after graduation? Do you plan on sticking to the same trade while transferring?

Well Im reserve Arty NCM right now but I may want to go Arty officer in the reserves while in university and then go Reg NCM military police once done university....
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Breacher41 on March 14, 2007, 15:08:35
just know this... if you resign your commission, the chances of you ever commissioning again are slim to none. Just a word of advice.... I don't understand why you would want to do that either... but... I wouldn't do it. I went from NCM ---> Officer its not really something that you take lightly. Think about it more. My advice is against it... but that's just me.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Roy Harding on March 14, 2007, 15:44:40
just know this... if you resign your commission, the chances of you ever commissioning again are slim to none. Just a word of advice.... I don't understand why you would want to do that either... but... I wouldn't do it. I went from NCM ---> Officer its not really something that you take lightly. Think about it more. My advice is against it... but that's just me.

I'm with MedTech on this one.  For the record, I never was an Officer - I remained an NCM (as much as I hate that term) for my entire career.

Becoming an Officer is not a matter of putting up different rank insignia when you feel like it - then taking them off again when you get tired of that game.  It is not a revolving door - which you appear to want it to be.

I'm curious as to why you would want to pursue this, to say the least, unusual career path?


Roy
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Baden Guy on March 14, 2007, 15:46:48
I have close to 30 years of service and I have "never" seen a person give up their commission to go to the ranks as an NCM.

On the other hand being truthfull I once had a student in POET who had his degree in engineering and was an excellent individual. In this case he had joined up as a private. I don't know what happened to him but I believe he was posted to Greenwood.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: volition on March 14, 2007, 16:17:14
What's the process in going to the reserve from the reg. force?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: ParaMedTech on March 14, 2007, 16:24:59
Volition:

Your release section should have all the ppwk you'll need for this, so bring it up with them during processing.

DF
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: volition on March 14, 2007, 16:36:08
Thanx!!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: ark on March 14, 2007, 19:07:46
What's the process in going to the reserve from the reg. force?

http://www.forces.gc.ca/hr/instructions/engraph/0705_admhrmil_e.asp

Check section 10, especially 10.7.

You may also want to check DAOD 5002-3: http://www.admfincs.forces.gc.ca/admfincs/subjects/DAOD/5002/3_e.asp

Hope this helps
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: tannerthehammer on March 14, 2007, 19:30:29
just know this... if you resign your commission, the chances of you ever commissioning again are slim to none. Just a word of advice.... I don't understand why you would want to do that either... but... I wouldn't do it. I went from NCM ---> Officer its not really something that you take lightly. Think about it more. My advice is against it... but that's just me.

Thanks I appreciate your opinion but I'm not looking for advice on this one.  I only wanted to know if it was possible.  I'm not going to make a rash decision about it.  Basically I want to experience being an officer before I go regs and if I like it I'm going to go officer in the regs once my degree is finished.  Say for instance I don't like being an officer vs. NCM than I can just de-commission.  So yes I believe I can turn it on and off but I hear what you are saying about the whole thing.

Just because the path I want to take is unusual doesn't mean it is the wrong way to do things.  It's just different and if the army will allow me the option to do so than I will use it if necessary...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Scott on March 14, 2007, 19:43:20
No one said it was the wrong way to do things. Opinions are shared here.

I think your question has been answered. Locking this one up with the usual caveats.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: volition on March 15, 2007, 09:18:54
Thank you ark, that really help!!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: volition on March 15, 2007, 15:15:06
I have another question...What if your in a reserve unit, can you transfer to another reserve unit accross the country? Anyone knows how that works, if at all?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: ParaMedTech on March 15, 2007, 15:23:28
If it's without a change in trade, it's fairly easy...contact the gaining unit, make sure they have a position for you, find out if they're willing to transfer kit (this may have changed with the on-line clothing docs). 

If it involves a VOT then it's a bit more complicated, involves a BPSO interview (which you should get done BEFORE leaving the losing unit so you don't end up NES at your new home).

I've bounced between 4 different Res units (11 Med, 6 FES, 8 FER, and 12 Fd Amb), and it's always been fairly painless, but I've always stayed in the same trade.  Some units wanted kit back, others just transferred loan cards for unit-level issue.

DF
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: volition on March 15, 2007, 15:37:32
ParaMedTech>>What unit are you in now!! Do you you know what officer positions are available in the 11 med, 12 med, 11 service, 12 fd amb?? Thank you.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: volition on March 16, 2007, 14:48:59
Maybe a bit off topic, but here goes...For infantry reserve officier, is Cap given one summer, then phase 3 the next summer, and so on. Or is there another way it can be done faster?? Thank you for all your help!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Breacher41 on March 17, 2007, 07:14:25
Volition,

   CAP is run all year round at CTC Gagetown at the Infantry school. If infantry is what you want, and you have all the time in the world, you can finish your CAP during the year and hit Ph 3 when ever they hold it at the school. Now, I noticed that you've been asking about the position availabilities for 12 Fd Amb so here it goes. 12 Med Coy no longer exists, it hasnt existed in almost  4 years now, the new unit which replaced 12 Med Coy is 12 (vancouver) Field Ambulance. The next question is what kind of officer positions are you looking for? Here is a list of officer positions in 12 Fd Amb:

Officer MOC                                   Availability

Health Care Administrator                 NIL
Nursing Officer                                 NIL
Medical Officer                                   1
Logistic Officer                                 NIL
Chaplain                                            1

12 Fd Amb currently has adequate officers and are not looking for anymore at the moment. I cant tell you about any of the other units, but 11 Med Coy is the same as 12 Med Coy, it no longer exists, you're looking at 11 (Victoria) Field Ambulance. You have to contact their recruiters directly if you want to know position avilabilities for 11 Fd Amb and 11 Svc Bn. They are two seperate units, so they will have two seperate recruiters as well.

Final question, what is your current MOC, and where are you going to be do you think? Because Vancouver and Victoria are mighty far apart.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: volition on March 19, 2007, 10:01:58
Thank you for the great information!!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Bald Eagle on March 21, 2007, 19:28:04
Generally what will happen is they will calculate your class A and Class B time and grant you an equivalent salary range.  An example was an infantry MCpl that transfered through ROTP.  Her total class b time and class A time as well as her current rate of pay and rank would have given her CPL IPC 4.  She's OCdt making essentially what's equivalent to that.


Is this the same procedure they do when you deploy overseas and voluntarily drop one rank. Like in my case, I was a MCpl but my position overseas was a Cpl. So I voluntarily dropped to Cpl rank. And then they calculated that my full time days in the Reserves was an equivalency of Cpl IPC 2. Is this on the CFAO ??? or any other pubs?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: duckman777 on September 13, 2007, 15:13:41
Hi,

So here's my problem:

I put in my papers at the London Recruiting Centre back in April about CTing to the Regular Force.  My friend also did this in at the Kitchener Recruiting Centre on the same day.  By early August he had done his interview and medical, while I was still waiting for a word on what was happening so I decided to call the RC to get an update.  They told me my unit had not given some essential files they needed to action the CT, and that the clerk in charge of my file was on course until the last week of August, and my files would in by then, so to call again the first week of September. 
Fair enough I thought.  August went by and I called the day after Labour Day and they put me through to the voice mail of the clerk doing my files...who happened to away for a few days.  Only a little irked, I left a message about my situation and if he could call me back as soon as possible.  It was now the 10th and I had not heard any word, so I called again, only to be transferred to another Clerk voice mail, who was yet again not around, so I left a message explaining my situation and to call me back as soon as possible. 2 days passed without a word, so I called again early today, and was transferred to another clerk's voicemail stating that he was on the phone, and to leave a message.  I did that.
Meanwhile my friend who put in his papers the same day as me has been waiting in PAT platoon since last weekend, his SQ/DP1 course started on the 10th but was full, so he's loaded onto a course starting the 24th.  I have yet to have an interview.
Any suggestions?  I feel like I'm jerked around by the folks at the London RC who have a serious grudge against CTers...which I know is not the case.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: kincanucks on September 13, 2007, 15:28:41
Sounds like it is your Res unit that is holding up the process but I wonder what essential file the CFRC/D needs?  As the CT policy clearly states that the Res Unit has two weeks to respond to any file requests by the CFRC/D and if it doesn't then the CFRC/D starts the process anyway. Perhaps you need to head down to the CFRC/D for some face to face.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: BC Old Guy on September 13, 2007, 15:37:24
Like everyone else, the staff at Det London have too much work, and not enough time/people.

Keep trying.  Make sure you have any recent course reports and records of employment (Route Letters, assessment memos, etc), and work with your unit OR to ensure that the CFRC gets your Pers file  and Med file.  

If you still feel that you are being given the run-around, ask to talk to the Det Comd.  If that doesn't work, call the parent CFRC in Hamilton, and talk with the Production Officer or the CO.  I've found that when the Major starts asking questions a little more attention is paid to the file.  Obviously, this is not something done at the drop of the hat, but if you are feeling frustrated, take it up the chain.  Also, see if you current unit Chain of Command will call on your behalf.

kincanucks advise is more concise than what I've offered.  Follow it - often the staff are dealing with a number of issues, and aren't at their phone when you call, and for whatever reason, don't get to their voice mails in a timely way.  If you are at the CFRC then you should be able to find them, and get a chance to talk.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Beadwindow 7 on September 15, 2007, 01:52:55
I recently completed a component transfer from the reserves to the regular force. It had some ups and downs.

Really, I started a couple of years ago, just before the new CT process was put into effect. That transfer was lost, and when found again, I cancelled it, opting to go on my QL5's instead. In the end, that was of benefit.

After finishing my ql5's, I restarted the process again. It took a long time for it to be processed. But after I got back from Afghanistan this summer, by the time I was off my post-deployment leave, I had an offer. I kept my trades courses, got bumped down in rank, but should have it back soon, and qualified myself for a nice skilled transfer signing bonus.

Only problems I really had were with Royal Lepage handling my posting travel and move of F&E (that's a different story, but you'd think I was the first CT they'd ever dealt with) and the fact that I didn't get paid today, but that's something the clerks are looking into.

My best advice is to get your Progress manager's contact information, and to check in with them once in a while. Not too often, but enough to check on your status, and if there's anything you should do yourself.

Best of luck.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: airmich on September 15, 2007, 09:26:26
and the fact that I didn't get paid today, but that's something the clerks are looking into.

When I did my CT at the end of last year, I was paid by contingency payment for about 2 months.  This was until my file got completely transferred over.  The clerk looking into this in Esquimalt was great about it (it was mid Dec pay that was my first missed pay...great thing right before XMas!!) He ensured I had a cheque right then for mid AND end Dec, and then was right on top of things for Jan pay, even contacting me while I was on course to put me at ease that yes I was getting paid this month!  A heads-up for people doing a CT that this pay delay  will most likely effect you as well and to be prepared.  Check with your pay section a day or 2 before pay day to see if you are getting paid.  This will hopefully give you an even transition.  Leave yourself a bit of a cushion for money so you aren't completely broke.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: exgunnertdo on September 15, 2007, 09:56:10
Only problems I really had were with Royal Lepage handling my posting travel and move of F&E (that's a different story, but you'd think I was the first CT they'd ever dealt with) and the fact that I didn't get paid today, but that's something the clerks are looking into.

Virtually the same two problems I had.  I arrived in St-Jean for SLT (BOTP by-pass)  on the 29th of the month, not expecting to get paid on the 31st, of course.  But I checked if I was to get paid on the 15th and was told "absolutely for sure" your pay will be processed by then.  No money on the 15th, of course.  I got little sympathy.  The assumption in St-Jean seems to be that all "new" recruits are young kids, on Basic, with no financial responsiblities and what's the difference if their pay is delayed a bit.  I was in my mid-30s, with a family, a mortgage, a car payment, etc.  This is fun, but not fun enough to do for free!

We moved as one of the last orderly room managed moves, since at that time (early 2006), RLRS only handled people who had already reached "career status."  I OT'd, so even though I had reached career status in my previous trade in the Reserves, I was treated as a "recruit" again.  What a disaster!  We're still trying to sort it out! 
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Beadwindow 7 on September 15, 2007, 19:07:10
This was until my file got completely transferred over.

Pretty much the reason is that while you may have cleared out of your reserve unit, while you may have signed your contract, and become a reg F member, the file route hasn't always caught up to you. You haven't been cleared out of the reserve Pay system, and therefore, your new unit OR doesn't can't activate your Reg F system.

as far as RLRS problems, they didn't want to start processing anything without a posting message. But the recruiting center doesn't send an ACTUAL message (as opposed to a draft) until you sign the paperwork, and that date is supposed to be the first date of travel (kind of a catch 22).

for myself, I didn't have a flight date booked by them until 4 days before I left, or 6 days for report for duty. On top of that, they couldn't book a move quickly, and my F&E was packed without me being there. Thankfully I had someone I trust that could watch over. fun fun.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: tannerthehammer on October 05, 2007, 15:12:33
Hi,

So here's my problem:

I put in my papers at the London Recruiting Centre back in April about CTing to the Regular Force.  My friend also did this in at the Kitchener Recruiting Centre on the same day.  By early August he had done his interview and medical, while I was still waiting for a word on what was happening so I decided to call the RC to get an update.  They told me my unit had not given some essential files they needed to action the CT, and that the clerk in charge of my file was on course until the last week of August, and my files would in by then, so to call again the first week of September. 
Fair enough I thought.  August went by and I called the day after Labour Day and they put me through to the voice mail of the clerk doing my files...who happened to away for a few days.  Only a little irked, I left a message about my situation and if he could call me back as soon as possible.  It was now the 10th and I had not heard any word, so I called again, only to be transferred to another Clerk voice mail, who was yet again not around, so I left a message explaining my situation and to call me back as soon as possible. 2 days passed without a word, so I called again early today, and was transferred to another clerk's voicemail stating that he was on the phone, and to leave a message.  I did that.
Meanwhile my friend who put in his papers the same day as me has been waiting in PAT platoon since last weekend, his SQ/DP1 course started on the 10th but was full, so he's loaded onto a course starting the 24th.  I have yet to have an interview.
Any suggestions?  I feel like I'm jerked around by the folks at the London RC who have a serious grudge against CTers...which I know is not the case.

I'm not shocked in the least...Military administration is terrible at its best...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: duckman777 on October 22, 2007, 17:53:00
So after 6 months of waiting, the ball is finally rolling on my CT from the Res to Regs, as I have both my interview and medical done, and all that needs to be done is a look into my references until I'm on the waiting list.  Now I've been in the Reserves for over a year now, and have been on a number of exercises, however am only SQ qualified.  My friend was in the same boat, but his local RC got his transfer going quicker, and he was put directly onto a DP1 course, skipping the Reg BMQ.  Now, here's my problem.

The interviewer told me that my unit has not said anything about my qualifications, therefore I am apparently not qualified in anything, and will have to repeat BMQ.  So...is my unit giving me the shaft?  What should I do?  I'll redo BMQ, however I'd prefer not to.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Fishbone Jones on October 22, 2007, 18:00:14
This is a problem that should be dealt with between, you, your Chain of Command, your OR and the RC. Request a sit down with your Sergeants Major, through your MCpl. There's really nothing we can do for you here, on this particular problem.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Shamrock on October 22, 2007, 18:06:31
The copies you've wisely retained of your course reports will help you.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: TacticalW on November 05, 2007, 02:57:13
I was told by my recruiter that I should be able to keep my BMQ/SQ qualifications - but I clarified that I wanted to do the Reg. BMQ instead of the Res. so there may be something up there. I myself am joining the Reserve Infantry and pretty much so I can have an assured acceptance into Reg. Force Infantry as well as an opportunity to finish off senior year and graduate. As recceguy said talk with CoC, OR and RC and once you get things sorted or figure out what happened post it up for us.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: nevada12 on November 24, 2007, 01:24:29
I am a member of the royal montreal regiment, reserves, and am in the process of transferring to the regs, hopefully RCR if i have a choice. I recently checked up on my file with the recruiting center and apparently i am going to bypass redoing my BMQ with the regs. This relives me in one way, as i will be able to move on with my career, but I am a bit concerned, my BMQ was only about 25 days long :-\ and i know that the reg force BMQ is much longer. Will I be terribly behind everyone else on my SQ,who I assume have completed their longer course much more recently.
during my course I got the impression that some of the instructors rushed class's, and i am completely clueless as to how to work the radio ??? just wondering if i'll get jacked up badly
your help is much appreciated.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Hatchet Man on November 24, 2007, 03:16:55
You can always ask to do BMQ at St Jean >:D.  Since its only your BMQ and not your SQ or BIQ you are bypassing, I wouldn't stress to much, I am sure the folks in Meaford will brink you up to speed.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: reverse_eng on March 02, 2008, 13:47:50
Greetings,

I am in the process of a CT to the reg force, and could use some advice, especially from any instructors out there or people who are in similar situations.

Basically, myself and several friends have started a CT but have been told that we do not have enough class B days to grant a RSBP. I have no issues with going through BMQ SQ (and obviously DP1 as it's a different trade) but was told that I could possibly go on tasking to somewhere like CMTC to do OPFOR stuff, to get the time in I need to skip basic.

Does anyone have any suggestions on what I should do and what will benefit me the most overall as a member of the reg force?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: SirTwonish on April 14, 2008, 16:53:46
I don't know if this is in the right thread. I am currently Pres Infantry and am in the process of doing a CT to reg force Infantry. I was just wondering if it is possible to be denied a CT? I've searched everywhere and it doesn't seem as though this question has been asked before. And if it is possible please offer reasons why it would be denied. Nothing has changed in my life since I got in to the reserves 4 months ago, I just decided that I want to serve my country full time! Any thoughts or educated answers would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Mr. Bumpy on April 14, 2008, 16:54:49
Did you even do basic yet? How do you know you"ll like it?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: geo on April 14, 2008, 16:56:21
ST,
Component transfers are typicaly designed for trained soldiers to move from the Reserve side of the house to the Reg side of the house.  If you have only been in the Reserve for 4 months then you are not fully trained and they may tell you that you do not have enough TI.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: BigRudy on April 14, 2008, 17:07:35
I believe in cases like that, even if you have done the reserve BMQ, they will just send you to St Jean for the reg version, as you don't have enough time in to really justify "skipping ahead" of your peers.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: SirTwonish on April 14, 2008, 18:47:53
I don't want to skip ahead, just want to go through all my training just like a regular recruit. My question is nothings changed as far as my application goes, I got in 4 months ago no problems, is there any chance that they might say no to my CT? If that is a possibility what would the reasons be? I did all my application components 4 months ago (physical, medical, CFAT, reliability check, etc) and had no issues getting in to the reserves.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: geo on April 14, 2008, 18:51:42
Ummm - what was it that you did not understand about our & esp my answer.

A component transfer insinuates that you have marketable skills that can be transfered immediately to a unit.  As a new recruit with only 4 months under your belt, you don't have any such skills - military skills.

The paperwork that was used to get you in the Reserve should still be available and the recruiting centre should be able to get your enrollment processed fairly quickly though
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: reverse_eng on April 14, 2008, 19:32:22
Since we are asking questions...

Would it be worth the 13 weeks to redo BMQ? I'm already set on redoing SQ and obviously trades training must be done, but will the 13 weeks teach me more then what I could simply gain through some basic review? Drill can always be sharper, and I haven't done CBRN in a while...but my C7 drills are good and I've moved beyond what they teach at basic.

I've been told that no matter what, I must have more class B days and go straight to SQ/BIQ, or just start over again. I don't want to spend 3+ months getting jacked because I was in the reserves, all while re-doing the same old stuff like polishing boots which are not even standard mk III's due to medical problems, and learning how to take apart a C7.

I have no problems going back to the start, if there is good reason to do so. They seem to think that it's a good idea for DP1 and 2 reservists to start fresh, or sit in an office and do class B for a total of 56 days. It kind of seems like a check in the box sort of thing to me. Get jacked, or do jack..tough call. Input anyone?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: geo on April 14, 2008, 20:32:20
popnfresh,.... you appear to have already come to the conclusion that doing the BMQ + SQ is a waste of time.
Who am I to tell you different?
If the recruiting people and yor career mangler feel you & the CF would be better served by your doing it over again - you should be asking questions of them... not us.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Sens91 on April 14, 2008, 21:17:12
Hello all,
I am just wondering if you are making a CT from reserves to regular force, rotp to be specific, if there are conflicts in regards to TI?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: geo on April 14, 2008, 21:29:02
UMMM have you made any effort to search the subject on this site.... it's that little button "search" on the toolbar?

That plus all the 166 previous posts on this thread
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: reverse_eng on April 14, 2008, 21:40:32
popnfresh,.... you appear to have already come to the conclusion that doing the BMQ + SQ is a waste of time.
Who am I to tell you different?
If the recruiting people and yor career mangler feel you & the CF would be better served by your doing it over again - you should be asking questions of them... not us.

Well I for sure want to redo SQ, it was a great course. I can certainly see what I could gain from "starting fresh" but I just don't know how the instructors will treat me as I already have technically done the course, and have picked up some things (e.g. boots - which im medically allowed to have) that will make me stand out, which is a bad thing in BMQ. Roger on all other points, I guess I just want to hear how an instructor type would deal with a person in my situation...e.g. am I going to be the course scapegoat, or will I be allowed to truly "start fresh".

Cheers and thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Mr. Bumpy on April 14, 2008, 22:04:05
Well I for sure want to redo SQ, it was a great course. I can certainly see what I could gain from "starting fresh" but I just don't know how the instructors will treat me as I already have technically done the course, and have picked up some things (e.g. boots - which im medically allowed to have) that will make me stand out, which is a bad thing in BMQ. Roger on all other points, I guess I just want to hear how an instructor type would deal with a person in my situation...e.g. am I going to be the course scapegoat, or will I be allowed to truly "start fresh".

Cheers and thanks in advance.

You should be able to do a fresh start unless you open your mouth. Be the greyman.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on April 14, 2008, 22:11:52
Well I for sure want to redo SQ, it was a great course. I can certainly see what I could gain from "starting fresh" but I just don't know how the instructors will treat me as I already have technically done the course, and have picked up some things (e.g. boots - which im medically allowed to have) that will make me stand out, which is a bad thing in BMQ. Roger on all other points, I guess I just want to hear how an instructor type would deal with a person in my situation...e.g. am I going to be the course scapegoat, or will I be allowed to truly "start fresh".

Cheers and thanks in advance.

I disagree with being the greyman, if that means you are not performing to your best ability.  If you have previous experience it should help you, and make you better able to help others.  And its only that you did SQ before, not that you completed the Ranger course down south.  Don't make a mountain out of a molehill over a simple course.  I have taught many courses with people that were in a situation like your, up to and including Sgt's that OTd and were Cpl's on a QL3 course before.  Its not that big of a deal.  You still go thru the same stuff as everyone else.

NEVER underperform to stay 'grey'.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on April 14, 2008, 22:39:24
I disagree with being the greyman, if that means you are not performing to your best ability.  If you have previous experience it should help you, and make you better able to help others.  And its only that you did SQ before, not that you completed the Ranger course down south.  Don't make a mountain out of a molehill over a simple course.  I have taught many courses with people that were in a situation like your, up to and including Sgt's that OTd and were Cpl's on a QL3 course before.  Its not that big of a deal.  You still go thru the same stuff as everyone else.

NEVER underperform to stay 'grey'.

I agree completely, if you have certain abilities, use them to help the others on your course. On the same token, if you forget something, seek the advice of a peer that is strong on the subject.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Beadwindow 7 on April 14, 2008, 22:42:31
I agree completely, if you have certain abilities, use them to help the others on your course. On the same token, if you forget something, seek the advice of a peer that is strong on the subject.

Also, don't brag about knowing something already, or having done it before. Nothing grinds a staff's teeth like "Well, when I was in the Res, I learned it this way..."

Personally, I've never been able to do the greyman thing. My mouths too big, and I'm too sarcastic. Always good upper-body at the end of the course, though
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: reverse_eng on April 20, 2008, 20:59:21
So I've talked to alot of people, and I think I may just go back to basic and start from the ground up. I have a few questions though...

Can I hand back my DEU's, as I wouldn't be entitled to them anymore? (Read I don't really want them until everyone else gets them; haven't even used the ones I have) Will I be forced to turn in my current kit, and draw a new set upon arrival at St. Jean? (That would be nice too)

Also, say an individual had several SMP driver quals, and finds himself back in basic, are these revoked, and if not, can the course staff make me utilize these skills even though I would no longer even be BMQ qual'd.

I've found conflicting answers to all this, appreciate any clarification.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on April 20, 2008, 21:09:46
So I've talked to alot of people, and I think I may just go back to basic and start from the ground up. I have a few questions though...

Can I hand back my DEU's, as I wouldn't be entitled to them anymore? (Read I don't really want them until everyone else gets them; haven't even used the ones I have) Will I be forced to turn in my current kit, and draw a new set upon arrival at St. Jean? (That would be nice too)

Also, say an individual had several SMP driver quals, and finds himself back in basic, are these revoked, and if not, can the course staff make me utilize these skills even though I would no longer even be BMQ qual'd.

I've found conflicting answers to all this, appreciate any clarification.

 ^-^

You have been issued DEUs and you keep them. 

As for all of your Kit, ask the CFRC.  You may keep it all and you may turn it all in, and be reissued again in St Jean.  That is a decision that is made by them. 

Dvr Qualifications have no bearing on BMQ or SQ.  The CFRC will tell you what qualifications you have.  You will have everything listed on your Message.  Everything will be on that message; your rank, your qualifications, your pay level, everything.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: RandomAVS on April 20, 2008, 21:31:07
If your going from Res to Regs Im pretty sure that you hand in your gear back  to the unit. I dont think this is whats done in the regs when you go from unit to unit.

And don't be a greyman, but don't be the overbearing ******* know-it-all. Just use what you know to make yourself noticed but at the same time be a team player or you'll get reamed 7 ways from Sunday. This comes from several friends who were in Cadets / Reserves that have gone through Basic.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Beadwindow 7 on April 20, 2008, 21:34:28
If your going from Res to Regs Im pretty sure that you hand in your gear back  to the unit. I dont think this is whats done in the regs when you go from unit to unit.

Depends. Any kit you had on Temporary Issue from your unit get's returned. Depending on what your scale of issue is for your new trade, you may or may not keep equipment from your permanent clothing docs.

IE, Res Army to Reg Army, same trade, same entitlement, therefore, keep kit (generally).

Res Army to Reg AF, you give back your army entitlement, get your AF stuff.

I imagine, though, that going to St-Jean to do basic, they'll just get you to hand everything in and get a new scale of issue.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on April 20, 2008, 21:36:01
If your going from Res to Regs Im pretty sure that you hand in your gear back  to the unit. I dont think this is whats done in the regs when you go from unit to unit.

And don't be a greyman, but don't be the overbearing ******* know-it-all. Just use what you know to make yourself noticed but at the same time be a team player or you'll get reamed 7 ways from Sunday. This comes from several friends who were in Cadets / Reserves that have gone through Basic.

 ::)

You think this is what is done when one transfers from one unit to another in the Regs?  Are you for real?

You keep your Kit if you transfer between one unit to another in the Regs, and the Reserves.  Sometimes, you will keep your kit if you transfer between the Regs and the Reserves, or vise versa.  You will have to ask the CFRC (in this case) or the Release Section if one is leaving the Regs for the Reserves.  As Beadwindow has pointed out, you will have to turn in any Temporary Issued Kit. 

You will have everything explained by the CFRC and during your Outclearance of your former Unit.

RTaylor if you don't know anything don't post.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: RandomAVS on April 20, 2008, 22:12:33
"RTaylor if you don't know anything don't post."

This IS what happened when 2 of my friends transferred from the reserves to the reg forces while I was still in. This was in 2001 when it occured, and they were told that their new unit would supply them with their kit. My cousin transferred about 5 years ago from reserves as infantry to the reg force artillery (as an officer) and they made him to the exact same thing. From boots to rucks to Gerber, they had to return it all.

The unit is the same one in all cases. Maybe it's a policy that just they had because they were cheap, but it did occur and maybe it still is. This is where I got my understanding of returning kit and being reissued new kit.

You may be in the forces and have been so for some time, and I will be the first in line to admit that you know your stuff, but this doesn't make you the seer who knows all and sees all of what has and will ever happen. This is what I've seen and that is why I posted it. Some of the information I give may be outdates or from my experiences which are localized, but I don't just jump around in posts spouting senseless garbage. I have absolutely no reason to do that and it benefits no one.



Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on April 20, 2008, 22:19:54
RTaylor

Once again I will state:  The CFRC will let you know........Not what happened to a friend of a friend two to ten years ago.
As for all of your Kit, ask the CFRC.  You may keep it all and you may turn it all in, and be reissued again in St Jean.  That is a decision that is made by them. 

Dvr Qualifications have no bearing on BMQ or SQ.  The CFRC will tell you what qualifications you have.  You will have everything listed on your Message.  Everything will be on that message; your rank, your qualifications, your pay level, everything.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: reverse_eng on April 20, 2008, 22:30:07
Thanks GW for the quick reply.

All I know is that I won't be giving up my non standard boots, the MO told me so!  ;)

Cheers
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on April 20, 2008, 22:39:58
Remember that you will have to complete an Outclearance of your Reserve Unit.  That will involve turning in whatever kit you may have drawn from them that is Unit Issued, payment of any Mess dues you are owing, an interview with your OR, making sure that your OR has all of your Pers File up to date, to include your High School Transcripts.  You can join the Reserves while still in HS, but you absolutely require your HS Transcripts to join the Reg Force.  If your Pers File is missing those Transcripts, your Transfer to the Regs will not go smoothly.

CT to the Regs also has some serious Pay issues, so ensure that you get a good briefing on that when you have your interview from your OR Staff on your Outclearance.  You may find that you will not get paid properly on joining the Regs, so you will have to know why and how to go about getting paid.

Again, the CFRC will have all the most up to date info.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: reverse_eng on April 20, 2008, 22:50:01
Remember that you will have to complete an Outclearance of your Reserve Unit.  That will involve turning in whatever kit you may have drawn from them that is Unit Issued, payment of any Mess dues you are owing, an interview with your OR, making sure that your OR has all of your Pers File up to date, to include your High School Transcripts.  You can join the Reserves while still in HS, but you absolutely require your HS Transcripts to join the Reg Force.  If your Pers File is missing those Transcripts, your Transfer to the Regs will not go smoothly.

CT to the Regs also has some serious Pay issues, so ensure that you get a good briefing on that when you have your interview from your OR Staff on your Outclearance.  You may find that you will not get paid properly on joining the Regs, so you will have to know why and how to go about getting paid.

Again, the CFRC will have all the most up to date info.

Does this have to be done before stand-down? My unit is not very efficient at anything that requires paperwork and signatures...  :-\

I guess I will bring it up next parade, but they have had a ways in the past of delaying a persons transfer until they give up and stay in the unit...

Edit: Thanks for the heads up on pay, I check my statement every time and will make sure it gets sorted out. I guess another call to the CFRC is in order.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on April 20, 2008, 22:55:20
Ewwwww!  Not good points there.

Do you have a 'good' supervisor who can guide you through the process?  Have you talked to your RSS Staff?  You may have to learn how to write a Memo and read up on the Redress of Grievance process.

This is a process that you will have to keep on top of.  Don't be afraid to ask for updates on how your process is going at the CFRC and at your Unit.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Beadwindow 7 on April 20, 2008, 22:55:58
CT to the Regs also has some serious Pay issues, so ensure that you get a good briefing on that when you have your interview from your OR Staff on your Outclearance.  You may find that you will not get paid properly on joining the Regs, so you will have to know why and how to go about getting paid.
Bout 2 months before I got paid after my transfer.

And for general information, I only returned kit issued to me by my Res unit. As I kept the same scale of issue, I kept everything. From boots, to gerber, to FPV.

As far as outclearance, can be done before or after unit stand-down, though it's easier to do before. Signature boxes have to be filled. Go to whomever handles outclearances for your unit, and get the forms. They'll have a list of who you have to see, and what you have to do.

Quote
Edit: Thanks for the heads up on pay, I check my statement every time and will make sure it gets sorted out. I guess another call to the CFRC is in order.

Not something the CFRC does. Your Res Pay account has to be closed out before your Reg F pay account can be activated. Generally your gaining unit's OR that deals with this.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: RandomAVS on April 20, 2008, 23:02:41
"If your going from Res to Regs Im pretty sure that you hand in your gear back to the unit. I dont think this is whats done in the regs when you go from unit to unit." -RTaylor

"Remember that you will have to complete an Outclearance of your Reserve Unit.  That will involve turning in whatever kit you may have drawn from them that is Unit Issued..."  -George Wallace

"RTaylor if you don't know anything don't post."  -George Wallace


Not as many fancy words but it sure looks pretty much the same to me.    ;D

Do what GW says though, his advice is not to be ignored. To parrot what he's said make positive that all your files are there, all the information is up to date and nothing is missing. That's part of the reason my re-enlistment has been taken so long :(
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on April 20, 2008, 23:03:42
In LFCA, and probably all other Areas, although a Unit "Stands Down" for the Summer, they should still have "Key" positions manned.  The Comd LFCA has said that they should have a 'minimal manning' in the OR, OPs and Training.  
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NFLD Sapper on April 20, 2008, 23:14:10
In LFCA, and probably all other Areas, although a Unit "Stands Down" for the Summer, they should still have "Key" positions manned.  The Comd LFCA has said that they should have a 'minimal manning' in the OR, OPs and Training.  

Well that being said George, I know for a fact this summer my unit will have no SQMS hrs as both the Quarter Master and 2 I/C are both tasked out.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on April 20, 2008, 23:19:36
As TAC VESTS are now part of the Initial Issue, and probably doesn't have any Wpn EIS, Compass, CNRB Kit, Laptops, etc signed out; one would have to deal with the important people........the Clerks.   ;D
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on April 20, 2008, 23:27:24

Not something the CFRC does. Your Res Pay account has to be closed out before your Reg F pay account can be activated. Generally your gaining unit's OR that deals with this.

Oddly enough, your RPSR pay account is not actually "deleted", rather it is tombstoned but remains in the system.  I found this out when some screw up started showing my RPSR account in arrears after I had CTd, been posted and several months had passed.   ::)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on April 20, 2008, 23:30:40
For those of you having trouble with your unit getting things done in a timely manner, my advice is to make sure the CFRC is aware of this.  They can/will do things in the background to 'encourage' your unit to be as timely as possible.  Make sure you don't
burn your bridges with your old PRes unit though.  Keep it professional at the unit and CFRC and many many more people will be willing to help you out than the whiny, cursing POd types that wonder why doors get shut in their face.  Vent at home to your 9Rd on the patio...the weather is nice enough now to BBQ!  ;D
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on April 20, 2008, 23:53:23
Bout 2 months before I got paid after my transfer.

By being paid you mean through the direct deposit system? I know moving from Cl B to Cl C (essentially res to reg for the pay system) it took them a month to sort out what money goes where, and I had to go to the cashier to get my monies.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Beadwindow 7 on April 20, 2008, 23:56:26
By being paid you mean through the direct deposit system? I know moving from Cl B to Cl C (essentially res to reg for the pay system) it took them a month to sort out what money goes where, and I had to go to the cashier to get my monies.

I had the same when going class B to Class C when I was overseas.

But as far as Res to Reg, it was about two months before my RPSR account allowed the clerks to access the Reg F pay system. So I just got a large backpay.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on April 20, 2008, 23:59:17
I had the same when going class B to Class C when I was overseas.

But as far as Res to Reg, it was about two months before my RPSR account allowed the clerks to access the Reg F pay system. So I just got a large backpay.

Not sure what you mean by the bolded parts BW 7.  The clerks at your new unit had access to both your RPSR and CCPS pay accounts??  When I CTd, my Class B pay had to be paid out complete before I could clear my unit?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NFLD Sapper on April 21, 2008, 00:07:53
Not sure what you mean by the bolded parts BW 7.  The clerks at your new unit had access to both your RPSR and CCPS pay accounts??  When I CTd, my Class B pay had to be paid out complete before I could clear my unit?

That's what I thought too EITS.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Beadwindow 7 on April 21, 2008, 00:37:38
Not sure what you mean by the bolded parts BW 7.  The clerks at your new unit had access to both your RPSR and CCPS pay accounts??  When I CTd, my Class B pay had to be paid out complete before I could clear my unit?

When my offer came through, I was in conversion back to class B from Class C. CCPS from that had just been closed out, and while I had received my last class B pay, through the process of it being closed out up through Comm Gp, my new Reg CCPS account wasn't activated until about 2 months after I cleared into my Reg F unit.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on April 21, 2008, 00:38:22
ack
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: engineergonemet on May 09, 2008, 14:23:19
hi. i'm transferring from reserve army to reg force air force. I checked the board but didn't find what i was looking for. my unit or recently emailed me the link for the new online application they're using for CT but i think it's an intranet link cuz it won't open on my computer. does anyone have an external link to the form? I checked the links that were posted earlier in this thread but there weren't any for the actual application form. Also I've heard that it normally only takes about a month and a half or so for the process to be completed now that it's done online. Is there anyone that can confirm this? Thanks!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Graeme on May 09, 2008, 14:45:25
For my transfer, the people at IRP took care of the whole move and gave us a nice $650 bonus for me and my wife.  They even payed for a hotel and our food in Pembroke for 15 days. until our PMQ was ready (I had already applied for one).  If your going to Pet, I suggest you apply for a PMQ 3 months in advance.

The army will also pay for a house hunting trip for a couple of days.

Keep all you concelation bills from your phone, cable etc; IRP will remburse you.  And same when you connect your phone, TV, internet etc

When I finialized my claim I got back like $1000, And I didn't even know I had spent that much.


I was suprised how well they took care of the whole matter, it was really well done - good system.


Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: engineergonemet on May 09, 2008, 14:50:36
Hmmm... well that is good info to have as i was sort of wondering about relocation costs. my training will be done in winnipeg and i live in ns. so thanks but i'm a little unsure as to how it fits in my previous post. lol. any idea on the website for the ct application? or have you been speaking to anyone who has recently gone through the ct process since they changed everything to make it "faster and more efficient"? Thanks again!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: engineergonemet on May 09, 2008, 15:23:41
also on the subject of relocation costs, any insight on whether or not i should take my car and some of the stuff i might need after course (it's 3 and a half months so i'm not sure if it makes sense to take the car) or if they'll provide me with time for relocation to my posting? i'm likely to be posted in either bc ontario alberta or in ns. bc and alberta may be easier to travel to from winnipeg so i'm kind of debating whether to take the car or leave it since i don't know where i'll be after the course. i'm not sure on how relocation after course works.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: mysteriousmind on May 09, 2008, 15:43:57
engineergonemet well... I'm going to give you advice, during your course, you will possibly want to go out on week ends even if you are not heading home due to the distance, but you might to go and just change your mind. I understand that going on a 4000 km trip is not something I would want to do,  but I would not stay on base for 3 months... I need some kind of liberty.

I'm going on if, my offer gets in, eventually on a 6 month course (GO ammo tech!!!!) and I will have my car.  and if I'm posted after I wont have to get back to Quebec, get my car and go...were ever the CF needs me.



Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: engineergonemet on May 09, 2008, 15:53:35
thanks for the advice. i was kinda thinking along those same lines. i'm just not looking forward to a 46 hour drive and then possibly having to repeat it 3 months later. i'm still paying on the car otherwise i'd just get a cheap one while i was there. i'll probably end up taking it.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: mysteriousmind on May 09, 2008, 15:54:45
well getting a cheap one was not a bad idea...but I would check on the law...are you aloud to have a car for 3 month????
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on May 09, 2008, 15:57:52
well getting a cheap one was not a bad idea...but I would check on the law...are you aloud to have a car for 3 month????


Only if you get that muffler fixed.   ;D
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: engineergonemet on May 09, 2008, 16:03:39
so still no idea on an external link for the application then?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: mysteriousmind on May 09, 2008, 16:04:12
PM in bound
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: reverse_eng on May 09, 2008, 18:22:54
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,70341.0.html (http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,70341.0.html)

Reply #10 by Hatchet Man... the file is attached.


Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: engineergonemet on May 09, 2008, 18:31:45
got it thanks. how long did it take for yours to go through?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: reverse_eng on May 09, 2008, 18:35:12
Well I'm still in Ontario...so its not totally through yet. I've been told to expect an offer soon, its been several months so far.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: engineergonemet on May 09, 2008, 18:40:12
eek. not good. i was told it should take about a month or so by the cfrc. I just found out that there should be a QL3 course for my soon to be new trade in august so hopefully i can get on it. thanks
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Hatchet Man on May 09, 2008, 22:30:19
eek. not good. i was told it should take about a month or so by the cfrc. I just found out that there should be a QL3 course for my soon to be new trade in august so hopefully i can get on it. thanks

You must remember that everyones situation will be unique, and while some people might take some time to get through the whole process other may simply breeze right through.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: engineergonemet on May 16, 2008, 18:02:23
ok so i have my transfer forms all filled out but i'm just wondering about the box for the date when i want the transfer to take effect. For now i filled in the 1st of august as i have a trip planned for a couple of weeks in july. However i'm wondering if i put the papers in with that date will they still process them now or will it possibly delay the process. I mean from what i've read on here the transfer will take a while and probably won't be near finished by july but with my luck if i don't put a date in it will be. Anyone know anything about this? I don't really wanna hold up the processing cuz the next course for my trade is in august sometime apparently. Thanks
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: mysteriousmind on May 16, 2008, 19:52:16
Just put on the date you are sending in your application, in wont change a thing because it will take allot of time.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Trinity on May 16, 2008, 23:39:22

My offer took 3 months.  Guess I was lucky.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: mysteriousmind on May 17, 2008, 09:50:56
Well I'm currently at 27 days, so I'm stressed out, I had 2 contact with them so far, so What ever will be, will be, Que Serra Serra

:) don't loose hope you people out there,  the army needs good people and I'm sure there are allot of you out there.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Sigger on May 17, 2008, 11:43:02
Well...

I left Reg a year ago(long story) and went into Sup REs.
As that really makes no differance, I have been waiting for a 'transfer' for 6 mos - so far. Waiting for PLAR as of 17 Apr.
It took me 3 mos from application to BMQ in 04.

tick tock

Out
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: mysteriousmind on May 17, 2008, 12:36:53
sigger i dont want to blow up your dreams....

but Sig ops is a very red trade...chance of changing trades for you are not looking good.

Good luck any way
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Sigger on May 17, 2008, 13:02:31
No no no...
by 'transfer' I meant CT from Sup Res to reg.

I would never leave my trade..

Sigger for life!

Out

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Grunt on June 21, 2008, 07:01:03
Hi,

Im doing a Component Transfer from Reserve Force Infantry to Regular Force Infantry.

So, I went to the Thunder Bay CFRC in January and they told me they no longer handle CT's, its done over the internet direct with NDHQ.  The CFRC then emailed me a link to a government website (apparently handling CT's) that didnt work...

So in February I initiated the transfer over the internet with the help of my Orderly room.  I specified I would be available after my college graduation (June 1).

April 3rd I finally got a response email from the regs stating for me to verify my MPRR, and that my transfer would take 2 months to process.  So I verified the MPRR as correct

I updated my files June 6 to include my college education, and emailed the CT email I was given to tell them, no response...

Otherwise I havent heard a response back, and despite several emails still no response, is theyre some way of getting in contact over the phone with those handling the CT's now?  I realize CT takes a while, but Ive not heard anything from them.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on June 21, 2008, 09:37:44
I was just talking to a guy yesterday about this.  He was supposed to be Reg Force now and posted to Petawawa, but this new idea that was supposed to be faster and simpler was so popular that it was overwhelmed with applicants.  He had his CT postponed to mid-July. 

Keep your eye on CANFORGENS that come out that will indicate what the latest news is from DCARM.  I am sure they will get through the flood of applicants in as quick a time as possible.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: --NES-- on June 21, 2008, 11:24:51
I've helped initiate over 20 CTs from my unit in the past year or so, in both the old system and the new, and the new system is much more streamlined. Especially for trade to trade transfers.   

Our members who initiate CTs from PRes Inf to RegF Inf usually receive an e-mail response to their application within a week and an offer (on average) within a month (or two). We've had quite a few successful applicants.. and we've even had guys postpone their own CTs 'cause they were given an offer sooner then they expected.

Even CTing to other trades within combat arms seems to go quickly as well. 
 
The only thing I've seen take a while is from Combat arms trades to Combat support or trades in other elements (we have a few fire fighter apps).  But its understandable since they have to conduct a PLAR (in the event of prior education), and find a spot in limited trade courses.  But, even then, DCARM CT cell keeps pretty good contact with the troops (at least from my unit) and thanks to the new system, the troops don't have to worry about constantly bugging the local CFRC or their CoC for updates; they have a direct line.

But, some points I've found;

- If you submitted a CT just before the new system kicked in and haven't heard anything yet, I would suggest submitting it again via the new system.

- When you submit your CT app via your OR, I would strongly suggest you look at your MPRR right then and there and update while you're there.  This will save you a trip to your unit armoury and reduce any chance of a hold up due to paperwork.  A switched-on OR can send that info out right away once you are initially contacted.

- This is one I can't stress enough; INFORM YOUR CHAIN OF COMMAND!  Part of the reason why I help troops with CTs, as a unit recruiter, is to ensure they complete and submit a memo regarding their intent to transfer.  There isn't a whole lot your CoC can do to stop your CT (unless you have a legal obligation, or a contract - which you can end, but requires time).  But it is just common courtesy to let them know you'll be leaving.  We've had situations where the CoC for the Rifle company had no idea someone had left until we found out he had been in the Regs for a year... and we only found out 'cause we called his place to inform him he was being released because he had gone NES (we were a little behind on releases).  Needless to say, people weren't happy.   So I have a memo template I fill out with the troops, print of and have them sign and photocopy. The rest is up to their CoC. It saves me a lot of head aches from angry phone calls from Coy and Plt commanders.


Beyond that, as George said; keep an eye on CANFORGENs for changes.  If you have someone in particular, in the OR, who deals with CTs, they should have a firm grip on the latest CANFORGENs, CMP instructions and news from DCARM... I know I do. 

Anyway, the latest CMP instruction for CTs makes a lot of sense, and is being implemented (from what I've seen), and as time goes on and the mad rush to CT due to the simplicity of the process starts to lull, I'm sure things will start to improve and streamline even more.

Good luck with all the CTs out there.   
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Grunt on June 21, 2008, 14:44:33
Thanks both of you, made me feel better ;D

Its a little frustrating because I want to make a career of regular force infantry and Ive been wanting to leave since June 1, and I initiated this february thinking that 5 months would be plenty to process everything ::).  Now im pretty much just going crazy sitting around waiting for the call.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: reverse_eng on June 21, 2008, 14:59:48
Thanks both of you, made me feel better ;D

Its a little frustrating because I want to make a career of regular force infantry and Ive been wanting to leave since June 1, and I initiated this february thinking that 5 months would be plenty to process everything ::).  Now im pretty much just going crazy sitting around waiting for the call.

I started the process a little after you did specifying that I would be ready to leave by now. I'm apparently on phase 2 at the moment, which involves getting a PLAR done by a civilian agency. I told them what is the point of this, I am willing to go back to basic if it gets me in quicker etc, but no dice.

It's a little discouraging but then again there isn't much we can do, so we wait out. The people in the CT transfer section at least answer emails pretty quick, so it could be worse.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Grunt on June 21, 2008, 21:11:54
PLAR, Prior learning assesment?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: reverse_eng on June 21, 2008, 21:41:27
That's the one.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: --NES-- on June 22, 2008, 11:40:30
PLAR, Prior learning assesment?

More specifically; Prior Learning Assessment and Recognition


Here's some information;

Quote from: army.gc.ca CFMEP
CFMEP
Also known as: Canadian Forces Military Equivalencies Program

CFMEP facilitates the process of recognizing equivalent non-CF or CF prior learning. CFMEP utilizes the PLAR process to achieve this objective. PLAR is the formal process used to evaluate, accept and recognize prior learning. An evaluation is conducted to establish to what extent the prior learning equates to the learning outcomes and standards of current CF training and education. In some cases the conduct of PLAR may not be organizationally feasible or cost-effective.

More info here: DAOD 5031-1 (http://www.admfincs.forces.gc.ca/admfincs/subjects/daod/5031/1_e.asp)


Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on June 22, 2008, 11:48:33
I might also point out that the people making the decisions in these cases are not from the Branches or Trades, but from Training Systems in CFB Borden.  One may have to resubmit and further 'qualify' their credentials to have them accepted.  This all takes time, so the grievance process will slow down the overall process of acceptance to the CF with the qualifications you may feel you are due.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: SirTwonish on July 04, 2008, 11:30:17
If anyone need info on the new CT procedures just ask. I just completed mine and have some exp with the new procedure (and I hit mostly every problem along the way). I am by no means an expert but I may have some insight, and if I can Ill help give you some answers.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Hogie on July 04, 2008, 13:22:55
For those of you willing to redo BMQ, just a tip - they will not send you on BMQ if it is determined you don't need it, as that would waste a slot on the course and the money it takes to put you through it. :-[
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: skyd1vr on July 14, 2008, 11:41:58
good friend of mine in my reserve squadron just ct'd. He was trade and aircraft qualified reg F, came to reserves and has now ct'd back to reg F. He put in his app beginning of june, called to follow up with the clerk and file manager. He got his offer on June 27 and has a COS date end Aug.

I applied for a CT and OT on June 11. I'll keep you posted.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: skyd1vr on July 14, 2008, 22:52:57
I've spoken with both the CT clerk and CPO in the last few weeks..the clerk said generally nothing moves in less than 4 months, unless there are exceptional circumstances. The CPO considers a one month old app to have wet ink on it.

They said they have over 700 files open right now.

I was just talking to a guy yesterday about this.  He was supposed to be Reg Force now and posted to Petawawa, but this new idea that was supposed to be faster and simpler was so popular that it was overwhelmed with applicants.  He had his CT postponed to mid-July. 

Keep your eye on CANFORGENS that come out that will indicate what the latest news is from DCARM.  I am sure they will get through the flood of applicants in as quick a time as possible.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: geo on July 15, 2008, 08:58:04
IMHO, if you are doing a CT to the same occupation, there should be NO delay at all.
Whatever time it might take for the paperwork to be done could be accomplished while you are already in your new unit.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: --NES-- on July 15, 2008, 09:45:06
IMHO, if you are doing a CT to the same occupation, there should be NO delay at all.
Whatever time it might take for the paperwork to be done could be accomplished while you are already in your new unit.


I think that's generally the way they're trying to make it go... The new CT instructions outline a "quick and easy" transition between PRes and Reg F in the same trade... but, as per the norm, this isn't always the case.   As I've just found out from my unit's CC, members still have to be released from the PRes before they're fully transfered to the Reg F.  That, in my mind, makes no sense... but I'm not a clerk, so I really don't understand the details of it all.  Either way, the way I see it, we're all one big happy family. It should be as simple as a PRes member self identifying for transfer to same-trade transfer, filling out the current online app, submitting it, get an offer (if a unit want said member) than all pers files are transfered with the member... BAM! Done!   So, whats with the release stuff?  And why does that happen both ways (Reg F to PRes)?  We're all in the same military, right?

So yeah... Like Geo put it... it should be zero time, or close to for same trade, pending a position.   eg. Member from PRes Inf unit self identifies; "I want to go to the RCR".  DCARM calls up the RCRs (1,2 &3); "You need a troop qualified in [fill in quals]?" (yes, I know its more involving).  RCR reply either; "Yes, send us fresh meat." or "No, send him/her to the [other unit of same trade]".  If answer is yes, DCARM contacts applicant; "Pack your bags, you're now wearing a death-star." If the answer is no; "How do you feel about 1) wearing a beaver, 2) the West Edmonton Mall?  Then the process continues... otherwise, it's too simple.

Just my $0.02
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: CountDC on July 15, 2008, 09:53:16
IMHO, if you are doing a CT to the same occupation, there should be NO delay at all.
Whatever time it might take for the paperwork to be done could be accomplished while you are already in your new unit.

Close but not quite - small delay is needed to ensure that your quals are compared off and transferred correctly.  It may be that you did an old JLC/CLC in 87 that is not at the same standard as today but have additional training and experience that brings it up to the required level. In the old days you simply did not get the course credit and that was it - now you can get the credit.  Can't just send you to a unit without knowing what quals and terms you are to be given.  The paperwork should always be done first otherwise you may end up with people in places doing things they should not be doing. That being said - 5 months seems like a long time to me -  I can see 1 month no problem, maybe even 2 months in some cases - beyond that? have to wonder what is going on.

Just to touch on a subject back a few posts in regards to pay on transfer.  Once you are transferred you are entitled to reg f pay.  Just because you do not show on the CCCPs is not an excuse for your pay clerks not to issue pay - systems are in place to deal with this.  We have DFT and cheque requisitions in place.  Even without knowing the mbrs IPC I have paid people in the past - used their basic pay level, did the approx deductions ( plus a small cushion) and issued them pay. Regulations are that mbrs are to be issued their pay entitlements on pay day - it is up to us clerks to do everything within our powers to make this happen.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: geo on July 15, 2008, 09:54:25
While there will always be bureaucracy to ensure that the "T's" are crossed and the "I's" are dotted, who says the individual has to remain at his former unit while all this is happening?

If the person passes a medical, you give him an interrim rank (if necessary) and you cut him a class B or C contract for a Reg force Battalion or Regiment where he is needed.  If the person has served in Kandahar then his CT should be at his effective rank anyway.... so what's the problem ???
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: reverse_eng on July 15, 2008, 12:24:52
While there will always be bureaucracy to ensure that the "T's" are crossed and the "I's" are dotted, who says the individual has to remain at his former unit while all this is happening?

If the person passes a medical, you give him an interrim rank (if necessary) and you cut him a class B or C contract for a Reg force Battalion or Regiment where he is needed.  If the person has served in Kandahar then his CT should be at his effective rank anyway.... so what's the problem ???

That would be nice. Also for a lot of us at the Pte/Cpl level, they send us back to basic if we don't have the magic amount of class b service. I'm fine with this, but wish they would SEND me already. I don't see why such things as a PLAR are needed when the outcome is already a given from what I've been told...

5 Months here and just got word to book an interview...  ;)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Dog on July 15, 2008, 12:58:33
Popnfresh, as I understand it, the magic amount of Class B service is used to determine your IPC, within a certain rank, not your training requirements.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: geo on July 15, 2008, 13:00:57
.... which is why I say that they could parachute you in to your new unit in an interrim rank at an interrim IPC until the paperwork can be straightened out.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: CountDC on July 15, 2008, 14:03:46
While there will always be bureaucracy to ensure that the "T's" are crossed and the "I's" are dotted, who says the individual has to remain at his former unit while all this is happening?

If the person passes a medical, you give him an interrim rank (if necessary) and you cut him a class B or C contract for a Reg force Battalion or Regiment where he is needed.  If the person has served in Kandahar then his CT should be at his effective rank anyway.... so what's the problem ???

Lets see - problems

  Class B and C are both reserve not Reg F and we are dealing with Componet transfers. They also both require the member to hold reserve positions which means you either now have to create a paper unit with positions for these mbrs or they will continue to tie up posns at the reserve unit they already belong to. Units do not like to have their posns tied up for someone not training with them so that is out.  Creating the paper unit with posns means you will have to take posns from units which again will not make any of them happy. Other option is to change the unit to a mixed unit with both reg and res posns which creates the other problem of do you increase the overall unit strength(stealing again from other units) or decrease the reg f strength to create the res posns(which would still have to come from somewhere) and takes a long time to do.

Not everyone has served at Kandahar, not everyone has been returned with a good report.  What if mbr is a MCpl but was not employed as one in Kandahar as they were not considered good enough for the job.  These things have to be checked. Don't know if this has happened there but I do know it happened years ago (early 90's) in Africa that a MCpl was removed from their posn, replaced with another on the ground and treated as a Cpl. Also have to consider that they may have been in Kandahar as a Pte and now several years later are a MCpl - which rank do we take him/her in under?

Interim ranks is another nightmare we do not need. If you can determine such a thing then you should be able to determine their actual rank - unless you want to bring everyone in as a pte to start.  That would be fun - today pte, tomorrow sgt but oops we don't have a sgt posn open so we will have to release you until one comes free. Sorry about that, guess we should have checked it all first.

Nor does this address the issue of what to do with the mbr as you still do not know what course credits the mbr is to be given.  I can see the RSMs/Adjts/COs (or navy equiv) going crazy now. They would have to treat them as new recruits until the paperwork catchs up and that is not what anyone needs at this point.

The system is not perfect but better to have most of the T's crossed and I's dotted before hand rather than after. Perhaps part of the solution is to increase the staff handling CT's, doing a pre screening of files so that the ones that appear to be straight forward are streamlined through one cell while the others go to another cell. By straight forward I mean such cases as mentioned earlier by someone - Pte/Cpl infantry going infantry. There is always a need, shouldn't take long to calculate the course credits, rank and IPC. Such a person should be in the unit within a month.

The T's and I's that should not tie this up is the reserve unit not processing the paperwork in a timely manner to release the member (still can't believe they are doing that), clearing unit stores (mbr can make arrangements - someone else return the stuff, leave with OR Staff with signed list, return later or debit pay are some), debit balance on mbrs reserve pay (can be recovered off his reg f pay), unit outclearance because CO/RSM/whoever is not available for the next month or 2 to sign as it is summer time. When I was clearing them out and no one else was available I just took the card, indicated they were not available and told the mbr to enjoy their new career - never had a problem after the first time (well sir I guess someone should have been here to make the command decision besides the OR Supvr).
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: kincanucks on July 15, 2008, 14:27:32
Popnfresh, as I understand it, the magic amount of Class B service is used to determine your IPC, within a certain rank, not your training requirements.

Actually, a Res F member who is CTing, usually just enroled Ptes and not Cpls, requires a certain amount of Cl B days to bypass Reg F BMQ.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: geo on July 15, 2008, 14:30:58
Lets see - problems

  Class B and C are both reserve not Reg F and we are dealing with Componet transfers. They also both require the member to hold reserve positions which means you either now have to create a paper unit with positions for these mbrs or they will continue to tie up posns at the reserve unit they already belong to. Units do not like to have their posns tied up for someone not training with them so that is out.  Creating the paper unit with posns means you will have to take posns from units which again will not make any of them happy. Other option is to change the unit to a mixed unit with both reg and res posns which creates the other problem of do you increase the overall unit strength(stealing again from other units) or decrease the reg f strength to create the res posns(which would still have to come from somewhere) and takes a long time to do.
If the gent is cooling his heels in his reserve unit, he would be occupying the very same position anyway - not an issue.  No paper unit need be created

Not everyone has served at Kandahar, not everyone has been returned with a good report.  What if mbr is a MCpl but was not employed as one in Kandahar as they were not considered good enough for the job.  These things have to be checked. Don't know if this has happened there but I do know it happened years ago (early 90's) in Africa that a MCpl was removed from their posn, replaced with another on the ground and treated as a Cpl. Also have to consider that they may have been in Kandahar as a Pte and now several years later are a MCpl - which rank do we take him/her in under?
At this very minute - the offer of a CT to the same rank applies only to people who have served in KAF theatre... nothing about FRY or anywhere else.
As this option is so very recent - your commendary does not apply.   Lead up training prior to deployment is something like 1 year now - by the time you go, you're either good to go OR you don't go.  If you got the lousy appraisal then the CT can be stopped or the rank reduced to the level of his competence while he is still ebing employed as a Reservist attached posted.

Interim ranks is another nightmare we do not need. If you can determine such a thing then you should be able to determine their actual rank - unless you want to bring everyone in as a pte to start.  That would be fun - today pte, tomorrow sgt but oops we don't have a sgt posn open so we will have to release you until one comes free. Sorry about that, guess we should have checked it all first.

Interim ranks are NOT a nightmare - people make it a nightmare.
Reserve rank & trade courses are not created equal - most of the time.
If the fella is a reserve Sgt or MCpl he will see nothing strange about being  brought in as a Cpl till his pedigree is checked.

Nor does this address the issue of what to do with the mbr as you still do not know what course credits the mbr is to be given.  I can see the RSMs/Adjts/COs (or navy equiv) going crazy now. They would have to treat them as new recruits until the paperwork catchs up and that is not what anyone needs at this point.

Unit COs and RSMs are constantly dealing with reservists arriving for TF training & attachment.  There is no need to "go crazy".  Load em into a Troop or Platoon with an experienced 2IC to evaluate & you are good to go.
You are making too much of this.

The system is not perfect but better to have most of the T's crossed and I's dotted before hand rather than after. Perhaps part of the solution is to increase the staff handling CT's, doing a pre screening of files so that the ones that appear to be straight forward are streamlined through one cell while the others go to another cell. By straight forward I mean such cases as mentioned earlier by someone - Pte/Cpl infantry going infantry. There is always a need, shouldn't take long to calculate the course credits, rank and IPC. Such a person should be in the unit within a month.
increasing bureaucracy ???   yeah right

The T's and I's that should not tie this up is the reserve unit not processing the paperwork in a timely manner to release the member (still can't believe they are doing that), clearing unit stores (mbr can make arrangements - someone else return the stuff, leave with OR Staff with signed list, return later or debit pay are some), debit balance on mbrs reserve pay (can be recovered off his reg f pay), unit outclearance because CO/RSM/whoever is not available for the next month or 2 to sign as it is summer time. When I was clearing them out and no one else was available I just took the card, indicated they were not available and told the mbr to enjoy their new career - never had a problem after the first time (well sir I guess someone should have been here to make the command decision besides the OR Supvr).
Outgoing clearances can be done quickly and without much fuss.
Takes no longer than doing your 2050 prior to deployment.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: --NES-- on July 15, 2008, 14:34:25
No matter the problems inherent in the current system, it is still much better than what was there before;  It is much more streamlined, much more efficient and definitely a step in the right direction.   I don't think the system can get as simple as we would all like it without stepping on the toes of the people who have to do all the T crossing and I dotting.  You can't please everybody, but, in this case, I believe they've found a fairly happy medium...  Besides, if they pushed it too much, people could start getting lost in the paper shuffle.

It would be nice if things worked as smoothly as they sounded on paper. But, not everyone is a "text book" transfer case; this system really runs case by case and that takes time.

Either way, this new directive is a huge step in the right direction...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on July 15, 2008, 16:47:34
Having been a mbr who did the CT/OT process myself in the past 2 years, I would like to wade in here for a second, though not as a SME for the T's & I's discussion.

1.  The CTing mbr should realize that he/she is an integral part of the process.  They should take steps to ensure paperwork is up to date and complete when they start this process.  This can include ensuring their UERs, MPRRs, MITE records, course reports, 10-07's, etc are complete and not missing data.  The people who make all these decisions only have the file in front of them to make their job easier, and your CT smoother.  This also includes taking measures to verify your actually kit holdings with your SQ/CQ, clothing stores, etc against what you have signed for.  If you suddenly are clearing out and can't find a piece of kit, who's fault is that?  All these little snags SHOULD be eliminated as early in the process as possible.  Educational transcripts, whatever the case may be, should all be in order before you walk into the CFRC, IMHO.  You can probably even get your EXPRES/BFT out of the way, whatever you can do, do it. 

2.  Mbr's who are CTing and OTing at the same time should expect this to take more time!  Period!  In my case, I was a blackhatter with SLC and DP3B/6B.  I would have expected a fairly quick PLAR had I of just CTd, but I thru an OT in with mine.  That means more work, more hands that have to touch my file.  I expected it.  So should you. 

3.  Remember, also, that most PRes units operate with what I will call 'minimal manning' in their ORs and because of the nature of Class B emloyment, sometimes there are empty chairs with keyboards in front of them because of no-fills, taskings, and a bunch of other compounding factors.  The unit still has to conduct business and the reality is that you may not always be the highest priority. 

WRT to the issue of releasing from the Reserves, it doesn't make much sense to me, but I do know part of that is the procedure to tombstone your IRPS pay account and open you CCPS one.  The PRes and Reg Force 'admin systems' in their completeness are not mirror images; if they were, we could just 'cut and paste' and mbr's "CF Profile" from one org to another.  That is not the case now, atleast not 100%.

While its always important to look for ways to improve, I have to echo RHFC_Pipers comments that 'things are certainly better now than they were".
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Senor Mono on July 15, 2008, 18:41:01
What about CTs from Reg to Res? How smooth is this process?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: geo on July 15, 2008, 19:15:47
What about CTs from Reg to Res? How smooth is this process?
Seeing a lot of regs do that....
Works fine
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: --NES-- on July 15, 2008, 19:55:31
There can be the same kind of confusion when it comes to Reg F to PRes... But much like the PRes to Reg F system; it really does come down to a 'case-by-case' basis.

The biggest issue I've seen with the Reg F to PRes CT is the confusion about who should be conducting all the admin; the PRes unit or the Reg F unit.  This is clearly defined by DAOD 5002-3 (http://www.admfincs.forces.gc.ca/admfincs/subjects/DAOD/5002/3_e.asp) and the CMP instructions for CT;

Your Regular Force release section in responsible for all the admin for your CT to the PRes and release from the Reg F.
The gaining unit will supply the Position Number, but that's about it.  And to obtain the position number, you have to contact the unit and arrange a meeting; RSM for NCMs, CO/DCO for Officers.  Unless one of those people give you the thumbs up, the CC of the PRes unit will (should) not provide the Release section with a position number.

This may seem like common sense for a lot of people, but you'd be surprised by the number of Reg F members who contact unit recruiting daily for initiate a CT... Then I have to tell them the process above.  There's nothing wrong with contacting the gaining unit (via unit Recruiting) first, just for unit info, but you'll have to contact the unit Adj or OR for an appointment.

As I've said, this system can get equally muddled.  My unit has 3 Reg F members trying to CT to us, and have been for the last year...  the down side is that they are now caught between the Old and New systems.  Hopefully they'll be good to go by September, but who knows.

On the good side of things; Reg F members CTing in to PRes units (of like trades) tend to get a lot of respect and opportunities (or at least they should) as they generally have a lot of good experience.  And we're always looking for experienced leadership.
 
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: CountDC on July 16, 2008, 12:04:02
If the gent is cooling his heels in his reserve unit, he would be occupying the very same position anyway - not an issue.  No paper unit need be created
it is an issue in that you are taking the member from the reserve unit to the reg f unit - the reserve CO's generally do not want their establishment tied up with people they can not employ.

At this very minute - the offer of a CT to the same rank applies only to people who have served in KAF theatre... nothing about FRY or anywhere else.
Really - guess I better tell my friend to take her leaf off then.

As this option is so very recent - your commendary does not apply.   Lead up training prior to deployment is something like 1 year now - by the time you go, you're either good to go OR you don't go.  If you got the lousy appraisal then the CT can be stopped or the rank reduced to the level of his competence while he is still ebing employed as a Reservist attached posted.
Now that is too funny - 1 year training - maybe if you are an infanteer sitting in a unit doing training all year.  The people I work with get a few weeks in Kingston and off you go. As for reducing rank - remember you have already sent him off to the unit as a MCpl, the RSM has employed him as such and now you are saying oops we made a mistake - your only a Cpl.  That works wonders for everyone involved.

Interim ranks are NOT a nightmare - people make it a nightmare.
Reserve rank & trade courses are not created equal - most of the time.
If the fella is a reserve Sgt or MCpl he will see nothing strange about being  brought in as a Cpl till his pedigree is checked.
Interim ranks are not a nightmare - to people that don't have to clean up all the mess and answer all the questions.
May not see a problem of brought in a Cpl but they will see a problem when you tell them they are supposed to be a Master or Sgt and you don't have a position available.

Unit COs and RSMs are constantly dealing with reservists arriving for TF training & attachment.  There is no need to "go crazy".  Load em into a Troop or Platoon with an experienced 2IC to evaluate & you are good to go.
You are making too much of this.
As they are already dealing with reservists for TF training why add to their problems by adding a bunch of people they have no idea on what rank or course quals they will be granted.

increasing bureaucracy ???   yeah right
?? never said to increase bureaucracy - said increase manpower and streamline the process internally. Sgt recieves file, opens, see Bdr wanting to CT to Reg F Arty - easy case box. See Bdr wanting to CT NWT - difficult case box. This would in turn speed up the process for everyone.

Outgoing clearances can be done quickly and without much fuss.
Takes no longer than doing your 2050 prior to deployment.
Can but as many can testify often are not done quickly because Joe Blow is not available to sign the magic card. As others have already stated during the summer their units go to min manning without such people as supply available. In one unit I worked most of the time I was the only one available at best of times.

Increase the staff, streamline the easy cases and people can wait the one month it should take to process them. Anyone that has a difficult CT should fully expect to take longer anyway. No reason that an infanteer cpl should have to wait longer than a month to CT to infantry - pte/cpl is not that difficult. Now if he wants to become another trade it will naturally take longer as he has to be assessed to see if he is suitable.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: rt76 on August 06, 2008, 12:59:00
I am in the reserves, and I have recently accepted an offer for a component transfer to Reg. Force.  I am currently just waiting for all the final documentation to go through, before I head to Borden for my QL3 the first week of Sept for my MOC training.  I have a couple of questions, but I seem to be having difficulty getting them answered.  I know there is a wealth of knowledge out there, so maybe someone can shed some light for me.  I know that I will eventually get my questions answered, but probably not till I receive my transfer letter a week prior to me leaving for Borden.  And I like to plan ahead when I can.  Especially when I have family and responsibilities to take care of.   :)

1.  I am planning on driving to Borden (about a 23 hr drive), as that is where I'm from.  Does anyone know whether or not I would be able to receive an advance on my travel expenses (CT) to Borden (IE. gas, lodging)?  Just want to know, so I can plan my expenses, as I am aware that sometimes getting my first pay after a CT is not always immediate.

2. I have just recently signed my release from the reserves, and returned my kit to my unit, as I'm going from Army to Airforce.  Does anyone know once all my paperwork is received, if I should be receiving new kit prior to leaving for Borden?

I'm sure I have more questions.  I'll just have to ask them when I think of them.

Thanks a bunch  ;D 


Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on August 06, 2008, 23:22:39
I am in the reserves, and I have recently accepted an offer for a component transfer to Reg. Force.  I am currently just waiting for all the final documentation to go through, before I head to Borden for my QL3 the first week of Sept for my MOC training.  I have a couple of questions, but I seem to be having difficulty getting them answered.  I know there is a wealth of knowledge out there, so maybe someone can shed some light for me.  I know that I will eventually get my questions answered, but probably not till I receive my transfer letter a week prior to me leaving for Borden.  And I like to plan ahead when I can.  Especially when I have family and responsibilities to take care of.   :)

1.  I am planning on driving to Borden (about a 23 hr drive), as that is where I'm from.  Does anyone know whether or not I would be able to receive an advance on my travel expenses (CT) to Borden (IE. gas, lodging)?  Just want to know, so I can plan my expenses, as I am aware that sometimes getting my first pay after a CT is not always immediate.

2. I have just recently signed my release from the reserves, and returned my kit to my unit, as I'm going from Army to Airforce.  Does anyone know once all my paperwork is received, if I should be receiving new kit prior to leaving for Borden?

I'm sure I have more questions.  I'll just have to ask them when I think of them.

Thanks a bunch  ;D 




Once you get an offer message and accept it, your CFRC should be able to start your claim and get you an advance on it.  Re: the issue of kitting you out, your CFRC should be able to answer that as well but as I guess, you should be able to get a basic kitting out prior to RFD at 16 Wing Borden.  If not, you will have to ask your CFRC at the time of 'transfer'/acceptance the issue about your kit, as I am sure if you are showing up for your 3s, they will expect that you already have the basic kit and will only require MOC specific top-up.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: aesop081 on August 06, 2008, 23:32:41
Travel day to course is one day.......therefore if you chose to drive there you will have to tell them that and ( as happenned to me several times) you will only be covered financialy up to the cost of the ticket on an airline. You will not get money for lodging.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: AlphaQup on August 07, 2008, 12:11:23
Hey guys, I've searched the forum for this specific question but didn't find anything. My question is this:

The posts I came across suggested it would be a good idea to join the reserves to see whether or not you'd enjoy military life. So I'm wondering if I do join the reserves(hoping to get the process started in January 2009 so I can head off to summer BMQ after the spring semester of school is over) will I be able to apply to ROTP the following year or would I have to remuster(I doubt this is the correct word, maybe 'release' is more appropriate) from the reserves before I can apply for ROTP?

I hope this made sense, if not please let me know. Thanks!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on August 07, 2008, 12:27:19
If you are in the PRes, you can apply for ROTP.  If accepted, you would then do what is called a Component Transfer, tranferring between the Primary Reserve and Regular Force components of the CF.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: rt76 on August 07, 2008, 18:11:35
Eye In The Sky:  I received a written offer and have already accepted it.  Now I just seem to be in limbo with no clarification on anything, with my TOS being 4 weeks away.  Can I go to my local CFRC and inquire about travel claim, kit etc. without getting myself in trouble, seeing as I'm not going to my reserve unit.  Seeing as I've asked my reserve unit, and they haven't had too many answers for me.

Thanks :)

Once you get an offer message and accept it, your CFRC should be able to start your claim and get you an advance on it.  Re: the issue of kitting you out, your CFRC should be able to answer that as well but as I guess, you should be able to get a basic kitting out prior to RFD at 16 Wing Borden.  If not, you will have to ask your CFRC at the time of 'transfer'/acceptance the issue about your kit, as I am sure if you are showing up for your 3s, they will expect that you already have the basic kit and will only require MOC specific top-up.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on August 08, 2008, 04:23:50
Well, from when I did my CT (1.5 years ago), the CFRC did all my "reg force" admin, not the PRes unit.  PRes unit was responsible for my PRes out clearance and release, CFRC was the gaining unit so they handled all my Reg Frce admin, including travel to unit I was posted to, claims, etc etc.  Because they deal with it so often, they had a solid grasp of what the process was.

Your PRes unit is the 'loosing unit' and their responsibility to make sure you are properly cleared out/'released' from the PRes, and the CFRC did my admin/co-ord for my Reg Force requirements (admin, kit, etc).  I made a list of questions 2 weeks ahead of my CT date, sent them to my File Manager at the CFRC, so she had enough time to deal with those items, which she emailed me back in 2 days with my instructions/answers.  So, I would definitely ask the questions to the CFRC, BUT I recommend you make a detailed list of questions you have, put them in a clear, concise logical format, and give them to the CFRC and not expect answers back in 5 minutes as they are usually busy people.  Give them the time they need to look after you, and they will.  Be professional with them and you won't have people shutting doors in your face.

The day I signed my CT, I was well looked after and it was simply a matter of confirming the info previously given to me (confirmatory orders sort of thing).  I had already been kitted out the week of my CT (I signed on a Friday) and had turned in the applic kit I was required to.  I gave them lead time to address my question, then did what I could to make it easy for them as well. 

So yes, ask the CFRC, your File Manager, your questions but do it in a professional manner;  make a list, as complete as you can, of questions.  Give them time to reply.  Once they do, do your part to make it happen. 

Your CT offer should have the info on your CT date, report date, etc etc on it, mine did.  Read it again and see if some of the info you are looking for isn't in it, and then contact your File Mgr. 
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: AlphaQup on August 08, 2008, 15:45:22
If you are in the PRes, you can apply for ROTP.  If accepted, you would then do what is called a Component Transfer, tranferring between the Primary Reserve and Regular Force components of the CF.
Thanks Eye, I appreciate it.

Can you tell me what your experience in PRes was like? Did you attend while going to school? How did you prepare for the physical which is done at the CFRC instead of BMQ. Was it difficult to balance it? A classmate of mine is in the Reserves and he seems to balance it quite well. Any other info would be appreciated.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: mysteriousmind on August 09, 2008, 08:10:07
AlphaQup PM inbound
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: bran on August 19, 2008, 20:03:49
Hey everyone,

I've searched the forum for my question but haven't been able to find anything relating to it so I'm hoping that someone could help me out. When doing a component transfer from primary reserves to regular force how is the regiment/battalion that you will transfer to determined? i.e if I was transferring from 4RCR would I have to stay with one of the battalions from RCR or would I be able to switch to PPCLI?

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: skyd1vr on August 19, 2008, 20:53:07
form asks for regimental affiliation desired.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: 2 Cdo on August 20, 2008, 11:04:55
Hey everyone,

I've searched the forum for my question but haven't been able to find anything relating to it so I'm hoping that someone could help me out. When doing a component transfer from primary reserves to regular force how is the regiment/battalion that you will transfer to determined? i.e if I was transferring from 4RCR would I have to stay with one of the battalions from RCR or would I be able to switch to PPCLI?

Thanks in advance

Unless things have changed drastically over the years you could "request" PPCLI, RCR or R22R.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: bran on August 20, 2008, 12:00:21
thanks for the info guys, i appreciate it.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: skyd1vr on August 20, 2008, 12:24:20
Unless things have changed drastically over the years you could "request" PPCLI, RCR or R22R.

Why would anyone want to request ppcli or r22r....i dunno..lol.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Loachman on August 20, 2008, 12:31:02
Being ex-4 RCR myself, I was wondering exactly the same thing.

There has to be a cure for this unfortunate condition.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: bran on August 20, 2008, 13:36:41
A little bit of sarcasm I'm guessing?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Loachman on August 20, 2008, 13:42:45
A little bit of sarcasm I'm guessing?

Genuine concern.

Not that there's anything wrong with the Other Two Regiments.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: reverse_eng on August 20, 2008, 14:14:52
Don't worry dude, I've never seen someone CT and NOT go PPCLI...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Technoviking on August 20, 2008, 14:32:42
Don't worry dude, I've never seen someone CT and NOT go PPCLI...
Then you've never seen me (http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=9529;sa=summary)!
;D


Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: M.hutch on August 20, 2008, 22:37:29
I've just received my CT offer ( Pres inf. to Reg inf.) and I'm told i have to redo my DP1. How long would i have to be in to skip this step? I hate the thought of leaving my family for about 3 months to relearn everything again.

I have 3 years in, qualified IPSW(DP2A w/e it's called now) and received my basic mountain ops.

Thanks.

*From the way it sounds I might not get my requested battalion... whats in it for me now?  *rant off*
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Technoviking on August 20, 2008, 22:48:01
I've just received my CT offer ( Pres inf. to Reg inf.) and I'm told i have to redo my DP1. How long would i have to be in to skip this step? I hate the thought of leaving my family for about 3 months to relearn everything again.

I have 3 years in, qualified IPSW(DP2A w/e it's called now) and received my basic mountain ops.

Thanks.

*From the way it sounds I might not get my requested battalion... whats in it for me now?  *rant off*
Given that you have three years in, that's irrelevant (you could be a class B ranger to a pure one-weekend a month dude with a full time job, etc and so forth).  It's all about qualifications.  Platoon support weapons course is good to have, as is basic mountain ops.  Now, I can tell you a story from WAY back when, but the 'rule of thumb' was to drop two ranks (when I went CT, I dropped from Sgt to Cpl. OK, technically one rank, but MCpl was being counted as a rank for all intents and purposes).  I assume that you are Cpl, three years in.  Most likely you have never served class C, no?  So, in that case, most likely, you'll have to go DP 1 (Meaford, Wainwright, Valcartier or elsewhere) then on to a unit.  It sounds as though this three months means that you will get to "bypass" St Jean.  Hey, take what you can.  When I went Officer, I was already a MCpl (In The RCR), with small arms, etc, but still had to "start over" at basic officer training.  Just put a positive spin on it, and you'll do fine.  Consider it a challenge.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: BigRudy on August 20, 2008, 23:27:22
another option is to do a tour first from the reserves. After tour you get a contract offer for the same rank and pay as you proved yourself capable in overseas.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on August 20, 2008, 23:41:07
IIRC, also factored in is actual course you took.   How many times did the Res Armd BTT/TQ3/QL3 course TP/QS change over the span of the years?  POs added, dropped, changed, etc.  Certain courses meet the criteria to not repeat the training, certain ones do. 

If you take the offer, redoing DP1 will have some benefits;  you'll get to know the guys and gals you'll be serving with, you'll get in great shape, you'll get paid, you'll have a chance to show some Junior Leadership skills and the like, by helping with the true FNGs to the Inf, and things like that.

I know of one guy in my old Res unit who went Res Armour to Reg Armour; he had more than one Res QL4 qual and on his CT, he redid his QL3.  It happens sometimes.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: geo on August 21, 2008, 09:36:20
another option is to do a tour first from the reserves. After tour you get a contract offer for the same rank and pay as you proved yourself capable in overseas.

Yup... great option... instead of being away from your family for 90 days, you'll be away from your family for going on 12 to 18 months.... Lead up training & deployment being bundled into the equation.... then again, once you are CTd and into your new unit, you'll be scheduled for a ROTO over yonder.

All in good time my man, all in good time. :warstory:
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Technoviking on August 21, 2008, 09:43:44
Yup... great option... instead of being away from your family for 90 days, you'll be away from your family for going on 12 to 18 months....
I noted that too; however, his point was that he would be away for 3 months to re-learn stuff.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: geo on August 21, 2008, 10:47:07
I figure that, once you are on course, you're going to be training with people who are going to be posted to your Regiment (if not your specific batallion)...
It's better to learn with everyone else VS showing up at the unit and be expected to know some material that you don't
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: 2 Cdo on August 21, 2008, 14:51:58
Why would anyone want to request ppcli or r22r....i dunno..lol.

To avoid rock-painting and pounding the parade square. 8)

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Being ex-4 RCR myself, I was wondering exactly the same thing.

There has to be a cure for this unfortunate condition.

The only cure for the unfortunate condition of being RCR is to go PPCLI or VanDoo! 8)

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Not that there's anything wrong with the Other Two Regiments.

Or anything right with that one regiment! 8)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: skyd1vr on August 21, 2008, 15:08:56
To avoid rock-painting and pounding the parade square. 8)

The only cure for the unfortunate condition of being RCR is to go PPCLI or VanDoo! 8)

Or anything right with that one regiment! 8)

don't get me wrong..i have some good friends who where pickly...they rebadged to RCR...and of course, RCR and PPCLI do have one common enemy....vandoo's...lol
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: 2 Cdo on August 21, 2008, 15:37:17
don't get me wrong..i have some good friends who where pickly...they rebadged to RCR...and of course, RCR and PPCLI do have one common enemy....vandoo's...lol

It's all in good fun. I have friends in all 3 regiments and we routinely give each other a hard time.

BTW most of our remusters to the RCR are the guys we didn't want! We'd have taken a puck bag in return for them! 8)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: geo on August 21, 2008, 15:39:13
Vandoos are ennemy?

Naw - say it ain't so Joe...

Everyone loves the R21+1R 8)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: skyd1vr on August 21, 2008, 15:49:44
It's all in good fun. I have friends in all 3 regiments and we routinely give each other a hard time.

True, two of the best friends i made in the air force, after remustering are patricias and this is what we do to each other...razzzzzz
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Technoviking on August 21, 2008, 15:59:00
It's all in good fun. I have friends in all 3 regiments and we routinely give each other a hard time.
The only bad news I have for you, 2 Cdo, is that the front of L104 (I think that's the number, the old 2 Cdo shacks) has, on it's front, displayed rather proudly, I may add, is the following:

3 RCR
;D
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: geo on August 21, 2008, 16:29:49
Oooh... fightin dirty >:D
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: dapaterson on August 21, 2008, 16:58:52
The only bad news I have for you, 2 Cdo, is that the front of L104 (I think that's the number, the old 2 Cdo shacks) has, on it's front, displayed rather proudly, I may add, is the following:

3 RCR
;D

Ouch.  How poorly written.

Shouldn't it read

3rd Bn, The RCR
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: geo on August 22, 2008, 09:26:07
(They're Infantry) >:D
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: 2 Cdo on August 22, 2008, 10:21:18
The only bad news I have for you, 2 Cdo, is that the front of L104 (I think that's the number, the old 2 Cdo shacks) has, on it's front, displayed rather proudly, I may add, is the following:

3 RCR
;D

MR, it makes my heart ache every time I'm in Pet to see our old shacks desecrated with RCR markings.  ;) But when's the last time they had a real good canoe party? (Ex 2 Cdo guys will understand exactly what I'm referring to. :o)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Klinkaroo on October 22, 2008, 19:43:14
My personal opinion, if you need 13 weeks of class B time to bypass recruit school, why not take some TD or such instead of the 13 weeks of basic?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Not a Sig Op on October 22, 2008, 19:49:15
One maple guardian tasking with OpFor in Wainwright would give you 13 weeks...

All sorts of driver/storeman taskings out there everywhere... meaford, gagetown, aldershot, etc.

It's all up to you, do you WANT to get a bypass on recruit school? It's not hard at all to find a call out...

If you don't have your corprals yet, but you don't have that long to go, it's just as well to stick around in the reserves till your promotion... while you won't keep the rank, as I understand it at least, you'll keep the payrate....
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: bran on October 22, 2008, 20:16:38
You need 13 weeks in P Res to CT to the Reg Force and by pass BMQ, SQ and DP1? Does that mean you need 3 plus months as a fully trained Pte to qualify? Or do you need to be a Cpl first to be able to CT without redoing recruit training?

Thanks for the help, I'm just a little confused. 
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: shaunlin on October 22, 2008, 20:31:03
When you do a CT class B days are counted 1 for 1 and class A days are counted at 1/4 days... Unfortunately even if you are reserve Cpl and your days are less than the 4 years needed for Cpl than you only get the pay grade based on the level you qualify for,  If your granted time is less than 30 months you will be a no hook again.  Sucks but what can you do.  If you are going combat arms than it may not be a bad thing to redo basic/sq, you may find that the reserve courses don't quite prepare you for battle school and such.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on October 22, 2008, 21:24:30

If you don't have your corprals yet, but you don't have that long to go, it's just as well to stick around in the reserves till your promotion... while you won't keep the rank, as I understand it at least, you'll keep the payrate....


Do you happen to have a reference to a policy on this, or is this a guess?

When you get your offer, it will include ALL your info, you EPZ date, rank/IPC, VIE length, TCP, posting, course requirements, report date, move instructions.  It won't include your PFTPS (Previous Full Time Paid Service), that is calculated when you elect to buy back your PRes time.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Chief Engineer on October 22, 2008, 21:33:57
Do you happen to have a reference to a policy on this, or is this a guess?

When you get your offer, it will include ALL your info, you EPZ date, rank/IPC, VIE length, TCP, posting, course requirements, report date, move instructions.  It won't include your PFTPS (Previous Full Time Paid Service), that is calculated when you elect to buy back your PRes time.

Yes, you should get to keep your payrate until your reg pay catches up.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on October 22, 2008, 21:47:35
Yes, you should get to keep your payrate until your reg pay catches up.

Again, is there a reference to this?  It doesn't matter to me personally but...others will read this thread, the reference might be handy to them.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Chief Engineer on October 22, 2008, 21:57:39
Actually I think its only for people on Class C http://www.forces.gc.ca/dgcb/cbi/pdf/CBI_204_Sec_3.pdf (http://www.forces.gc.ca/dgcb/cbi/pdf/CBI_204_Sec_3.pdf). Not too shabby for a PO1 to drop to LS and keep their PO1 pay.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Klinkaroo on October 22, 2008, 21:59:51
This post also has some information you could look at.

http://forums.air-force.ca/forums/index.php/topic,79841.0.html
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Not a Sig Op on October 22, 2008, 22:16:26
A thought....

I've talked a few new reservists in the past who were waiting until they were QL5 qualified so they could get the $20 000 signing bonus, and I pointed out to said individuals that the $20 000 bonus they'd recieve wouldn't make up for the money they WOULDN'T make by staying at home as class A junkies...

That being said, if it's only a matter of a few weeks class B in order to get a recruit school by-pass, or better yet, if it's only a year or so till your promotion to corpral, a thought...

Any class B contract under 180 days where you're away from home will be a TD contract, so your R&Q is paid for, and you recieve TD... so all money you make goes into your pocket... go reg force immediately, you'll either be paying R&Q or paying rent and buying your own food anyway, plus, you can get your corpral pay rate within a year, rather than waiting three or four years... just a thought... definitly financially beneficial in the long run...

The only caution I'll give you is this (And this is speaking from personal experience). Don't allow Class B to become a career, it's only a short term job, and have your plan and stick to it.

The other bit of advice is this, get yourself some health insurance, shouldn't cost a lot, but if you need it, it pays for itself.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: bran on October 23, 2008, 15:43:29
I'm still confused with the process, would it be best to get on a class B contract within the reserves before doing a CT, to make sure you have enough time in to by pass recruit school? I'm still only in basic with the reserves but it kind of sounds like its not worth doing if I'm going to have to do it again when I transfer to the regs. I was also under the impression that after 2yrs you get promoted to Cpl.

Can anyone help me out, I'd appreciate it
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on October 23, 2008, 15:53:06
I'm still confused with the process, would it be best to get on a class B contract within the reserves before doing a CT, to make sure you have enough time in to by pass recruit school? I'm still only in basic with the reserves but it kind of sounds like its not worth doing if I'm going to have to do it again when I transfer to the regs. I was also under the impression that after 2yrs you get promoted to Cpl.

Can anyone help me out, I'd appreciate it

If you are on BMQ right now, finish it.  How do you think your CT application will look if you tell the recruiter "Oh, I quit my BMQ because...". 

Can anyone provide a reference to the policy that states *x amount of days Class B+PRes BMQ is required for a RSB when doing a CT*?  Lots of people are talking about it yet I've yet to see it in black and white.

Cpl in 2 years is the normal progression (with the required course{s}) in the Reserves.  In the Reg Force it is normally 4 years to make Cpl.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: bran on October 23, 2008, 16:06:59
If you are on BMQ right now, finish it.  How do you think your CT application will look if you tell the recruiter "Oh, I quit my BMQ because...". 

Can anyone provide a reference to the policy that states *x amount of days Class B+PRes BMQ is required for a RSB when doing a CT*?  Lots of people are talking about it yet I've yet to see it in black and white.

Cpl in 2 years is the normal progression (with the required course{s}) in the Reserves.  In the Reg Force it is normally 4 years to make Cpl.

Yeah you're right. Hopefully someone has the black and white copy of the policy.

Thanks for the quick reply
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on October 23, 2008, 16:26:00
would it be best to get on a class B contract within the reserves before doing a CT, to make sure you have enough time in to by pass recruit school?

I have to add my 2 cents to this kind of thought.  Lets think about this for a second.  First, in the Reserves, you'd have to complete your BMQ, SQ and DP1 courses (depending, this could be the better part of a year and in some cases longer), then find a Class B position you qualified for as a Pte/Tpr/Gnr/Spr/OS, whichever your case is, and spend *x* amount of days in it (if this is even an official policy).  I used to be part of the Hiring/Selection Board for Class B positions at the CBG HQ I worked at for Jnr NCO and Pte positions, and I don't remember sitting on a single board that only had 1 applicant, so you are competing with people usually for Cl B positions (not always the case but is sometimes), so there is no guaruntee you will even get a Class B (you have to meet all the fitness requirements, etc etc as well).  If you aren't screened out by meeting the requirements on the Employment Opportunity msg, then you get to compete with everyone else who has an interest in the position.  Again, some of the Class B aren't that difficult but, having been a Class B Commando for a longgggggggg time before I CTd, I can tell you, some of them are.

Why would you go thru all that to avoid 10 weeks/2.5-3 months of BMQ?  Sure, do 2 years in the Res, buy back your time, I know all about that.  Sure, there are some hassles on BMQ, but are they REALLY worth putting off a Reg Force career, if that is what you really want, for the sake of 10 weeks?  Those 2 years in the Reg Force, you'd be half way to Cpl, trained to a QL3 level (or close, depending on your MOC) and have 2 years pensionable time under your belt.

IMO, if you really want to be Reg Force but your decisions are based around the RSB, how bad to you really want in? 
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Beadwindow 7 on October 24, 2008, 07:59:42

I'm trying to find the Documentation as to x ammount of days class B Service = RSBP, but I'm not sure. It would be somewhere in a PLAR matrix under DMCA, I imagine. Either that, or something in CFRG. I do know it exists. Somewhere in the 52-56 day range, but I can't find the documentation.

As far as pay protection, here's a direct quote from CF Mil Pers Instruction 03 08

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There is no guaranteed pay protection on transfer from the Res F to the Reg F

Time Credit for Promotion and Pay Increment are based off Previous Full-Time Paid Service.

And as far as Rank Protection, that is only at the uncontrolled rank level.

Most of this stuff and the applicable refs can be found in the Mil Pers Instruction:

http://hr.dwan.dnd.ca/docs/instruction/instructions/engraph/pdf/CF_Mil_Pers_Instr_03_08_e.pdf
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: bran on October 24, 2008, 11:09:00
I have to add my 2 cents to this kind of thought.  Lets think about this for a second.  First, in the Reserves, you'd have to complete your BMQ, SQ and DP1 courses (depending, this could be the better part of a year and in some cases longer), then find a Class B position you qualified for as a Pte/Tpr/Gnr/Spr/OS, whichever your case is, and spend *x* amount of days in it (if this is even an official policy).  I used to be part of the Hiring/Selection Board for Class B positions at the CBG HQ I worked at for Jnr NCO and Pte positions, and I don't remember sitting on a single board that only had 1 applicant, so you are competing with people usually for Cl B positions (not always the case but is sometimes), so there is no guaruntee you will even get a Class B (you have to meet all the fitness requirements, etc etc as well).  If you aren't screened out by meeting the requirements on the Employment Opportunity msg, then you get to compete with everyone else who has an interest in the position.  Again, some of the Class B aren't that difficult but, having been a Class B Commando for a longgggggggg time before I CTd, I can tell you, some of them are.

Why would you go thru all that to avoid 10 weeks/2.5-3 months of BMQ?  Sure, do 2 years in the Res, buy back your time, I know all about that.  Sure, there are some hassles on BMQ, but are they REALLY worth putting off a Reg Force career, if that is what you really want, for the sake of 10 weeks?  Those 2 years in the Reg Force, you'd be half way to Cpl, trained to a QL3 level (or close, depending on your MOC) and have 2 years pensionable time under your belt.

IMO, if you really want to be Reg Force but your decisions are based around the RSB, how bad to you really want in? 

You make some good points, I had no idea that a class B contract was that hard to come by. I just wanted to put a little information under my belt so if I do decide to CT I will know what I'm in for. If gaining a class B is that difficult, doing recruit school again would surly be the way to go.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on October 24, 2008, 11:22:32
You make some good points, I had no idea that a class B contract was that hard to come by. I just wanted to put a little information under my belt so if I do decide to CT I will know what I'm in for. If gaining a class B is that difficult, doing recruit school again would surly be the way to go.

Some of them are, some of them aren't.  But...you should never count on a Class B is the point.  Even when you have one, it can be terminated for various reasons in 30 days.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Hatchet Man on October 24, 2008, 12:25:17


The only caution I'll give you is this (And this is speaking from personal experience). Don't allow Class B to become a career, it's only a short term job, and have your plan and stick to it.

+1 There is a reason Class Bs are typically 1 year (or in some cases 3) contracts. 

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Some of them are, some of them aren't.  But...you should never count on a Class B is the point.  Even when you have one, it can be terminated for various reasons in 30 days.

Yup, and I will add to that, most Class B positions, (beyond the summer tasking/course support), tend to be of the "support" type (ie clerks, stormen etc.), that require skills and experience (usually computer programs like Claims X) that most infantry types (such as you ONT) do not posses.  Even if the message says any trade can apply it will have in brackets, RMS/Sup Tech etc/MSE Op etc. preferred, which means, if you as infantry soldier apply, and are competing against one of those "preferred" people, guess who is going to get the job.  That isn't to say you can't somehow learn the specialized skills (eg my unit's fin clk, and CClk are both infantry MCpls, and learned the knoweledge they needed to do their jobs through the OJT method).  The other obstacle is rank. There are very very few (if any) long term Class B's that a Pte(B) can apply for.   The minimum rank is typically Cpl, and in some cases a Snr Pte(t). 
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Sonnyjim on October 24, 2008, 12:45:51
I completed a CT about 6 months back after having been in the reserves for just under 2 years. I was only given the days I worked in the reserves transfered to my regular force contract. The length of time you have in has no bearing (ie. 4 years in reserves could only mean you worked 250 days in those 4 years). Just because you have the rank of Cpl. in the reserves means absolutely nothing when it comes to CT's atleast as far as I'm concerned. I was lucky enough to have a good Regiment with good quaility and extra training dates which allowed me to accumulate some extra work days towards my transfer. I still had to re-do my DP1 Infantry course and was docked paygrade as well as rank (hook Pte. to no hook and a few weeks from Cpl.). I was given a paygrade based on the ammount of actual working days I had in the reserves. If I had been a Cpl. in the reserves for 4 years but only had 200 working days, I would have lost my rank to no hook private and been paid a level 1 Private. They do this because to be a qualified Private in the reserves it took me 12 weeks and in the Regular Force it takes 28 weeks. You get your hook right after DP1 in the reserves but it takes a year and a half in battalion to get your hook. Same with Cpl. it takes 2 years in Reserves and 4 in Regs (again depending) so there is that difference in rank structure as well which is why the pay and the rank is lowered when CTing. Overall though in my personal experience I opted to re-do my DP1 Infantry to freshen up my skills and get to know the people I was going to be working with. It was a rough go, but a good go and I'm very glad that I went through with it rather than trying to get more days on my watch. Was a bit all over the map but hope you could get some points out of it.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Hatchet Man on October 24, 2008, 14:51:30
I completed a CT about 6 months back after having been in the reserves for just under 2 years. I was only given the days I worked in the reserves transfered to my regular force contract. The length of time you have in has no bearing (ie. 4 years in reserves could only mean you worked 250 days in those 4 years).

Length of time absolutely has bearing, even if it is just just class A.  You still recieve credit for those days, even if it isn't much. 

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Just because you have the rank of Cpl. in the reserves means absolutely nothing when it comes to CT's atleast as far as I'm concerned.

Well then good thing it is not up to you, its up to the Managing Authorities for each trade in consultation with DMCA, to decide if you get to keep Cpl rank (if you have attained it) or not.  If they feel you have a enough TI, experience, courses etc. then you keep it.

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I was lucky enough to have a good Regiment with good quaility and extra training dates which allowed me to accumulate some extra work days towards my transfer.

Doing extra Class A days doesn't help you at all with it comes to figuring out the Time Credit incentive for CTs.  The way it works is thus.  Take the entire time you were in the reserves and presume it to be straight Class A. Your case 2 years.  2x365=730.  Now if you had any Class B time you would subtract it from the first number, (eg summer tasking =60 days Class B) so 730-60=670.  Now you divide that by 4, 670/4=167.5, and add back the Class B 167.5+60=227.5.  Thats the what you get credit for.  You don't add up each individual Class A day then divide by 4, you take the entire year, how many class A days you worked is irrelevant.

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I still had to re-do my DP1 Infantry course and was docked paygrade as well as rank (hook Pte. to no hook and a few weeks from Cpl.). I was given a paygrade based on the ammount of actual working days I had in the reserves.

You weren't docked anything. There is no pay/rank protection when CT from Res to Reg.  And you were given your paygrade, based upon the Time Credit formula, not how many Class A days you worked.

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If I had been a Cpl. in the reserves for 4 years but only had 200 working days, I would have lost my rank to no hook private and been paid a level 1 Private.

Thats usually the case however, Cpl is an uncontrolled rank, so losing it is not automatic.

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They do this because to be a qualified Private in the reserves it took me 12 weeks and in the Regular Force it takes 28 weeks.

Trade Dependant

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You get your hook right after DP1 in the reserves but it takes a year and a half in battalion to get your hook. Same with Cpl. it takes 2 years in Reserves and 4 in Regs (again depending) so there is that difference in rank structure as well which is why the pay and the rank is lowered when CTing.

Again it depends on what trade you are coming from/going to.  And again thats not why your pay and rank MAY be lowered. 



Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Sonnyjim on October 24, 2008, 14:55:42
Well that just about clears things up for me and I'm sure for the guy who asked the question in the first place.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Chief Engineer on October 24, 2008, 15:32:33

 There is no pay/rank protection when CT from Res to Reg. 


There is in some cases, IF you are Class C you can keep your res pay rate until your reg pay catches up.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Hatchet Man on October 24, 2008, 16:04:22
There is in some cases, IF you are Class C you can keep your res pay rate until your reg pay catches up.

I know, I was trying to keep things as simple as possible in my explanation.  The whole process is already confusing enough for some people I didn't want to add to it.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Castus on November 30, 2008, 18:25:21
I joined the CF very recently, swore in a year and a few days ago to the PRes and started going to my unit in February. Nothing really was important, though, until I started on my courses in May. I did my BMQ through DP1 this summer, finishing in early August. Had it not been for a couple of torn ligaments in my ankle (which I ended up reinjuring later on, but are now fully healed) I would have applied for a component transfer to Reg Force immediately. In fact, I kind of regret not join the Regs right off the bat, even though I do love my regiment.

In any case, I put a memo up the CoC last week, and my MCpl handed it up to the Platoon LT. I'm slotted in for an interview with him on Tuesday.

Here comes the catch - since I've been discussing this, I've been told by a very large amount of people that it's not a good idea if I want to end up doing Regs. Obviously, I'd like to go on roto with the Forces in my trade, which is infantry. I literally just got my hook, which means if I CT then I will have to redo my SQ and DP1 courses, Regs, to regain it back. I don't have a problem with redoing courses, but at the same time I want to move on this as soon as possible. I've also been told that being promoted after CTing in this way will take forever and a half, even to Corporal.

What I was advised, recently, was to apply for the next roto whose training has not started yet. Several guys who are on FO training right now, several more who have done tours as Reservists, some of them staying PRes and others transferring to Reg Force and a few guys who've only been Reg Force have advised me of this. I'm all for making my own decisions but this is a lot of weight in favour of doing a roto as a reservist, then choosing to move up to Reg Force at the end of the tour and keeping my rank and qualifications. I wanted to get other people's opinions, on this board, if possible.

Thanks!
Pte. Confused
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on November 30, 2008, 18:50:39
I joined the CF very recently, swore in a year and a few days ago to the PRes and started going to my unit in February. Nothing really was important, though, until I started on my courses in May. I did my BMQ through DP1 this summer, finishing in early August. Had it not been for a couple of torn ligaments in my ankle (which I ended up reinjuring later on, but are now fully healed) I would have applied for a component transfer to Reg Force immediately. In fact, I kind of regret not join the Regs right off the bat, even though I do love my regiment.

In any case, I put a memo up the CoC last week, and my MCpl handed it up to the Platoon LT. I'm slotted in for an interview with him on Tuesday.

Here comes the catch - since I've been discussing this, I've been told by a very large amount of people that it's not a good idea if I want to end up doing Regs. Obviously, I'd like to go on roto with the Forces in my trade, which is infantry. I literally just got my hook, which means if I CT then I will have to redo my SQ and DP1 courses, Regs, to regain it back. I don't have a problem with redoing courses, but at the same time I want to move on this as soon as possible. I've also been told that being promoted after CTing in this way will take forever and a half, even to Corporal.

What I was advised, recently, was to apply for the next roto whose training has not started yet. Several guys who are on FO training right now, several more who have done tours as Reservists, some of them staying PRes and others transferring to Reg Force and a few guys who've only been Reg Force have advised me of this. I'm all for making my own decisions but this is a lot of weight in favour of doing a roto as a reservist, then choosing to move up to Reg Force at the end of the tour and keeping my rank and qualifications. I wanted to get other people's opinions, on this board, if possible.

Thanks!
Pte. Confused

Sounds like you have had some Bovine Scatology sent your way.  Have you bothered to read the Topic on this site specifically dealing with CT from Reserve to Reg Force?  We don't need to start a whole new topic on something we have covered in the past.  The story gets rather old.

Perhaps look here: http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,69570.msg658689.html#msg658689 (http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,69570.msg658689.html#msg658689)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Castus on November 30, 2008, 20:11:55
Well, I did read this : http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,17678.0.html

Not sure if that's the topic you're talking about, but it's filled with some pretty bad stories of people waiting years for things to advance. It kind of seemed to coincide with what I was told by people who are at my unit/used to be with us before CTing after a roto/are just reg force.

Anyways, I'm not really sure what to think, at this point.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NFLD Sapper on November 30, 2008, 20:15:26
Well, I did read this : http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,17678.0.html

Not sure if that's the topic you're talking about, but it's filled with some pretty bad stories of people waiting years for things to advance. It kind of seemed to coincide with what I was told by people who are at my unit/used to be with us before CTing after a roto/are just reg force.

Anyways, I'm not really sure what to think, at this point.

Yeah that was a project started by the former CDS.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Sonnyjim on November 30, 2008, 20:20:19
Hey Castus,

If you're serious about making this a career choice then I would suggest that you get all the experience you can get. There is no SQ course in Reg Force but you will have to do the new 17 week DP1 Infantry Reg Force Training (+ or - a few weeks on holding platoon but it's good for your PT). Don't try to cut corners if you're serious about this, and get the most ammount of experience you can get. You will do training during that 17 weeks that you may not get even at Batallion and certainly did not come close to getting in DP1 Reserve. You will earn the respect of your peers and have something to show. And who cares about rank, nobody does in the regs. All we care about is our pay raise, not a hook or losing a hook or any of that (maybe some). Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Castus on November 30, 2008, 21:06:45
I'm absolutely serious about this (and I could probably use the extra PT to boot, I feel off a bit since my injury heh). I just really don't want to spend a year in a holding platoon, as someone from my regiment did a few years back when he did a straight transfer. I don't know, maybe the transfer has been streamlined?

From the link the GW posted, it looks like the Reg Force DP1 is WAY more extensive than ours, which was pretty much us moving ahead at breakneck pace and not getting to cover everything in depth. We had great staff, a lot of them very senior MCpls and Sgts but the curriculum just sucked, period. It's seriously something to consider... guess I'll see when I talk to my LT about it on Tuesday.

Anyone got more advice?

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Beadwindow 7 on November 30, 2008, 21:33:19
Yeah.
Anyone got more advice?

Yeah. If this is want you want to do, full time, then do it, and do it now. Don't get sidetracked, don't think about doing it after a course/tasking/whatever. Put in your paperwork toute suite.

You'll have to do more courses, fine, put then you get more experience.

Hell, you could probably start the paperwork, and STILL put in for a tour. That's what I did, came home, did my post-deployment, and then reported into my Reg F unit.

Dependant on how long it takes you, you very well may have your second hook by the time your transfer takes effect. And I can tell you that the difference in Res Cpl 0 and huge compared to Reg P2, P3, which you may get when you switch.

I spent a lot more time in the Res than I'd planned, because I kept putting things off.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Castus on November 30, 2008, 22:40:39
Well, I put in my memo last week. My platoon LT will prolly direct me to the CRTC (from what I've been reading) or get the BOR to have my start filling out the paperwork. I really don't want to drag this out any longer than it has to. I'd like to just get going with it so that I can start my career. Looks like the decision's pretty much made. ;)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NFLD Sapper on November 30, 2008, 22:43:11
Well, I put in my memo last week. My platoon LT will prolly direct me to the CRTC (from what I've been reading) or get the BOR to have my start filling out the paperwork. I really don't want to drag this out any longer than it has to. I'd like to just get going with it so that I can start my career. Looks like the decision's pretty much made. ;)

To the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission  ???
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: geo on November 30, 2008, 23:03:53
Ummm.... he mighta meant CFRC
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Hatchet Man on December 01, 2008, 00:01:14
Well, I put in my memo last week. My platoon LT will prolly direct me to the CRTC (from what I've been reading) or get the BOR to have my start filling out the paperwork. I really don't want to drag this out any longer than it has to. I'd like to just get going with it so that I can start my career. Looks like the decision's pretty much made. ;)

Your Pl Cmd SHOULD be directing you to fill out the this form http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,70341.msg673331.html#msg673331 and emailing to Ottawa.  To put it bluntly your CofC has SFA to do with the CT process now.  Heck you don't even need to tell them your CTing, its a nice jesture but they have no control over the process anymore, your BOR/HQ gets an email from Ottawa saying Member X is CTing, send the appropriate files to the nearest CFRC.  They are no longer involved in the process specifically because some units/CO's had the habit of holding up/delaying members from CTing for months/year on end. 
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Castus on December 01, 2008, 00:14:48
Wow, thanks for passing along that info, Hatchet. And yeah, I meant CFRC, whoops. My plt cmd is on the ball, so I hopefully won't get too much grief. My friend is OT & CTing to LOG, and he's not had any trouble from the regiment, I don't expect any either. Thanks for the advice, and once I get that memo I'll be able to get this show on the road.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: geo on December 01, 2008, 09:55:49
Castus... your unit has not been in habbit of holding onto files - thereby blocking CTs
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Castus on December 01, 2008, 11:31:22
That's what I gathered from my friend, a Corporal, doing his CT & OT to Log without much grief. Did you  CT from the RMR, Geo?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: geo on December 01, 2008, 15:05:15
Nope - but was there for many good years
I still know most of the "head shed" & they're a good bunch
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: MKO on December 02, 2008, 23:02:15
Quote
Wow, thanks for passing along that info, Hatchet. And yeah, I meant CFRC, whoops. My plt cmd is on the ball, so I hopefully won't get too much grief. My friend is OT & CTing to LOG, and he's not had any trouble from the regiment, I don't expect any either. Thanks for the advice, and once I get that memo I'll be able to get this show on the road.

Castus, just to emphasize the point, you don't have to wait for anything to make the application - you are able to use the weblink whenever you like.  You do not need to go to the CFRC either, unless later on there is something that they need to do for you, but you'll receive direction on that if necessary from the staff at Director Military Careers Administration (DMCA).

Not sure when your friend started the process, however it has changed quite a bit in the last months so what he is doing might not be what you need to because of those changes.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Castus on December 02, 2008, 23:33:38
My platoon LT had me fill the application in on the intranet tonight, which I obviously didn't have access to. He's a "Reserves exist to augment the Reg Force" kind of guys (thank god) and gave me some info packets on how the whole process works, again, off the intranet. So it's all in the works.

Thanks for the help, everyone!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: geo on December 03, 2008, 10:14:32
Glad all went well
Not much is going to happen at this time of year (XMass block leave is coming up)
Have a good XMass break & you should hear back from them in the new year
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: bran on December 23, 2008, 19:48:16
Can you do a CT before your are fully qualified?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on December 23, 2008, 19:51:20
Can you do a CT before your are fully qualified?

No.

If you don't have a MOC/MOSID then you don't do a CT. 
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: meni0n on December 23, 2008, 22:41:26
Yes you can. I had my paperwork in before I went on a QL3 and all I had left to do before the summer was the interview.  I had the choice of not going on my QL3 and just doing the interview or go and do it after.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: reverse_eng on December 23, 2008, 22:45:27
I know in the infantry you can CT from res inf to the regs and keep Cpl in some cases...and yet still have to redo DP1.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on December 23, 2008, 22:55:20
Yes you can. I had my paperwork in before I went on a QL3 and all I had left to do before the summer was the interview.  I had the choice of not going on my QL3 and just doing the interview or go and do it after.

Did you go through the CFRC or DCIM (or whatever)?  If you don't have a Trade, you are still basically a "Recruit". 
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on December 23, 2008, 22:56:19
I know in the infantry you can CT from res inf to the regs and keep Cpl in some cases...and yet still have to redo DP1.

Yes.  We know that.  That is what a Component Transfer (CT) is.  Depending on your Trade, Qualifications, and Tours, etc. you may keep all your qualifications and rank.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: meni0n on December 23, 2008, 23:10:57
George, it was thru CFRC as it was more than 4 years ago but you are still a Pte(R) within the MOC you signed up with. That is why there MOC reassignment in the regs, you're not just a Pte(R) with no assigned MOC. You're just untrained in that trade but you are still part of it. That is why a reservist with only BMQ/SQ can go thru the CT process. I don't see how someone can get to be turned away from transferring to the Reg Force from the Reserve only because he's qualified BMQ/SQ.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on December 24, 2008, 06:59:40
George, it was thru CFRC as it was more than 4 years ago  but you are still a Pte(R) within the MOC you signed up with. That is why there MOC reassignment in the regs, you're not just a Pte(R) with no assigned MOC. You're just untrained in that trade but you are still part of it. That is why a reservist with only BMQ/SQ can go thru the CT process. I don't see how someone can get to be turned away from transferring to the Reg Force from the Reserve only because he's qualified BMQ/SQ.

That was four years ago, well before they changed their procedures.  Now Trained Reservists do not go through the CFRC when they do a CT.  The CFRC has nothing to do with the processing of Reservists doing a Component Transfer, until they receive the file for Enrolment.  If you do not have a Trade, you are just like anyone else off the street, untrained.

Why someone would do a CT before they get through BMQ, SQ and get a Trade in the Reserves is beyond me.  Shows poor decision making on their part.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on December 24, 2008, 07:40:53
The CT process for Trained Reservists is no longer handled by the CFRC.   As a Reservist you are expected to go through your Chain of Command to start this process.  Read the CANFORGENs that relate to the process, and then with the help of your OR access the necessary documents on the DWAN.  DO NOT go to the CFRC to start this, as it will only create confusion and delays (due to your mistake).




For more information go to the New CT process (http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,70341.msg668253.html#msg668253) and start reading.  It contains the CANFORGENS and links that you will need to find the information you require.






Here is the new form, you fill it out save as an email attachment and send to one of the emails at the bottom of the form.


http://hr3.ottawa-hull.mil.ca/dgmc/engraph/ComponentTxfer_e.asp (http://hr3.ottawa-hull.mil.ca/dgmc/engraph/ComponentTxfer_e.asp) if you have access to the DWAN, or click on the link in the quote above to find the file here.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: meni0n on December 24, 2008, 09:01:12
George, when you are not MOC trained but have BMQ/SQ , you are semi-skilled, therefor you would not be treated as a untrained person off the street. Even if there is a new process in place, what the member is doing is just what a CT means, transferring components, from the Reserve to the Reg Force. I know about the new CT process, you asked me which process I used and I told you. I don`t see how that changes the fact that a semi-skilled reservist can do a CT to the Reg Force.

As per ref http://hr.dwan.dnd.ca/docs/instruction/instructions/engraph/pdf/CF_Mil_Pers_Instr_03_08_e.pdf

2.4 Definition of
Component
Transfer (CT)
Component Transfer (CT) is defined as the administrative process by which
a CF member voluntarily changes components with no break in service and
remains a member of the CF.
CT is characterized as follows:
·  it continues service because it does not involve release from the CF;
·  it is an administrative process that facilitates the transfer from one
component into another component;
·  the member must consent; and
·  the member must be accounted for on the gaining component’s
establishment.

And entry reqs:

3.1 Member
Eligibility
All currently serving officers and non-commissioned members of the CF are
eligible to apply for CT if the member is eligible for release under one of the
items of the table to QR&O 15 article 15.01 (Release of Officers and Noncommissioned
Members), except for the following Release Items: 1, 2, 3a, in
some conditions 3b, 5d, 5e, and 5f (refer to Table 4 for details). Overall, to be
eligible members must:
·  meet the minimum DMP POL MOSID Entry Standards for the
target occupation(s);
·  meet the medical standards for the target occupation(s) IAW A-MD-
154-000/FP-000;
·  not be subject to a restriction on a right to release as a result of,
QR&O articles 15.07, 15.071, and 15.075, or
·  signed Statement of Understanding; and
·  have a current Reliability Status (RS).
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Hatchet Man on December 24, 2008, 16:03:48
The CT process for Trained Reservists is no longer handled by the CFRC.   As a Reservist you are expected to go through your Chain of Command to start this process.  Read the CANFORGENs that relate to the process, and then with the help of your OR access the necessary documents on the DWAN.  DO NOT go to the CFRC to start this, as it will only create confusion and delays (due to your mistake).


Just a point there George, as was pointed out in one of the other CT threads (any chance these can all be merged?), there is no need or requirement to notify your CoC (as a reservist) if you intend to CT, as they have no control.  You can give them a little FYI memo if you want, or you can let them find out when Ottawa emails them ;).
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on December 24, 2008, 16:59:19
You only need to give your CoC 30 days before the effective date of your transfer to start and finish your reserve release paperwork. If you're nice and don't want to burn any bridges, I'd suggest letting them know as soon as you accept the offer.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: bran on December 24, 2008, 23:00:57
So can you do a CT if you aren't BMQ qualified?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: TCBF on December 24, 2008, 23:05:55
So can you do a CT if you aren't BMQ qualified?

- Why not?  Off to CFLRS St. Jean you go!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on December 25, 2008, 16:40:00
There have been instances where reservists are not given recruit school bypass because they do not have the time-in to earn it.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: TCBF on December 25, 2008, 16:59:53
There have been instances where reservists are not given recruit school bypass because they do not have the time-in to earn it.

- Thus my above post "Why not?  Off to CFLRS St. Jean you go!"
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: GazHead on December 26, 2008, 17:12:53
Hello, was wondering if I could get a little advice on my current situation.  I am currently a naval reservist attending a regular course BMQ at CFLRS (currently on Christmas break and with only three weeks to go until graduation).  I was wondering how and when i should go about applying for a component transfer to regular force (I have been told by different sources that i should wait until my return to BMQ to request this and others have told me i should go on-line, and yet others have told me i should wait until my BMQ finishes) , i would also like to change trades during this process from NCIOP to Mar El.  I have heard that this process can take several weeks to complete and I was also wondering if can go on contract while still on reserves to continue working full time after my BMQ ends (and while my application is in process) and if so who can i talk to in order to achieve this.  Any assistance in this matter would be very much appreciated.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Love793 on December 26, 2008, 23:25:36
GazHead-Go through CFRC upon completion of your BMQ for your CT (as it involves an OT). As for going on contract while your CT goes through, go through your home units CoC.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Chief Engineer on December 26, 2008, 23:51:34
Hello, was wondering if I could get a little advice on my current situation.  I am currently a naval reservist attending a regular course BMQ at CFLRS (currently on Christmas break and with only three weeks to go until graduation).  I was wondering how and when i should go about applying for a component transfer to regular force (I have been told by different sources that i should wait until my return to BMQ to request this and others have told me i should go on-line, and yet others have told me i should wait until my BMQ finishes) , i would also like to change trades during this process from NCIOP to Mar El.  I have heard that this process can take several weeks to complete and I was also wondering if can go on contract while still on reserves to continue working full time after my BMQ ends (and while my application is in process) and if so who can i talk to in order to achieve this.  Any assistance in this matter would be very much appreciated.

My advice would be to finish your BMQ, go back to your unit and apply for a CT to ET then. If there is no course starting soon, you may get a contract to do your basic trades training in Quebec. If there is a course for ET starting , it may be a wait of as little as a month before you can get into the regs.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Hatchet Man on December 27, 2008, 02:48:47
GazHead-Go through CFRC upon completion of your BMQ for your CT (as it involves an OT). As for going on contract while your CT goes through, go through your home units CoC.

The online form is still used for CT-OTs, not CFRC.  The CFRC only becomes involved after they get contacted by DMCA, to arrange interviews with the PSO, make sure your CFAT scores will permit a OT, etc.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: bran on December 28, 2008, 18:40:35
I am currently a naval reservist attending a regular course BMQ at CFLRS

Reservists can attend a regular force BMQ?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: aesop081 on December 28, 2008, 18:46:44
Reservists can attend a regular force BMQ?

Did my basic in 1993 with a NAVRES girl on the course.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on December 28, 2008, 18:49:02
Reservists can attend a regular force BMQ?

If your unit knows the right people to call, and you've got the free time to do it during the year, you're good to go.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NFLD Sapper on December 28, 2008, 18:50:22
AFAIK Naval Res do the Reg Force BMQ's not sure why though.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: TCBF on December 29, 2008, 05:29:25
AFAIK Naval Res do the Reg Force BMQ's not sure why though.

- To get a better product?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NFLD Sapper on December 29, 2008, 12:55:02
Could be....
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: bran on December 29, 2008, 15:09:34
So can you request your unit to send you on a regular force BMQ or is it something that just happens once in a while?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: dapaterson on December 29, 2008, 15:35:12
Reg F serials are being run at capacity right now.  NavRes stood up their own school at Borden to train Naval Reservists - and their spare capacity is being used for Reg F overflow.

Army Reserve will not be loading people on course in St Jean because they do not own the courses - and a Res candidate would get bumped for a Reg F candidate.

In addition, the Reg F serials are a somewhat rich product.  The number of mind-numbing periods on topics of key utility such as the ins and outs of the CFSS, how to open a bank account, and others are not all required for the average Res F soldier.  While the Res courses may be too thin in some areas, Reg F training could do with a bit of trimming as well - either assume the folks coming in have basic skills (and select on entry to be sure of it).  or even (gasp) stream people on entry, with 9,11 and 13 week courses, depending on entry evaluations - let the streamers go faster.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: reverse_eng on December 29, 2008, 15:39:55
Reg force courses may be longer but also seem to have too much downtime and boredom. Reserve courses on the other hand can miss out on some cool stuff, but may end up being more of a culture shock in the end. Personally I'm glad I did my basic courses in the reserves, but for trades training etc the reg force courses are probably best (especially if you can attend as a reservist, thus having the best of both worlds)

Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: TCBF on January 02, 2009, 03:55:05
Reg force courses may be longer but also seem to have too much downtime and boredom. ...

- I take it you never went through one of my Cornwallis platoons?

 ;D
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: TCBF on January 02, 2009, 04:00:55
... In addition, the Reg F serials are a somewhat rich product.  The number of mind-numbing periods on topics of key utility such as the ins and outs of the CFSS, how to open a bank account, and others are not all required for the average Res F soldier.  While the Res courses may be too thin in some areas, Reg F training could do with a bit of trimming as well - either assume the folks coming in have basic skills (and select on entry to be sure of it).  or even (gasp) stream people on entry, with 9,11 and 13 week courses, depending on entry evaluations - let the streamers go faster.

- Longer/shorter courses would be a scheduling nightmare at the same base.  Longer courses allow a better look at the recruit, gives them the time to develop physically and result in less injuries.  I agree that bumpf periods could be deleted, if the elements could agree on which periods are bumpf.  There should be MUCH more emphasis on weapons firing.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: reverse_eng on January 02, 2009, 04:15:21
- I take it you never went through one of my Cornwallis platoons?

 ;D

Fortunately I was spared the "pleasure".   ;D
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: dapaterson on January 02, 2009, 10:12:09
- Longer/shorter courses would be a scheduling nightmare at the same base.  Longer courses allow a better look at the recruit, gives them the time to develop physically and result in less injuries.  I agree that bumpf periods could be deleted, if the elements could agree on which periods are bumpf.  There should be MUCH more emphasis on weapons firing.

Meh.  We already have variable length courses - folks who are unfit are loaded into Fitness And Training platoons until they can meet a bare minimum standard, then start their course.

Perhaps we need to move to a higher enrolment standard?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: reverse_eng on January 02, 2009, 14:33:47
Enforce higher PT standards in all cmbt arms trade courses...( I've seen only a small slice of them, so feel free to correct me if there are still bagdrives out there)

EDIT: sorry, it's off topic...just needs to be said.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: TCBF on January 02, 2009, 20:23:35
Enforce higher PT standards in all cmbt arms trade courses...( I've seen only a small slice of them, so feel free to correct me if there are still bagdrives out there)

EDIT: sorry, it's off topic...just needs to be said.

- Then we are back to the bad old days - like BMI - where the clerks releasing fat combat arms soldiers were fatter than the soldiers were.

- If we do not have a basic standard, then lets adopt trade fitness catagories just as we do trade medical catagories.  Test upon component transfer.  Fail? Back to the Res Force.

- Note: you need a reservists permission to transfer them to the Regular Force.  You do NOT need a Regular's permission to transfer him to the Reserve force.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Spartan on January 13, 2009, 18:12:59
I'm currently considering a CT -  my question is if anyone knows if there has been any movement on the CL A = 1/4 when Cl B = 1/1 time consideration for going Reg force.
The reason I ask is I had picked up quite a bit of "fulltime" Cl A days for various projects at my unit in the last year. -Yes I was working beside some of my peers who were on Cl Bs, and doing the same (if not more) amount of work.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Hatchet Man on January 13, 2009, 19:31:44
I'm currently considering a CT -  my question is if anyone knows if there has been any movement on the CL A = 1/4 when Cl B = 1/1 time consideration for going Reg force.
The reason I ask is I had picked up quite a bit of "fulltime" Cl A days for various projects at my unit in the last year. -Yes I was working beside some of my peers who were on Cl Bs, and doing the same (if not more) amount of work.

Movement on Cl A time?  Why would there be any "movement"?  If you want your time to be considered 1-1, get a class B contract, plain and simple. 
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: aesop081 on January 13, 2009, 19:37:04
and doing the same (if not more) amount of work.

But you were not serving under the same conditions regardless of how much work you were doing.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Spartan on January 14, 2009, 14:36:19
The only difference was their conditions that in theory they could be sent away to CFB here or there.
I still attended all weekend and weeknight training; I still attended Tues from 8 - 1600 and then 1800 - 2200;  I still did all the ex prep/ advance party; I would get a lot of veh moves (due to being one of a few drivers available), and I would be working everyday, but you're right - they weren't the same conditions. 

 I just don't seem to understand the concept that the work I do is worth a quarter of my peers - regardless of type of work ( and no I'm not talking about various make work projects). That in support of exes - both Reg (eg SERE ) and Reserve. unit functioning - ati / veh inspections /stores cleaning / admin / etc, all count for nothing - even though without it - things fall to the wayside pretty quickly. And no, I'm not trying to come off as any type of person with the expectations of being able to live off of Cl A time - I just happened to pick up quite a bit of it.  If I'm doing the same work as my peers, why not receive the same recognition as them.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PMedMoe on January 14, 2009, 14:41:36
Be glad they're giving 1/4 time for Cl A at all.  When I got in the Reg F they really screwed up calculating my former time in (Reg and Res) and my Cl A counted for nothing.

I thought people were only supposed to work 10 Cl A days per month.  Something about more days than that being subject to EI deductions.  That's how it was when I was in the ARAF.  Has this changed (since 1995)?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: reverse_eng on January 14, 2009, 15:54:29
I remember when I was in the reserves of working more then 10 days a month on Class A... but as I remember each of us could only work a certain number of Class A days per year (80?).
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: aesop081 on January 14, 2009, 16:11:23
The only difference was their conditions that in theory they could be sent away to CFB here or there.
 

The guy on class B doesnt get to say " i'm not going in to the unit this weekend/night because i have other things i would rather do"
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Beadwindow 7 on January 14, 2009, 16:20:42
Be glad they're giving 1/4 time for Cl A at all.  When I got in the Reg F they really screwed up calculating my former time in (Reg and Res) and my Cl A counted for nothing.

I thought people were only supposed to work 10 Cl A days per month.  Something about more days than that being subject to EI deductions.  That's how it was when I was in the ARAF.  Has this changed (since 1995)?

I don't know about EI, but units only have a certain ammount of money allocated per year for Class A days. If they need more, they have to get approval from Higher. I do know that you can't work more than 13 consecutive days of class A, otherwise you need to go on class B.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: dapaterson on January 14, 2009, 16:31:30
Be glad they're giving 1/4 time for Cl A at all.  When I got in the Reg F they really screwed up calculating my former time in (Reg and Res) and my Cl A counted for nothing.

I thought people were only supposed to work 10 Cl A days per month.  Something about more days than that being subject to EI deductions.  That's how it was when I was in the ARAF.  Has this changed (since 1995)?

EI&CPP rules have changed several times over the past few years.

You can get your prior service re-examined, and possibly buy back more, but caveat emptor the rates will be different, and you could end up owing significantly more than you think reasonable for a negligible increase in future benefits (of course, your situation may vary).  In addition, there are currently significant delays in processing Reserve pension elections (March '07 files are now at the top of the pile).  Sometimes it's best to let sleeping dogs lie.


(Edit: Bizarre timeout ate my original post)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Hatchet Man on January 14, 2009, 16:54:08
The only difference was their conditions that in theory they could be sent away to CFB here or there.
I still attended all weekend and weeknight training; I still attended Tues from 8 - 1600 and then 1800 - 2200;  I still did all the ex prep/ advance party; I would get a lot of veh moves (due to being one of a few drivers available), and I would be working everyday, but you're right - they weren't the same conditions. 

There are a number of differences between Class A and Class B, that fact that you think "in theory" a person on class b can be task last minute to where ever, illustrates that you fail understand these differences. 

Quote
I just don't seem to understand the concept that the work I do is worth a quarter of my peers - regardless of type of work ( and no I'm not talking about various make work projects). That in support of exes - both Reg (eg SERE ) and Reserve. unit functioning - ati / veh inspections /stores cleaning / admin / etc, all count for nothing - even though without it - things fall to the wayside pretty quickly. And no, I'm not trying to come off as any type of person with the expectations of being able to live off of Cl A time - I just happened to pick up quite a bit of it.  If I'm doing the same work as my peers, why not receive the same recognition as them.

See above.  Your coming off as a whiner.  Either ask to be put on/seek out a class B, or stop your bitching.  No one is forcing you to do all these "extra" Class A days.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PMedMoe on January 14, 2009, 17:41:27
You can get your prior service re-examined, and possibly buy back more, but caveat emptor the rates will be different, and you could end up owing significantly more than you think reasonable for a negligible increase in future benefits (of course, your situation may vary).  In addition, there are currently significant delays in processing Reserve pension elections (March '07 files are now at the top of the pile).  Sometimes it's best to let sleeping dogs lie.

It was already done once.  As far as the pensionable time, I am quite happy with that.  It was the time towards promotion that they lost me on.  It changed not too long after I got back in the Reg F but it was too late for me (and not retroactive).  Oh well, it would have only made a difference by about a year, no biggie.  :)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: stefwills on January 19, 2009, 02:17:40
I am currently in the Reserve Force with no training. Recently applied for a CT to Reg F after a change of heart. I have heard that the new CT process that was put into effect on 01 Feb 08 will help speed things up and make it easier. I applied for my CT on 19 Dec 08 and since then have only received one email from the DMCA in regards to my MPRR and keeping it updated. Since I have no training, anyone know from experience how long the CT's take? Would my lack of any formal training make things easier/harder? I understand that it may be a weird circumstance, and I also understand that my local CFRC will know best, but frankly the CFRC has been no help.

Cheers,
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on January 19, 2009, 07:50:47
From the time I applied to the time I received my first offer, it was 2 months almost to the day. You applied just before the Christmas break, so its doubtful you got processed before then. I would expect an email within the next few weeks, not your offer but an acknowledgement that the process has started.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Senor Mono on January 19, 2009, 14:54:59
Does one still need the reserve unit CO to sign off on the CT/OT, even with all the processing now being external? In other words can it be nixed by one's CO?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Hatchet Man on January 19, 2009, 16:54:50
Does one still need the reserve unit CO to sign off on the CT/OT, even with all the processing now being external? In other words can it be nixed by one's CO?

No, read the first page.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: potwarka on January 19, 2009, 17:47:58
Still waiting on a CT from PRes to REG. I am currently  in Basic weekend course but applied for a CT in Oct 08. Nov 08 a SGT O? unsure of the rest of his name emailed saying to wait out still processing lots of applications. Anyone know how long this process averages?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on January 19, 2009, 17:51:15
Sgt Orcutt is who you're thinking of, and the process took approx 2 months and change for myself. Your results may vary as you do not have any courses in the CF yet, and will probably not get a recruit school bypass.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: potwarka on January 19, 2009, 17:56:45
thanks, that's the man! I'm not looking for recruit school bypass. Very willing to go through it. I think that is part of the life, bypassing just wouldn't be for me, as crazy as that sounds! Anyone else have comments? Is there still the med/Interview/Physical testing after Sgt. has the application?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on January 19, 2009, 18:05:44
The Sgt will administer everything, and task various agencies to go through your paperwork. You'll need a medical if its not current, a PT test if not current I believe, and interview would only be if you're changing trades.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Castus on January 21, 2009, 13:46:39
I heard back from NDHQ on the 11th of December, asking for my home & work phone numbers as well as acknowledging that I had started the CT. They also asked for me to verify my MPRR (which I'm going to go update today, since I just did 18 days of Class B) and asked the same of my unit's Chief Clerk. Hopefully they're back from their block leave now and I'll hear from them in the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on January 21, 2009, 14:07:58
If they are still on block leave, let me know your UIC so I can get my Career Manager to post me there.   8)

Good luck with the rest of the process!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: geo on January 21, 2009, 15:19:52
Quote
and asked the same of my unit's Chief Clerk.

Yes - they are back from their leave.
(from my kitchen window, I look down into the BOR - they looked busy last night)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NFLD Sapper on January 21, 2009, 15:21:11
Yes - they are back from their leave.
(from my kitchen window, I look down into the BOR - they looked busy last night)

..... and we got a peeper ........


 ;D
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: geo on January 21, 2009, 15:25:23

Ahem - NO.... A supervisor >:D

God sees all & knows all  - you should know that by now
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Castus on January 21, 2009, 19:04:27
Heh, thanks guys for the help and encouragement. I'm very excited to get my career moving forward, and I'll keep posting updates (if that's considered appropriate?)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Dara on January 28, 2009, 17:57:23
So the wait begins, I put in my CT application on 5 Jan 09.  Spoke to someone third week in because I had some questions, and was told they were working on Oct 08 application.  I did receive that email requesting that I make sure my MPRR is uptodate and my address for F&E.  I'm thinking maybe the 1 Apr 09 transfer date I requested will not be happening.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on January 28, 2009, 18:54:47
If you're transfering to the same trade, I think you'll be fine for your transfer date. There are hard time limits set down to get people through red tape, DMCA was very quick for me once the email got sent for MPRR confirmation.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Dara on January 28, 2009, 23:38:43
We will see, it is just a slide to the right, everything is up-to-date and equivelant, they just have to count the time in I guess.  It has only been three and a half weeks, I need to be more patient.  It's just that my Class B/A is coming up for competition, and I don't want to make them sit a board for me if they don't have to.  I'm off to Vancouver for Op Silver, so I will have some distraction soon.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Big burn on February 01, 2009, 16:39:31
Hi guys, i wanted to know your opinion about that, i am right now processing to going from sup res to first res, i have started everything 9 months ago, but i am quite sure i will asked for a transfer to the regular forces soon after i'm in.  you must now ask yourself why going in the reserve if you want to transfer when you're in, Well that's because i changed career orientation and CF is now a very good option for me as a career, plus I wanted to try to work 6 month in a row full time, like being tasked on something right after my summer at valcartier to see if i like it to wake up every morning and go work for the army not just the w-e .  I am also changing regiment from 12 RBC to 6e22r.

Now here's my question, Is my regiment going to be mad at me cause I stay only a few months at the regiment to ask my transfer?

Secondly, Are the recruiting staff building my documents gonna be real tired of me changing minds in not too long and will it be longer because of that or quicker cause I just did all the test medical,pt,interview.

Thanks for helping me out, I can't wait to work for the Canadian Forces again
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on February 01, 2009, 18:35:52
Hi guys, i wanted to know your opinion about that, i am right now processing to going from sup res to first res, i have started everything 9 months ago, but i am quite sure i will asked for a transfer to the regular forces soon after i'm in.  you must now ask yourself why going in the reserve if you want to transfer when you're in, Well that's because i changed career orientation and CF is now a very good option for me as a career, plus I wanted to try to work 6 month in a row full time, like being tasked on something right after my summer at valcartier to see if i like it to wake up every morning and go work for the army not just the w-e .  I am also changing regiment from 12 RBC to 6e22r.

Now here's my question, Is my regiment going to be mad at me cause I stay only a few months at the regiment to ask my transfer?

They may.  They may not.  Sounds like a complete waste of your time, the time of the instructors in the Reserves, and the time of your gaining unit.  Why don't you save everyone some time and effort and just join the Regular Forces as an Infanteer?

Secondly, Are the recruiting staff building my documents gonna be real tired of me changing minds in not too long and will it be longer because of that or quicker cause I just did all the test medical,pt,interview.

If you carry out your plan and join the Reserves, you will not go through the CFRC again until you go in for your final interview and enrolment.  You do a Component Transfer, through a completely different agency.  Read this topic on COMPONENT TRANSFER from the start and find out what the process is.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Big burn on February 01, 2009, 19:49:02
All right George, thanks for answering, It does sound a bit like a waste of time but the process is almost over and i'm done with the interview, i called the girl recently and she told me that it shouldn't be too long be4 i get started so i dont think i cant stop all this and ask for the regular service.

I dont know Can it be done?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: ltmaverick25 on February 01, 2009, 21:16:27
I beleive only a primary reserve unit can reactivate you off of the supplemental reserve list.  I just went through this myself.  I was on the supp list and the CT guys -DMCA in Ottawa told me that they could not touch me until I was a reservist again.  They were under the impression that if you were on the Supp list and wanted to go reg force you would have to go to CFRC for the whole process again.  I dont know if its true, thats just what they told me.  My reserve unit was able to reactivate me pretty quickly though and that included a switch from army to navy and ncm to officer.

If you are looking at an army trade, I would suggest doing the CT to the reg force asap.  The sooner you get in there the better.  Ideally you would want to do your training in the reg force, that way there is no issue with not being granted equivalency ect...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Big burn on February 01, 2009, 21:36:05
I understand, but it scares me to put away everything i've done and waited for to stop all this and just ask for regulars, I really do understand i'd propably save some of my time but, i'm so close of working again that i'll just do that work and then transfer again, since i just did all the test, shouldnt be too long i hope so
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: ltmaverick25 on February 01, 2009, 21:40:01
Im not suggesting you stop your process.  Quite the contrary.  I am suggesting that what you are doing is probably your fastest bet.  Get them to reactivate you in the reserves and then start the CT process from there asap is what I would do.

Will your army unit be mad at you?  Probably. 

If you were to stop the process and go through CFRC to go reg force it would take you forever.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Big burn on February 02, 2009, 17:41:29
Then i guess in this story i can't just make everyone happy. As soon as I know if I wanna be reg, i'll start the process and leet them know.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Castus on February 20, 2009, 13:10:51
So got my letter of offer earlier in the week and I ship out to Wainright for 01 May. I'm very excited, naturally, to start my Reg Force career. Thanks to everyone in the thread who gave me a hand!

One last question - what do you guys think I'm going to be  returning to the stores?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: geo on February 20, 2009, 14:03:34
All the kit that you signed for from the unit QM...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Dara on February 20, 2009, 14:27:13
So, maybe I am getting closer if I read into this.  You put your application in Dec 08, and I did in Jan 09.  I had an email stating they were going to the Career manager for a position, and that was two weeks ago.  I will not let myself get to excited though.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Castus on February 20, 2009, 15:47:28
Basically, once my app was handed off to a "transfer officer" working at that department in Ottawa, things were handled within a week. That's what takes long - the app going from the system itself to a person who is given the file. But they probably have hundreds of these to deal with, so it makes sense. ;)

Geo - so my ruck, tac vest, helmet, winter kit etc... all the sub-standard, ratty militia kit I was issued on my BMQ last year I'm keeping and bringing with me to Wainright?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: geo on February 21, 2009, 11:12:52
substandard ?
The kit you got is the kit everyone got & many of us still have.  Regs & reserve.
It may be "ratty" in that it is well worn - and if not torn or worn out - someone else will get it.
If it is torn or worn out or unserviceable & you are still using it... you shoulda returned it to QM for exchange... part of your job is to ensure your kit is in shape.

The new rucks are in the process of being distributed throughout... and if you read some threads around here - you will find that some people prefer the 85 pattern ruck over the new one.... and the 64 pattern over all of em.

Anything that you were issued in Longue Pointe stores are on your main clothing docs & those can and will be transfered to your new base's stores... unless you are told to return certain items before you are CTd
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Castus on February 23, 2009, 03:54:51
Whoo, alright. I probably kind of got ahead of myself in calling my kit 'substandard', but yeah, it is very used. I wasn't sure if I was going to have to return all of the kit before CTing, so I held off on replacing it. Thanks for the help!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Dano on February 24, 2009, 16:28:14
I'm currently in the process of CT from CIC to Reg F. All CFAT, Interview are done, but the med docs have yet to come in... Its been a month, even though the request has been put on high priority. CFRC said they move as fast as Ottawa. Is there a way to contact ottawa regarding my med docs?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PMedMoe on February 24, 2009, 16:43:27
I'm currently in the process of CT from CIC to Reg F. All CFAT, Interview are done, but the med docs have yet to come in... Its been a month, even though the request has been put on high priority. CFRC said they move as fast as Ottawa. Is there a way to contact ottawa regarding my med docs?

Only through the CFRC, AFAIK.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on February 26, 2009, 08:33:42
Is there a way to contact ottawa regarding my med docs?

Probably not.  If everyone who had questions about their Med Docs called Ottawa, all everyone would do up there is answer phones and run for individual files, which have likely already been send to the appropriate persons desk for review.

Chaos is the word that comes to my mind when I think of that.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Dara on March 12, 2009, 19:40:53
So, I put in my request in the first week of Jan 09, there was a dropped ball, but got my offer today.  So, not really all that bad, 2 1/2 months wait to get my offer.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: stefwills on March 12, 2009, 20:17:33
Congrats, I take it you're not at CFRC Ottawa, I call every other day, and so far it takes them about 1 1/2 weeks for return a call.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Dara on March 13, 2009, 11:34:58
CT to Reg F from Res F has nothing to do with the CFRC anymore, I dealt directly with the CT section in Ottawa.  It took having someone at my work having a contact there to see what was going on to get the ball rolling faster.  But, I have another friend with a CT in that was done after me, and I think she got her offer too.  My CT was straightforward though, all my courses were Reg F, BFT was current as was my security clearance and medical, so it was a simple slide to the right.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: stefwills on March 13, 2009, 13:52:57
I was told the same thing, but my PRes Unit took about a month to get my pers file into the internal mail. And I was told I need to schedule an interview with the CFRC because I'm changing my MOC to infantry. No one answers their phones, and returning messages so far takes almost 2 weeks, any experience with this?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Hatchet Man on March 13, 2009, 18:56:42
Yeah the CFRC only becomes involved if you are making an OT (on top of the CT) or your CFAT is expired.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: stefwills on March 13, 2009, 19:45:00
Thanks for the clarification Hatchet Man!

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: bananaman on March 20, 2009, 00:02:51
So I was really impressed with how fast the initial phase of this new CT process works. I had submitted the email and had heard back within 12 hours and was told to get my MPRR in order. Right now everything is done and CFRC Calgary is my slow point in the chain. Apparently I need to work out a time for an interview and possibly a medical. I'm going from res arty to reg med tech. Anyone know the timeline for this stage of the process? I would like to do anything I can to make this go as fast and smooth as possible.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: stefwills on March 29, 2009, 14:24:46
It's hard to say. I submitted my CT application 19 Dec 09, due to my PRes unit "misplacing" my MPRR, I it's taken 3 months just to get to my interview, which is this coming Tuesday(31 Mar 09). I was told that because I was going from Res Cmbt Eng to Reg Inf that I would be slotted onto a BMQ in early March. It really depends on your CFRC returning your calls and trade I guess.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NFLD Sapper on March 29, 2009, 19:09:27
It's hard to say. I submitted my CT application 19 Dec 09, due to my PRes unit "misplacing" my MPRR, I it's taken 3 months just to get to my interview, which is this coming Tuesday(31 Mar 09). I was told that because I was going from Res Cmbt Eng to Reg Inf that I would be slotted onto a BMQ in early March. It really depends on your CFRC returning your calls and trade I guess.

You can go online and print it out yourself from the DIN as long as you have a DND Email address.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: geo on March 29, 2009, 22:46:28
You can go into the Orderly room and have the clerk print out one for you...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: stefwills on March 30, 2009, 13:51:07
If you are referring to my MPRR, I asked numerous times to take it directly to the CFRC myself, so save time, and I was told each time that it was not possible. My father is a retired Lt. Col and said unless policy has changed, that's a lie. I don't have DND Address, so I have to call and make frequent visits to make sure progress is being made.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: stefwills on April 04, 2009, 21:59:58
Got the offer. BMQ in St-Jean on 27 Apr 09. About time.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on April 04, 2009, 23:57:02
Got the offer. BMQ in St-Jean on 27 Apr 09. About time.

4 months is damn good time, if you're getting into knots about this waiting, the Reg Force will be fun for you. This system is far better than the old system, I remember a good friend of mine waiting nearly 2 years for his CT (into the same trade) to be finalized. 4 months from start to finish is excellent.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: stefwills on April 05, 2009, 00:09:38
I know the Regs is full of "Hurry up and Wait" but this time it was more-so my reserve unit taking 3 weeks to get my MPRR in the mail to the DMCA, and recruiters not returning calls. Oh well, it's done now. And from what I've heard, the wait times for reg force infantry are not as bad now. I was told my course loading should be pretty quick, so I get trained fast and get overseas. Not taking it as gospel, but I've heard it from a few CF personnel.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Nivek759 on April 24, 2009, 18:42:10
I am a reserve cpl infanteer that has been accepted into (Reg) Military Police trade. I have been informed that i have been found suitable for the transfer, but i am yet to receive an offer of employment. I was told that i was suitable in the first week of march and would hopefully be loaded into PRETC for early June (so waiting approx 2mths). I understand that the MP's are a stressed trade (in need of people) so I'm hoping that this will encourage a faster completion of my employment offer.

I was wondering if anyone here has been through a similar situation and could help me in predicting when a offer may be given. (although i am aware that every situation is different). previous posts didn't give too much info.

I was also wondering what is considered when they are producing a candidates offer. I was thinking this may help me understand why it takes so long.


Thanks to all

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: ltmaverick25 on April 24, 2009, 18:56:23
You should have a file manager in Ottawa at this point.  If so, contact him or her directly and ask them when you should be loaded.  Dont be afraid to keep contacting them every few weeks either until something happens. 

If the courses are backlogged, you can always ask them to start you up on OJT somewhere in the meantime so that you are employed.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Nivek759 on April 24, 2009, 20:53:36
I have been doing my best to stay on top of my file manager without becoming too overbearing. I was told by a recruiter that if i were to be placed on PRETC for longer then 3mths they usually place you on OJT. I'm just concerned as to when I am expected to be employed due to the fact that my civilian employment is coming to an end, and i do not wish to obtain another job only to leave them a few weeks later.
If only bills would pay themselves. ;)

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Big burn on April 29, 2009, 20:23:44
Is it the same procedures if you do the transfer when going in afghanistan, i think that you keep your rank and all that.  What I mean is do you have to wait to be transfered before getting in pre deployment or you first go on pre deployment and your transfer goes on as you are training. 


Thanks for answering
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Hatchet Man on May 03, 2009, 19:24:01
Is it the same procedures if you do the transfer when going in afghanistan, i think that you keep your rank and all that.  What I mean is do you have to wait to be transfered before getting in pre deployment or you first go on pre deployment and your transfer goes on as you are training. 


Thanks for answering

There was a link, to a document, that outlines the process.  chances are, it is already in this tread.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: bran on May 04, 2009, 13:24:35
Hey all, I had a quick question regarding the CT form that you fill out and email to Ottawa. Under the army subtitle there is two different selections for infantry one code is 00180 INF_INF and the other is 00010 INFMN_FANT just wondering what the difference is between these? I don't know which one to pick.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: dapaterson on May 04, 2009, 14:04:10
INF = Infantry Officer
INFMN = Infantry NCM

Look at your current MOSID - it should remain the same.  Unless you're doing a combined CT/OT.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: bran on May 04, 2009, 15:27:51
Cheers
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: potwarka on May 14, 2009, 11:15:12
Recd. My CT Offer letter today. All seems okay. Line Tech. Kingston. I have a question for anyone out there:

TOS is my term of service starting in July.

What is COS?

My next course is only scheduled for Mar 2010, What will I be doing from July 2009 until Mar 2010 in Kingston? Any type of training?? Duties?? Any idea's from those who might have experienced this.

Feel free to anyone who can inform me.

Also I have a few questions and if you are able to help in any way I need a contact to answer some questions that might come up to make this process easier.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: aesop081 on May 14, 2009, 11:44:30


What is COS?


Change Of Strenght.

That is the day you effectively belong to the gaining unit.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: skyd1vr on May 14, 2009, 12:44:01
should say on your offer who you belong to, ie gaining unit. You may be post to BTL AWTR which means base training list, awaiting training. That means you belong to the base chief and hopefully they'll find you meaningful employment until your course starts.

I'm in the same position, posted to BTL, and I'm trying to find myself meaningful employment before the chief has to do it for me.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: potwarka on May 14, 2009, 12:48:36
Right on its BTL AWTR. So yeah awaiting training. How are you currently going about finding meaningful employment?
Where are you living?
I would be bringing a vehicle is there a car park or lot or something?
I guess I should be asking if you are currently in Kingston!?

What to bring is another thing! Any tips on that?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: skyd1vr on May 14, 2009, 15:20:03
nah, i'm currently in the 'peg. My reserve unit is here.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: potwarka on May 14, 2009, 15:22:38
ahhh, i see! Well thanks for the help anyhow.

Anyone else there with some information??
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: bran on May 16, 2009, 18:27:12
When you do a CT and request your regiment and location (battalion) when will you find out which regiment/battalion you are actually going to? Will you find out before you accept the contract? My situation may be different as I have to start off at BMQ.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on May 16, 2009, 19:04:57
Your CT offer will give you the UIC and information of the first unit you are posted too. This should be the BTL for you. Your offer should state that you have been offered xxxx Regiment. If it doesn't, contact your file manager (the person that emailed you the offer) and find out what Regiment you were accepted to. You'll get your Battalion when you finish your DP1.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: zzyzx723 on June 04, 2009, 00:42:08
I put in my application in early September 2008 and only just got my offer letter three weeks ago (May 13), so it seems like there was someone dragging on my file maybe. Oh well, I got in that's all that matters :D

Transfer date is 29 June, but my QL3 course doesn't start until October 16th - PAT here I come :blotto:
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Lima5 on June 12, 2009, 14:28:39
I'm in the QoR Jump coy, and I wanted to switch to Reg Force MP. I have 1 year of University, so Im not sure if they will even accept that. I have just over 2 years in the QoR, does anyone know if the MP's will even accept my application?

Thanks guys
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Hatchet Man on June 12, 2009, 22:07:38
Search MP requirements are fairly straight forward
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Wynne on July 22, 2009, 22:05:09
I submitted my CT in March of this year and since then I've had them ask me to verify everything.  Since doing so, I've received no contact from anyone regarding my transfer.  Is that normal?  I spoke to someone in CFRC who said they would try to track down my CT, but every time I call and leave a message, they never call me back.  What can I do?  Call Ottawa and ask them what's going on?  Or should I resubmit all the paperwork?  Yes, I guess I'm kind of impatient, but 4 months and no one able to answer any questions is slightly unreasonable.  Any ideas on what I should do?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: MikeL on July 22, 2009, 22:19:19
I'd go to the CFRC an talk to them in person.


An welcome back to the forums
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on July 23, 2009, 09:06:11
I submitted my CT in March of this year and since then I've had them ask me to verify everything.  Since doing so, I've received no contact from anyone regarding my transfer.  Is that normal?  I spoke to someone in CFRC who said they would try to track down my CT, but every time I call and leave a message, they never call me back.  What can I do?  Call Ottawa and ask them what's going on?  Or should I resubmit all the paperwork?  Yes, I guess I'm kind of impatient, but 4 months and no one able to answer any questions is slightly unreasonable.  Any ideas on what I should do?
I'd go to the CFRC an talk to them in person.


An welcome back to the forums

First off guys........The CFRC has absolutely nothing to do with Component Transfers.

That is probably why you are getting no joy when you call them.

When you submitted your CT, you sent it into the people who do CTs.  They are the ones you have to talk to.  Go back to your Unit OR and find out who to talk to.  It is all laid out in a CANFORGEN (which is already mentioned previously in this topic).
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on July 23, 2009, 09:41:35
I submitted my CT in March of this year and since then I've had them ask me to verify everything.  Since doing so, I've received no contact from anyone regarding my transfer.  Is that normal?  I spoke to someone in CFRC who said they would try to track down my CT, but every time I call and leave a message, they never call me back.  What can I do?  Call Ottawa and ask them what's going on?  Or should I resubmit all the paperwork?  Yes, I guess I'm kind of impatient, but 4 months and no one able to answer any questions is slightly unreasonable.  Any ideas on what I should do?

Did you leave an accurate email address in your CT form? WO XXXXX is normally fairly quick asking to double check the MPRR, etc etc roughly 2 weeks after a CT is sent in. If you're going to ask anyone the status of your CT, contact him on the DWAN. He works at DMCA 5-5 which is the one stop shop for CT's in the CF.


Edited by Roy Harding for PERSEC.  If the WO in question wants his name out in public - he can tell us.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on July 23, 2009, 10:57:06
Hmmm, you might consider sending someone's rank/name and position via PM...unless he/she doesn't mind their info being posted on here, of course.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Wynne on July 23, 2009, 11:55:38
I received one email from someone requesting me to verify my MPRR and fix my med records because they weren't up to date which was a tiny error made by the medical people.  I emailed back to DMCACT like I was told and nothing further.  The person I spoke to at CFRC told me he'd look into finding where everything has gone..and nothing.  My unit is of no help, they can't answer anything for me, or give me anything that I need so I'm pretty much at a loss for what to do.

~Skeletor~, thanks!  I've been around, just not posting much LOL.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Iron Fist on July 28, 2009, 13:24:10
Wynne,

Essentially in the same sort of situation right now. Got the DMCA email to check my MPRR, make sure it was all peachy. It wasn't, and this was sent to battalion HQ to be looked over. That was a month ago... Ah the waiting game.

Half of me wants to think that it's gone on to Ottawa, but someone would have told me by now.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: the_girlfriend on July 28, 2009, 16:26:24

I have been waiting for some kind of feedback from Ottawa as well, but I found out that the person responsible for CT is on vacation and will only be back at the begining of August...  :nod:
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on July 28, 2009, 16:33:45
Its block leave for most of the CF.... expect things back to the normal speed mid-end August.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Wynne on July 28, 2009, 17:11:04
Yeah, block leave could explain a LOT.  Didn't even realize that.  Thanks.  Being unemployed sucks though LOL so I hope they find my CT soon lol.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on July 28, 2009, 17:37:30
Its block leave for most of the CF.... expect things back to the normal speed mid-end August.

Huh?  Block leave for "most of the CF"?

Ok.  Mind listing the units that are all on block leave from mid July to mid-end Aug?? 
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Otis on July 28, 2009, 18:15:09
Methinks they don't understand the difference between "block leave" and "summer leave period" ... easy to mistake for someone who doesn't know the difference.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: 21trucker on August 06, 2009, 22:49:44
Just a quick one. Couldn't find anything relevant to my position on search.
Injured my back earlier this summer on course(Cl B).  Med RTU. Paid to end of contract.  Doing physio compliments of the CF to heal injury. CTing to Reg force, decision was made before i went on course.  Just haven't done the paper work yet as i'm sorting out my MPRR.
Will i still be accepted ,having injured it while being employed by the CF?  I don't want anyone to think that i'm going Reg force to "milk" the system because of the injury.
Not sure, but i don't imagine you could walk off the street with a back injury and be accepted. Then again, final decision would rest with the MO. 

Thanks

 :yellow:

Looking at Air Force (Tfc Tech or MSE Op).  Not sure if that helps or not.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: SGT-RMSCLK on August 06, 2009, 23:06:08
I'm not a doctor nor do I play one on TV.  But it will depend totally on the severity of the injury and what trade you are applying for when you CT.  Your med docs will be reviewed during the CT process.  So the decision will be made by the MO as to your medial suitability for the trade you want.  Hope that answers you question and good luck. 
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: the 48th regulator on August 06, 2009, 23:27:40
Just a quick one. Couldn't find anything relevant to my position on search.
Injured my back earlier this summer on course(Cl B).  Med RTU. Paid to end of contract.  Doing physio compliments of the CF to heal injury. CTing to Reg force, decision was made before i went on course.  Just haven't done the paper work yet as i'm sorting out my MPRR.
Will i still be accepted ,having injured it while being employed by the CF?  I don't want anyone to think that i'm going Reg force to "milk" the system because of the injury.
Not sure, but i don't imagine you could walk off the street with a back injury and be accepted. Then again, final decision would rest with the MO. 

Thanks

 :yellow:

Looking at Air Force (Tfc Tech or MSE Op).  Not sure if that helps or not.


You must go to your local IPSC.

Contact the Centre (http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/cen/atc-slc/dcsmd-ddgsb-eng.asp) and they will refer you to the locale IPSC, and they will help you out.


dileas

tess
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: 21trucker on August 07, 2009, 10:43:49
"You must go to your local IPSC.

Contact the Centre and they will refer you to the locale IPSC, and they will help you out.


dileas

tess"


Not sure what kind of service that they would be able to provide me?  I haven't released.  Do i see them after i'm  denied CT to Reg force?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on August 08, 2009, 11:02:44
To CT you need to be medically fit for the trade you're applying to. If you're on a TCat, you can't transfer. If you're just doing physio and are on a "PT at own pace" chit, you should be fine. No one should ever accuse you of milking the system, you were injured on Cl B, therefore the CF is responsible for your medical care even when you're back to Cl A, until the injury is healed.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on August 08, 2009, 11:15:05
I was thinking something along the same line, did you injury result in any MELs or change of Med Cat?  I have a lower back injury, which I am receiving a disability pension for (happened in 1992, during military service), I had no isssues CTIng a few years ago, remustering to a new MOC (although they did take a closer look at me, and that injury specifically), and my Med Cat is currently 111225.  I have no MELs and have never been on T-CAT or P-CAT because of my injury, although I did have to go to the chyropractor and had a few weeks medical leave in '03 following Op Splinter.

IMO, it all about MELs and your Med Cat.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: 21trucker on August 08, 2009, 20:39:41
To CT you need to be medically fit for the trade you're applying to. If you're on a TCat, you can't transfer. If you're just doing physio and are on a "PT at own pace" chit, you should be fine. No one should ever accuse you of milking the system, you were injured on Cl B, therefore the CF is responsible for your medical care even when you're back to Cl A, until the injury is healed.

Thats what the chit has. No heavy lifting, no drill, PT at own pace.  I don't think it's too serious.  Feels more like a muscle strain than anything else(although i'm no MO).  I can walk no problem, just not for extended time(2+ hours). Same as sitiing for extended periods, need to be aware of my posture.  Hopefully doesn't cause any issues.


I was thinking something along the same line, did you injury result in any MELs or change of Med Cat?  I have a lower back injury, which I am receiving a disability pension for (happened in 1992, during military service), I had no isssues CTIng a few years ago, remustering to a new MOC (although they did take a closer look at me, and that injury specifically), and my Med Cat is currently 111225.  I have no MELs and have never been on T-CAT or P-CAT because of my injury, although I did have to go to the chyropractor and had a few weeks medical leave in '03 following Op Splinter.

IMO, it all about MELs and your Med Cat.

Whats a MEL?  Not on  a T-Cat. Problem is, my med cat is out of date, and i will need to do a new med before the CT occurs.  Waiting till i'm told to go for med, to ensure back is healed.  Physio has been ordered.  Just being careful what i do all the time to make sure it recovers well enough.  As well as doing light back exercises for the lower back.

 :cdn: :yellow:
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on August 09, 2009, 16:48:59
MEL = Medical Employment Limitations.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: 123a on September 21, 2009, 23:39:00
I just put a CT in to transfer from an infantry unit to reg sig ops...how long does it generally take...iwas reading sum older posts and it said that it took guys like years and all is it still the same....should i get out of the reserves and apply for reg again?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: ajp on September 22, 2009, 09:16:44
I wouldn't say getting out to rejoin the regs is ever good advice.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: affinity on September 26, 2009, 23:02:26
I submitted my CT/OT application online mid August of 09 and haven't received a response to confirm receipt. I am sure an email will appear one of these days, but I just wanted to give other prospective applicants the heads-up that things appear to be quite busy at the DMCA currently. 
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: 123a on September 28, 2009, 03:06:06
Cool, I'm just going to stick with it and wait
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: bucks on September 28, 2009, 15:41:22
If you haven't heard anything and you applied between the 7th and 19th of August you need to resubmit your application because they were having technical difficulties.  You should get the email from them pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: affinity on September 28, 2009, 18:42:09
If you haven't heard anything and you applied between the 7th and 19th of August you need to resubmit your application because they were having technical difficulties.  You should get the email from them pretty quickly.

Oh dear, I did apply during that time. In any event, I acquired the application form from one of the threads on this forum and sent the form to DMCACT@forces.gc.ca.

Thank you for your help bucks
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: GDawg on October 18, 2009, 15:45:12
For clarification, who is the authority for administering a CT from Res to Reg?
I am still fighting to get a few things sorted out, and I keep getting told to "take it up with the CFRC" which makes little or no sense...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on October 18, 2009, 20:04:17
For clarification, who is the authority for administering a CT from Res to Reg?
I am still fighting to get a few things sorted out, and I keep getting told to "take it up with the CFRC" which makes little or no sense...


STOP !

Go back and read the CANFORGEN.

It has all the info.

The CFRC has nothing to do with CTs other than swearing you in after the whole business is completed.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: chaos89 on October 22, 2009, 23:47:54
Hello there
really need some help finding out how long it takes for a current reservist to transfer over to reg force???
i heard it takes a long time hopefully not the case?
thanks
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Retired FDO on October 22, 2009, 23:57:35
In some cases it's taking a very long time. I've seen upwards of 8-12 months. There is only one person in Ottawa doing CTs right now and he's a tad behind.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Michael O'Leary on October 22, 2009, 23:59:30
There are too many factors to simply offer a timeline.  Try searching on "Component Transfer", use the main search page and you can limit the responses to the last six months or a year to have current posts on the subject.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: chaos89 on October 23, 2009, 00:02:08
alrighty thanks guys
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on October 23, 2009, 09:34:54
This is not a "Recruiting" Question, so search in the appropriate forum for the answers.  As a member is already a member of the CF, and not trying to join the CF, the answers will be found in a more appropriate forum such as:  Occupational and Component Transfers (http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/board,44.0.html).


LOCKED
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: brendanthompson on October 25, 2009, 00:04:31
Does anyone know how this works?  Transferring from the Reserve Force to the Regular Force?  Also, how early can you transfer?  All help is appreciated.  Thanks:)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Michael O'Leary on October 25, 2009, 00:07:16
Nope, no one knows how that works, it's never been done before.    ::)

Search the forums for "Component Transfer"
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: infamous_p on October 25, 2009, 00:39:57
Does anyone know how this works?  Transferring from the Reserve Force to the Regular Force?  Also, how early can you transfer?  All help is appreciated.  Thanks:)

You must be more specific than that. Transferring from the PRes to the Reg Force is a very multifaceted process that involves many things. Try narrowing your question down much more and you will be more likely to get helpful responses.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: brendanthompson on October 25, 2009, 01:11:20
Umm transferring from an infantry reserve unit as a Combat Engineer to the regular force as a Combat Engineer.  Do you have to wait for a spot to be open?  I dunno what else I can say to help.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: MikeL on October 25, 2009, 01:18:18
Wait what? You are a Reserve Combat Engineer in a Reserve Infantry unit?

An I would assume that if the trade is closed than you would have to wait till next FY for a spot to open up. If you are already QL3 qual that may change things, but I don't know. I believe the CT process starts at your OR so ask them.

*correction

I just read some of your other posts an you aren't even in yet.. if your goal is Reg Force just wait for a spot to open up in the Reg Force unless you plan on spending some time in the Reserves an not just waiting for a spot to open up in the Regs than going.  Also search I think there is an entire forum dedicated to CTs an other administrative processes, etc
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: brendanthompson on October 25, 2009, 06:40:27
Alright thanks alot for the info.:)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: the_girlfriend on October 25, 2009, 09:27:37

I can tell you from personal experience...

My trade was closed, and they opened a spot.
The person in charge of your transfer in Ottawa will put a request in and they might open a spot before the new FY.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: ZipperZ on November 02, 2009, 17:28:28
I phoned CFRC and they told me CTing must be done through the unit OR. He said you must fill out a application online at your unit. So should I write a memo or just go talk to the OR clerk?

Always wanted to be a Reg and now with little class A and B work it is the perfect time! ;) I hope I bypass recruit school, I wouldn't want to waste the taxpayers money.  ::)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on November 02, 2009, 18:59:38
There's a whole other topic dedicated to the new CT process. Do a search on the site, and you'll find all sorts of information and personal stories. To get you started, here's a link to CMP's Mil Pers instruction: http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/pd/pi-ip/03-08-eng.asp (http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/pd/pi-ip/03-08-eng.asp)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Bustillo on November 24, 2009, 00:06:38
I put a CT 5 weeks ago and I havent heard anything from them, not an email telling me that they have receive it (wich would be nice) or a letter. is this normal or should I get a hold of somebody to ask them whats going on.  I went in to the CF website to talk with one of the recruters there buy they told me they have no conection to CT only the forms and where they have to be sent.
I am going from res. combat engineer to reg. f MSEop, I just finish my BMQ and BMQ(L).  any thought on this?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: CountDC on November 24, 2009, 11:29:54
yeah - read the post above yours by George.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: kimchiwarrior on December 10, 2009, 23:17:28
Hello, I'm a brand-new minted 2Lt in PRes Arty initiating CT to RegF Arty.
Currently I'm CAP qualified and current with medical and PT, having finished from BOTP 1&2 and CAP this summer and awaiting loading onto DP1.1 in summer of 2010. I'd like to get loaded to DP1.1 and 1.2 as RegF and get posted to Regt like someone doing ROTP and graduating this summer would. I'm currently exchanged to the UK for my 4th year and will finish in late May/early June.

After having searched the topic, I couldn't find someone (PRes Offr to RegF Arty Offr) in my situation in the last few years to gauge what sort of timeframe I should be looking at from now (having put in the CT app on the snazzy website today!) to CT completion. The last person who is close to my situation posted messages on this forum in 2003, so having read the CF MIL PERS INSTR 03/08, a lot has changed in the CT process.

Would someone aware of the issues be kind enough to advise a young officer? I'm told that 1 and 2 RCHA are short of Lts and Capt. positions so the jobs are there for people in my situation, but I understand that the people processing these are under heavy workloads and the process may be delayed.

Secondly is a PSO interview and additional med test etc. necessary if one is going to same MOC? I ask this because I really don't want to pay for a 15 min PSO interview from London to Toronto in middle of the Univ. year.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: ZipperZ on December 20, 2009, 03:24:01
Alright. So I am currently a 19 year old Mobum combat engineer living with his parents working 20-25 days a month at my unit. I have been in for about 1 yr and half. Have QL3 and am a spr qualified CPL. About 2 months ago I put in a memo to CT to reg force engineer; specifically 1 CER (hopefully 11 Fd Sqn ;)). My sct cmdr and another sgt convinced me not to do the CT just yet. They recommended I get some more time in and some more courses. I am currently being loaded for my 5's, water purification and my mod 6 (yes I have completed most of the other PLQ mods, the reserves are desperate for leadership as you can see) this summer.

Honestly all I want is to get a tour to Afghanistan and then after that see what I want to do with my life however getting a tour is harder then I expected. I'm told to get a tour then switch but that is easier said then done, I first have to get a tour and I have limited chances left. I have no civilian job as I want to keep working at the unit and keeping them happy so if a tour position comes up they will offer it to me first.

I'm debating just CTing now and if I have to redo recruit school, my 3's big deal. I know I am getting paid and it's just more guaranteed opportunities to blow stuff up. However at the same time I think if I get a tour position on 1/11 I can keep my courses and my rank which would be Cpl.

I'm sorry for the rant but I want some people to chime in on what they would do. I really would like to stop wasting my life.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Jammer on December 20, 2009, 07:49:08
...my 2 cents.
hang in there apply for a CT after your get your 5s. It should give you a recruit school bypass, but only a MCC can give you the right info.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: CountDC on December 22, 2009, 15:35:38
With the number of CT's in the system (approx 1700+) if you put it in now you might be done your 5's by the time you get an offer.  My advise stays the same - you have no garuntee of getting a tour with the reserves so why delay your career on a wish.  If your 5's will not carry over to the regs then no reason to wait on it either.  If you really want to be Reg F then put in your CT. Maybe you will get in and sent to Afghan.

Just to make everyone that is waiting happy - they have now put together a Tiger Team to work on CT's backlog for approx 6 months.  Hopefully this will mean all you that are waiting will be over to the dark side by summer.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Hull.Down on January 19, 2010, 16:36:58
How many/much Reserve qualifications/experience do you need to skip Regular BMQ if you are CTing and changing occupations?

I have heard stories of Reservists having to do Reserve BMQ and Regular BMQ when they CTed.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: CountDC on January 20, 2010, 09:05:19
changing occupation shouldn't have any bearing - it would only affect your trade qualifications. 

Last I heard it was time in that made a difference.

Lot better than the 80's - buddy of mine had an ex reserve MWO and Capt on his basic at Cornwallis in 85.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Grunt_031 on January 20, 2010, 09:35:51
With the current freeze with recruiting/downsizing does anybody know how this is affecting the CT for Res to Reg.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: ajp on January 20, 2010, 10:34:46
I have seen a few CT's recently, even after the Reallocation of funds began.  It depends on the need in the trade you are trying to join.  As always, a Trained Soldier is of more value than a recruit.  I know one School has a backlog of recruits waiting their Trades training, and I suspect it is not just a singular case.  St Jean is still pumping through the pers.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: CountDC on January 20, 2010, 13:30:46
as they just put together a tiger team of 10 to help process the CT's that have built up I am sure that they will continue as needed.  The cuts have been to the reserve class b posns, the reg f strength has not been cut so the positions still need to be filled.  If anything I would think the budget situation would help the CT's as it is cheaper to take in someone already trained and able to go to work than to take a recruit off that street and train them. RMS Cpl releases, bring in a CT, no extra cost on the budget other than a possible move.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: ltmaverick25 on January 20, 2010, 16:17:47
As I understand it, very few trades are actually full to the point where they dont want anymore pers.  Rather it is the training system that is full.  Case in point.  I am a reg force Int O.  However, I am on OJT, hence ineffective for at least 2 years while I wait for my trade course.  The reason I am waiting this long is because the training system cannot accomodate too many candidates at once.  Therefore Int O is closed and you cannot join it.  But, at the same time Int O is a seriously undermaned trade.  They have closed my trade temporarily as they get through the backlog of trainees like myself.  Once that happens, the trade will re-open.

That said, if your trade is currently open, and you want to CT reg force then the time to do it is NOW.  If your personal situation permits, DO NOT delay your CT.  There is no good reason for it and you run the risk of having your trade closed in the future.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: MrBlue on January 26, 2010, 15:02:10
Just wondering how the whole system works, I mean is there a point system or something like if member A) is ql3 qualified (reg F standard) and has 5years in, through the reserves, vs member b) who is only BMQ qualified and has 2 years in the reserves...

I'm guessing there is some kind of framework for evaluating who they want, and who to give offers to.  Just curious what an avg timeline for a ql3 qualified LS (NavRes) would be to transfer over to the dark side, same trade, for arguments sake lets say Log trade/purple trade.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: ltmaverick25 on February 02, 2010, 08:37:45
I know alot of guys who CT'd to the reg force and stayed in the same trade they were in on the reserve side.  Most of them went through pretty quick.  In fact, one of them only had to wait two weeks.  However, now that CTs have skyrocketed, everything has changed.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: unmannedspaceship on February 04, 2010, 21:46:02
Hello all,

I put in my application for component transfer (to Reg Force) in Sept, 2009. I got the confirmation email regarding my application 2 wks later. Since then, I haven't heard a thing from my unit or any emails from Ottawa.  Does anyone have any idea on how long  does the whole process take ??

 :cdn:
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: GreenPajamas on February 06, 2010, 11:54:42
I put in my application Mar 09, completed with interview in Aug 09. Patience is all I suggest. It can take a year, as you see (and my file is not complicated: junior officer, less than 3 years in). Expect significant delays on the part of DMCA. Expect them to take 6 weeks to call you back. Expect DMCA and CFRG to be the right and left hand who don't communicate very well. My advice to you is this: don't put the rest of your life on hold in anticipation, don't make plans in anticipation, and hound DMCA every step of the way. This process can take as long as, or longer than, recruiting off the street. My advice to anyone reading this who is considering a CT: don't wait! If you change your mind about it later, that's fine, but do not put off the application because it's a long, long time between application and offer. Feel free to send me a private message if you need info about the process and my experience.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: 21trucker on February 16, 2010, 14:26:53
Here is an email i received from DMCA 2 weeks ago. My application has been in since Sept '09.

"All occupations are closed until the new fiscal year.  We have been directed to stop processing files until we are presented with new intake numbers for next year starting in Apr 10.  In the mean time be sure your fitness test and medical do not expire and that all information is correct on your MPRR.  We don't want any stumbling blocks when the time comes for you to transfer."

Average time i'm told is 3-4 months.  A friend applied same time as myself, he was v-tech res going v-tech reg, and was gone in 5 weeks. 

Every situation is different.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: CorporalMajor on February 16, 2010, 19:11:14
Here is an email i received from DMCA 2 weeks ago. My application has been in since Sept '09.

"All occupations are closed until the new fiscal year.  We have been directed to stop processing files until we are presented with new intake numbers for next year starting in Apr 10.  In the mean time be sure your fitness test and medical do not expire and that all information is correct on your MPRR.  We don't want any stumbling blocks when the time comes for you to transfer."

Average time i'm told is 3-4 months.  A friend applied same time as myself, he was v-tech res going v-tech reg, and was gone in 5 weeks. 

Every situation is different.
ALL occupations?  That's odd, I applied around the same time as you, and just got the green light. 

Then again, I'm RMS and I'm pretty sure that's a red trade in the Regs.

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Just curious what an avg timeline for a ql3 qualified LS (NavRes) would be to transfer over to the dark side, same trade, for arguments sake lets say Log trade/purple trade.
Depends.  From what I've seen, perhaps a few months, perhaps a year.   I applied in Sep for the same trade,  got my acceptance two weeks ago, and ship to the west in May.  I have 5s behind me and I keep pretty much everything; I only have to learn Reg F pay from the Reg F's 3s/5s and voila.......

All sorts of factors come into play....
- How much demand is there for qualified ___s?
- Are the QL3s for both Reg and Res ___s very similar, or completely different? (I believe most LOG trades are pretty good for that, such as mine).
- If you have to do a course: Is that trade's training pipeline overburdened?   If  yes, you may have to wait.
- Are there any admin issues holding you back? (Outdated fitness or medical)
- Suddenly, a whole boatload of people want in the regs.   Therefore putting more burden on D MIL C's  CT section, meaning you may have to wait a bit longer.
etc

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Mr. Bumpy on February 16, 2010, 19:13:50
Here is an email i received from DMCA 2 weeks ago. My application has been in since Sept '09.

"All occupations are closed until the new fiscal year.  We have been directed to stop processing files until we are presented with new intake numbers for next year starting in Apr 10.  In the mean time be sure your fitness test and medical do not expire and that all information is correct on your MPRR.  We don't want any stumbling blocks when the time comes for you to transfer."

Average time i'm told is 3-4 months.  A friend applied same time as myself, he was v-tech res going v-tech reg, and was gone in 5 weeks. 

Every situation is different.

Surprizing we are full in the MSE Trade until April time frame. I was just talking to the CM yesterday, unless some how the information magically changed.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: MrBlue on February 18, 2010, 13:12:20
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- Are the QL3s for both Reg and Res ___s very similar, or completely different? (I believe most LOG trades are pretty good for that, such as mine).

I know for supply techs res or reg its the same course.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: 21trucker on February 18, 2010, 21:01:33
ALL occupations?  That's odd, I applied around the same time as you, and just got the green light. 

Then again, I'm RMS and I'm pretty sure that's a red trade in the Regs.

I'm taking it with a grain of salt.  Not sure if i believe that 100%, because i know there are guys that are getting offers on this forum.  So it comes down to what trade, and whether your doing an OT as well (such as myself).  I think it sent to stop me from sending an email every 2 weeks asking whats going on, and what else i need.  Everything is up to date, not sure if i need an interview, but they will not say one way or another (was hoping to get one done to speed things up).  So now i'll sit and wait till mid-April and send another email  ;D.



Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: MrBlue on February 23, 2010, 11:37:59
Who exactly are you emailing?  Hearing conflicting views on this.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: 21trucker on March 03, 2010, 14:36:39
Same people that send you a confirmation.  I know DMCA has been thrown around alot, but it's actually D MIL C in Ottawa. And that e-mail i received was from a snr nco.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: ZipperZ on March 04, 2010, 01:09:01
I put in my CT, finally.

Hopefully since I'm going from trained pres engineer to reg engineer I go through the system somewhat fast...

I did it the old fashion way with a memo. Will my CoC make me fill the the online application out still or is that not needed with a memo?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on March 04, 2010, 07:17:24
I put in my CT, finally.

Hopefully since I'm going from trained pres engineer to reg engineer I go through the system somewhat fast...

I did it the old fashion way with a memo. Will my CoC make me fill the the online application out still or is that not needed with a memo?

No.  You will be good to go.    ::)

Just kidding.  You started off on the right foot, however, all you have done is inform your C of C of your intentions.  You will have to go through the same process as the rest of the posters in this thread. 
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: TimBit on March 09, 2010, 21:12:58
Re-activating an old thread...well not so old.

So many people seem to know what they are talking about (!) when it comes to CT here and I happen to have a question.

So my situation is this, applied for CT last year, my MOS will remain closed (saw the SIP and talked to the CM) so picked a new one at the beginning of the month, but I need to do the testing AND I require basic aircrew. Funny thing is, my CT manager doesn't think I do... so obviously, at the last moment someone will wake up and for sure my file won't be complete before april 1st.

So do they fill their positions very quickly comes April or does it last over a few months? Because I'm starting to think that if they just fill all of their spots within a few weeks well that's it I'm toast for this year. Any insights?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: davidsonr_91 on March 21, 2010, 23:38:22
Timbit, you can always ask your CT manager those questions, i have had lots of success with asking questions of my guy in Ottawa.  He will tell you straight up and if he says it and he holds your file then he must be right.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: SevenSixTwo on March 29, 2010, 21:31:33
Does anyone think I should go *** backwards through the system? Drop out of the reserves and then re-enroll in the regulars due to the length of a CT/OT? Everyone keeps saying that since a CT/OT im told will take 1 year+. (ResF to RegF for 00005)

P.S. On a funny note I got the "resume" recently and noticed the gigantic amount of misinformation on the resume. One, it says I only did one year of high school in education when I finished high school and did some uny. Two, it says I am married when I am not nor have I ever been. Three, it says I had no unit prefference when I heavily stressed that I did. Four, 95% of the information was left blank. Go CFRC! :P
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: dapaterson on March 29, 2010, 21:42:25
Does anyone think I should go *** backwards through the system? Drop out of the reserves and then re-enroll in the regulars due to the length of a CT/OT? Everyone keeps saying that since a CT/OT im told will take 1 year+. (ResF to RegF for 00005)

P.S. On a funny note I got the "resume" recently and noticed the gigantic amount of misinformation on the resume. One, it says I only did one year of high school in education when I finished high school and did some uny. Two, it says I am married when I am not nor have I ever been. Three, it says I had no unit prefference when I heavily stressed that I did. Four, 95% of the information was left blank. Go CFRC! :P

Have you ever reviewed and corrected your MPRR?  The one your unit gives you every year?  That's where the information came from - so if you've never had your unit correct the mistakes, they'll still be there.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: SevenSixTwo on March 29, 2010, 21:47:07
Have you ever reviewed and corrected your MPRR?  The one your unit gives you every year?  That's where the information came from - so if you've never had your unit correct the mistakes, they'll still be there.

I saw my units information 4 days ago so most likely someone had a good laugh changing stuff at CFRC or the magic internet fairy came and changed all the info. Which, is more likely? I mean cmon; "Married but unknwn spouse" as well as "1 year high school". Someone is clearly pulling a prank I feel.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PMedMoe on March 29, 2010, 21:53:00
Umm, yeah, because the people who enter that info have nothing better to do.    ::)
Perhaps you have a similar name or SN as someone else?  Stranger things have happened.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: SevenSixTwo on March 29, 2010, 21:54:39
Umm, yeah, because the people who enter that info have nothing better to do.    ::)
Perhaps you have a similar name or SN as someone else?  Stranger things have happened.

Good point, I personally find it hilarious but the humour was not needed after hearing all the horror stories of CT's only to be immediately confronted thereafter with a file issue right off the bat.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Husqurl on April 21, 2010, 14:06:43
So, to revive a dying (if slowly) thread...

What process goes into effect if you reject your initial offer?

I've just recieved an offer which would involve a posting to Pet which I may have to refuse for personal reasons (read: wife says no).

Should I refuse this offer, what are the odds of getting another and/or more agreeable one within a reasonable time frame?  I know there's been a lot of changes to the system recently, so I'm hesitant to depend upon what I've heard of the process from those that did it a few years ago.

I'm presently on tour, and don't have much going on when I get back... I'd definitely like to get in sooner than later, and before they opt to remove the signing bonus.  But three years-ish is a long time to be somewhere you don't want to be, and I wouldn't look forward to living with someone in that situation.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PMedMoe on April 21, 2010, 14:16:41
Not sure about your initial question, but I have one for you.  If you refuse due to a posting to Petawawa, what happens when you accept (for a different posting) and then you are posted to Pet later in your career?

This is the Reg F, unlike the Res, you go where the CF needs you.

I understand that your spouse may not want to go to Pet, but is she willing for you to go on IR and (depending on how far away you live) not seeing you for long periods of time?  Perhaps these are things you should have discussed before applying for CT.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on April 21, 2010, 14:20:00
You have two choices:

     1.  Turn down all offers, and stay with your darling wife in her favourite hometown; or

     2.  Accept the offer, and explain to your darling wife that she will have to accept wherever the CF should decide to post you, and eventually it may be Petawawa.  ......... or

OPTION 3.  You trade her in for a more agreeable model.

If she somehow has formed the opinion that you will be able to stay in her favourite hometown, you should set her straight right now, as there are probably no established positions for someone of your rank and Trade in her favourite hometown.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: TimBit on April 21, 2010, 15:23:41
Well hate to disagree with you here, George, but he does, indeed, have a fourth choice, and that is to refuse the initial
offer and take his chances in asking for another offer. In the meantime, they may close his trade or pick someone more lenient than him, and I have no friggin clue about the delta admin reqd, but he can indeed say no, for the first and last time of his RegF career (in theory...).
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on April 21, 2010, 15:34:19
I agree, he can say no and try to work a "deal" or perhaps await a better offer.   In the meantime, the Signing Bonus may disappear, as it has for several Trades already. 

We can provide several options, but the member should be talking to the people who are giving him the offer, not us.  If there are any changes that can be made, it is them who will be able to provide the member with valid options.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: CountDC on April 21, 2010, 15:44:30
Well hate to disagree with you here, George, but he does, indeed, have a fourth choice, and that is to refuse the initial
offer and take his chances in asking for another offer. In the meantime, they may close his trade or pick someone more lenient than him, and I have no friggin clue about the delta admin reqd, but he can indeed say no, for the first and last time of his RegF career (in theory...).

with a chance that it will be his last and only as he could have the mythical giant red stamp on his file saying "stick in cabinet and forget that it exists" or maybe even have it PA'd to file 13 in the round cabinet.

The others are right - this is something that should have been dealt with before you applied and wasted peoples time.  Deal with it now - you and your wife have to decide if you want the military life or not.  If you do then take the offer and hope for a quick posting out.  Maybe you will be lucky and find it to be the worse posting of your career over and done with.  Then again you may find that you are happy there and fighting against being posted out down the road.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Wilshire Blvd. on May 04, 2010, 20:53:05
Hi Guys,

I'm in a bit of a dilemma. I joined the PRes in December and I have decided to apply for a CT to the RegF. I am scheduled to start BMQ/SQ this summer. I have been told that my 20 day BMQ/SQ won't be transferable and I will have to do it again - which is fine. I will have to leave my current work place if I go on course this summer. I know that my employer can't legally hold my service against me in any way, but it's not a position I want to put them in, especially when I may be leaving for good in the 'near' future. I don't plan on having any future with my current reserve unit and my SQ will be irrelevant as my CT is to a non-army environment.

Ideally, I would love to go on some sort of leave so I can continue to work at my civilian work place until my CT is complete. What are my options? Will not going on course this summer hurt my chances for a CT?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Tango18A on May 04, 2010, 21:14:39
Usually a CT candidate has some Mil Trg that can be applied to the Reg Force from the PRes. I CT'd in 1997, some of the first, and my quals translated into Cpl Spec 1 Lvl 0. If you have to go do BMQ/SQ again I think that you are a recruit off the street, unless Pre-BMQ/SQ time qualifies for anything??
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Wilshire Blvd. on May 04, 2010, 21:20:23
Usually a CT candidate has some Mil Trg that can be applied to the Reg Force from the PRes. I CT'd in 1997, some of the first, and my quals translated into Cpl Spec 1 Lvl 0. If you have to go do BMQ/SQ again I think that you are a recruit off the street, unless Pre-BMQ/SQ time qualifies for anything??

I don't think it would count for much if anything at all. I would be happy to apply as a recruit off the street but would like to avoid release and re-applying if possible.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: CountDC on May 05, 2010, 13:19:40
and it appears that you are assuming your CT will be a quick one.  They can take a long time giving you a chance to get additional training and experience in so that you don't have to do basic again.  With your current level your options are basically do the training or get out.  I doubt your unit wants to carry untrained dead weight against their establishment while you wait for a CT that may not even happen.  Put in the time and effort at the unit until you actually get a CT.  It may at least count towards pay incentive and pension when you do CT (not a lot but every day counts).
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: a.armstrong on May 12, 2010, 14:34:29
Im currently looking into a ct myself, but due to a large amount of problems I'm have been having with my or/unit admin, Im finding it hard to get the answers that I need so here goes.
1. Who would one talk to, in the unit, about getting this process underway, and is it a different process to also remuster to a different trade as mine is full?
2. As the infantry for reg is apperently full for the next 2 years, what training would help for transfering to wpn tech? or would I be better off just going sme or drv as I am already dw qualled?
3. I am a cpl 1, how much "time in" would I need to keep my rank even if I were to loose my pay grade and be cpl 0?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Loachman on May 12, 2010, 15:02:03
Okay. That's enough from everybody regarding this issue. The posting style has been fixed, and learning has occurred. Off-topic posts have been removed.

As a reminder to all, clear and coherent communication is required both in the CF and here. That includes proper capitalization, punctuation, sentence structure, and spelling. It aids others in reading what is posted, and generally gets a quicker and more helpful response.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Wilshire Blvd. on May 12, 2010, 15:20:40
and it appears that you are assuming your CT will be a quick one.  They can take a long time giving you a chance to get additional training and experience in so that you don't have to do basic again.  With your current level your options are basically do the training or get out.  I doubt your unit wants to carry untrained dead weight against their establishment while you wait for a CT that may not even happen.  Put in the time and effort at the unit until you actually get a CT.  It may at least count towards pay incentive and pension when you do CT (not a lot but every day counts).

I'm not assuming it will be a quick one - that is why 'near' was in quotations. I have notified my CoC of my intentions and will discuss my options with him when we meet this week.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Globemaster on May 13, 2010, 11:21:54
Hi everyone,

I've applied for my CT/OT in early march 2010 from res sup tech to reg F AERE through DEO. I've been nominated for my supply QL3 this summer. My concern is that if I'm at Borden, I won't be at home to receive phone calls regarding my CT/OT and I won't be able to listen to the answering machine messages until I return in September. I'm also not sure how much e-mail access we will get in Borden in case they contact by e-mail. Currently, the only e-mail I've received was the one regarding confirmation of my MPRR which came a few days after I've submitted my application. Other then that, I was told that my file is now with a broker and I will have to wait out until the broker contacts me. Basically, will going on course affect the processing time of my CT/OT?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Technoviking on May 13, 2010, 11:54:15
Get a cell phone and give that number to the recruiter.  Explain to him or her your situation. 


And then, Bob's your uncle.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: TimBit on May 13, 2010, 12:06:48
You will have to be in touch via email or phone. I had the same timelines as you last year, and got issued a broker in July, whom I contacted by phone and email. Still not in, BTW. Word of advice, keep pushing...politely.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Globemaster on May 13, 2010, 20:45:21
Are you allowed to have a cell phone on course? I haven't been assigned a broker yet so who would I give that number to? I most likely will take my Vancouver cell phone to Borden so that number should work. I am asking one of the corporals in my BOR to politely inquire because I'm not sure who else I can politely inquire to at this point
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Occam on May 13, 2010, 21:13:08
Are you allowed to have a cell phone on course? I haven't been assigned a broker yet so who would I give that number to? I most likely will take my Vancouver cell phone to Borden so that number should work. I am asking one of the corporals in my BOR to politely inquire because I'm not sure who else I can politely inquire to at this point

Sure, why wouldn't you be allowed to have a cell phone on course?  Can't offer any advice on who to give the number to, but Technoviking's advice seems sound.  But as for the cell phone, sure, bring it along with you.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PMedMoe on May 13, 2010, 21:14:10
Are you allowed to have a cell phone on course?

Well, I wouldn't have the ringer turned on in classes (or even bring it) but, yes, you can. 
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: C.G.R on May 16, 2010, 21:35:14
Would time in the infantry reserves suffice to OT to SAR Tech, or would I be better off to get my PCP?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: bananaman on May 16, 2010, 22:54:07
Would time in the infantry reserves suffice to OT to SAR Tech, or would I be better off to get my PCP?

I am currently in  the same boat, well....almost. I had it im ny mind I was going SAR until I did RESEARCH and found out how hard the selection is. Yes you can OT direct over but keep in mind there will be alot of others applying. Some of them (like me now) will have taken courses to be an EMT with a local fire department to also get hands on experience. Just because you meet the "standard" doesn't mean you will be accepted.

I applied once and blew away the fitness standard. However I was not selected because there was at least 30 other people that had a medical background. Since I have changed that I plan to apply again in the near future. The competion is hard and you have to make yourself as appealing as possible. Every applicant's file goes through a review board. Only about 24 people out of 300-400 applicants will make it to selection.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Wilshire Blvd. on May 20, 2010, 15:43:52
Am I able to join the supplementary reserve while I CT?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: TimBit on May 20, 2010, 16:08:12
 
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Am I able to join the supplementary reserve while I CT?

???

No... why would you? Are you in the Primary Reserve? CT'ing means transferring from one component to another; components are CIC, PRes, RegF, SupRes and Special (Mobilization). You can't transfer to two components at the same time.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Wilshire Blvd. on May 20, 2010, 16:17:22
Yes, I'm in the primary reserve. I want to become inactive while I CT. I don't know my options and my unit won't help me with answers. Today is the first I've heard of the supplementary reserve.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: TimBit on May 20, 2010, 16:46:40
Ask for an LWOP period during your transfer (leave without pay).
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Rheostatic on May 20, 2010, 17:14:20
Ask for an LWOP period during your transfer (leave without pay).
Would ED&T not be more appropriate?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Wilshire Blvd. on May 20, 2010, 17:45:54
Rheostatic, what is ED&T? Is there a realistic chance they will give me LWOP? Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: mariomike on May 20, 2010, 17:48:47
Rheostatic, what is ED&T?

Topic: "Excused Drill and Training (ED&T)":
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=31042.0
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Wilshire Blvd. on May 20, 2010, 22:28:56
Thanks, mariomike - I will look into that.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Wilshire Blvd. on May 21, 2010, 23:07:31
I've been getting mixed answers to this question - can anybody apply for a CT? I have been told you need to be QL3 qualified, another person told me you need at least one year of reserve experience to be considered for a CT. I have only been a reservist since December and don't have formal training.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Globemaster on May 21, 2010, 23:56:00
i'm not too sure about the 1 year rule but my unit has CT'd two successful applicants who weren't QL3 qualified. One was BMQ qualified and one was SQ qualified. I've heard rumors that its minimum 2 years in reserves though?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Wilshire Blvd. on May 22, 2010, 00:46:04
Yea, I'm not sure. I understand they don't want people jumping around, but if they accept applicants off the street, I don't know why they wouldn't accept a reservist with little to no experience.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: jake830 on May 24, 2010, 18:31:28
anyone can apply for a CT, it all depends on your qualifications on whether or not you will receive a recruit school bypass, usually to receive a bypass you must have worked at least 51 class B days,  the more service the better chance of receiving a CT. Whether or not your changing trades plays into the picture too, there are alot of variables looked at in Ottawa, hence why the process is unfortunately so long.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: readytogo on June 02, 2010, 13:58:59
I am as well considering a CT after some reserve time, is it fair to say that if i complete my bmq and sq then at the very least all i will have to do is trade related training? or is it a better idea to be completely trained before attempting a CT application? I know that nothing in the combat arms is opening up this year so is it reasonable to say that come next april i should have most of my bmq out of the way? (field engineer in edmonton is the plan)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Wilshire Blvd. on June 24, 2010, 21:25:40
It wasn't possible for me to apply for a CT to more than one trade - if the trade I applied for is full, what happens? Is it possible to add a second occupation to your application? I am interested in two or three trades.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: TenthLegionaire on June 28, 2010, 15:14:10
I'm currently in the process of a CT and I have a question regarding my PLAR for the wise souls here.

I'm Army, switching to AERE Air Force.

I have completed BMQ (R), BOTP (R) and CAP but I'm not being given BMOQ-2 equivalency.

CAP (now BMOQ-L) is a more advanced leadership course than BMOQ-2 and in doing some reading on army.ca my understanding  is anyone with CAP or PLQ sould get a BMOQ Mod-2 Bypass. (which also seems to make sense).

Is this the case? Do I need to request the bypass from the CDA with CO's letter and course reports etc?

If I have to take the course then so be it, its not the end of the world (I wouldn't mind some more field time anyway!) but I would like to know my PLAR is correct. I have asked my DGMC contact but would like `corroboration'.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NFLD Sapper on June 28, 2010, 20:45:17
I might be way out in left field here but it might have to do with you doing BMQ and BOTP (R) courses..... you might be missing certain PO's inorder for you to granted BMOQ-2 equivalency.....
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: TenthLegionaire on June 28, 2010, 21:03:35
hmmm.... I'm pretty sure the The POs are the same just not as much 'practical' in Reserve

Reserve BOTP is only 2 1/2 weeks versus Reg force BOTP (Now called BMOQ Mod 2) is 6 weeks. The main difference I beleive is in the field time. 9 days for reserve versus something like 20 days for Reg force BOTP.  (Though the new courses BOMQ etc may have changed that)

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NFLD Sapper on June 28, 2010, 21:23:01
From the TP I have kicking around here.... BOTP (PRes) is split into two blocks,


PRes BOTP Block I: 20 days (which is the length of the PRes BMQ course)

PRes BOTP Block II: 6 days (7.5 days for weekend run sessions).
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: TenthLegionaire on June 28, 2010, 21:39:58
It has changed a little. The BOTP Reserve I did last summer was 12 training days.

The Reg force BOTP (BOMQ-2) is shorter too I believe. It was 9 or 10 weeks now its 6.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Wilshire Blvd. on July 04, 2010, 09:35:45
It wasn't possible for me to apply for a CT to more than one trade - if the trade I applied for is full, what happens? Is it possible to add a second occupation to your application? I am interested in two or three trades.

Anyone? I believe my trade is full.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Tango18A on July 04, 2010, 20:02:39
If the trade you currently hold is full, then you should be making a trip to the nearest CFRC to discuss with a recruiter which trades are the best fit for you. Until then you will be waiting for who knows long until the trade you want opens.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Shad4now on July 15, 2010, 03:57:48
Hi I have a CT in to go from PRes to Reg same trade.  I have been waiting for PLAR results to come back now for just over 3 months.  Anyone out there have any idea how much longer I will be waiting for?  Any sort of approx timeline would help.  I understand that the amount of CT requests have increased and the PLAR shop is under a lot of pressure, but 3 months for same trade?  I am getting worried as I am seeing all available APS posn for the trade is being filled up very quickly.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: CorporalMajor on July 15, 2010, 09:25:55
Hi I have a CT in to go from PRes to Reg same trade.  I have been waiting for PLAR results to come back now for just over 3 months.  Anyone out there have any idea how much longer I will be waiting for?  Any sort of approx timeline would help.  I understand that the amount of CT requests have increased and the PLAR shop is under a lot of pressure, but 3 months for same trade?  I am getting worried as I am seeing all available APS posn for the trade is being filled up very quickly.
Took me 6 months.

There are a lot of factors that weigh into when you get the offer; and you didn't mention many of them.   
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Wilshire Blvd. on July 19, 2010, 11:22:39
If the trade you currently hold is full, then you should be making a trip to the nearest CFRC to discuss with a recruiter which trades are the best fit for you. Until then you will be waiting for who knows long until the trade you want opens.

I was under the impression the recruiting centre had nothing to do with my component transfer other than my interview/medical, and that my unit was who I would have to contact.

I spoke with my unit who said they would continue to process my application even if my trade choice was full, and the person handling my interview would tell me if I needed to choose another trade. Does this sound accurate?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on July 19, 2010, 12:03:21
I was under the impression the recruiting centre had nothing to do with my component transfer other than my interview/medical, and that my unit was who I would have to contact.

I spoke with my unit who said they would continue to process my application even if my trade choice was full, and the person handling my interview would tell me if I needed to choose another trade. Does this sound accurate?


You are correct.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Wilshire Blvd. on October 31, 2010, 19:15:41
How long are the CFRC fitness tests valid for?

I think mine is going to expire this fall. I was told I am unable to do a BFT with my unit due to my ED&T status. What are my options? Does my fitness test have to be valid for my CT to be processed? Can I update my fitness test somewhere other than my unit?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: SGT-RMSCLK on October 31, 2010, 20:06:38
Fitness tests (Express test) are good for 365 days from the date of testing.  If you achieved and exempt status then it is good for 730 days (2  years) from the date of testing. The BFT is good for 365 days only.   
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on October 31, 2010, 20:07:43
You don't need a BFT to CT, just book a time with your local PSP staff (if you have a base nearby) and do the Expres test.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Wilshire Blvd. on October 31, 2010, 20:40:45
You don't need a BFT to CT, just book a time with your local PSP staff (if you have a base nearby) and do the Expres test.

PM inbound.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Globemaster on November 01, 2010, 13:25:33
I'm going through the CT process as well and I was told you do need an up-to-date fitness test, either the BFT or the CF EXPRES test. If your fitness test isn't valid, your CT comes to a grinding halt according to my CFRC interviewer. I've inquired regarding booking a CF EXPRES test appointment as soon as my file manager told me this and was told since we're army, we only do the BFT. Also, since my unit wasn't running a BFT until December, my unit arranged for me to do the BFT with another unit so this is a possible option as well.

You can easily check if your fitness test is about to expire or not. When you applied for CT, they should have sent you your MPRR. On your MPRR, check the fitness test date category and add one year to that date (providing you didn't achieve exempt on the CF EXPRES test or you did the BFT.)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Globemaster on November 01, 2010, 17:02:27
Also, I received an e-mail from my file manager today stating that the hold on hiring is no longer in effect for Component Transfers for those people still waiting. Sadly, my trade is closed until Apr 2011
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on November 01, 2010, 20:22:12
I've inquired regarding booking a CF EXPRES test appointment as soon as my file manager told me this and was told since we're army, we only do the BFT.

That sounds like a crock, considering on PERs a BFT and Expres Exempt are the same thing. I'm glad your unit went to bat for you, and got you on another BFT.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Wilshire Blvd. on November 02, 2010, 12:41:19
I'm going through the CT process as well and I was told you do need an up-to-date fitness test, either the BFT or the CF EXPRES test. If your fitness test isn't valid, your CT comes to a grinding halt according to my CFRC interviewer. I've inquired regarding booking a CF EXPRES test appointment as soon as my file manager told me this and was told since we're army, we only do the BFT. Also, since my unit wasn't running a BFT until December, my unit arranged for me to do the BFT with another unit so this is a possible option as well.

You can easily check if your fitness test is about to expire or not. When you applied for CT, they should have sent you your MPRR. On your MPRR, check the fitness test date category and add one year to that date (providing you didn't achieve exempt on the CF EXPRES test or you did the BFT.)

I received a copy of my MPRR but unfortunately my unit left it almost completely blank. I have been in touch with my OR to have it updated but they have been difficult to deal with. All I got was, "Your expres test is set to expire this fall."

I am hoping to get get my expres test done with CF PSP.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Celticgirl on December 02, 2010, 10:34:55
I received a copy of my MPRR but unfortunately my unit left it almost completely blank. I have been in touch with my OR to have it updated but they have been difficult to deal with. All I got was, "Your expres test is set to expire this fall."

I am hoping to get get my expres test done with CF PSP.

Difficult to deal with in what way? The OR clerks are responsible for updating PeopleSoft with your info, so if there is incorrect and/or missing info on your MPRR, you need to let them know exactly what needs to be changed and keep sending reminders (it gets busy in an OR). Your best bet is to go see them in person with an ink-amended copy of your MPRR (i.e. write in what you need changed), be very polite and let them know you need it done a.s.a.p. for your CT.

If you are wondering how to get a copy of your MPRR without having to ask your clerks to print one off for you (a slow process on PS), you can access it yourself via your EMAA acct. If you don't have an EMAA acct yet, all you need to do is enter your service number on the website and you can create one for yourself.  Easy peasy.



I'm considering a CT myself in the near future. The question is should I do it now (because I may end up with more Class A than B in the coming months, which would suck) or should I hold off until I get my 5's done and subsequently, my promotion (could happen as early as mid-April). The promotion means more money in the long run, not to mention the rank 'improvement' itself is a boon. I'm getting itchy, though, as I really want full-time employment in the Forces and think the Reg F is the best way for me to go.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Technoviking on December 02, 2010, 10:49:41
I'm considering a CT myself in the near future. The question is should I do it now (because I may end up with more Class A than B in the coming months, which would suck) or should I hold off until I get my 5's done and subsequently, my promotion (could happen as early as mid-April). The promotion means more money in the long run, not to mention the rank 'improvement' itself is a boon. I'm getting itchy, though, as I really want full-time employment in the Forces and think the Reg F is the best way for me to go.
Think long-term.  That's my advice.  As for getting itchy, just put some Calamine lotion on it ;D
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on December 02, 2010, 13:19:46
I'm considering a CT myself in the near future. The question is should I do it now (because I may end up with more Class A than B in the coming months, which would suck) or should I hold off until I get my 5's done and subsequently, my promotion (could happen as early as mid-April). The promotion means more money in the long run, not to mention the rank 'improvement' itself is a boon. I'm getting itchy, though, as I really want full-time employment in the Forces and think the Reg F is the best way for me to go.

It really helps to get courses under your belt in the ResF first. If you get your QL5, you won't have to wait to get merit listed in the RegF to get the course. If you don't financially need to transfer, hold off and apply a month or 2 before your QL5 course, or once you're loaded. That way you get the course, and can transfer right afterwards.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: dapaterson on December 02, 2010, 14:10:07
It really helps to get courses under your belt in the ResF first. If you get your QL5, you won't have to wait to get merit listed in the RegF to get the course. If you don't financially need to transfer, hold off and apply a month or 2 before your QL5 course, or once you're loaded. That way you get the course, and can transfer right afterwards.

However, with intake restricted into the Reg F now and for the near term, there is no guarantee of when you'll be able to make the leap.  Starting the process now gets you on the radar, should position open up; otherwise, you could be bypassed as others with their names already in the system get picked up first.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on December 02, 2010, 17:40:09
However, with intake restricted into the Reg F now and for the near term, there is no guarantee of when you'll be able to make the leap.  Starting the process now gets you on the radar, should position open up; otherwise, you could be bypassed as others with their names already in the system get picked up first.

That's true, the CM may also let you defer your COS date if you're starting a QL5 soon, its to their benefit to have you qualified already.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Wilshire Blvd. on December 02, 2010, 18:31:57
Difficult to deal with in what way? The OR clerks are responsible for updating PeopleSoft with your info, so if there is incorrect and/or missing info on your MPRR, you need to let them know exactly what needs to be changed and keep sending reminders (it gets busy in an OR). Your best bet is to go see them in person with an ink-amended copy of your MPRR (i.e. write in what you need changed), be very polite and let them know you need it done a.s.a.p. for your CT.

If you are wondering how to get a copy of your MPRR without having to ask your clerks to print one off for you (a slow process on PS), you can access it yourself via your EMAA acct. If you don't have an EMAA acct yet, all you need to do is enter your service number on the website and you can create one for yourself.  Easy peasy.



I'm considering a CT myself in the near future. The question is should I do it now (because I may end up with more Class A than B in the coming months, which would suck) or should I hold off until I get my 5's done and subsequently, my promotion (could happen as early as mid-April). The promotion means more money in the long run, not to mention the rank 'improvement' itself is a boon. I'm getting itchy, though, as I really want full-time employment in the Forces and think the Reg F is the best way for me to go.

What website do I use to create an EMMA account? Thanks for the good advice, and good luck with your CT if that is the route you choose to take.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: dangerboy on December 02, 2010, 18:39:14
What website do I use to create an EMMA account? Thanks for the good advice, and good luck with your CT if that is the route you choose to take.

http://img-dcb-aemaa01.forces.mil.ca/emaa/engraph/login_e.asp
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: acooper on December 02, 2010, 19:45:35
As a reservist, I expect Wilshire Blvd will have a hard time getting on a DWAN site. You'll probably have to deal with your reserve unit's OR to get all this situated...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Wilshire Blvd. on December 03, 2010, 14:28:06
acooper is correct, the link does not work for me. I will get in touch with my OR. Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Celticgirl on December 05, 2010, 19:34:10
Thanks for all the input. Lots of food for thought. I'll think on it over the holidays and see how I feel in the New Year.

As for the reservist and EMAA, I am a bit confused. I am a reservist and have an EMAA acct. Do you not have access to a DND computer? Do you have DND email? All the reservists I work with (76 of us) have access to the DWAN and EMAA. Is it just AF mbrs that can do that? As a clerk, I advise res members of my unit to get their pay statements and MPRRs from EMAA as opposed to going to the OR every time they need or want them. I don't like to think about what (work) life would be like without EMAA. LOL
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on December 05, 2010, 20:59:22
I didn't know you could get RPSR pay statements on EMAA, thought that was just a Cl C/Reg F thing.

Also, in combat arms oriented PRes units, there is less IT resources for the Cpl/Pte in the section, its their boss that has it. Not every Pte in the PRes needs a DWAN account.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: acooper on December 05, 2010, 21:20:07
What I had advised Wilshire was based on my husband's experience in the PRes in Windsor, with the Windsor Regt. He told me it was difficult to get on a DWAN computer, but the OR was easy to deal with once you understood their schedule.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Brasidas on December 06, 2010, 20:38:08
Thanks for all the input. Lots of food for thought. I'll think on it over the holidays and see how I feel in the New Year.

As for the reservist and EMAA, I am a bit confused. I am a reservist and have an EMAA acct. Do you not have access to a DND computer? Do you have DND email? All the reservists I work with (76 of us) have access to the DWAN and EMAA. Is it just AF mbrs that can do that? As a clerk, I advise res members of my unit to get their pay statements and MPRRs from EMAA as opposed to going to the OR every time they need or want them. I don't like to think about what (work) life would be like without EMAA. LOL

On my 5's and PLQ, less than half the students had DWAN accounts.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: dapaterson on December 06, 2010, 21:51:21
Reservists can get on to EMAA, and get RPSR pay statements delviered to non-DND email accounts.  Quite nice to get alerted by email with a PDF copy of yourstatement instead of wrestling with another piece of paper on a parade night.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: uniqnik on January 08, 2011, 12:35:07
Is it possible to join reserves for one trade (lets say artillery) and then CT to Reg F. for another trade?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: AgentSmith on January 08, 2011, 12:40:59
Is it possible to join reserves for one trade (lets say artillery) and then CT to Reg F. for another trade?

Yes, you'd just have to do an occupational transfer as well. Like for me, I'm reserve Armd Recce, but I want to go reg force as MP.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on January 08, 2011, 12:45:18
Is it possible to join reserves for one trade (lets say artillery) and then CT to Reg F. for another trade?

Yes.

It has been covered in this topic already.  If you read the topic you will find that you can CT to another Trade, but you will only be credited for the most part with the Recruit School Bypass.  You will have to start in that "new Trade" as an untrained member and put through the QL3/QL4/QL5 Trades training as required.  You will most likely be demoted to Cpl, if you held a higher rank; but if you have any Leadership Crses (ie. PLQ) you will likely keep those qualifications.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Celticgirl on January 08, 2011, 13:09:26
It really helps to get courses under your belt in the ResF first. If you get your QL5, you won't have to wait to get merit listed in the RegF to get the course. If you don't financially need to transfer, hold off and apply a month or 2 before your QL5 course, or once you're loaded. That way you get the course, and can transfer right afterwards.

Just a little update: I've decided that this (PuckChaser's advice above) is the way I am going to proceed.  My course is in March, so I will apply for a CT in February, once I get my official course loading msg.  I am due my promotion in April (assuming I pass my QL5 before then), so I hope to get an offer for the RegF as a Cpl. :)  My focus now is getting my 4's signed off and doing well on my 5's course. 
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Flips13 on January 11, 2011, 22:28:44
Who would you goto see for a CT/OT Chief Clerk or up the Chain. done 3 years with ppcli, now in infantry reserves, wanting to goto Naval comms.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on January 11, 2011, 22:49:50
Who would you goto see for a CT/OT Chief Clerk or up the Chain. done 3 years with ppcli, now in infantry reserves, wanting to goto Naval comms.

Neither, you can submit a form online and initiate the process. I believe it is found earlier in this thread (Non-DWAN). This link: http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/pd/pi-ip/03-08-eng.asp (http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/pd/pi-ip/03-08-eng.asp) has the link to the forms on DWAN inside the PDF, and also outlines the entire process.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Flips13 on January 11, 2011, 23:03:06
Cannot seem to open the Form:

http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/pd/pi-ip/doc/03-08-eng.pdf > http://hr3.ottawa-hull.
mil.ca/dgmc/engraph/ComponentTxfer_e.asp?Opensub=12

Any other way i could get the form since it's not opening for me?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on January 11, 2011, 23:08:28
Cannot seem to open the Form:

http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/pd/pi-ip/doc/03-08-eng.pdf > http://hr3.ottawa-hull.
mil.ca/dgmc/engraph/ComponentTxfer_e.asp?Opensub=12

Any other way i could get the form since it's not opening for me?

About 6 posts down in this thread: http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=70341.0 (http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=70341.0)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Flips13 on January 13, 2011, 19:57:49
About 6 posts down in this thread: http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=70341.0 (http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=70341.0)

Ok, I certainly don't want to bother anybody about this topic since it should have everything included in this 19 page thread But.

Just to make sure i'm not missing anything i did the online form emailed it to the address at the bottom of it. Is that the only thing I have to do right now besides wait? the clerk got an email about me yesterday but didn't say what it was. I just figured since i just got into the unit it was about that. But maybe i should let her know what's going on? I haven't told anyone at the Unit that i'm CT/OT.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on January 13, 2011, 20:17:44
Ok, I certainly don't want to bother anybody about this topic since it should have everything included in this 19 page thread But.

Just to make sure i'm not missing anything i did the online form emailed it to the address at the bottom of it. Is that the only thing I have to do right now besides wait? the clerk got an email about me yesterday but didn't say what it was. I just figured since i just got into the unit it was about that. But maybe i should let her know what's going on? I haven't told anyone at the Unit that i'm CT/OT.

Thanks.

Well, it looks like you really know how to make friends and influence people.  Reading the above quote, you are not even at a new 'gaining' unit and you are already 'jumping ship'.  You have done only one part of your CT process; the Application.  You still have to inform your Chain of Command of your intentions, as they will be involved in the process as well.  They are going to have to provide all your docs, recommendations, etc.  You new OR will be doing a lot of administration when the time comes for you to switch over from Reserve Trade X to Regular Trade Y.  I hope that you haven't burnt all your bridges before they were built.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Flips13 on January 13, 2011, 20:34:54
Well this was actually a suggestion by a Recruiter at this Unit. I wanted to join the Navy (did 3 years in ppcli) she mentioned the easiest way to do so would be going through the CT/OT since i don't have to deal with recruiters and filling out docs/ etc. I also mentioned it to the Chief Clerk that i was going to CT/OT. I am 2 weeks into the reserve unit and i guess on my third week i'll mention it to my section commander and he can go up from there. I'm more less using the reserves, but they have new recruits and ppl on there basic so why not help them out while i wait for my CT/OT to go through.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: greydak on January 31, 2011, 17:33:14
Hey everyone; I have my interview this week for my componet transfer from P Res (Infantry) to ACS Tech.

My Questions are:

1. What is the trade course like in Borden?

2. Is there demand for the trade right now (Maybe more due to the new C-17's and possible F-35 purchase)

3. How long would it take (roughly) to get your fives?

Thanks
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Bubbs25 on February 07, 2011, 16:49:09
Hi there Greydak,

Good choice for ACS tech.  I am currently awaiting to go to borden for my course.  I can answer a couple of your questions for you.  To answer your #2 question, yes there is a demand right now for ACS techs.  They are looking at doubling from approx 430 to 850 pers in the next few years especially with the new aircraft coming in.

To answer your 3rd question: once 3's qualified and sent to your home unit, you will be rotated through shops to get your tick in the box so to speak.  This will be in your Blue Book ( things you have to achieve and signed off by a Level A qualifed Tech). Once you get the items completed in your blue book you can be considered to be 5's qualified and become a POM.

Once I find out more I will let you know but for now this is what Ive been told.
I hope that this helps you out and I'm sure if any other techs are online they can add to it.

Bubbs 25
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: justmyalias on February 09, 2011, 22:56:27
Do I get an award?  I actually just fast-read through all 19 pages of this thread.

YIKES!!!

-Yes, statements definately are avail thru EMAA.  So Happy about that!!

From what I've gathered, this thread is more about the actual process and nuances of the CT.  From what I gather, now more than ever before-the Res-Reg CT process is supposed to be at its best operating speed no?  I'm perhaps naively not at all worried about that process.  I'm more concerned about what to actually CT/OT TO. :facepalm:

My question/enquiry is more about the steps leading UP to.  IE...WHO EXACTLY is our goto Career Manager/Counsellor?  Each time they come around, I'm bypassed because 'we're on a time limit, and the managers don't have much time to see our own people so we won't schedule you to meet them'...sigh.  So then I'm left to myself.

Other than reading the dry material on the forces website, where else is one to gather intel on what exactly this trade or that trade does on a day to day basis.  What & where one would be posted to, Where you'd operate on deployments.  Which trades (commissioning or not) would best suit my character/skill set/professional background.

I need help.  I want to CT/OT yesterday, just can't make up my mind on which of the handful of potential avenues I'm on the verge of deciding on-to commit to.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Shamrock on February 10, 2011, 03:20:09
Try taking a quick stroll through the recruiting fora. That can provide you with a bit if focus.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Wilshire Blvd. on February 10, 2011, 23:30:06
Is it possible to add a second trade choice to your component transfer application?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: CountDC on February 11, 2011, 16:35:55
justmyalias - find someone in the trades you are interested in and talk to them.  Of course take everything with a grain of salt as not all experiences are the same but it will give you some valuable info.  Don't know someone in the trade check with the clerks at the unit, especially the reg f one.  Often we can find someone in the diff trades that will be happy to steer you wrong. Google the trade too - sometimes it is really interesting what you will find.  Finally search/ask here - what trades are you considering and the info you seek.

For example if you asked about clerks you would get some that will tell you the main part of the job is pushing all the crap and abuse back at members that screw up their paperwork and want to always blame the clerks even though they have ignored what we told them just five minutes ago.  Postings?  basically everywhere.  Suit your character - probably not but then does it really suit anyones. If you can't take the crap on a daily basis, do not like helping people, do not like math (or are weak at it), do not know how to turn on a computer, and think that you do not get paid enough to take the crap and abuse then this is not the trade for you as I need people to crap on.  If you are as happy as a pig in sh** then welcome aboard and get filing.  Yeah I'm the old fudge in the corner doing nothing but glaring at you all day as if you stole my last beer.

Now that felt good, climb aboard the happy bus.

Cheers
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on February 11, 2011, 19:39:30
Is it possible to add a second trade choice to your component transfer application?

Not on the forms I've seen, but if you're not suitable for that trade or its full they can give you a chance to pick another.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: boosted11 on February 16, 2011, 06:19:37
Hey everyone; I have my interview this week for my componet transfer from P Res (Infantry) to ACS Tech.

My Questions are:

1. What is the trade course like in Borden?

2. Is there demand for the trade right now (Maybe more due to the new C-17's and possible F-35 purchase)

3. How long would it take (roughly) to get your fives?

Thanks

The course is approx 9 months long, a lot of studying and there's night classes for a portion.
Before your ql3  you do a 2 month common air force course.
Expect to wait at least 2 years to be ql3 qualified.
After Ql3, you are posted, do your on the job training, get your blue book finished and your considered Ql5 trained and your eligible for spec pay.
There is no "ql5" course.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Wilshire Blvd. on February 23, 2011, 10:08:14
I filled out a security clearance form over a year ago but recently received an email from Ottawa telling me it was not showing on my MPRR. I have been in contact with my OR to have the paperwork taken care of. Will this result in a big delay in my CT? I don't know much about the security clearance and what affect it will have on the CT process.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on February 23, 2011, 13:33:52
When you got your Clearance, you should have signed your Initial Briefing/Security Certificate.  You should have been given the original, a copy placed on your Pers File and a copy sent to DPM Secur 2.  That should prove that you have a Clearance to whatever Lvl you have, and someone can then get to the business of correcting HRMS.  You can also have your USS pull up your History and if that doesn't work, query DPM Secur 2 as to what your Clearance is.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: agc on February 23, 2011, 13:54:15
I filled out a security clearance form over a year ago but recently received an email from Ottawa telling me it was not showing on my MPRR. I have been in contact with my OR to have the paperwork taken care of. Will this result in a big delay in my CT? I don't know much about the security clearance and what affect it will have on the CT process.

To get the best info, you should get the status of your screening from your Unit Security Supervisor, and e-mail it to D Mil C (DMILC7CT at forces.gc.ca).  Ask them what their take on it is.  They may accept you, if the clearance is at least in progress.  When they answer, can you let us know what they say?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on February 23, 2011, 15:14:01
When you got your Clearance, you should have signed your Initial Briefing/Security Certificate.  You should have been given the original, a copy placed on your Pers File and a copy sent to DPM Secur 2.  That should prove that you have a Clearance to whatever Lvl you have, and someone can then get to the business of correcting HRMS.  You can also have your USS pull up your History and if that doesn't work, query DPM Secur 2 as to what your Clearance is.

 :facepalm:

Crap!  I jumped the gun on this one.  You only filled out the forms.  That doesn't mean you have a Clearance.  As such it will not show up on your MPRR.  Your USS can print off your History, and give you an idea of where your Clearance has progressed to.  As of yet, you don't have a Clearance above what you had before you filled out those forms...... most likely ERC.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: b7197 on February 23, 2011, 16:32:18
Good Day to all,

I am a Class A Reservist and doing a component transfer to the Regular Forces.
My Security level is Enhanced reliability status. I am a naturalized Canadian and have been in Canada for under 10 years. 
Do I need the Security Clearance or Check again to transfer to the Regular Forces?
My trade colour is purple.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on February 23, 2011, 17:23:19
I'm sure this is covered somewhere on the forums here, but if you're CTing your clearance will transfer provided you aren't OTing into a trade that requires a higher security clearance.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Wilshire Blvd. on February 23, 2011, 19:19:26
To get the best info, you should get the status of your screening from your Unit Security Supervisor, and e-mail it to D Mil C (DMILC7CT at forces.gc.ca).  Ask them what their take on it is.  They may accept you, if the clearance is at least in progress.  When they answer, can you let us know what they say?

Thanks, will do.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Wilshire Blvd. on February 23, 2011, 19:20:26
:facepalm:

Crap!  I jumped the gun on this one.  You only filled out the forms.  That doesn't mean you have a Clearance.  As such it will not show up on your MPRR.  Your USS can print off your History, and give you an idea of where your Clearance has progressed to.  As of yet, you don't have a Clearance above what you had before you filled out those forms...... most likely ERC.

You are correct - the paper work is done, but I don't think I have a Clearance. Do you know if a Clearance is needed to CT?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: agc on February 23, 2011, 19:24:52
You are correct - the paper work is done, but I don't think I have a Clearance. Do you know if a Clearance is needed to CT?

CMP Instr 03-08 (http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/pd/pi-ip/doc/03-08-eng.pdf)

Indicates in Sec 3.3 that you must have Reliability Status, at minimum.  This was granted to you as part of you enrolment process for the P Res.  It is your current unit's responsibility to initiate the upgrade to the required level for the Reg F.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: ltmaverick25 on February 24, 2011, 01:03:36
If you do not require a higher clearance there will be no impact.  Even if you do require a clearance, this will not be used as a determining factor in selection.  If you do require a clearance for your new trade, the paperwork will be initiated once your CT goes through.  It can and will take a long time to process but it wont stop the CT.  It will, however, prevent you from attending basic trades courses that require Secret and above to attend.  You could find yourself on PAT or OJT for an extended period of time in this case.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Sixshooter101 on February 28, 2011, 17:35:34
Hey everyone been browsing this thread and could not find a answer to my question. I am curious what happens after i receive my ETP message. The reason I am curious is that my posting date is 22 march and I have received no information on who my COC is and how to contact them or if i am permitted to take a PMV. I am being posted to PRETC Borden awaiting a QL3 course. My unit orderly room does not have the answers to my questions, so i thought i would aks here. Sorry in advance if this has been answered already as i was unable to find it.  :salute:
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: ltmaverick25 on March 01, 2011, 22:18:48
Does your ETP message not have reporting instructions?

If it doesn't, your best bet would be to call the BTL administrators at Borden and coordinate with them.  They will be the ones looking after you.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: RobOfstie on March 10, 2011, 15:15:10
Hey guys, 

Been on this forum for almost 2 years now lurking,  reading and soaking up as much info as I can.  I've got a few questions for those in the know.   I'm currently a serving NCM with an artillery unit,  been in for 2 years roughly.  I'm also a civilian commercial helicopter pilot and fixed wing pilot,  currently working for a commercial helicopter operator. This entire process has been carefully planned with the end goal being pilot in the airforce.    I've been talking to the recruiter at my unit now that I'm qualified and given some time back to the unit about a component transfer /  occupational transfer into   CEOTP - Pilot if it opens up this next FY.   I'm just curious if anyone else has been through the same process as this and has some information they could share with me?   Is this type of transfer even possible?   My recruiter says she thinks it is but I've read on here  of some guys actually releasing from the reserves and applying CEOTP at the recruiting center as a civvy the same day.   I understand that if it is possible I'm in for a long wait -  that isn't an issue I'm only 24 and I have a flying job already so I can wait as long as it takes.   I've called the recruiting center as well but they just directed me to my unit recruiter.   They didn't seem to know much.   Anyways,   if anyone knows if this is possible and/or has first hand experience with this I would appreciate some info.   

Thanks, 

Rob             
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: kyzer on March 10, 2011, 15:45:55
Hi Rob,

Usually, competition for CEOTP begins in August, closes in Nov/Dec. CEOTP - Pilot was closed this year (CANFORGEN opened it, but it was rescinded), and I am not sure if it will open again. The training system can barely cope with the number of OJTs right now. Some guys have to wait almost 2 years for their PFT.

I assume you are a reservist, then you are not elligible for UTP. Your best bet would be either DEO (if you already have a degree) or ROTP.

Your commercial license will certainly give you a lot points when the board sits, however, its not gonna waive the requirement for ASC. Pass rate at ASC is usually around 40% I think. On mine there was a couple of guys with commercial licenses, and they all failed.

Hope this helps, Good Luck !
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: greydak on March 11, 2011, 15:37:57
Thanks for the info, I had my interview today at the recruiter.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Sparkplugs on March 17, 2011, 08:14:24
Just a quick add-on -- a bunch of the new demand for ACS techs is due to the ACS trade taking over the ALSE (safety systems) duties.  The only reason I say this is because not all ACS techs are happy about it -- there's a possibility that you could end up in an ALSE shop, inspecting flight helmets, sewing bags, testing liferafts, and stuff like that.  ACS doesn't necessarily mean you'll always get a cool welding or machining job.  Just a thought.

*edited for spelling.   ;D
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: greydak on March 17, 2011, 12:14:12
Thanks for the heads up Sparkplugs.

Got my CT Offer today for ACS, Start at CFSATE May 01, 2011... Boy that was fast

Thanks for all the help fellas
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Wilshire Blvd. on March 17, 2011, 20:42:45
Has anybody made recent progress with their CT applications? I haven't heard much in a while.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Flips13 on March 21, 2011, 21:07:45
That silence should pretty much sum it up. I called DMCA once couple weeks back got told wait till end of March/ April 1st, If i don't hear anything around May ish, then call. I'm ''CT/OT'' situation though. Not sure if it makes a difference, time frame wise.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: greydak on March 23, 2011, 16:21:13
Anyone know course dates for the ACS course at CFSATE? I'm to be there as of May 1st, hope I don't sit in PAT platoon long?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Red_Snapper on March 25, 2011, 17:20:40
Alright, so here's the skinny:

I applied for my component transfer (Pres to RegF) quite some time ago. A couple days ago I got an offer via email. Now whats confusing to me is that the offer says ill be keeping the rank of Cpl. and will be posted to the Armoured school in Gagetown. I thought this was strange because I only have a little over 2 years TI in the reserves, how could my equivalency come to that?

More over, could this mean I will more than likely be re-completing my DP1 and DP2? I would have thought so, but why than allow my to keep Cpl.?

Even further how am I supposed to operate on the same level as a RegF Cpl. who not only has a few more years of practical experience with the vehicles I haven't even been exposed too yet, but more than likely has been on operation.  :facepalm:

> Deep Breath <

I emailed back the contact who sent me the offer, and asked if maybe there was a mistake, but I probably wont receive an answer until next week.

Thanks for any help.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Not a Sig Op on March 25, 2011, 17:26:06
Know and accept your limitations, and strive to over come them.

Unless you'd rather be paid as a private?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on March 25, 2011, 17:28:13
Guess you will be on Course for a while.........getting those qualifications you do not have.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NinerSix on March 25, 2011, 17:28:46
From what I have heard and seen it is common for a PRes Cpl to be offered CPL when CTing to the reg force. Even if the member has a short time in.

Which is why people suggest to make a go of it in the reserve first, to see if they like it and to give them a leg up career wise.

Having worked with 4 years reg force Pte as a 2-3 year reserve Cpl on Ex's, I would venture that you will need some social/leadership skill to avoid building resentment. Not impossible by a long shot, just be aware of it.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Red_Snapper on March 25, 2011, 17:33:21
From what I have heard and seen it is common for a PRes Cpl to be offered CPL when CTing to the reg force. Even if the member has a short time in.

Which is why people suggest to make a go of it in the reserve first, to see if they like it and to give them a leg up career wise.

Having worked with 4 years reg force Pte as a 2-3 year reserve Cpl on Ex's, I would venture that you will need some social/leadership skill to avoid building resentment. Not impossible by a long shot, just be aware of it.

Ya I could see that last part being a bit of a problem.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Flips13 on April 05, 2011, 14:56:47
Anyone with updates?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Coyner on April 08, 2011, 14:26:36
Well, I am in a DEO/CT position now for two years from MARS to Arty. I called my CM and was told that as a DEO/un-skilled applicant and where I have had my application in the longest that things look good, not to mention the scores have been good. Everything has been done and good and all I need is a position to open. I have a follow up interview to do either in person or over the phone, so I don't know what will happen. I hope the Arty gods will be good to me and other trade gods at CT'lympius will be good to everyone else.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Wilshire Blvd. on April 11, 2011, 00:07:19
Anyone with updates?

I was told the trade I applied for (NES OP) was full until April 2012 at the earliest. There were only two available positions this year and both went to people who were MOC qualified. Not sure what, if anything, that says for other Naval trades.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: atifrizvi on April 19, 2011, 00:38:37
I called ottawa this morning as I am heading out for MARSIII i n a few days
and i heard bad news for my self, they only had 2 unskilled openings for AERE this year  and I was in third place as per my interview score.
so tough luck for me.... can any one suggest what I can do moving forward???
Also can i quit and join off the street as a DEO i heard there are more openings there..... please help!!!!!!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Coyner on April 19, 2011, 08:53:20
Interesting, with everyone hearing results or answers from Ottawa, I am wondering if I should give them a ring and findout if they foundout anything about Artillery Officer selections. I am in a component transfer myself, have been for 2 years, and have just completed my followup interview and got recommended. Any feedback?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on April 19, 2011, 09:20:30
so tough luck for me.... can any one suggest what I can do moving forward???
Also can i quit and join off the street as a DEO i heard there are more openings there..... please help!!!!!!

You're OTing, when they said unskilled spots that's unskilled entry DEO for the Regular Force, only a little bit of extra points because you're already serving. You getting out is only going to put your application back at the beginning. If they only have 2 spots, that's 2 spots period, CT or DEO off the street.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Johnny Cage on May 09, 2011, 13:28:58
Check this link out.  You might need to go through the DIN.

http://16wingweb.borden.mil.ca/CFSATE/Lancaster_Sqn/ACS_CC/sch_acs_2012_eng.asp
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Johnny Cage on May 12, 2011, 10:22:12
Futher to my last.  In case you can't access the DIN.  Start dates are:

May 10th,  Jul 13th,  Sep 15th,  Nov 18th,  23 Jan 12,  27 Mar 12

Cheers
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: telltale on June 02, 2011, 12:21:43
Hi all,

Anyone know how would it work for a reserve CFR with no university degree, who wanted to CT to the reg force?

Would his reserve CFR still be valid, would he have to complete his degree etc..?

thanks in advance


Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: kratz on June 02, 2011, 13:36:31
I know 2 cooks (CPO2 and a PO1) who CFR'd as LogOs and then CT'd.  So it is possible.

I do not know the steps they took or the offers they had when switching over. I know they are now Lt(N)s.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: FinClk on June 22, 2011, 18:04:07
Look up CMP Instr 03/08 for your answers.
DIN: http://hr.ottawa-hull.mil.ca/mpi-ipm/03-08-eng.asp
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DieselTech86 on July 16, 2011, 13:29:40
Hi all, I am a Res Pte with 2 and half years of service, no problems clean record, atrend all weekend excersises and maintain ibts and express tests yearly. I also have no E.M.E. Common or DVR Wheel course under my belt but my chain of command is trying to get the E.M.E. Common Course and perhaps my QL 3 written off
because I am a red seal licenced Truck and Coach 310T. Technciian civy side with 6 years of experience. I have not started my CT yet but CFRC Hamilton said it could take a year to complete or happen very quickly as the trade is hiring. Any opinions or recomendations would be greatly appreaciated on how to pursue this. Thank you for your time whoever reads my post
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: steve543 on August 03, 2011, 12:37:17
New guy here,

I've just finished my reserve infantry DP1 and am wanting to CT to reg force. I know that infantry is closed now but how would i go about initiating the CT; is it through chain of command or at the Recruiting Center?

Help would be appreciated,
Steve
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Celticgirl on August 14, 2011, 09:15:45
@Steve543 - The CT application is available online (if I were at work, I could pull up the link but I don't have it at home).  Be sure to advise your CoC of your intentions prior to filling out an application.  You will need to name a supervisor who will be the POC for your application, and of course, it is always wise to inform your superiors of your intentions regarding your career path.  :)  Good luck!  I am still awaiting word on my CT application from this past January, but the good ol' grapevine is still saying September for Cpls, so my fingers and toes are crossed that I get an offer for a posn here in Greenwood.   :salute:
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: GrilledLincoln on October 03, 2011, 18:28:44
Hey everyone I have been waiting on my CT for around a year now, which seems fairly normal from what I hear but I got an e-mail from the DMCA the other day saying to update my MPRR and have my unit forward it to the recruiting center, than withing two weeks of forwarding it I'll have an interview with the Recruiting Center. My question is does anybody know exactly what this interview consists of and if there is an average wait time for my CT to go through after the interview thanks in advance for the help.  :salute:
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on October 03, 2011, 19:52:53
You are doing an OT as well? CTs don't normally need an interview unless they're being done with a change of trade.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: GrilledLincoln on October 03, 2011, 20:54:27
I didn't realize until you just said that, that I am doing an OT from my current trade PRes Sig Op to Reg Force ACISS.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: MikeL on October 03, 2011, 21:06:45
I didn't realize until you just said that, that I am doing an OT from my current trade PRes Sig Op to Reg Force ACISS.

From what I heard(2 weeks ago) all Sig Ops, LCIS and Line are becoming ACISS(Core, CST, etc) 1 Oct 2011.  So as of last weekend you are no longer a Sig Op, but ACISS - unless the date for this new trade has been pushed to the right again.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on October 03, 2011, 21:14:44
No, we're all ACISS now. Actually, if you check EMAA under Readiness Level you'll notice every SigOp, LCIS and Lineman is now DAGed Red as we do not belong to a valid MOS. Comical considering all the heartache they've gone through so far....

You shouldn't be doing an OT, Lincoln. I'm not sure why you need the interview at CFRC, but I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: GrilledLincoln on October 03, 2011, 21:41:31
Hm from what I can see from the e-mail they sent me it's not an OT but since I'm transferring from Res to Reg during the ACISS Amalgamation I'll be doing the interview portion.  That's the only logic I can see.  Any idea on what to expect with the interview I know it's not under normal circumstances but I figure it's probably similar to the OT interview whatever that's all about.  What is the time frame for the transfer after the normal OT interview?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: MikeL on October 03, 2011, 22:05:22
Any idea on what to expect with the interview I know it's not under normal circumstances but I figure it's probably similar to the OT interview whatever that's all about.

Don't overthink it dude,  just go in and answer their questions, ask whatever questions you have, chat with them, etc. 


What is the time frame for the transfer after the normal OT interview?

There is no timelines sit in stone,  no one can tell you that in XX amount of days after the interview you will be in Regs and on a plane or driving to your first posting(school or unit).
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: GrilledLincoln on October 03, 2011, 22:15:55
Thanks for the info. I was more wondering on an average time frame for most people but I suppose it's very different for every person depending on # of positions available and what not. Thanks again for the information.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: SevenSixTwo on November 15, 2011, 00:10:40
Over two years waiting for a transfer with my interview in and everything.

My file manager has been changed over 8 times and I have lost track of who has it now since the last file manager in my e-mails is no longer in D Mil C.

How do I find my file/file manager?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on November 18, 2011, 17:05:09
Call the office that your old manager was in. At least you'd be in the right place, and I bet your new manager is at the same desk with the same extension unless they added a whole whack of new file managers.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Canoe2Boot on November 19, 2011, 11:01:10
Does anyone have experience with putting in a CT/OT with a future preferred transfer date? I submitted my online application on 10 Nov and I haven't received the standard automated message from D Mil C. My CClk told me to resubmit it and I did, but still nothing. I know I've read in this thread of it taking two weeks + to hear anything and it would be imprudent of me to resubmit again because there is most likely a reason for the delay, any thoughts?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Canoe2Boot on November 21, 2011, 14:55:37
Scratch my previous post, I got the confirmation e-mail today.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: unit91 on November 24, 2011, 19:43:02
Hey guys, just a question. Im a reservist, CTing to the regs. Currently deployed and butted heads with an oc and now am no longer commanding a platoon. My CT is in and gone through for 00180 (Inf). Do you know if things like this follow your file from PRes to RegF and what kind of bearing that would have on getting a platoon after completing my mech training? Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: justmyalias on December 03, 2011, 09:56:10
How can I find out which trades are aggressively recruiting?

I have a few that I'm interested in, but could be swayed either way.  Unfortunately I can't seem to get any info to that effect.

It would be great if I could be a little proactive and find another trade to get into that'll get the ball rollin' sooner than later.

Much obliged,
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: mariomike on December 03, 2011, 21:15:40
How can I find out which trades are aggressively recruiting?

This is from last year:
Topic: "How to tell where current job openings are?";
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=95156.0

You can also keep an eye on this thread:
Topic: "Trades OPEN / Closed ?":
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,88342.0/nowap.html

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: justmyalias on December 04, 2011, 09:21:58
Thanks for the links.

The first one is a dead thread from 07/2010 (last post), and a link on the forces website that doesn't work anymore.  I'm assuming that would have showed #'s for fresh recruits.  IE irrelevant for Res to Reg queries...no?

The other thread I'm looking through now has some more meat of course.  I've read back three+pages and it also seems to be focused on Reg OT's., not Res CT/OTs :(.

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but there is a separate quota for the Res - Reg pool (D Mil C, is the only one with these stats), Reg - Reg OT (BPSO will handle this only), and CIvvy - Reg Recruiting (Recruiting Centres, Forces.ca website).  I am only interested in the highlighted one.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: SevenSixTwo on December 13, 2011, 00:55:18
100 Jobs in Trade X for Year Y

50 Jobs in Trade X go to CFRC's for off the street

50 jobs in Trade X go to D Mil C for CT's and OT's

Trade X needs this many WO's, this many Sgt's, this many Mcpl's, this many Cpls and this many Pte's.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Celticgirl on December 16, 2011, 22:33:04
Got my CT offer this week...Reg F as of 1 Feb 12!  All of my quals were granted on the PLAR!  Very happy!   ;D
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: justmyalias on December 21, 2011, 08:56:08
I just learned that initial/first postings for CTs are no longer entitled to a move cost/HHT/etc.  What about home purchase closing costs?  Those still covered?

Can someone comment?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: dapaterson on December 21, 2011, 09:55:43
I just learned that initial/first postings for CTs are no longer entitled to a move cost/HHT/etc.  What about home purchase closing costs?  Those still covered?

Can someone comment?

CBI chapter 209 section 8 appplies to non-IRP moves.  I believe that is the applicable framework for a first posting for a CT, though you should confirm that.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PPCLI Guy on December 21, 2011, 17:10:48
Hey guys, just a question. Im a reservist, CTing to the regs. Currently deployed and butted heads with an oc and now am no longer commanding a platoon. My CT is in and gone through for 00180 (Inf). Do you know if things like this follow your file from PRes to RegF and what kind of bearing that would have on getting a platoon after completing my mech training? Thanks guys.

The Infantry CT Board sat last week.  It was chaired by Director Infantry, and the members were the three Regimental Colonels, and one non-aligned (Artillery) Colonel.  The last 3 PERs (if available) formed the primary basis for scoring of the files.  If you have been selected, and are offered a position on DP 1.2, you will command a platoon in the Battalion, irrespective of whether or not you did so as a Reservist.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Baden Guy on December 30, 2011, 17:17:54
Got my CT offer this week...Reg F as of 1 Feb 12!  All of my quals were granted on the PLAR!  Very happy!   ;D

Congrats to you! :piper: Well deserved
I like many here have been following your adventures.  ;)

I spent some time with 413 in Summerside. Had some great times, saw a lot of the Atlantic provinces.

Cheers
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: greydak on January 02, 2012, 00:05:12
FYI: Started in Borden May, 1, 2011, sat on PAT platoon for a while, on my common course now, my ACS 3's start in May 2012. Trade course went from a 9 to a 14 month course, with the changes came a very big back log of students. So basically it went from a long wait in PAT to a longer wait.  So in total it's going to be 2+ years before I'm "not a student".
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Celticgirl on January 08, 2012, 13:10:12
Congrats to you! :piper: Well deserved
I like many here have been following your adventures.  ;)

I spent some time with 413 in Summerside. Had some great times, saw a lot of the Atlantic provinces.

Cheers

Thanks, Baden Guy!  :)

I do not know yet if I will get to stay at my current unit or will have to move.  The only thing I know right now is that I'll be staying in Greenwood.  My VIE is 3 yrs, so hopefully I will stay put until then at the very least.  My hubby and I both love the valley!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: AgentSmith on January 09, 2012, 11:56:34
I put my CT/OT in, in December and I haven't heard anything back. I'm going to talk to my unit about it soon.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: SevenSixTwo on January 09, 2012, 12:10:26
I'm in the same boat as you. I put my CT/OT in, in December and I haven't heard anything back. I'm going to talk to my unit about it soon.

Are you guys serious?

Get ready for a LONG wait.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eaglelord17 on January 09, 2012, 15:23:02
Hi i'm currently a Pte. in the reserves. I wish to do a CT to a Weapons Engineering Technician and I entend to do it soon (ASAP). I understand the Navy trades tend to have a harder time recruiting and the numbers from last year (for general recruitment) was 31 regular training and 85 NCM-SEP. I understand that there are different numbers for CT's but the NCM-SEP seems to be the choice best number wise. I wish to do the NCM-SEP program which would be best to get into before college starts next year. So my question is how long does a CT for NCM-SEP take (approximately) and would I have enough time to get in before the school restarts?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on January 09, 2012, 16:10:42
I put my CT/OT in, in December and I haven't heard anything back. I'm going to talk to my unit about it soon.

Talk to your unit next December, you may hear something then.

Eaglelord17: If you're OTing as well, you're looking about a year wait before you hear back. Trying for next college semester may be a longshot.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: emanthal on January 11, 2012, 14:21:06
Hey Folks.  I'm about to transfer over from PRes to RegF and I have a couple questions that I hope someone here can answer for me. My Transfer Date is 6 Feb, and COS date is 7 Feb.  I do not have my posting message yet (another issue altogether).  I've been told that I will start being paid as a RegF member as of my Transfer Date.  So 2 questions:

1.  Is that true.
2.  If I negotiate my Report for Duty (RFD) date 30 days to the right as I'm entitled to do, am I still being paid for that 30 days leading up to my RFD date?

I'm hoping to iron out these details before I give my current civi employer a departure date - as I don't want to have a gap in pay.

Cheers
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on January 11, 2012, 14:46:48
1.  Your Reg F pay will commence the day your CT is effective.

2.  You will have to allow for the gaining unit/admin processes to get your entered into the Reg F pay system (CCPS).  When you RFD, you can ask that as part of your in-clearance.  If you are asking your report date be moved 30 days to the right, I am not sure where you are, but you could be looking at local/AR payment until you get to your unit and get into CCPS.

I strongly advise you, if you do receive Local/AR payments for Reg Force pay, keep track of when, how much, keep any paperwork WRT to them and give them to the OR on inclearance.  That way, they can protect your pay so you don't end up getting a double payment thru CCPS if the AR paperwork doesn't follow you in a timely manner.

This happened to me when I CTd a few years back and my CCPS/Reg F pay account was out of whack, and was a PITA to me and the pay folks.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on January 11, 2012, 14:56:41
This happened to me when I CTd a few years back and my CCPS/Reg F pay account was out of whack, and was a PITA to me and the pay folks.

Happens to everyone, I had to go every payday and get a cheque for 2 months.

Problem with you changing your COS date, is that your TOS starts on 6 Feb and you are supposed to be paid from that date but you won't belong to a unit until your COS date so you'd be in limbo. You can request to have your whole CT date moved to the right, did you just get your CT message? D Mil C was very accommodating in moving my date to the right as I was on a career course.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: emanthal on January 11, 2012, 15:34:19
Some more to my situation. I've accepted my offer and am awaiting my Posting/ ETP message.   I'm moving unnacompanied and planning to go IR, so I can't arrange accomodations until I can talk to Brookfield - which apparently is not until my Transfer date.    This all seems to be waiting until the last minute, and thats why I'm concidering trying to move my RFD date.  I need my "Start Pay" date to be set. I don't want to change my Transfer date,  COS date or TOS date.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on January 11, 2012, 15:40:17
The IRP folks moved my date with my gaining CofC for me.  Not sure how it works now.  They should know the deal.  Read the manual!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: emanthal on January 11, 2012, 15:55:52
The IRP manual does not really deal with the CT process and says very with regard to moving of dates and pay.  Thanks though.

edit: Also, I cant talk to teh IRP folk (Brookfield) until my transfer date.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on January 11, 2012, 16:01:12
I should have worded that better sorry.  Read the manual!  There are benefits, etc CF mbrs are entitled to that the IRP folks will not tell you about.  Read it from cover to cover.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on January 11, 2012, 17:28:49
Has your gaining unit's CO approved you to move IR? Its a different system now, IR is not automatic.

You should be able to talk to IRP as soon as you have a posting message, which you're waiting for. They shouldn't care whether you're being paid or not yet.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: emanthal on January 12, 2012, 08:14:56
I'm the one who cares about pay.  ;D 

Yes, I know that IR has to be approved first.  I'm going on an unnacompanied move first, then applying for IR.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Demosthanes on January 12, 2012, 12:38:21
It sounds like you are going to do an occupation transfer (OT) along with a component transfer (CT) as well as switching environments.  The big hold up will be the OT as you may have guessed from previous posts.  The decision makers gather twice a year to decide who gets to transfer into the regular force.  It's a competitive process that is further complicated if the trade is in a hurt locker for folks.  W Eng Tech is doing well so your file will need to be in top form and there is no guarantee that there will be slots open.  If you do get in during the next round, you'll have time enough to go to school in the fall.
Don't become a PITA to your unit asking for updates.  This is one of those 'don't call us, we'll call you' scenarios.  Just make sure your info stays up to date and that all your i's are dotted and t's are crossed.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Hatchet Man on January 13, 2012, 01:04:07
Talk to your unit next December, you may hear something then.

Eaglelord17: If you're OTing as well, you're looking about a year wait before you hear back. Trying for next college semester may be a longshot.

Talking to your unit about a CT you put in, is like going to McDonalds and asking what the deals are at Harvey's.  Your unit will at some point get a request for your pers file and thats it.  If you wanna know whats going on with your CT, you talk to the person in Ottawa who emailed you.  If you put in last month, you definately won't hear anything for a while 1) the xmas leave block, people are only now  all coming back to work and catching up.  2)Most trades are closed until the new fiscal year anyways.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on January 13, 2012, 01:12:27
Didn't catch that I said unit, I meant D MIL C. I totally agree that the unit is going to be in the dark. I notified mine about my CT, and I gave them more information than they got through official channels and messages.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on January 13, 2012, 01:13:42
Yes, I know that IR has to be approved first.  I'm going on an unnacompanied move first, then applying for IR.

What if they say no? You've already signed the dotted line... IMO this is a backdoor way to get IR and probably won't look good on you.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PMedMoe on January 13, 2012, 08:58:50
What if they say no? You've already signed the dotted line... IMO this is a backdoor way to get IR and probably won't look good on you.

Depends on the reasons.  First year IR is to be approved by the gaining CO or Commander.  Not the Career Manager.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: emanthal on January 13, 2012, 12:24:38
What if they say no? You've already signed the dotted line... IMO this is a backdoor way to get IR and probably won't look good on you.

I can't apply for IR from the gaining unti CO before I "sign on the dotted line."  I can't do anything at this point without a posting message - don't even know my chain yet.  Planning unaccompanied move until the 6 month period is up.  If my family is able to move with me at that point, great.  Otherwise IR application. Nothing "backdoor" about it.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: AgentSmith on January 13, 2012, 12:55:03
I got my confirmation email today and another email saying I need to schedule an interview at the CFRC. Yay progress!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on January 13, 2012, 13:00:50
If you put in last month, you definately won't hear anything for a while 1) the xmas leave block, people are only now  all coming back to work and catching up.  2)Most trades are closed until the new fiscal year anyways.

Also, the D Mil C 7 deadline for all PSO shops to have files for all the OT/In Service Selection programs (NCM and Officer) was 15 Jan 12.  With initial offers being scheduled for 01 Mar 12 for the FY 12/13 OTs, I'd say its a safe bet that particular bunch of folks are very busy right now and will be leading up to the Selection Boards, and the follow-on work required to hit that 01 Mar date for the initial round of offers.

In short; be patient.  Its a busy time for them in the FY last quarter and I would assume this will affect CT progress as well.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: AgentSmith on January 13, 2012, 13:10:56
Also, the D Mil C 7 deadline for all PSO shops to have files for all the OT/In Service Selection programs (NCM and Officer) was 15 Jan 12.  With initial offers being scheduled for 01 Mar 12 for the FY 12/13 OTs, I'd say its a safe bet that particular bunch of folks are very busy right now and will be leading up to the Selection Boards, and the follow-on work required to hit that 01 Mar date for the initial round of offers.

In short; be patient.  Its a busy time for them in the FY last quarter and I would assume this will affect CT progress as well.

Ah ok I wasn't aware of that. Though I wasn't really expecting anything much to happen for me in the FY 12/13 since I know there's a huge line of people ahead of me. Still, at least the ball is rolling.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on January 13, 2012, 13:12:45
Its just general info for people to consider.  Keep doing what you are doing, just realize that lots of stuff is happening in that org concurrently and they are not exactly over-staffed.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Fdtrucker on January 14, 2012, 12:26:30
When I was posted last year my Outgoing CO supported my IR request but the Base Commander where I was heading to had to approve it. Incoming CO was not even in the equation. CANFORGEN 32/11 (?) from Feb 2011.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Jarnhamar on January 14, 2012, 15:58:28
Hey Folks.  I'm about to transfer over from PRes to RegF and I have a couple questions that I hope someone here can answer for me. My Transfer Date is 6 Feb, and COS date is 7 Feb.  I do not have my posting message yet (another issue altogether).  I've been told that I will start being paid as a RegF member as of my Transfer Date.  So 2 questions:

1.  Is that true.
2.  If I negotiate my Report for Duty (RFD) date 30 days to the right as I'm entitled to do, am I still being paid for that 30 days leading up to my RFD date?

I'm hoping to iron out these details before I give my current civi employer a departure date - as I don't want to have a gap in pay.

Cheers

This is a reoccurring issue. You can't sort your stuff out with Brooksfield until you get a posting message. Your posting message only comes out around 5 days before your COS date- which obviously doesn't give you enough time to get anything done.

What you could do is have your current BOR email your gaining unit and ask them to ask your gaining unit (their BOR will know who to ask) to change your report date 29 days to the right.

This means that your reg force date is the 6th of Feb (or whatever) but you don't need to report to your unit until 29 days from that date if it's approved.
-In the mean time you would report to your reserve unit during the week. They may put you to work or they may send you home. Your COS date won't change so you'll still be paid starting that day.

I'm not sure what you mean by sign the dotted line?   If the regular force made an offer and you accepted then that's you accepting the contract, isn't it?

You can still have your BOR email your gaining units BOR and request that they email the CO and request that you go on IR.
Brooksfield needs to know if you'll be on IR or not.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PMedMoe on January 14, 2012, 16:51:46
You can still have your BOR email your gaining units BOR and request that they email the CO and request that you go on IR.
Brooksfield needs to know if you'll be on IR or not.

My mistake, not the CO, the Commander is the approving authority (whether Area, Base, whatever) and not via email.  Most places have a form that must be filled out and they may or may not require a memo.

For example, I'm in Toronto; my request went to the ASU Commander, through my CO (of the losing unit).
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Fdtrucker on January 15, 2012, 11:58:57
From CBI 209.997 IR will be only approved for the following:

a.   domestic disruption – uprooting the family outside the active posting season;

b.   educational disruption – moving dependant children during an academic year or a period of educational instruction;

c.   financial disruption – the requirement to break a lease, inability to sell or rent a home or disruption of employment of a spouse or common-law partner;

d.   medical or dental complications – interference with specialized medical or dental treatment for dependants;

e.   complications due to courses – the member is posted on a course;

f.   insufficient posting notice – less than 90 days notice of a posting; and

g.   approach of Compulsory Retirement Age (CRA) – the member is within two years of CRA.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PMedMoe on January 15, 2012, 12:05:33
Well, I guess mine would have fallen under f.  I notice there's no "service spouse not posted" option.   ::)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: emanthal on January 17, 2012, 12:45:00
Well I 'm covered on the requirements front.  I got a,b,c and f.   :nod:
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: dapaterson on January 17, 2012, 12:59:08
Well, I guess mine would have fallen under f.  I notice there's no "service spouse not posted" option.   ::)

As I recall, properly speaking, service spouses separated due to service requirements aren't considered to be on IR, but are entiteld to Separation Expense and related benefits.


However, since everyone uses IR and SE interchangably it's no surprise that there is confusion.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PMedMoe on January 17, 2012, 13:02:27
As I recall, properly speaking, service spouses separated due to service requirements aren't considered to be on IR, but are entiteld to Separation Expense and related benefits.


However, since everyone uses IR and SE interchangably it's no surprise that there is confusion.

Yes, you're right but tell that to the CM (or almost anyone else).  I had to request IR and had to fill out an IR form.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.    ;)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eaglelord17 on January 20, 2012, 14:03:25
Thanks everyone for the imput. If I don't get in by the start of the next school year i'll just do a 5th year of highschool well trying to get as many courses as possible to help my application. Now for the waiting game...   ;D
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: bk066 on February 03, 2012, 14:42:31
Hi  :)
I'm a naval reservist in Toronto (00166 MUSN) and I was enrolled in June 2011
and completed my BMQ during the 2011 summer.
I'm 19, a highschool graduate with gr 12 average 91% and currently attending university studying International Relations.
I've basically fell in love with the military after BMQ experience and my hopeful plan is this:

Finish my QL3, QL4, National Band Naval Reserve during the entire summer of 2012 (will be promoted to Leading Seaman).
Transfer as soon as it's possible to regular force (army preferred).
Serve as an NCM
After years of service, aim for UTPNCM to become an officer.
Serve for life.
(fingers crossed).


But first of all, I know that I have to start my CT-OT process as soon as possible because it takes a loooong time...
(I'm expecting a year or much more... With the security clearance and all....)

So, this Wednesday, I'm going to go in during admin night to:
request CT-OT to regular force
commence my security clearance lvl 2 or lvl 3.

The trades that I've been research a whole lot about and considering are:
Infantry soldier
Armoured soldier
Intelligence Operator (army)

I'm leaning more towards INT-OP vs ARMOURED.
The reason being that infantry already has more than enough
and I know that there are tons of experienced PRes Infanteers that has been waiting for years for component transfer....


These are my concerned with the two targeted trades.

INT-OP
I know that being a ncm in the CF already doing CT makes me relatively a good pick(?)
but I'm concerned that spots opening in April 2012 are limited
and that there would be INT-OP applicants that already hold a university degree or college diploma.

I do have INT-OP's desired assets as I speak fluent Korean, English, and French (oral, reading, and writing).
I've experienced a lot of multiculturalism as I've traveled to Dominican Republic, Nicaragua, Hong Kong, Australia, Japan,
and live in Korea for 10 years of my youth.
My primary interest and skill lies in languages, international relations, different people and cultures all around the world.
Which is why I felt that INT-OP was a suitable for me.

Do I have a chance of being transferred to Intelligence Operator even though I'm just a high school graduate and have no experience as an intelligence operator in the naval reserves?

Another concern regarding INT-OP is that the required security clearance level is 3.
I've read in the forum that for that high level of clearance, the entire process could take up to 3 years... Is that true?
If the CT-OT will take more than 3 years... I would move on to find my luck in the armoured corps.




ARMOURED SOLDIER

After researching, I get a feeling that I might have a better chance of being offered a spot in armoured as opposed to INT-OP...
This for the reason that I am a fitness freak and I love to better myself in physical abilities.
Also, going through security clearance lvl 2 would take a shorter amount of time compared to INT-OP
which means that IF the door to armoured opens up at April 2012 and I have my component transfer through,
I may have a chance of being transferred to the Reg F before 2013, which is a marvelous news for me!
However, as this trade is of the combat arms (which seems to attract men looking for job immensely),
I know that it is very competitive and in similar situation as the infantry.
Does anyone know how Armoured is doing with the preferred manning level vs recruitment? Will it open up in April 2012? Or will I most likely be waiting for April 2013?...



Cheers,
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on February 03, 2012, 18:15:58
You would be best advised to look at the topics we have already set up on Component Transfers from the Reserve to Regular Force.  A quick look at this site and you will find all those topics.

A quick answer to one of your questions:  you are not going to be able to do a CT and OT to Int Op.  The Int Branch is only giving CTs to trained Int Ops, preferably those with Tours.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: SevenSixTwo on February 03, 2012, 23:56:26
Do crewman for 3 years and then if you still want to go Int Op then go for it.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: bk066 on February 04, 2012, 04:19:26
Thank you. I will apply for Crewman.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: darkskye on February 05, 2012, 00:10:57
Promoted to LS in less then 3-4 years?

I thought 2 and a half years for AB and then after having all your qualifications and even more time in then you'll get promoted to LS?


Finish my QL3, QL4, National Band Naval Reserve during the entire summer of 2012 (will be promoted to Leading Seaman).
Transfer as soon as it's possible to regular force (army preferred).
Serve as an NCM
After years of service, aim for UTPNCM to become an officer.
Serve for life.
(fingers crossed).
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: bk066 on February 05, 2012, 00:22:15
Promoted to LS in less then 3-4 years?

I thought 2 and a half years for AB and then after having all your qualifications and even more time in then you'll get promoted to LS?


negative. Musicians in reserves rank up really quick.
QL3, QL 4, and NBNR.
I will be promoted to LS during NBNR
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: MikeL on February 09, 2012, 16:57:18
Everyone in the Reserves can get to Cpl/LS quickly, not just Musicians.

3-4 years(plus any req courses/quals) to Cpl/LS is the usual time needed in the Regular Force
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: bk066 on February 09, 2012, 21:16:56
I just got confirmation of transfer process to Comm Rsch in Reg F.
Will be doing my interview soon. Though I don't know that much about signalling, electronics, and computers,
I'm going to try my best to show them that I'm willing to learn everything they throw at me.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: MikeL on February 11, 2012, 09:59:29
I thought you wanted Infantry, then Combat Arms in general, then Armour or Int Op, now you want Comm Research?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: aesop081 on February 11, 2012, 10:08:46
I thought you wanted Infantry, then Combat Arms in general, then Armour or Int Op, now you want Comm Research?

Just another guy grasping at whatever is open on that day. I bet i know how it works out.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: bk066 on February 11, 2012, 19:38:49
well the whole thing is due to my colour vision (i'm CV3) which totally limited my choice of trades
and when I found out about my colour vision I began to look into ALL trades that accepted CV3 and there weren't many.
After reading a lot about each of those trades, the one that stood out the most (and the one I got the most positive feedback on from
unit people and supervisors) was comm rsch.
And since they're open and needing people at Pte level, I figured it would be an awesome job
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: MikeL on February 11, 2012, 21:51:54
Hopefully you did some research into what the trade does and are happy with it, going from wanting Combat Arms then deciding on Comm Research.. well the jobs are quite different.  If possible,  you might want to look into applying for your security clearance, I believe Comm Research requires Secret(Lvl 2) or Top Secret (Lvl 3).  From reading posts on the site, it seems a lot of people get stuck waiting for their security clearance to come through, and with out that they can't attend Part 2 of their QL3.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on February 11, 2012, 22:14:53
Lev III (TS) with 2 more compartmented ones, and thats to be able to do the QL3 Pt II as well.  If you can't get the required clearance, you'll be looking at a Reassignment as you can't even complete QL3.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: reverse_eng on February 12, 2012, 14:08:06
Lev III (TS) with 2 more compartmented ones, and thats to be able to do the QL3 Pt II as well.  If you can't get the required clearance, you'll be looking at a Reassignment as you can't even complete QL3.

Correct, you need Lvl III Special Access (SA)

99.9% chance he will not have a problem getting cleared in the end, it's just a matter of time.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on February 12, 2012, 14:52:51
Correct, you need Lvl III Special Access (SA)

I know I'm correct, otherwise I wouldn't post it without saying "as far as I know" or words to that effect.

And its actually Lev III SA/TK.  Thats why I said 2 compartmented ones.

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99.9% chance he will not have a problem getting cleared in the end, it's just a matter of time.

Well, its a few hoops to jump thru with more than one organization.  Not sure how they do it for CTs, but if I were the OP, I'd be asking my unit to start my Lev III and if they don't, I'd be asking the CFRC about it.  Its a trade pre-req afterall.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: RobOfstie on February 23, 2012, 18:31:23
Well its been just about a year since I posted on this thread, and submitted my application for a CT/OT from PRes to Reg Force.  Transferring from MOSID 00008 (ARTY) to 00183 (PLT).  Figured I would post a quick update. 

I initially applied for CEOTP (currently a serving NCM).  I have no idea if it will be open this fiscal year but I guess I will find out.  I finally heard back this week with my message.  My PERS file is being to be sent from my unit to the CFRC and I will be going in for an interview shortly thereafter.  I was told they couldn't add my civilian flying licenses to my MPRR (I'm almost sure they CAN), but was told to bring them along with logbooks into my interview.  I'm pretty excited something is FINALLY happening, although it sounds like even after the interview there could be a long wait ahead before the selection boards sit and make a decision.   Still excited nonetheless.  I'll post anymore updates as they transpire.    :)         
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: brandon_ on February 23, 2012, 18:56:51
A good friend of mine is moving on to his CT interview from Reserve Infantry to Pilot, So it looks like he's getting somewhere finally.

Now if anyone is also trying to switch to RegForce Infantry from Reserve, we've still got a long wait ahead, I put my CT in in October 2010, and as of last week, have got nowhere still, in for the long haul still gentlemen.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Canoe2Boot on February 24, 2012, 10:30:34
RobOfstie: It's good to see I am not the only one!

I've got my CT/OT in to transfer from PRes Cmbt Eng to Reg Pilot. I got an e-mail last Friday from D Mil C saying that they were starting to process my application, and I got a call from my local CFRC on Tuesday. My interview is booked for this coming Monday. From what I understand I am going through the SCP because I already have a degree and am finishing my second one. Let me know how things work out for you.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: RobOfstie on February 24, 2012, 11:04:36
Canoe2Boot,

Right on, I will definitely keep you updated.  Having that all important degree is definitely a good thing, I wish I was finished mine but have a ways to go on in yet!  What is your first degree in?  I'm hoping my Commercial Heli License and PPL (Aeroplane) put me on the short pile of applicants but who knows.  I'm sure there's no shortage of competitive candidates.  Let me know how your interview goes as I haven't booked mine just yet, waiting on the Unit to send my PERS file out.   Good Luck!

Rob
   
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Canoe2Boot on February 24, 2012, 11:21:54
Competitive is an understatement for this trade. Check your messages.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: brandon_ on March 05, 2012, 19:40:38
I was just told as of this morning, from my company clerk, that within 2 weeks time I will recieve my offer for REGFORCE Infantry from (reserve INF)  and if I accept I could be in Wainwright by 1 april.   So I guess its my lucky day, but if theres one thing i've learned, don't believe much in till ya see it..

cheers,
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: SevenSixTwo on March 06, 2012, 09:19:53
I was just told as of this morning, from my company clerk, that within 2 weeks time I will recieve my offer for REGFORCE Infantry from (reserve INF)  and if I accept I could be in Wainwright by 1 april.   So I guess its my lucky day, but if theres one thing i've learned, don't believe much in till ya see it..

cheers,

You poor poor soul.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: brandon_ on March 09, 2012, 01:10:15
sevensixtwo- accepted my offer into the regs, I feel the storys of rainbows, and fluffy clouds i was told to me slowly fading away, and beautiful cow crap smell of wainwright coming in...


I wanted to add, if anyone has first hand experience in CT or understands the system i'm a little curious if anyone can help me out here. I have asked my OR but they where not sure and told me they will contact CT broker for me.

        I have not recieved my first posting message yet, but I was told on my offer sheet ill be posted to watc wainwright and my offer was semi skilled, but It also said I will be able to keep the rank of CPL. on my CT..   This is what confuses me a bit, because it doesn't say I did not keep my DP1 Qual from the reserves, but it does say i'll be posted to WATC.  In my mind this makes sense I will be doing my DP1 over again (why else post me to WATC?) but would i stick out abit as a cpl on BIQ?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Journeyman on March 09, 2012, 01:51:41
In my mind this makes sense I will be doing my DP1 over again (why else post me to WATC?) but would i stick out abit as a cpl on BIQ?
There's lots of employment for Cpls at WATC. You may support courses; you may get some courses (like Driver Wheeled or something) while waiting for whatever training they may have in mind for you; you may be given the opportunity for extra PT while awaiting a sniper or parachute course. ;)

If you end up doing DP1 again, I assure you that (as odd as it sounds) everyone.....and no one.....sticks out on BIQ. The instructors will know each and every one of you, but it won't matter; you'll be treated just the same. And at the end of the day, that's your bread & butter as an Infantryman; would it hurt you to do a refresher?




OK, physically, it may hurt you a bit   ;D
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: brandon_ on March 09, 2012, 02:46:54
Refresher wouldnt hurt at all, thanks for clearing up.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: AgentSmith on March 09, 2012, 10:48:12
I had my interview for MP and it went well. Now I get to sit back and play the waiting game. I was told I have a chance at the MPAC which is good news. Though I didn't know this but apparently you can apply for as many trades as you want when doing a CT. So I'm going in to the CFRC on Tuesday and talking with them. Right now I also want to apply for Ammo Tech and Traffic Tech (though right now I'm leaning more towards Traffic Tech). If I get an offer in one of those jobs before MP, I'll take it. MP would be nice but it's not the be all end all for me.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PJGary on March 09, 2012, 12:46:09
Brandon,

Three people in my unit got the exact same message this week, keeping their Cpl.'s but being posted to WATC or Meaford. I am interested if anyone could tell me if this is a new thing for reserve infantry guys to have to re-do battleschool yet keep their rank, as I seem to remember hearing it used to be the opposite (drop rank, keep training).

As far as doing QL3 as a Cpl., it's pretty common, usually for people who are re-badging.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Hatchet Man on March 11, 2012, 22:47:21
Brandon,

Three people in my unit got the exact same message this week, keeping their Cpl.'s but being posted to WATC or Meaford. I am interested if anyone could tell me if this is a new thing for reserve infantry guys to have to re-do battleschool yet keep their rank, as I seem to remember hearing it used to be the opposite (drop rank, keep training).

As far as doing QL3 as a Cpl., it's pretty common, usually for people who are re-badging.

It would probably have something to do with how long they have been a Cpl, and when they did their course.  Seeing as how the PRes gets people to Cpl in 2 years in alot of cases, I am not surprised by this.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on March 13, 2012, 14:55:44
sevensixtwo- accepted my offer into the regs, I feel the storys of rainbows, and fluffy clouds i was told to me slowly fading away, and beautiful cow crap smell of wainwright coming in...


I wanted to add, if anyone has first hand experience in CT or understands the system i'm a little curious if anyone can help me out here. I have asked my OR but they where not sure and told me they will contact CT broker for me.

        I have not recieved my first posting message yet, but I was told on my offer sheet ill be posted to watc wainwright and my offer was semi skilled, but It also said I will be able to keep the rank of CPL. on my CT..   This is what confuses me a bit, because it doesn't say I did not keep my DP1 Qual from the reserves, but it does say i'll be posted to WATC.  In my mind this makes sense I will be doing my DP1 over again (why else post me to WATC?) but would i stick out abit as a cpl on BIQ?

You are waiting for your ETP Instruction then (Enrolment or Transfer Posting).  Few things to consider here:  (I'll paraphase from the appic ref, you can get them off the DIN if you desire)

1.  Direction given in the BTAGs v5.15 (Basic Trg List Admin Guide).    Para 315 - Wherever appropriate, BTL members are to be pre-positioned at their first unit of employment by their respective TA/DTA BTL Manager, while awaiting further occupation training.  Generally, this will be done in the following situations: (b) where the mbr is considered employable, skilled or sufficiently semi-skilled entrant; (f)  CT in like occupations

2.  LFCO 24-20, Prior Learning Assessment (PLA) For Equivalencies and Qualification Reinstatement  which is the document that governs equivalencies for CTs.  DAT (part of LFDTS) is the org that approves this for the Army.  By now you should have or will get your CT offer message, and that should have said what training bypass you have been granted.  DAT will look at the courses you have taken (how many changes to Inf DP1 trg has there been in recent years, and how many versions of QL3/BIQ/etc have happened in that time with different MITE and Qual codes?) and determine if the trg you have meets the standard for a bypass of Reg Frce trg.

What trg bypass did you get on your CT offer?  BTW, I believe (someone can correct me if i am wrong) that ALL PLA (Prior Learning Assessments) for Army Managed MOC CT has to be approved at DAT, so your PLA on CT from PRes - Reg Force Infmn happened as a default part of the process in your CT application and processing.

So, CT offer should have listed what trg equiv you are being granted, as determined by DAT, you would have accepted that CT offer, and now your ETP Instr will follow.

Make sense?

However, you could request confirmation on what trg bypass you've been given if the CT Offer msg was unclear via CofC.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: AgentSmith on March 14, 2012, 17:13:57
I just put in another CT/OT, this time for Traffic Tech.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: AgentSmith on March 19, 2012, 22:35:48
The day after I put my CT/OT in I got an email back saying that my unit needs to send in some paperwork so an interview can be booked. This is happening a lot faster then it did with MP, it took me several months to hear back with that trade. So now I'm just waiting to hear back from the CFRC. 
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Wilco on March 20, 2012, 05:44:44
If youre attending university, you might as well enroll in ROTP, and either complete your schooling civie side, or try and get into RMC. From what Ive heard theres more demand for armour officers than ncm's currently. Thats what I'd do in your position  :)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: brandon_ on March 28, 2012, 16:23:56
Just to follow up with everyone, and thanks for the replys, helped out..... I was given equivlency for everything i've done so far in the reserves, kept rank, and will be badged a patrica at some point soon. I was not given any notice of a battalion I may go to as of yet, but I have been told it's not unlikley for guys to go to wainwright for a while before getting placed in a battalion, and my posting message says i'll be posted to WATC Wainwright, so it's going to be a good ride.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Willy00005 on March 28, 2012, 17:07:22
Hi guys, I'm just checking if anyone has heard about any openings in MSE op in April. I put in for a transfer and am just waiting out. also do I need to switch to  AF if I'm already armoured or can I choose to stay Army?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: aesop081 on March 28, 2012, 17:10:19
also do I need to switch to  AF if I'm already armoured or can I choose to stay Army?

Why would you have to switch to AF ?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: dapaterson on March 28, 2012, 17:16:26
If you are selected for CT to the Reg F as an MSE Op you will likely be able to specify a preference for Army or Air Force DEU.  That, in turn, may influence your future postings, or you could be in a green uniform spending 20 years at Cold Lake, or a blue uniform spending 15 years in Valcartier.

Worry less about DEU colour than about ensuring your MPRR is up to date and about acquiring addtional qualifications that will make your application stand out.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Willy00005 on March 28, 2012, 17:29:20
roger. and id prefer army, also driver wheel and driver taskings are a good idea to focus on i'm assuming
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Papaselo on April 05, 2012, 15:17:54
Hey guys and gals, this is my very first post ever on here. So, my question is I've been waiting for a CT to the regular force as an MP and only to be told about 3 days ago that they only have 2 positions available for this year for CT and there are a few candidates ahead of me that had scored higher than me on the MPAC. I am so frustrated because they had 5 positions last year and the Mpac before me got those and this year they only got 2. I dunno if I should get into the Reg Force and try to do an OT to MP as a lot of folks have said that this would be your best bet, and its easier that way, or should I wait another year and see if I MIGHT get accepted? I don't want to be wasting time by just doing any civi job. Also, there is a lot of hear say about the MPAC as in its only valid for 2 years and some say 3 years and some say its good for life? I don't mind going back on the MPAC after 2 years, but, its just frustrating. I just want to be a police officer in general, I don't care if its with the Military Police as a CPL or with a Civi service as a constable. I don't have my application in with another police service because I've been with the military 7 years as a reserve and really like it here. But, now, I think I am going to start my process with a Civilian Police service, as a lot of people seem to be going this route anyways. Please, if someone can shed some light over here and give me a word of advice, it would be really appreciated. Thank you very much for reading this post and for understanding my frustrations.  :cdn: :cdn: :cdn: :cdn: :cdn: :salute: :salute: :salute: :salute:
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: rsn48 on April 05, 2012, 17:57:11
I hate to pee on your parade but the reality is that to get into the MP's and MPO's is going to be tough for the next few years, no matter how you try it.  Its a popular choice with civilians and CF personnel alike and because of reductions in spending and reduction in personnel, it will continue to be desirable and tough to get into; if you have followed the availability of spaces for MP's and MPO's you will discover it is way down, way way down.

I really don't want to give you this recommendation but if I were you, I'd seriously look at civilian police forces.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Papaselo on April 05, 2012, 18:51:15
Thanks for the update RSN48. I am not having my hopes up too much, but you never know what can happen right. As of right now they (MPS) are not even accepting Civi's off the street. Yes, I think they are cutting back a lot of positions within the CF in general. I have my ATS booked for next month for the civilian police service as I cannot wait any longer. I'll see, if the CF picks me up that's my luck, if not, oh well, life goes on right.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: garb811 on April 07, 2012, 13:42:53
Thanks for the update RSN48. I am not having my hopes up too much, but you never know what can happen right. As of right now they (MPS) are not even accepting Civi's off the street. Yes, I think they are cutting back a lot of positions within the CF in general. I have my ATS booked for next month for the civilian police service as I cannot wait any longer. I'll see, if the CF picks me up that's my luck, if not, oh well, life goes on right.
We are still taking civilian applicants; however it is those who were already in application process.  For the first time in recent memory we are "green" in that we are above our PML and although recruiting will continue because we learned a thing or two from the late 90s, it will be at a much reduced rate compared to the last 5-10 years.  This is not a result of cutting positions but rather due to the fact that our attrition has slowed compared to what it had been.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: C.G.R on April 17, 2012, 00:04:16
I don't think that joining the reg force in x trade to transfer to MP is any quicker of an option. It may just cause you to end up in a miserable position. I am still awaiting my transfer and know many people who have been waiting longer.

Unfortunately, policing is one of the more difficult careers to get into, but if it is what you want to do it, don't give up.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Papaselo on April 18, 2012, 21:24:07
Thanks for the update C.G.R. However, this is the only career I want and I am not going to stop for anything or anyone. So, how long have you been waiting for, if you don't mind me asking? I've been waiting for about almost 8-9 months. I did score pretty well on the mpac as I was told I did. Now, the reason I want to join just not any trade but, of course my second choice is because I am 27 turning 28, I can't keep doing the reserve thing. So let's see. Hopefully I get in, if not that keep trying.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: C.G.R on April 19, 2012, 00:49:14
I've been waiting about 5-6 months,
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Delaney1986 on April 19, 2012, 09:36:39
I didn't see anyone answer the original question about how long the MPAC assessments are valid. I too am curious about that. Do you ever have to redo MPAC once completed?

Thanks!!

And good luck to the original poster!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: steve543 on May 09, 2012, 22:44:13
Hello everyone,

I currently have a CT from Reserve Infantry to Reg Force Infantry. As of late April i heard that there were available Infantry positions, but was not told when they would be hired.
If anyone (more specifically recruiters) knows of any information about when hiring will take place or news it would be much appreciated. I am located in 31 CBG if it makes any difference.

Thanks in Advance,
Steve
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Hatchet Man on May 09, 2012, 23:06:26
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If anyone (more specifically recruiters) knows of any information about when hiring will take place

The only thing recruiting gets involved with are CT/OTs, and then only for CFAT rewrite and occupation interviews.  Selections for ALL CT are handled by the CT cell at NDHQ.  This has been mentioned SEVERAL times in VARIOUS threads......yup just check search button is still around and functioning.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: BCQC on May 27, 2012, 18:46:46
Hey folks,

I made the decision a little while ago to do a component transfer from the reserves to the regs, and was recently at my BOR sorting out some admin and asked the chief clerk about the process. She told me it was an online form right to the career manager in Ottawa and that she'd send me a link to the form later on. That was several days ago, and I've since tried to find it online, as well as on these forums, and the only luck I had was to a dead link on the recruiting website.

Since I know how busy clerks can be, especially this time of year, and since I don't want to be a bother unless I have to be, I was hoping someone on here could provide me with a link to the form.

Much appreciated

EDIT: Received the email today. No need for anyone to dig it up. Thanks!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: justmyalias on June 18, 2012, 15:34:24
Hello there,

I have two question:

1-I was just told that you cannot have an officer and ncm trade on ones file.

I originally (end of last yr) did just that and it wasn't mentioned as being an issue.  I'm curious about the 'same file' part.  Is that semantics, and can they not just make two files-if this is indeed valid?  Or is this just a mistake on someones part and this is fine to do?  I'd hate to remove either unnecessarily & lose any place in the queue.  Seems like such a foreign concept to restrict ones choices on what to do in the military.

2-
For Res->Reg
Where can I find a list of trades that are currently open and in demand?  Is there a link or website I can refer to get this info?  The forces website doesn't have this info for Res OT/CT's.  Civilians can get all this exact info from the CFRC & Reg's can get this info from the BPSO., but where is a reservist to get this info from?

Help!!! :)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on June 18, 2012, 15:36:50
Reg's can get this info from the BPSO., but where is a reservist to get this info from?

The exact same place as the RegF gets it. Call your supporting base PSO and ask if they have the list handy.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: justmyalias on June 18, 2012, 16:13:52
The exact same place as the RegF gets it. Call your supporting base PSO and ask if they have the list handy.
*cringes*....In Pet the BPSO's office informed me they do not have that info.

I'm in Ottawa now.  Where can I find the PSO's office? I'll give them a shot since you are so intriguingly confident they should.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on June 19, 2012, 00:15:05
Switchboard can put you through. They should at least have some info, or can tell you whether a trade you're looking to transfer into is understrength or not.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: justmyalias on June 19, 2012, 01:20:05
Switchboard can put you through. They should at least have some info, or can tell you whether a trade you're looking to transfer into is understrength or not.
I found it through a friend.  222 Queen?  I'm there tomorrow.  I don't even know what switchboard is in Ottawa.  Still new.

Hmmm...so you're.....NOT certain about your post then?  Sounds like you were just expecting them to have it, but as I've indicated are realizing they...don't?  The sad part is that I ASKED D Mil C, and they seem to refuse to share that info.  Not sure why???

As the BPSO in Pet indicated, they can definately share that info that pertains to REG-REG OT's, but it could potentially be entirely different from the rules set for res-reg OT/CT's so it would be a shame to give incorrect info (potentially)., hence why they say they "Don't have that info".

One would think this kind of info should be easy to acquire.  Maybe the army WANTS an enquiring reservist to ask these otherwise easily answerable repetitive questions (through a quick reference place) to generate work for D Mil C??  Call me crazy, but if a reservist who's pressed for full-time work, can easily determine-just like civilians can by looking at the forces website-which trades are in demand, and can make a decision quickly and stick to it, it would cut down on administrative BS that occurs as a result of this concealment of information!???

Help Please!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on June 19, 2012, 03:08:35
If you're trying to CT/OT, you're just another number in the recruiting system. To them, you look like an off the street candidate that gets a Recruit School bypass. If you want indemand trades, look on the Forces.ca website. Then be prepared to stand in line. The CF doesn't owe you a RegF job, they just have certain places set aside to hire from within the PRes because it saves them time on at least recruit training.

There's a DWAN-only link from the D Mil C site that shows the PML numbers from every trade (unfortunately I don't have my bookmarks in theatre). If you're really desperate, bash your way through the DWAN search engine.

What admin BS are you talking about? As I said, if you're CT/OTing, the only thing the CF gets out of you in the recruit school bypass. Heck, you said you're new, so if you don't have enough time in you could end up in BMQ anyways. The CT process can take over a year, sometimes 2. You're not gonna get a job next week because you're a reservist. Anyways, its summer time. Need cash? I'm sure there's summer employment out there doing GD work.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: M2A on June 19, 2012, 11:37:01
Quote
Anyways, its summer time. Need cash? I'm sure there's summer employment out there doing GD work.

I've checked with my unit in Southern Ontario and no joy, no GD's and the courses I wanted (PLQ or Hvy eqpt) was not offered or given seats for our unit.

As for the frustration in CT'ing, I'd advise to look a little further out in your career. While you're waiting for the CT to go through, get some civilian part-time work and advance your PRes career. Volunteer for every tasking the reserve unit has and merit for your PLQ, 6A's etc while you wait. I know the process may be quite long, but don't let it hold up your career - better to be that troop that helps out on every tasking, qualified for the rank of (reserve) Sgt than sit as a Cpl for possibly two years.

My two cents.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: justmyalias on June 19, 2012, 15:46:13
Results of running around today.

@ PuckChaser.., so the next time you can be more informed on what info the BPSO has to offer.
Went to the Ottawa BPSO.  Was informed that they do not handle Res-Reg CT's.  Was referred to...
Res PSO, which handles remusters & releases within the reserve ONLY.  They understandly (but this time sympathetically) explained that they don't have that info either.  They were equally puzzled why I was referred to them when they obviously don't handle res-reg CT's.

It seems the process is content to leave this info concealed & rather than make it similar to how a civilian or a Reg force mbr would face it, make it awfully unique (and clouded) for a reservist.

"DWAN-only link from the D Mil C site" I will look for this-Thank you., although not sure what info it'd yield unless it includes the current numbers for each trade?  PML is preferred manning level?  So if trade x has a pml of 1000.  Unless the link indicates that currently it is at 900, what good would it do?  I'd hate to assume that you meant to say it does in fact include that.  But if so, awesome! as that would be EXACTLY what I'm after, and curious why you wouldn't have just shared that to begin with :).

admin BS.  I ask a question.  I get half a reply after four weeks.  I send a following reply indicating that the question wasn't actually answered.  THAT reply takes a month.  Yesterday I asked one question (after four months of patience and no correspondence), I got the same half reply.  When I reiterated it (in hopes of the person recognizing that they hadn't answered the question), there was no reply to be had.  I'm still waiting for a reply.  It feels like I'm asking for the access codes to Fort Nox, and I'm about to be arrested.  A department that's supposed to accomodate a mbr through a process that takes years, should be more customer service oriented I feel.  Is it wrong that I'm borderline feeling harassed by the way they are mistreating me?

+you're just another number
+CF doesn't owe you
+the only thing the CF gets out of you
+not gonna get a job next week because you're a reservist (How do you know I'm not starting a new Class B today?  Not sure why you're so presumptious)
Diplomacy isn't a strong suit eh?

I said I was new to Ottawa., not the forces.

If anybody can help wrt the other question about choosing an Officer & NCM trade concurrently I would appreciate that.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on June 19, 2012, 17:02:46
Harassed?   :facepalm:   Wait.  You were joking...I thought you were serious for a second!  (I suggest you speak to your unit HA *BEFORE* going any further down the road crying 'harassment', so that pers can educate you.  Apparantly you've not been around the Forces enough.)

D Mil C is the Org that handles CTs and CT/OTs.

Go to a DIN/DWAN PC and search for In Service Selection.  The info you will get there is the *gasp* SAME info as everyone else in the CF can access.

 ::)

Additionally, PML and TES #s, while nice to know are NOT the end all, be all of the CT process.  You are looking for something called the SIP.  As you say you've been around the Forces enough to know so much, you'll be able to find that in the Production documents, right?  That will indicate *possible* #s of UT/T CTs that are being looked at, planned, what have you.

Oh ya, I'll echo what someone else said about a CT "not being an entitlement".  Put your GD application in, and wait...just like everyone else is/does/did.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: justmyalias on June 20, 2012, 16:26:26
Harassed?   :facepalm:   Wait.  You were joking......
Thanks for the in-servive info.

Regarding your comment here.  Harassment has a very clear definition.  I'm sure you are well aware that simply because YOU feel something is not harassment-doesn't mean it isn't.  Last time I checked., it isn't your opinion that determines the validity of a harassment claim, but the opinion of the person who has felt harassed, and of course the result of some investigation by the advisors.  Perhaps it wasn't intended as it was received (by me), but I don't appreciate you (EyeITS & PuckChaser) demeaning any of my comments or observations.  You are welcome to provide your own perspective, and I would hope, do so in a positive and constructive manner-in fact that is precisely why I'm posting here.

It's unfortunate, I am always puzzled however - why this forum of many that I frequent is among the worst for people to quickly assume the worst of people.  There are several who are impressively helpful, just seems like the others are the loudest.  I will aspire to hope to meet more of the former :).

Additionally, PML and TES #s, while nice to know are NOT the end all, be all of the CT process.  You are looking for something called the SIP.  As you say you've been around the Forces enough to know so much, you'll be able to find that in the Production documents, right?  That will indicate *possible* #s of UT/T CTs that are being looked at, planned, what have you.
What is a TES, and SIP?

Again assuming.  Sigh....why are you assuming?  Just because someone has been in for a few years doesn't mean they are an expert on everything. I don't know what a 'production document' is, so if you could explain that would be appreciated.  As you've said it, not be all end all., but nice to know-hence....surprise surprise, I would like to know.  I've read people discussing these in past here, so I thought it was easy to pull up.

What is a UT?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on June 20, 2012, 22:00:50
Production Documents are where (the last time I looked) the SIP (Strategic Intake Plan, aka "# of ppl potentially being hired) is located. 

CT U = Component Transfer, Untrained
CT T = Component Transfer, Trained.

TES = Trained Effective Strength.  Thats how many people are (or are forecast to be) at OFP (Operationally Functional Point, aka trained to the level of usefulness) in a trade.  The PML (Preferred Manning Level) is the # of ppl in a trade the CF would like to have at OFP.  Well, thats the Coles Notes version atleast.

Search the DIN and its all there...you just gotta dig alittle.  I did, thats how I found it all.

Again, before you wander down the harassment road, talk to your unit HA or any qualified WRA/HA.  Serious advice.  I won't begin to list the, IMO, flaws in that thinking and its the job of an appointed WRA/HA.

Last thought...don't be scared to search the DIN.  None of this GSK was handed to me, I built it up over the years and managed to keep a decent Bookmark file to refer back to when needed.  Self sufficiency, when possible, is a good thing.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on June 21, 2012, 00:21:58
Is it wrong that I'm borderline feeling harassed by the way they are mistreating me?

Wow... please go to your HA/WRA and say you're being harassed because your CT/OT isn't being processed and your questions answered RIGHT NOW.

Its obvious you want everything spoonfed to you, and that you feel entitled to your entitlements, so go ahead and help yourself. If you think your process is taking a while, go check out the recruiting forum here and see how long people have been waiting to just get merit listed, let alone get a job offer.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: justmyalias on June 26, 2012, 13:40:31
Production Documents are where (the last time I looked) the SIP (Strategic Intake Plan, aka "# of ppl potentially being hired) is located. 

CT U = Component Transfer, Untrained
CT T = Component Transfer, Trained.

TES = Trained Effective Strength.  Thats how many people are (or are forecast to be) at OFP (Operationally Functional Point, aka trained to the level of usefulness) in a trade.  The PML (Preferred Manning Level) is the # of ppl in a trade the CF would like to have at OFP.  Well, thats the Coles Notes version atleast.

Search the DIN and its all there...you just gotta dig alittle.  I did, thats how I found it all.

Again, before you wander down the harassment road, talk to your unit HA or any qualified WRA/HA.  Serious advice.  I won't begin to list the, IMO, flaws in that thinking and its the job of an appointed WRA/HA.

Last thought...don't be scared to search the DIN.  None of this GSK was handed to me, I built it up over the years and managed to keep a decent Bookmark file to refer back to when needed.  Self sufficiency, when possible, is a good thing.
:salute: :salute: :salute: :salute: :salute:
Thank you so much for the info.  I actually asked a buddy who knows this stuff like I know cellphones inside and out., he gave me the same info, minus CTU & CTT.  Also he said that a production tells you all the info wrt trade uptakes, highlighting the respective SIP and TES #s?

Between you and me, I'm nowhere near any harassment suits as I'm stubborn, but if push comes to shove, and I have absolutley nothing to lose, I would be footnoting the experience for others to review.  It is poor to say the least.

You are right, the DIN is sadly daunting for a beginner.  You'd think someone who knows how to use the web quite efficiently could carry-over the skills into DIN searching., but I haven't been able to overcome that trepidation yet.  Sadly, I am stuck between the web, and this forum-which wouldn't be bad if there weren't more people like you helping others out, and less of *cough* others who....don't.

Thanks again for your info.

___________________________________________
Can someone comment on the second part of my enquiry?

Can you select an NCO & NCM trade when doing a CT/OT?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on June 26, 2012, 13:46:05
Can you select an NCO & NCM trade when doing a CT/OT?


How long have you been in the CF?  You do know what a NCO and NCM are, right?

When doing a CT, you can change Trades, if that is what you are asking.  To do so does hold different ramifications though.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: aesop081 on June 26, 2012, 13:50:38
After you are done figuring out what NCM and NCO are, go read policy on what constitutes harassment.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: justmyalias on June 26, 2012, 13:52:01
Sorry, I never write it like that and was just pleasantly enamoured by Eye in the Sky's post :).

Officer and NCM.  forgive me.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: justmyalias on June 26, 2012, 13:55:33
...
When doing a CT, you can change Trades, if that is what you are asking.
ok, Let me rephrase.

I want to select Log O & Weapons Tech, let's say.  When I did so last year, nobody mentioned anything.  When I finally gave up waiting (5months) and emailed for an update, instead of any info, someone mentioned why I had selected those two, when it wasn't permitted.  That I could only select NCM or Officer trades, not BOTH at the same time.

Does this jive?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on June 26, 2012, 14:09:36
Take a read of the info at the links in the PM I sent you, specifically the CT Pres --> Reg Force.  At the very top, don't neglect to click on the Work Flow button, it will show you the flowcharted process.
At the bottom, there is a link to CF MIL PERS INSTR 03/09 - CF CT and CT Career Programs. 

The info found at links should answer your questions and if not, then I'd suggest you or someone from your CofC will have to ask the questions to the OPI (D Mil C 7-5), for official answers.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on June 26, 2012, 14:41:52
Went to the Ottawa BPSO.  Was informed that they do not handle Res-Reg CT's.  Was referred to...
Res PSO, which handles remusters & releases within the reserve ONLY.  They understandly (but this time sympathetically) explained that they don't have that info either.  They were equally puzzled why I was referred to them when they obviously don't handle res-reg CT's.

For clarity for follow-on readers, D Mil C 7-5 is the org that handles PRes-RegF CTs.  PSOs, Reg or Res, do not handle PRes -- Reg Force CTs.

To get to DIN DGMC (Director General Military Careers) CT PRes-RegF page, go to the DIN search and type in Component Transfer Online Application Form.

It works, I just did it.  You can also search the DIN using Component Transfer  and get links to the Mil Pers Instr and DAODs that apply to CTs.

*Note - it appears that DAOD 5002-3 hasn't been updated with the current process being used at D Mil C (specifically, the DAOD states CTs shall be processed at CFRCs, vice the CT application going directly to D Mil C IAW the DGMC CT site info).  The DAOD was issued 2005-06-17, the DGMC CT page is current as of 2011-09-13.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: AshleyK on June 28, 2012, 00:17:41
I'm going to apply for a component transfer once I complete basic training this summer.
 I plan to switch from Army to Navy, Reserves to Regular force, and NCO to Officer through ROTP. I originally applied for ROTP right off the bat, but due to the large competition, wasn't selected. A kindly LT at my recruiting center advised me to join the reserves to get some experience and try again.
 I hope that I do make it into ROTP this year via component transfer. If that turns out to be so, would I do basic training again but at St. Jean? Or  would there be certain aspects I wouldn't be made to do over, and just do the officer-related training - leadership courses, etc?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on June 28, 2012, 04:00:18
The recruiter said gain some experience, not do basic training and then apply again. Doing a component transfer isn't easy street into a ROTP position, and you'll likely be doing basic all over again because you will have next to no time in the CF.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: M2A on June 28, 2012, 07:42:10
A kindly LT at my recruiting center advised me to join the reserves to get some experience and try again.


Sounds familiar...

The money question is: What year of university do you think you'll be in when you merit and are finally accepted into the program?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: AshleyK on June 30, 2012, 00:21:22
Quote
The recruiter said gain some experience, not do basic training and then apply again. Doing a component transfer isn't easy street into a ROTP position, and you'll likely be doing basic all over again because you will have next to no time in the CF.

By the time I do reapply for ROTP, I will have just over seven months in by then, including basic training and working Thursday nights at my local armory. Although I don't know if that would be considered long enough or not.



Sounds familiar...

The money question is: What year of university do you think you'll be in when you merit and are finally accepted into the program?

If things go well, I should be halfway through my second year (out of four) if I do get accepted.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: stretch on July 17, 2012, 13:35:14
Does anyone have the explanation of the ETP message? i.e. what para's 1a-6a mean?
I can pick out most information but when it states: F. 13 Dec 11   then I am not sure what to make of that date

Any outline or explanation of an ETP would be very helpful

Thanks
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on July 17, 2012, 16:37:30
Get your hands on a copy of the BTAGs v5.15 (Basic Trg List Admin Guide)....it breaks it down.  I'd fire you a link but am at home.  Should be able to get it on the DIN using the crappy search engine even.

ETP is Enrolment and Training Plan msg....outlines 'this is what you are now that you CTd, and this is where you are going for trg" more or less.

If no one replies back, fire me a PM and I'll shoot the format to you tomorrow first thing.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on July 18, 2012, 10:21:03
Correction to my last. 

ETP Instr stands for Enrolment Or Transfer And Posting Instruction.

Its referred to in the BTAGs, but is explained in:  Military Human Resources Record Procedures (MHRRP), Chapter 11, Annex B, Appendix 1 (57 page pdf doc.  57 pages?)

To find it on the awesome DIN search engine, I typed in ETP Instruction format.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DAA on July 18, 2012, 10:56:59
Does anyone have the explanation of the ETP message? i.e. what para's 1a-6a mean?

On the DIN, go to the CMP Website ( cmp-cpm.forces.mil.ca ), right side under Order and Directives, look at A-PM-245 and then have a look at Chap 11, Anx B, App 1.  It will explain everything.....
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: stretch on July 18, 2012, 13:29:29
my thanks to the both of you.  ;D
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Willy00005 on July 20, 2012, 09:45:42
So I emailed dmil c last night to check on a status after ten long months for MSE op. Apparently they have no positions for me this years so I guess I'm off on tasking's until April at least.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: MeatheadMick on August 31, 2012, 13:44:53
My younger brother is in the same predicament. He's had his CT into MP for over a year, and has not even gotten on an MPAC yet. As for our Attrition rates slowing down... perhaps across the board it's looking that way, but for the detachments around my area ( 1 MP Regt ) it seems we are always undermanned.  At the field platoon however, we seem to be at full strength, something that this area hasn't seen in years.

We have lost a quite a few qualified MP's over the last few years to civillian police forces however, and other bases I've visited on tasking or otherwise seem to be feeling it. The trade may be green, but since it is a trade with such a transferrable skill set, I can see that "green" status not lasting for long...  I could always be wrong though, especially with the defense budget cuts and an uncertain economy, people may be more inclined to sign on past the VIE.

As for my brother, he's currently switched his CT/OT over to MSE Op in the hopes of eventually transferring over to MP. He understands that he will probably at the minimum have to serve out his VIE as an MSE and realises that he may never even get the chance to OT again. Best hopes for him, and the rest of you trying to get in trade. Don't let it get you down, keep on persevering if this is the route you really want to go.

For those of you that want to do policing as a career, please take note that life as an MP can be exciting, rewarding and busy. Even on the "busy" bases though you probably will not see the call volume you would working as a civillian police officer. Of course, with us being MILITARY Police, you could also one day find yourself in a field pl, and sooner in your career than you could guess. When I transferred from Res Sig Op to Reg MP in 2010, I thought my days in combats driving around big green vehicles were over... I was incredibly wrong :)  Don't let that discourage you though, because as always the grass isn't always greener on the other side. Both the Mp side and the mP side have there PITA moments a long with some really "good go's".

From one member who CT'd to others out there, good luck!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: dh101 on November 15, 2012, 14:42:51
Hello,
          I submitted my CT back in September for 00238 GEO TECH. When I submitted my CT, our unit had not done the BFT / AFT (Annual Fitness Test) and I assume that this is the root of the problem. I did complete the BFT with my unit at the end of September. I got an automated response to my e-mail which stated that I have "been deemed ineligible" because I "do not meet the minimum Fitness Test standard". Now I'm assuming this is again because of the BFT as I had not done it for the year when I submitted the CT. That being said, the problem I'm face with right now is that I'm not sure where to go from here. I have completed the Fitness Test and I have a copy of the AFT/BFT paper as proof.

In the e-mail it said "Plse resubmit your application once this matter has been rectified to our generic mailbox at +D MIL C 7 CT@CMP DMCA@Ottawa-Hull."
The problem is, I have no idea what this means. I'm guessing that it has to do with having a DIN account, which as a reservist with only a year and a few months in, don't have. I've tried to call the recruiting centre for the last 3 or 4 weeks, but I have yet to even get through to a recruiter in general, let along the CT Coordinator. I've left over 5 messages over the past 3 or 4 weeks, and E-mailed the CT Coordinator, but have yet to receive a response, which is why I've come here.

If anyone has any idea where to go from here, or the process to rectify this, it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on November 15, 2012, 14:58:17
CFRCs have nothing to do with CTs.  D Mil C (Director Military Careers, part of CMP [Chief of Military Personnel] Org is responsible for all CTs PRes->Reg Force.

First question...you say you got an email stating "been deemed inelgible", etc.  What email address did that come from?

The "+D Mil C...." is the Display name for a Forces email account that D Mil C staff use.  It will also have a SMTP "XXX.XXX@forces.gc.ca" email address for it as well, that you can email from your civie email.

My suggestion is you go to your Unit Orderly Room and ask to see the Chief Clerk, or the Unit Trg WO/RSS WO, or whoever does this kind of stuff in your unit.  Have a printed copy of the email you received from them, a copy of the CT application, and a copy of your EXPRES test.  Of course, follow whatever SOPs exist  for your unit to see these ppl in your CofC.  If you call or drop in on a non-trg day, you should be able to go to the OR yourself.  If you do, on the next Trg night, make sure you let your immediate superior know what is going on.  If I was your Trg NCO, I'd likely call the Capt at D Mil C 7 - CT or send a quick email to ease getting the info input asap.  Thats me though.

Explain to them in plain, simple terms what the deal is, and ask them for assistance in getting this new information to D Mil C 7-CT. 

UFI...D Mil C 7 is a position indicator within D Mil C.  There is a Capt and some others who look after all CTs.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: dh101 on November 15, 2012, 15:00:53
"Ref: CF MIL PERS INSTR 03/08

PTE ******:

As per Para 3.1 of Ref, we are unable to accept your Component Transfer application at this time as your file has been deemed ineligible.  You do not meet the minimum Fitness Test standard for 00238 GEO TECH.  Your application is now closed until your MPRR has been updated indicating that you meet the minimum requirements for your selected occupation. 

Plse resubmit your application once this matter has been rectified to our generic mailbox at +D MIL C 7 CT@CMP DMCA@Ottawa-Hull.

Thank you!"

E-Mail was from **********@forces.gc.ca
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on November 15, 2012, 15:03:38
Ok, in light of this, you need to have your Orderly Room update your MPRR info to show your valid PT test.

Once your MPRR is updated...you resubmit your CT application.

I'd remove the @forces email address you included in your post above though. 

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: dh101 on November 15, 2012, 15:15:30
Ok, in light of this, you need to have your Orderly Room update your MPRR info to show your valid PT test.

Once your MPRR is updated...you resubmit your CT application.

I'd remove the @forces email address you included in your post above though.
Thanks for the great information,
I believe that my MPRR has already been updated, a week or two ago we got a copy of our AFT sheet saying that we did pass, so I'm guessing that they are now giving us a copy, they have finished the paperwork and added it to our MPRR, I will see if I can double check tonight tho. I sent off an e-mail to the DMILC with the same information, but how do I go about resubmitting the CT, using the E-Mail adress I mentioned above, or resubmitting it like I did the first time using the DWAN website?

And if appropriate, how would I go about contacting the Capt at D Mil C 7 - CT?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on November 15, 2012, 15:18:10
I believe that my MPRR has already been updated, a week or two ago we got a copy of our AFT sheet saying that we did pass, so I'm guessing that they are now giving us a copy, they have finished the paperwork and added it to our MPRR

No.  You need to verify to be sure, or you will resubmit and get the same result.

Quote
I sent off an e-mail to the DMILC with the same information, but how do I go about resubmitting the CT, using the E-Mail adress I mentioned above, or resubmitting it like I did the first time using the DWAN website?

And if appropriate, how would I go about contacting the Capt at D Mil C 7 - CT?


I think the yellow text below answers your question.  ;)  Don't be scared to trust your eyes, seems to me you are making this harder than it has to be.  Relax.

Yes, the "@forces.gc.ca" email address you had up earlier is the SMTP email address you can resubmit to from a civie email address.  You do not need to contact the Capt directly, which is why they have this magical generic email account (imagine said Capt getting emails from CT applicants directly...all day long, week after week. She would probably fall down some stairs on purpose).
 
"Ref: CF MIL PERS INSTR 03/08

PTE ******:

As per Para 3.1 of Ref, we are unable to accept your Component Transfer application at this time as your file has been deemed ineligible.  You do not meet the minimum Fitness Test standard for 00238 GEO TECH.  Your application is now closed until your MPRR has been updated indicating that you meet the minimum requirements for your selected occupation. 

Plse resubmit your application once this matter has been rectified to our generic mailbox at +D MIL C 7 CT@CMP DMCA@Ottawa-Hull.

Thank you!"

E-Mail was from **********@forces.gc.ca

Veriy tonight that your MPRR has been updated.  If so...resubmit.  In that order.   
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: dh101 on November 15, 2012, 15:33:31
Alright, thank-you very much, one last question. Any idea how to "Resubmit" my application to the e-mail address. Do I just send an E-mail stating that I'm looking to resubmit with the trade I was interested in, when I did it originally, there was a Form with all kinds of questions that I submitted online using a DWAN account.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on November 15, 2012, 15:40:42
Is the form a downloadable one that you can fill out and save, and attach to an email to the XXX@Forces.gc.ca email address??  If so...do that (I am at home so I can't pull up stuff off the DIN).

If not, then I'd re-do the application the same way you did it the first time, then I'd reply to their email indicating I've resubmitted the application via the online way. 

Come on, seriously you've been pointed in the right direction...and I see a lock comin' soon.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: milnews.ca on November 15, 2012, 15:45:25
.... Come on, seriously you've been pointed in the right direction...and I see a lock comin' soon.

Good eye, EITS.

Questions asked, and answered in detail.

Milnet.ca Staff
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: melissavtz on December 04, 2012, 16:17:33
I'm trying to figure out how to do a component and occupational transfer

I read through CF MIL PERS INSTR 0308 - Canadian Forces Component Transfer 
- link    ---->  http://www.docstoc.com/docs/53496276/CF-MIL-PERS-INSTR-0308---Canadian-Forces-Component-Transfer-and

It tells me to complete a form that I can get online and send it to DMCA, however the link in the document doesn't work  -->  http://hr3.ottawa-hull.mil.ca/dgmc/engraph/ComponentTxfer_e.asp?Opensub=12
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NFLD Sapper on December 04, 2012, 16:19:03
That's cause it's a link to an internal website.....
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: melissavtz on December 04, 2012, 16:24:52
ok thx, I plan on doing this all in one day so I need to know how to do the next step as well, What is DMCA and how do I send my application to them, (step 1 of this application procedure).  Are there instructions in this link "http://hr3.ottawa-hull.mil.ca/dgmc/engraph/ComponentTxfer_e.asp?Opensub=12" which I can't access until I get to a computer at my unit?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: MikeL on December 04, 2012, 16:29:22
Yes,  you need to get to a DWAN computer in order to go to intranet sites.

You will also need to have a DWAN account in order to log onto those computers. 
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: dapaterson on December 04, 2012, 16:31:48
DMCA is the Directorate of Military Career Administration.  They handle all Component Transfer requests.

The link includes an online submission form - complete the requested information and your CT request is sent to the appropriate DMCA staff automatically.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Thanato on December 14, 2012, 00:04:48
So I submitted my CT (same trade [ACISS]) 1 week ago and the following day received (as best as I can guess) an automated E-mail which included my MPRR from DMILC7CT@forces.gc.ca.

My real question is, is the member (myself) authorized to email DMILC7CT@forces.gc.ca directly or does it have to go through the CoC?

I just want my CT to go smoothly (which I know is probably not the case). I'm hoping for an April Posting message, but I've heard that is not likely due to how late I submitted my CT.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: AgentSmith on December 17, 2012, 04:59:16
From what I understand, yes you can email DMCA directly. My unit OR told me it's not a problem.

I highly doubt you'll have a posting message my April. Even CT's to the same trade can take a while (a friend waited a year and a half to get back into the RCD, and that was with a tour to Bosnia) I waited 8 months from the day I submitted my CT to when I had my interview, just waiting on a job offer (no idea how long it will take now, depends on the open positions for next year)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on December 17, 2012, 13:18:53
I emailed my case manager directly, was not a problem. For SigOp when it was red, I had a posting instruction in less than 3 months. April is doable if you have everything they need ready.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DAA on December 17, 2012, 18:05:03
Email D Mil C 7 direct or if you have the name of your broker, then send it right to them!   ACCIS is an "in demand" occupation and they should pick you up rather quickly...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on December 18, 2012, 17:23:52
Email D Mil C 7 direct or if you have the name of your broker, then send it right to them!   ACCIS is an "in demand" occupation and they should pick you up rather quickly...

I just checked his profile, he won't be on the top of the pile because he still needs his DP1 training. Basically just another PAT in the meat grinder.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DAA on December 18, 2012, 18:39:18
I just checked his profile, he won't be on the top of the pile because he still needs his DP1 training. Basically just another PAT in the meat grinder.

ACCIS is currently in demand, so he should be processed right away, provided he meets all the other prerequisites.  But then again, could be yet another applicant who falls throug the cracks....which I am sure the CM would be happy to hear about...  :-(
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: greydak on December 28, 2012, 22:48:03
Course stared in October, and I'm happy with the trade thus far...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on January 20, 2013, 11:38:00
 Good Morning All,

 I'm currently in the process of CT from res-reg. I've been trying to get in touch with the local CT person at the CFRC in Halifax, however after 3 weeks they have yet to return any of my phone calls. I'll be visiting in person on Tuesday (working 6 days a week with one day off on the weekends makes it hard to get in sadly), however does anyone have any idea of who else I can contact in regards to my file?

 I'd normally go to my OR, however the person in the OR who handles CTs is currently on course for the next two months...

 Thank you kindly,
         NSDreamer
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on January 20, 2013, 12:00:37
Some clarity here....D Mil C 7-3 is the CT authority for PRes --> Reg Frce; I thought the CFRCs were completely out of the picture RT CT process (contrary to the DAOD, it was never amended for *reality*).

There is a @forces email for the DMilC 7-3, both '+' and SMTP address.  Maybe the OP in this thread (http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,108282.msg1188371.html#msg1188371) can provide the SMTP [@forces] one.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on January 20, 2013, 12:09:26
Some clarity here....D Mil C 7-3 is the CT authority for PRes --> Reg Frce; I thought the CFRCs were completely out of the picture RT CT process.  (yes, contraary to the DAOD, it was never amended for *reality*).
this thread (http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,108282.msg1188371.html#msg1188371) can provide the SMTP [@forces] one.

 All I know is this is the only contact I have in reference to CTs other then my clerk in absentia.

On a side note heard a terrible story about a colleague who had his entire file stopped recently because they tried to call an old number and weren't able to get a hold of him. Didn't bother to contact his unit or his @forces address at all to confirm...so easy to slip through the cracks apparently...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on January 20, 2013, 12:12:38
I'd call that 'being ******* lazy' on the part of both parties.  ;D

Also, part of the problem is the DAOD hasn't been amended;  leads some ppl down the wrong path.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on January 21, 2013, 16:27:19
Well...I got a response that shocked me. They had all of my information wrong at the office. They had me down as ROTP not DEO, said I was still in process of getting a degree, I had graduated before I ever applied, and have been advised that my file cannot be processed now until September/October...nearly two years later!

 Take away from this everyone, when you ask questions, ask for details...don't trust that they have the important stuff right, despite you're putting in on the form... Innocent mistakes by others can cost you years...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: dapaterson on January 21, 2013, 16:50:30
Part of the process involves reviewing the MPRR.  The folks at DMCA request, in their initial contact, that you review your MPRR to ensure it is correct.  They base their analysis and conclusions on the MPRR.

If the tombstone data they are provided is incorrect, there's not much they can do about it.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on January 22, 2013, 00:59:49
Part of the process involves reviewing the MPRR.  The folks at DMCA request, in their initial contact, that you review your MPRR to ensure it is correct.  They base their analysis and conclusions on the MPRR.

If the tombstone data they are provided is incorrect, there's not much they can do about it.

 No doubt about it!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Hatchet Man on January 22, 2013, 10:44:33
Some clarity here....D Mil C 7-3 is the CT authority for PRes --> Reg Frce; I thought the CFRCs were completely out of the picture RT CT process (contrary to the DAOD, it was never amended for *reality*).

There is a @forces email for the DMilC 7-3, both '+' and SMTP address.  Maybe the OP in this thread (http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,108282.msg1188371.html#msg1188371) can provide the SMTP [@forces] one.

If it's a straight same trade to same trade CT, then you are correct no involvement from CFRG.

If its an OT-CT, the nearest recruiting centre will conduct a CFAT (if applicable), Aircrew Selection (or MPAC, or whatever occupation specific pre-assessment is required, if applicable), and finally an interview with an MCC. 
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Dragoonian on January 23, 2013, 11:06:23
Hey Greydak,
      Sorry for dragging up an older post  8). I have mustered over to ACS recently and am scheduled to start my common core / BEET March 27th - June 13th.  From there It looks like I will be attached posted back home until my course start date 24 September. I am Restricted posted so from what I am hearing from the OR here my family comes with me once I secure suitable accommodations in Borden and the Base commander there lifts the restriction. The question I have is What is the routine on course? I am much like you, re-mustered from armoured  and used to going on course in Wainwright and Gagetown unaccompanied. This will be the first one doing training while living in PMQ's. If you could give me a run down on a typical week, after hours training, inspections, pt, etc.  it would help me to get my head around how CFSATE works and what to expect. Thanks!!!!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: MaritimeMogul on February 13, 2013, 20:43:19
Hey I'm new to this site and am currently in a Reserve Unit. I put my CT in for Reg Force RMS Clerk last Thursday night during my training night. I received an email the next morning copied to my email from CFRC and my chief clerk and it read "Please Rush we would like to hire for RMS Clerk by March 31".

Has anyone ever heard of this before, and should I get my hopes up?. My clerk has already forwarded my entire package to the CFRC so my understanding is I just have an interview and then to wait for an offer from Ottawa. Please let me know.

Thanks
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DAA on February 13, 2013, 21:02:22
Hey I'm new to this site and am currently in a Reserve Unit. I put my CT in for Reg Force RMS Clerk last Thursday night during my training night. I received an email the next morning copied to my email from CFRC and my chief clerk and it read "Please Rush we would like to hire for RMS Clerk by March 31".

Has anyone ever heard of this before, and should I get my hopes up?. My clerk has already forwarded my entire package to the CFRC so my understanding is I just have an interview and then to wait for an offer from Ottawa. Please let me know.

Thanks

CT's are controlled by D Mil C 7.  So pretty much anything goes with them.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: MaritimeMogul on February 13, 2013, 21:37:19
I understand that much. What I mean is has anyone ever heard/received this message, and do you think it will really be that quick?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on February 13, 2013, 22:53:25
I understand that much. What I mean is has anyone ever heard/received this message, and do you think it will really be that quick?

Flash to offer for my CT was 3 months. If they need qualified pers, and there's nothing wierd, you can move quick.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: MaritimeMogul on February 13, 2013, 23:39:58
Ok. Your qualified personnel kind of makes me wonder if they will take me. I'm transferring from an infantry unit. It excites me that I received that rushed please hire by March 31, but I don't want to get my hopes up to much.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Proud_Canadian on February 21, 2013, 13:18:32
This happens.  Still many gears to be turned.  Even if you were the CDS son,it will take X timefor your file to be mailed to the CFRC, X time ti discover your file was flagged (as per the email). The calender will have to accommodate the interview and the send/received for the results of the interview.

All and all, this sounds like good news.  Keep in touch with Your clerk to make sure they sent the file to the CFRC and 1 week later call the CfrC to see if they received the file and to speak to the person tasked with handling CTs at the CFRC (File Manager)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Beezer on February 23, 2013, 09:30:29
I've been in an Reserve infantry unit for 18 years. I recently changed trade to RMS Clerk. Last week in opted to transfer Reg Force as a Traffic Tech (asked for Air Force). I've been working full time with my unit for 6 years and my Aptitude Test, BFT and medicals are all up to date. I have my PLQ Leadership courses Mods 1 to 6 part 1. I don't have the field portion.

Do I need the field portion of an Army PLQ to be a MCpl in the Air Force? Will they grant me equivalencies or make me start the leadership courses over again?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on February 23, 2013, 10:46:48
Part of the CT/OT process will include the PLAR, and you're CT/OT offer will state if your Ldrship course will be granted to you.  If it isn't, you can request a PLAR for equivalency and the folks at CDA will review and determine.  Your PRES Pers File should have a copy of your Crse Report. 

Also, if you get an offer for Traf Tech the DEU you get may have some affect on the granting of the PLQ based on the info I saw yesterday in CANFORGEN 031/13 (http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,18969.msg1211044.html#msg1211044), para 4(b)(11). 
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NFLD Sapper on February 23, 2013, 10:51:20
But EITS if you noted the CANFORGEN has info that is at least 1 year out of date as there is no legacy courses anymore.....
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NFLD Sapper on February 23, 2013, 10:58:30
I've been in an Reserve infantry unit for 18 years. I recently changed trade to RMS Clerk. Last week in opted to transfer Reg Force as a Traffic Tech (asked for Air Force). I've been working full time with my unit for 6 years and my Aptitude Test, BFT and medicals are all up to date. I have my PLQ Leadership courses Mods 1 to 6 part 1. I don't have the field portion.

Do I need the field portion of an Army PLQ to be a MCpl in the Air Force? Will they grant me equivalencies or make me start the leadership courses over again?

Quote
PERS WHO HAVE COMPLETED MODULE 6 PART 1 OF THE PLQ-L WILL NOT BE GRANTED EQUIVALENCY FOR MODULE 3 OF PLQ-A, BUT WILL BE REQUIRED TO COMPLETE MODULES 3 AND 4 IN THEIR ENTIRETY
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on February 23, 2013, 11:05:24
But EITS if you noted the CANFORGEN has info that is at least 1 year out of date as there is no legacy courses anymore.....

Ya...but the PLAR done using the LFCO (can't remember the #), they *may* grant the PLQ equiv at CDA.  And...if the CT offer is for RCAF DEU, well then that changes it to. 

I did a CLC, when PLQ came out, I put in a PLAR and was granted equiv of CF-PLQ (actually, grandfathered in both CLC and SLC) and have a ltr on my Pers File from the SSO NCM PD @ CDA stating I have ldrship qual's to WO lvl.  Because of the grey area (not having the PLQ and ILQ qual codes on my MPRR) I played the "better safe than sorry" game.  Alot of ppl now see CLC and SLC and weren't in when they even existed, so they don't automatically go "PLQ/ILQ (or ILP or whatever it was called last week) in their mind.

So I guess the answer is "It depends"  ;D.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Beezer on February 23, 2013, 16:20:47
Thanks for the prompt replies. Obviously I'd like to be granted equivalencies but I simply just want to get my foot in the door.

If I don't get an offer before April I will simply go on my leadership course this Spring. If all goes well perhaps they'll grant equivalencies after I've fully qualified.

Thanks again.
 
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: MaritimeMogul on March 06, 2013, 18:35:26
Just an update on my CT. Its been a month and I have already received a date for my Interview (next Tuesday). I'm hoping the MCC then sends the file to my broker and they send me an offer asap. Fingers crossed that I get the BMQ bypass. <---- Definitely wouldnt want to be retrained from scratch.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DieselTech86 on March 18, 2013, 20:24:36
Hi a little about myself, I am a licensed 310T. Truck and Coach tech currently employed in civy land with a good job. I have been serving with a reserve svc bn for 4 years now and I really enjoy it but have always been in debate about going full time or not and would like to find some v techs that started as reservists and went reg if they thought it was everything they hoped it would be or not. I have completed bmq/ bmq land
luvw/ lsvw / hlvw driver wheel, I currently hold the rank of pte B because I have never been on eme common or any career courses. I had a plar done and I have been written off as a 5 qualified corporal just have to take an eme history test and it is finalized paperwork is already in for promotion, also in may 2012 I won the award for top reserve craftsman across canada and was flown to ottawa to bluebell with my co.  I am thinking going on tour is my next step in determining if I want to do this as a career or not look fwrd to any input available thanks for your time
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DieselTech86 on March 20, 2013, 10:44:30
 73 reads and no one has any answers or advice ?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: bigjohnson on April 28, 2013, 19:35:07
I personally didn't transfer from reserve to reg, but i am also a 310t tech and joined with a plar. I was forced to do the full 3's package, did my OJT in gagetown and did the whole 5's course as well. Someone in Borden that had been a reserve 5's veh tech, and had been on tour still had to go to borden and do a step 3's package and the 5's package as well. If you've got the patience and want to do it go for it, but it can be a bit of a headache. Its certainly less stressful then any civy job I've had as a 310t tech.  Not sure if that helps but thats all I've got
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: BeyondTheNow on April 28, 2013, 20:16:23
73 reads and no one has any answers or advice ?

If it sheds any light, there are many, many users on this forum who are ill-equipped to answer your post, as well as several who aren't even military. Please be patient.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: unit91 on June 10, 2013, 17:15:30
Hey guys, I just received my ct offer from pres INF to reg INF under rotp to finish my degree.
I'm an Lt with a tour as a platoon commander, getting my capt next month and my ct offer has me going down to an OCdt... Does that sound a little off to anyone else?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DAA on June 10, 2013, 17:29:44
Hey guys, I just received my ct offer from pres INF to reg INF under rotp to finish my degree.
I'm an Lt with a tour as a platoon commander, getting my capt next month and my ct offer has me going down to an OCdt... Does that sound a little off to anyone else?

It all depends on just what was in your CT "offer".  I trust you fully understood what was being offered and what you "accepted"?  There is a MILPERS Instruction which deals with this and I will post it in the morning.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: unit91 on June 10, 2013, 23:24:53
DAA, thanks, I haven't accepted anything yet as they are in the process of having dppd reassess the offer for rank and pay.  I'd still like the link sent if possible please.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: ARMY_101 on June 20, 2013, 21:16:41
Any idea whether CTs are processed by trade throughout the year (e.g. "RMS Clks in March, Sup Techs in April, infantry May" etc)? Reason I ask is to attempt to figure out whether changing the application preferences from one trade to another throughout the year could help bump the file.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PPCLI Guy on June 21, 2013, 03:25:52
Hey guys, I just received my ct offer from pres INF to reg INF under rotp to finish my degree.
I'm an Lt with a tour as a platoon commander, getting my capt next month and my ct offer has me going down to an OCdt... Does that sound a little off to anyone else?

Yes.  You are a commissioned officer.  They cannot take that away with the stroke of a pen....
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PMedMoe on June 21, 2013, 08:10:12
Any idea whether CTs are processed by trade throughout the year (e.g. "RMS Clks in March, Sup Techs in April, infantry May" etc)? Reason I ask is to attempt to figure out whether changing the application preferences from one trade to another throughout the year could help bump the file.

So, you want to just apply for different trades until you get one?  Just MHO, but I don't think that would go over very well....   :dunno:
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on June 21, 2013, 11:26:46
Any idea whether CTs are processed by trade throughout the year (e.g. "RMS Clks in March, Sup Techs in April, infantry May" etc)? Reason I ask is to attempt to figure out whether changing the application preferences from one trade to another throughout the year could help bump the file.

I think 'changing' it mid-stream would SLOW your application down not speed it up.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: ARMY_101 on June 21, 2013, 23:29:29
Problem is:

a. You can only have up to 3 trade choices at once; and

b. You cannot apply to CT as an officer trade AND an NCM trade (you need to pick one).

So, if LogOs are processed in March, and an applicant doesn't get an offer, why not try switching to RMS Clerk for the selection in May (if that was indeed the process)?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Ranger Rick on August 09, 2013, 17:46:07
Yes.  You are a commissioned officer.  They cannot take that away with the stroke of a pen....

Actually, I am also a PRes InfO and another Pl Cmdr at my Bn is in the exact same situation as Unit 91. Apparently because it is for ROTP  they can be assessed as OCdts and their pay can be cut substantially. He ended up showing me the paperwork and he rejected his offer because he has a wife and child and couldn't support them on OCdt 2 wages...

I expect in Unit 91's case since he hasn't finished his degree he wouldn't be eligible to be a commissioned officer in the RegF.


If anyone here is from the CFRG or has other experience I could use some guidance. It is my intent to CT. I have about 8 years in, 7 as an Inf NCM (MCpl) and I was commissioned in Sept 2012. I will be completing DP1.1 This fall. Would it be more beneficial to submit my CT now, unqualified, and update it upon completion of DP1.1, or, to submit it after finishing DP1.1? I realize it seems obvious that a trained CT would move quicker than an untrained CT, however, for RegF InfO I will need DP1.2 and therefore wouldn't be fully trained.

Thanks!

Rick
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DAA on August 09, 2013, 17:57:24
Actually, I am also a PRes InfO and another Pl Cmdr at my Bn is in the exact same situation as Unit 91. Apparently because it is for ROTP  they can be assessed as OCdts and their pay can be cut substantially. He ended up showing me the paperwork and he rejected his offer because he has a wife and child and couldn't support them on OCdt 2 wages...
I expect in Unit 91's case since he hasn't finished his degree he wouldn't be eligible to be a commissioned officer in the RegF.
If anyone here is from the CFRG or has other experience I could use some guidance. It is my intent to CT. I have about 8 years in, 7 as an Inf NCM (MCpl) and I was commissioned in Sept 2012. I will be completing DP1.1 This fall. Would it be more beneficial to submit my CT now, unqualified, and update it upon completion of DP1.1, or, to submit it after finishing DP1.1? I realize it seems obvious that a trained CT would move quicker than an untrained CT, however, for RegF InfO I will need DP1.2 and therefore wouldn't be fully trained.
Thanks!
Rick

CFRG has no view on CT processing.  You need to speak with D Mil C 7.  They are the "owners" of the CT process.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Beezer on August 09, 2013, 18:48:33
I email D Mil C7 every few weeks just to make sure my file is still active and up to date.

I've been told that there is no Tfc Tech positions this fiscal year. Does that mean i should get an offer towards the end of this fiscal yer?

How accurate is that? I mean, I've been told by some that things tend to open up in the Fall and they don't really know what's coming up as the military is unpredictable, people release, quit recruit courses, etc...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: AgentSmith on August 09, 2013, 18:51:41
If there aren't any positions for this FY then that means there is nothing. You'll likely have to wait until after April 2014 when the new FY starts (which sucks cause I'm trying to do the same thing you are haha we both get to play the waiting game)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: TwoTonShackle on August 09, 2013, 19:10:23
Actually, I am also a PRes InfO and another Pl Cmdr at my Bn is in the exact same situation as Unit 91. Apparently because it is for ROTP  they can be assessed as OCdts and their pay can be cut substantially. He ended up showing me the paperwork and he rejected his offer because he has a wife and child and couldn't support them on OCdt 2 wages...



This makes little sense to me.  Every CT I've processed over the past 3 years the Reservist has kept their Rank level pay and IPC while they were OCdts/NCdts attending university.  Once they graduate/graduated the are/will be concurrently promoted to SLt/A/SLT to LT/SLt(N) and take the IPC on the D level scale closest to their current pay without going lower.  You may want to contact your broker about this.  My offer was the same, (paid OCdt while in University), but after inquiring about it I was told I would keep my Rank level and IPC incentive, (which made it too good to turn down) during the 4 years of University.  So if you are class "B" it is actually a 15% pay raise.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on August 29, 2013, 10:10:13
 Morning All,
 
 I'm trying to track down the documentation required for showing PLAR equivilancies and D MIL 7 is being less then helpful simply stating you need documentation other then your MPRR. To fill the EO boxes, what exactly do you reference/use to substantiate? Apparently my unit has little experience in it as we have new RegF pers posted in this year who have never been part of the process.

  Cheers!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: ARMY_101 on August 29, 2013, 10:17:32
Morning All,
 
 I'm trying to track down the documentation required for showing PLAR equivilancies and D MIL 7 is being less then helpful simply stating you need documentation other then your MPRR. To fill the EO boxes, what exactly do you reference/use to substantiate? Apparently my unit has little experience in it as we have new RegF pers posted in this year who have never been part of the process.

  Cheers!

You do need Documentum in order to find the course Training Plans and Qualification Standards that you are trying to equate.

For example, if you've done Course A which included PO 201: Fire the C9 LMG and you're trying to have Course B PO 201: Fire the C9 LMG written off, then you can easily say those two POs are equivalent and it would be redundant to repeat them.

If you're trying to PLAR PO/EOs with university and civilian experience, then you'll need to substantiate each PO/EO with relevant and verifiable education and civilian experience (e.g. university syllabus).
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on August 29, 2013, 10:27:33
So
You do need Documentum in order to find the course Training Plans and Qualification Standards that you are trying to equate.

For example, if you've done Course A which included PO 201: Fire the C9 LMG and you're trying to have Course B PO 201: Fire the C9 LMG written off, then you can easily say those two POs are equivalent and it would be redundant to repeat them.

If you're trying to PLAR PO/EOs with university and civilian experience, then you'll need to substantiate each PO/EO with relevant and verifiable education and civilian experience (e.g. university syllabus).

 From this piece, experience obtained on tasking and in position, the only reference would be a signed letter from the CoC that had so employed me, or from my own CoC stating that I was so employed would possibly constitute documentation? Terms of Reference rarely encompass everything you do...

 (Also thanks for the answers)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Army Signals on November 26, 2013, 19:41:40
Good day everyone!

As you may know, I have some question about switching from a reserve Mcpl to Reg force officer.

At the moment, I'm a Signals Mcpl and I'm on class B contract for maybe 2-3 years.

I don't have my bachelor degree yet. I've completed 2 out of 3 years in Business Admin. Basically, I only have 2 more semesters to complete in order to have it. But I received a really good class B offer I couldn't turn away!

I was wondering what are my option?

- DEO ?
- CFR ?

Other options?

The trade I'm looking at the moment:

- ACSO
- Sig O
- MARS

I would prefer not going to the CMR haha....
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on November 26, 2013, 19:47:07
Good friend of mine commissioned from Sigs MCpl to Officer through CEOTP, he had a year and a half left on his degree. He finished it at a local university in Kingston, and had some vested rights to his pay. He also didn't go Sig O, which did not hamper his transfer at all.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Army Signals on November 26, 2013, 19:49:28
Ok ok!

 I guess at this point, the best would be to do the CT on DWAN? Or go see a recruting center?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on November 26, 2013, 22:09:59
Recruiting Center can give you some face to face info about the programs available, but I believe you'll have to complete a CT form to start everything off.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DAA on November 27, 2013, 09:38:41
Ok ok!

 I guess at this point, the best would be to do the CT on DWAN? Or go see a recruting center?

Like PuckChaser mentioned, you will need to submit a CT via the DWAN, which could be a long drawn out process, so do it NOW!

I don't think the recruiting centre can be of much help.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on November 27, 2013, 10:36:38
The CFRC has nothing to do with CT's. 

CT's have nothing to do with RECRUITING.

See:  http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/board,44.0.html
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Scorch1911 on December 04, 2013, 11:02:58
I've been wondering how this process works, I can never get a straight answer from anyone.

I've completed training, I'm a med tech and if I wanted to switch, would I have to redo all my courses that I did in the reserve?
Some say you have to redo SQ, others say that and your occupation. Some even say have to redo the entire process.
Has anyone switched? What are the problems? What would I have to redo?

Thank you.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: krimynal on December 04, 2013, 11:20:19
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=12797.0



this question has been asked about 100000000000000000 times ........ try using the search option !
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: hfh38j on December 30, 2013, 19:49:12
Hello, first off I am new! I have exhausted a number of real life resources so I am hoping to find some help or guidance on here.

I have been in the infantry reserves for 3+ years now and decided to go Reg F Med Tech. I put my CT in September 2013 and never received a peep afterwards. I understand that you are supposed to receive a confirmation email, as well as your closest recruiting center (CFB Halifax in this case) and your home base. I received nothing and neither did they. I have called and emailed (no answer) recruiting in Ontario but can't find anything out.. it seems as though the people there literally know nothing about anything. I've called CFB Halifax numerous times about it and they said until they receive an email or my file, nothing can be done. I've begged them to try and do something so they sent an email and said maybe they are just so backed up that they haven't gotten around to sending confirmation emails.. I was advised to "hurry up and keep waiting".

I understand I am prematurely entering the worrying phase. My base advised me to put my CT in again, to which nothing came again. I have also heard that the Med Tech trade is closed right now? Perhaps that has something to do about it, but should they not at least contact me at all?

Additionally, my medical, fitness, and education are all up-to-date so I know it's not that.

Thank you in advance for any information you can give me. Contacts, advice, tough love, anything at all. Happy New Year!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: ATCO on December 30, 2013, 22:03:38
Welcome to the board!

I've been around in the CAF for a long while now so I'll share my experience going through CT.

My CT from the reserve back to the Reg F in the same trade took just under 2 years. Started the process in 2011 and it came out from Ottawa as an offer in 2013. I must add that the trade was in the red (or below PML in some Army slang).

I think I had some email confirmation that my file was going to be processed. The only feedback I got later on was when my medical expired. I received an email asking me to get it up to date or my file would be closed.

Some of my peers had similar two year wait, again going CT from reserve to Reg F, same trade. I would suspect that applying to a different trade would take roughly the same time. I know of only one exception, a friend got in the Reg F in 6 months, same trade (Logistics Officer).

My understanding is that the folks working for CT in Ottawa have their hands full. The fact that the reserve is facing cutbacks means that there are a lot of applications for the Reg F. You never know though, your trade might be in higher demand than some others.

Be patient though, Reg F is worth it! Good luck!

My 2 cents.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on December 31, 2013, 13:05:30
CFRCs shouldn't have anything to do with your CT unless you have to re-write your CFAT or something.

D Mil C 7-3 CT is (IIRC) who you need to be contacting.  Contact info is available on the DWAN.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: dapaterson on December 31, 2013, 14:57:38
Keep in mind D Mil C is at the mercy of the quality of your MPRR, as well as the throughput of those responsible for PLARs.  Given the very small number of pers there, what they accomplish is remarkable.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Hatchet Man on December 31, 2013, 15:21:03
CFRCs shouldn't have anything to do with your CT unless you have to re-write your CFAT or something.

Half-right.  CFRCs will conduct CFAT if required, and if you are requesting a CT/OT (such as the case with OP), they will also do an interview.  As well they will arrange for other specific testing (like Air Crew medicals).
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DAA on January 06, 2014, 11:27:24
CT applications are done online through the DWAN.  After submission, it is DMCPG 5-5 (ie; formerly D Mil C 7) who are responsible for the processing of CT applications.  Nothing can happen without their input, so they are the ones you need to speak with.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Shrek1985 on January 21, 2014, 12:24:59
How can I find out what the Trade I an CTing for will be looking at? I will have 10 years reserve infantry in june. My education (military history BA) will be complete this spring. I put in for Int Officer.

I have already been told that I should get rid of my Facebook by random people I know. I don't have anything in my life suspect in terms of the typical drunken debauchery that torpedoes people on FB. Never touched drugs. Don't drink and I don't have anything else in my life which I consider black-mailable, which would make make me a security risk.

My grades are good (high 70s-plus in subject related to my major), but I failed a few courses over the years and I am normally a C-student.

Getting rid of FB has me apprehensive because of how many people it will mean loosing touch with, many of whom only check their FB.  Would they care about political posts I have made? I am 100% loyal to Canada and my oath of service, but I have a low tolerance for BS and call it when I see it. Would deleting my FB account obviate that? Or make me look worse.

I am not real comfortable with the idea of the government reading my emails, are they going to want to do that? I guess I could live with it, I'd just rather not know somebody from the government can/is reading the old emails to my ex girlfriends. (insert NSA/big brother reference here).

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on January 21, 2014, 12:32:19
How can I find out what the Trade I an CTing for will be looking at? I will have 10 years reserve infantry in june. My education (military history BA) will be complete this spring. I put in for Int Officer.

You are in for a long wait, if they are having trained INT officers with Tours waiting several years for a CT.

I have already been told that I should get rid of my Facebook by random people I know. I don't have anything in my life suspect in terms of the typical drunken debauchery that torpedoes people on FB. Never touched drugs. Don't drink and I don't have anything else in my life which I consider black-mailable, which would make make me a security risk.


Many INT Ops and INT officers have FB accts.  If you are that paranoid, you can change your screen name.

I am not real comfortable with the idea of the government reading my emails, are they going to want to do that? I guess I could live with it, I'd just rather not know somebody from the government can/is reading the old emails to my ex girlfriends. (insert NSA/big brother reference here).

As a BA in History, perhaps you should look at all the Rules and Regulations relating to Canada's Security Agencies on the collection of information on Canadian citizens.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: MacdaddyMP on January 21, 2014, 19:45:51
I am a MCpl in the Military Police Reserve, I have been in the CAF for 7 years now. I have been through budget cuts and i have been through recruiting sprees.

I decided 4 years ago (2010) i was going to put a CT in for another trade (which was in demand) Around 2012 i received an email from a person who no longer is in the military stating that he received my file and thanked me for applying for that trade, so I waited a bit longer to see where it went. 2013 roles around.. I finally get another email stating that i must complete a aircrew medical, and interview. I immediately booked these and completed them. It is now 2014 and I am still sitting here in this same place I was 4 Years ago.. NOWHERE. I have tried talking to a broker with my file, She states i have scored very high in this trade, as well i meet all requirements, i tried talking to CFRC, i have tried talking to a MCC. Apparently my case is the first time this has happened for any one of these persons careers and they dont know what to do.

I have finally reached my peak. I have followed this trade that i have wanted to join all 4 years ive been waiting and it is STILL IN DEMAND. I have talked to recruiters in the trade itself and they tell me they need people, and yet where am i? sitting here at my desk ranting about this.

I have given up. I have decided im going to voluntarily release and rejoin in 6 months applying for the same trade that is STILL IN DEMAND!

Does anyone have any information for me WRT how they hold my rank, my pay, or if there is a safe way to do this?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on January 21, 2014, 19:58:18
READ this Thread through.

1st point you will find:  CFRC does not handle your file.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DAA on January 21, 2014, 20:29:24
I am a MCpl in the Military Police Reserve, I have been in the CAF for 7 years now. I have been through budget cuts and i have been through recruiting sprees.
I decided 4 years ago (2010) i was going to put a CT in for another trade (which was in demand) Around 2012 i received an email from a person who no longer is in the military stating that he received my file and thanked me for applying for that trade, so I waited a bit longer to see where it went. 2013 roles around.. I finally get another email stating that i must complete a aircrew medical, and interview. I immediately booked these and completed them. It is now 2014 and I am still sitting here in this same place I was 4 Years ago.. NOWHERE. I have tried talking to a broker with my file, She states i have scored very high in this trade, as well i meet all requirements, i tried talking to CFRC, i have tried talking to a MCC. Apparently my case is the first time this has happened for any one of these persons careers and they dont know what to do.
I have finally reached my peak. I have followed this trade that i have wanted to join all 4 years ive been waiting and it is STILL IN DEMAND. I have talked to recruiters in the trade itself and they tell me they need people, and yet where am i? sitting here at my desk ranting about this.
I have given up. I have decided im going to voluntarily release and rejoin in 6 months applying for the same trade that is STILL IN DEMAND!
Does anyone have any information for me WRT how they hold my rank, my pay, or if there is a safe way to do this?

Let's be clear right from the start and make no mistake about this.  When you see the term "In Demand" for a CF occupation or told by people in that occupation "we need people", it just DOES NOT APPLY to anyone from the Reserves who has applied for a "Component Transfer (CT)".  Apples and Oranges.......so to speak.  Nevertheless, I do hear exactly what you are saying but there is little if anything that can be done about it.  It's just the way things go.......

CT's are managed ONLY by DMCPG 5 and the only time you will deal with a CFRC is for an interview or any other processing requirement deemed necessary.  So the only people who can help you with this is DMCPG 5 or your CT Broker direct, hence, the reason why the people at your local CFRC can't help or explain it to you, it's not their job.

Can you release from the Reserves and then re-apply to the Reg F?  Yes you can!  But there are/may be implications on re-applying.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Shrek1985 on January 22, 2014, 01:11:21
You are in for a long wait, if they are having trained INT officers with Tours waiting several years for a CT.


Many INT Ops and INT officers have FB accts.  If you are that paranoid, you can change your screen name.

As a BA in History, perhaps you should look at all the Rules and Regulations relating to Canada's Security Agencies on the collection of information on Canadian citizens.

yeah...a long wait is what i figured.

The FB thing is a bit of a relief though. I honestly find it very difficult to stay in touch with people otherwise.

I just figured that maybe privacy would become one of those things we willingly give up while in uniform; like freedom of expression, ect. In the context I was thinking of it made sense. Historically, many intelligence officers have been turned due to various character flaws that would have been otherwise knowable and preventable. Contrariwise; if such were in place you run into the kind of resentment that sort of thing can easily instill in people, which weakens loyalty and character. Certainly, it did not seem beyond the pale though, in the grand scheme of things.

I guess I'm sort of bland in that respect though; never so much as tried weed in highschool.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on January 23, 2014, 12:45:38
Just to add a bit:  CTs were formerly looked after by D Mil C (Director Military Careers).

That has moved to DMCPG 5 (Director Military Careers Policy and Grievances).

Basically, a different sub-unit of DGMC (Director General Military Careers).  The DIN site for DGMC shows a breakdown of the whole org. 

Just thought I'd add that as I am sure there are posts from before saying "CTs are thru D Mil C 3-7 CT" or the like.  In short "they've moved".
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: lambeosaurus on January 23, 2014, 19:40:23
Thanks for the info Eye in the sky.

I did a CT application November 7th 2013 and since then I got no feedback at all, not even a confirmation e-mail.
I emailed D mil C7 to make sure my application was processed but all I got was an automated reply saying that due to budget costs, they stopped answering e-mails about CTs. But maybe that means I should try to contact  DMCPG 5 ?

I also wanted to change my choice of trades. Do I have to fill another application again ?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: runormal on January 23, 2014, 20:06:57
CT's are heavily behind. Expect a 6 month wait to even get an ACK.



Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Fishbone Jones on January 23, 2014, 22:06:01
I also wanted to change my choice of trades. Do I have to fill another application again ?

I would think any questions along that line are probably best handled by the BPSO.

My figuring anyway :dunno:
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on January 24, 2014, 15:04:06
Thanks for the info Eye in the sky.

I did a CT application November 7th 2013 and since then I got no feedback at all, not even a confirmation e-mail.
I emailed D mil C7 to make sure my application was processed but all I got was an automated reply saying that due to budget costs, they stopped answering e-mails about CTs. But maybe that means I should try to contact  DMCPG 5 ?

I also wanted to change my choice of trades. Do I have to fill another application again ?

I am a 'better safe than sorry' type.  SO if it were me, I'd contact the new OPI (DMCPG 5) staff with a concisely worded email/phone call, remembering Ps & Qs and see if they even have your file.  If not, ask how to proceed.    :2c:
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on January 24, 2014, 15:05:42
CT's are heavily behind. Expect a 6 month wait to even get an ACK.

While that might be the case, unless you work for the OPI...it doesn't help to pass on RUMINT as facts.  GI/GO system kind of thing.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: lambeosaurus on January 24, 2014, 22:10:31
Can anyone give me the E-mail and phone number of DMCPG 5 please ? I don't have access to DWAN.  I will try to ask  next tuesday evening at my regiment's orderly room but they're very busy and I don't know if they'll have time to help me.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: tymi1991 on January 26, 2014, 15:14:14
I recently filled a ct from my infantry reserve unit to rotp. Within a week and a half I heard from a file manager in Ottawa. The MWO looking after my file told me to update my fitness test and get back to her asap so she could process my application. I am curious if hearing back so fast is a good sign or is this typical run of the mill response time? Does having a file manager working to process my file so urgently mean my wait time could be shorter than initial expected?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: RandyCrust on January 27, 2014, 20:44:45
I'm in the exact situation:


I did a CT application November 7th 2013 and since then I got no feedback at all, not even a confirmation e-mail.
I emailed D mil C7 to make sure my application was processed but all I got was an automated reply saying that due to budget costs, they stopped answering e-mails about CTs. But maybe that means I should try to contact  DMCPG 5 ?

I also wanted to change my choice of trades. Do I have to fill another application again ?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Cheebs on January 31, 2014, 10:33:03
I am in the CT wating game as well, 6 yrs in RegF then went reserves. I applied in Aug12, had an interview last May and haven't heard anything since (except for the "don't call us we'll call you" out of office reply to my polite em request for status update). I check the SIP spreadsheet when it gets updated at the beginning of the month and have added a couple of more trades that show there are numbers left to fill to my application.
Does anybody know how the process works more or less? What happens when the CT broker WO has the file?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Onegin on February 02, 2014, 20:53:38
Hey all,

I put in a CT last week for Bioscience Officer. One of the minimum requirements is to have a GPA of or above B+. Does anyone know who I send my transcripts to? Will they ask for them after they have assessed my CT?


Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: RandyCrust on February 09, 2014, 13:01:30
Update since I last posted here I finally received a confirmation email from the DMcpg 5
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: sdg highlanders on February 14, 2014, 21:51:17
Hi I got a question and hope you can help me. I joined the reserve unit about a year and a half ago  as soon as I started bmq and training I knew the military was for me and wanted to transfer to reg force I put in a ct a year and 2 months ago and no news yet the worst is that my buddy applies online for reg and got a call back and everything done within 7 months. My question is should I quite reserves and reapply to reg is that even possible what should I do what would you do I want to start my career off with the CAF either air force, navy, or army

Thank you for your consideration sir
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: LunchMeat on February 14, 2014, 22:22:35
The worst thing you can do is release with intention of reenrolling. There's a waiting period and may actually bar you from getting in (not banned but just denied application).

Send in your CT papers, yes it takes a crazy long time to process but... Welcome to the Canadian Forces. It takes 7-16 months just to change reserve units that are in the same city.

Follow up with your CoC, maybe it has just hit a snag or is buried on someone's desk. Just hope you got photocopies of all the paperwork in case it goes missing.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: sdg highlanders on February 16, 2014, 16:10:46
Does it take longer to transfer from infantry to air force I wanna become an air structural tech and thank you for your reply
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on February 16, 2014, 16:35:06
The worst thing you can do is release with intention of reenrolling. There's a waiting period and may actually bar you from getting in (not banned but just denied application).

Send in your CT papers, yes it takes a crazy long time to process but... Welcome to the Canadian Forces. It takes 7-16 months just to change reserve units that are in the same city.

Follow up with your CoC, maybe it has just hit a snag or is buried on someone's desk. Just hope you got photocopies of all the paperwork in case it goes missing.

There MAY be a waiting period, depending on circumstances.

How many people do you know that changed PRes unit that took 7-16 months?  Is this always the case? 

Or are you just putting out your opinion as facts? 
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on February 16, 2014, 16:37:27
Hi I got a question and hope you can help me. I joined the reserve unit about a year and a half ago  as soon as I started bmq and training I knew the military was for me and wanted to transfer to reg force I put in a ct a year and 2 months ago and no news yet the worst is that my buddy applies online for reg and got a call back and everything done within 7 months. My question is should I quite reserves and reapply to reg is that even possible what should I do what would you do I want to start my career off with the CAF either air force, navy, or army

Thank you for your consideration sir

First off, go back and add some punctuation, etc to your post so it makes sense.  Include what trade you are now in the PRES, what trade you want to go in the Reg Force and what trg you've completed to date.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: LunchMeat on February 16, 2014, 20:21:07
There MAY be a waiting period, depending on circumstances.

How many people do you know that changed PRes unit that took 7-16 months?  Is this always the case? 

Or are you just putting out your opinion as facts?

Of course it's not the same for all Brigades but I know a few and also had the same experience. I was simply stating it because it has happened and long waits are the staple crop in the CF.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: JoshKeegan on February 27, 2014, 22:10:38
Hi folks,

I figured I would post in this thread instead of making a new one. I searched around and wasn't able to find any information on CT offers for 2014. When I concluded my CT file (completed everything required) I was told everyone would have an answer before or by the new fiscal year. I applied for RegF Military Police (Current reserve MP). Is there a link where I can check on my CT application like OT applicants can? Any information regarding this would be awesome. Thank you in advance.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: JoshKeegan on February 28, 2014, 01:58:50
Also, when the switch was made from DMIL to whatever it is now, did we have to reapply or were all applications transferred over? And does anyone know if the
CFRC interview is still required?

It is very frustrating because they refuse to answer emails inquiring about the status of applications.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: MikeAlphaTango on March 03, 2014, 13:42:46
Hi there,

I was just wondering if anyone here has a recent contact email or phone number for DMcpg 5, or the right person to contact about my CT. I have had issues before with personnel losing my files so I would like to touch base and see if there is any news on my process.

Sorry if this information has already been given but I can't seem to find it.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on March 03, 2014, 17:14:07
try  DIN search for them, or DIN search DGMC and drill down thru their Org chart for info.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: MikeAlphaTango on March 12, 2014, 12:36:40
If anyone is interested,

I spoke to someone at DMCPG and they said they are processing CTs from Oct 2013 now, and will not begin any that came in 2014 till this April.

M.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: MikeAlphaTango on March 12, 2014, 12:39:13
If anyone is interested,

I spoke to someone at DMCPG and they said they are processing CTs from Oct 2013 now, and will not begin any that came in 2014 till this April.

M.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Black Watch on March 12, 2014, 12:53:01
and no reply from them... And I submited my ct request in Dec. '11  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Schindler's Lift on March 12, 2014, 13:04:04
If anyone is interested,

I spoke to someone at DMCPG and they said they are processing CTs from Oct 2013 now, and will not begin any that came in 2014 till this April.

M.

Sounds like the same people working on the PIL team. ;D
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: runormal on March 12, 2014, 15:04:39
If anyone is interested,

I spoke to someone at DMCPG and they said they are processing CTs from Oct 2013 now, and will not begin any that came in 2014 till this April.

M.

Good thing I don't intend to transfer until 2016 (Finishing school first)  ::), I put mine in not to long along but I'm sure it will be a longer wait then that.

and no reply from them... And I submited my ct request in Dec. '11  :facepalm:

Have you not considered talking to either your CC or COC or DCMPG 5? You should of at least heard something... I know I was reading when I put in my CT it said if they can't get a hold of you they close your file. Perhaps that's what happened..
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Black Watch on March 14, 2014, 14:26:14
Good thing I don't intend to transfer until 2016 (Finishing school first)  ::), I put mine in not to long along but I'm sure it will be a longer wait then that.

Have you not considered talking to either your CC or COC or DCMPG 5? You should of at least heard something... I know I was reading when I put in my CT it said if they can't get a hold of you they close your file. Perhaps that's what happened..

I should have written that i've been for my ct to become reality since then
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: stevie506 on March 23, 2014, 19:11:58
Hello! This Friday will be my first day of BMQ at my local armory. I was wondering 2 things....
1. Is it possible to do a smooth transition into the reg force if I am already in the reserves? If so how do I switch?
2. Would I have to go to BMQ again even if I completed it with the reserves?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: mariomike on March 23, 2014, 19:21:40
This may help.

Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=12797.0

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Crispy Bacon on March 23, 2014, 20:32:12
If anyone is interested,

I spoke to someone at DMCPG and they said they are processing CTs from Oct 2013 now, and will not begin any that came in 2014 till this April.

M.

Interesting that they gave a "working on files received in x" date; I put mine in October 2012.  Since I believe they do CTs based off trade requirements (red, yellow, then green), it doesn't seem possible that they could give a projected "you will see your CT in..." although that would be great.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Crispy Bacon on March 23, 2014, 20:34:47
Also, when the switch was made from DMIL to whatever it is now, did we have to reapply or were all applications transferred over? And does anyone know if the
CFRC interview is still required?

It is very frustrating because they refuse to answer emails inquiring about the status of applications.

As of late they've been better with at least replying with a "yes, we've received your file." You should not have to re-apply just because they've changed their name, but a quick email to them (with a read receipt) wouldn't hurt.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Metsuke on April 04, 2014, 00:38:05
Hello, so I applied for the Reserve force, and I have my interview on the 9th of April. I have grade 10 completed, and I was wondering, (because I want to do the Army as a full-time career) should I instead switch to the Regular? I wanted to go into the Reserves to finish school, but if I switched to the Regular, would they put me through a GED, or something similar? I don't mind leaving school if I get offered a full-time career in the Reg, but finishing school would be a preference. I am a little confused, and I don't want to let the Cal Highs down, if they enroll me, then I leave after a year or two to the Reg, and I have also heard it is rather hard to switch to the Reg while in reserve. What are your guy's opinions?   
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Teager on April 04, 2014, 00:41:38
Finish School!!!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Brihard on April 04, 2014, 00:44:48
For the love of God finish school. I literally struggle to think of anything that would possibly be a stupider life decision that not finishing high school ASAP.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Jayjaycf on April 04, 2014, 00:45:17
Imo, you shouldn't switch from reserve to regular force at the moment, first of all I believe that grade 10 would be the bare minimum requirement for regular force and you don't wont to only be meeting minimum criteria because well you most likely wont have a very competitive application. Your first plan seems the best to me you get in the reserve get some military experience and finish school if you still want the military to be a lifetime career for you then great you put in a CT, the CT process can be long but its not un reasonable to think that after some wait you would probably  get in the reg.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Metsuke on April 04, 2014, 00:49:43
Thanks for the advice. I should be done school by January, so not really that long of a wait. It is a stupid decision now that I think about it. Since the selection is rather competitive, I would rather get the school done and dusted. Also, I have an electrical apprenticeship under way too. I am applying for an Infantry Solider, and Combat Engineer. Would it help my chances in either/or?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: JoshKeegan on April 17, 2014, 18:33:54
Anyone receive an offer lately?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: runormal on April 17, 2014, 20:19:33
Anyone receive an offer lately?
Haven't even heard a confirmation yet. But its only been about a month and a bit. Two infanteers I know went reg force in the middle of February but, I don't know of anyone else.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: JO BRO on April 21, 2014, 20:32:00
I was told by my broker last week that I would be receiving an offer (which I always assumed was the case and that it was just a matter of when) but that she couldn't give me even a general timeline. I'd imagine since she's telling me that it will be somewhat soon. My reserve infantry unit has had six guys head reg infantry since September of this year, from jacks to recent Corporals. Another one guy in my unit has likewise been told his offer will be coming shortly. According to our DCO the flood gates will be closing soon. No clue as to the veracity of that.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Crispy Bacon on April 23, 2014, 10:07:49
I was told by my broker last week that I would be receiving an offer (which I always assumed was the case and that it was just a matter of when) but that she couldn't give me even a general timeline. I'd imagine since she's telling me that it will be somewhat soon. My reserve infantry unit has had six guys head reg infantry since September of this year, from jacks to recent Corporals. Another one guy in my unit has likewise been told his offer will be coming shortly. According to our DCO the flood gates will be closing soon. No clue as to the veracity of that.

Well of course everyone's offer will be coming at some point.  Infantry is overborne so I imagine they are carefully balancing recruiting with those OTing/CTing/releasing/doing something else.

I've been told by a few Clerks waiting to CT to the Reg Force that they were contacted by their brokers in early April 2014 and told not to expect an offer this fiscal year...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Crispy Bacon on April 24, 2014, 14:55:32
The strategic intake plan (SIP) is up for 2014-2015.  Looks like a chilly year for CTs and recruiting from the public...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Alderson on April 30, 2014, 22:23:25
Questioning my choices here.. Military is my long term career goal but I wouldn't mind getting a taste of it through the reserves. My friend (Who's in the reserves) says that CT's (Going from Reserve to Regular force) takes longer than going from civilian to regular force.

Is this true?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on April 30, 2014, 22:32:29
There's so many variables, you can't make a fair comparison. You have to account whether you're OTing with the CT, if you're DP1 qualified or only BMQ, OT intake numbers for skilled/non-skilled, case load at D Mil C, etc etc etc.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DAA on April 30, 2014, 23:52:15
Questioning my choices here.. Military is my long term career goal but I wouldn't mind getting a taste of it through the reserves. My friend (Who's in the reserves) says that CT's (Going from Reserve to Regular force) takes longer than going from civilian to regular force.

Is this true?

Absolutely, positively....YES.

Take my word for it.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: rinoakes on May 01, 2014, 07:10:04
They do but don't let that stop you from joining the reserves. Benefits outweigh that negative.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PuckChaser on May 01, 2014, 08:51:16
They do but don't let that stop you from joining the reserves. Benefits outweigh that negative.

Unless you're planning to spend a year in the Reserves then CT. Then you're wasting the Reserves time and your time.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Crispy Bacon on May 01, 2014, 09:13:31
See this thread on CTing to the Reg Force: http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=12797.0

As mentioned above, there is no way to compare the waiting times for the two.  CTs can take anywhere from 2 months to 5+ years.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: JoshKeegan on May 01, 2014, 23:17:50
Questioning my choices here.. Military is my long term career goal but I wouldn't mind getting a taste of it through the reserves. My friend (Who's in the reserves) says that CT's (Going from Reserve to Regular force) takes longer than going from civilian to regular force.

Is this true?

Take it from a guy who finally got his offer after having his CT in for 18+ months. Aim for Reg Force, don't bother with the reserves. If I could do it again I would go straight Reg Force.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Baloo on May 04, 2014, 21:56:33
Quick question here, just looking for some replies and honest feedback.

I have recurring thoughts of leaving civilian law enforcement for full-time military employment. I know that the trend is usually the opposite, but, c'est la vie.

I am 27. I am currently on the way to completing AOC and will have approximately ten years service with the Reserves this year.

Is component transfer to the Regular Force a REALISTIC option at this stage of my life? Assuming I could make it into my trade, would I be able to take Phase IV, or would I be considered 'too far along?' And the question is similar if I went into another Combat Arm. Would I be able to take my Phase III and start fresh from there, albeit having all these staff courses?

Thoughts? Looking for honest feedback.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Crispy Bacon on May 07, 2014, 16:49:25
I recently heard back about CTs and it's not a good year. I was told that the 2014-2015 trained CT applications have already been chosen, and the guy above me (for the trained CT list) has had his CT in for 2 years longer than me. And I've had mine in for over 1 year and a half  :boring:

I wonder at what point CT applicants give up and either say: forget the Reg Force or forget the military period and find other employment.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: JYPORT87 on May 08, 2014, 17:39:13
Anyone receive an offer for MP Reg?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on May 08, 2014, 17:53:37
Quick question here, just looking for some replies and honest feedback.

I have recurring thoughts of leaving civilian law enforcement for full-time military employment. I know that the trend is usually the opposite, but, c'est la vie.

I am 27. I am currently on the way to completing AOC and will have approximately ten years service with the Reserves this year.

Is component transfer to the Regular Force a REALISTIC option at this stage of my life? Assuming I could make it into my trade, would I be able to take Phase IV, or would I be considered 'too far along?' And the question is similar if I went into another Combat Arm. Would I be able to take my Phase III and start fresh from there, albeit having all these staff courses?

Thoughts? Looking for honest feedback.

I don't know about the Officer side of the house.  If I were you I'd contact DMCPG (I think that's the right alphabet soup) and ask.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: JO BRO on May 09, 2014, 01:55:51
Got my offer for combat eng today, from infantry. Depending on when DP1 starts I'm either out of here early next month or cooling my jets making reg force money with my home unit until there is a course available. Life is good.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: lambeosaurus on May 10, 2014, 00:07:53
Got my offer for combat eng today, from infantry. Depending on when DP1 starts I'm either out of here early next month or cooling my jets making reg force money with my home unit until there is a course available. Life is good.

How much time did it take you to get the offer ?

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: JO BRO on May 11, 2014, 16:47:59
I put it in early October this time around. Previously I had one in in June and got an offer the next January.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Willy00005 on June 07, 2014, 00:46:07
so I would just like to let everyone know i started asking questions in ottawa recently reference a ct as I couldnt find an adequate civvy job, anyways less than a month and a half later im on my way, have my offer, just waiting for that posting message then off to borden for my 3's as an MSE op,
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: pyrosheen on June 12, 2014, 18:00:00
For those who are still waiting, are you able to check EMAA > MyCareer and find information regarding the current status of your CT? or do you just inquire by emailing a PSO at DMCPG-5 directly? Cheers.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DAA on June 12, 2014, 18:10:54
For those who are still waiting, are you able to check EMAA > MyCareer and find information regarding the current status of your CT? or do you just inquire by emailing a PSO at DMCPG-5 directly? Cheers.

I don't think CT information is available through EMAA but apparently "VOT" information is.

Your best bet, just email your "CT Broker" and I am sure they will respond back to you.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Crispy Bacon on June 13, 2014, 08:15:02
For those who are still waiting, are you able to check EMAA > MyCareer and find information regarding the current status of your CT? or do you just inquire by emailing a PSO at DMCPG-5 directly? Cheers.

You can email the positional mailbox.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Habs on June 14, 2014, 21:05:10
What's the best course of action to take if I haven't even been contacted yet? I put my CT in last August for MP. I was sent an e-mail once to update my fitness test, did my BFT a couple days later. They (I forget the email address, think it was D MIL C7 at the time) told me to e-mail them whenever I had an updated test. I did, but of course, received that automated "we are understaffed right now and your messages will be responded to in order of priority." Nothing heard since.

So... is there a specific mailbox I e-mail requesting an update, or to see if they've forgotten to update my file re: updated fitness test? My MPRR is updated and has been for a while, not sure if that matters or not.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: RMCDarkDemon on September 12, 2014, 15:41:04
Hi, I have been in the infantry reserves for 6 years and am looking to do a CT over to reg force armored. What I'm hoping to find out is if there is anything I need to have for them to look at my file and I would also like to hear some experience's people have had as armoured to get a better picture of what to expect during the job and in the training. If anyone could offer any advice it would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Fishbone Jones on September 12, 2014, 17:12:51
Hi, I have been in the infantry reserves for 6 years and am looking to do a CT over to reg force armored. What I'm hoping to find out is if there is anything I need to have for them to look at my file and I would also like to hear some experience's people have had as armoured to get a better picture of what to expect during the job and in the training. If anyone could offer any advice it would be greatly appreciated.

Dash, cunning, rapier wit, a porn 'stache and a big cup for drinking gravy. ;)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Shamrock on September 12, 2014, 22:04:15
Dash, cunning, rapier wit, a porn 'stache and a big cup for drinking gravy. ;)

A splendid head of hair, a healthy dose of derring-do, and an impeccable (if indecipherable) sense of timeliness.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Old Sweat on September 12, 2014, 22:08:19
Dash, cunning, rapier wit, a porn 'stache and a big cup for drinking gravy. ;)

In the best tradition of the British army, those with an IQ higher than room temperature need not apply.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: krimynal on September 19, 2014, 12:17:16
very quick question , I was reading on the forum today about some CT application and whatnot , but they were 5-6-7 years ago , so I was wondering if it changed at all or if its the same exact thing.

I'm a qualified gunner in the Primary Reserve , applying for a transfer in the air force ( 3 choices are : AWS Tech , Artillery and AVS TECH ).  Some people are saying that since AWS and AVS Tech are looking for new recruits right now , that the transfer SHOULD BE easier and faster ( don't know if its true at all ).

Some people at my unit are also saying that if I apply for a transfer , they might send me to ST-Jean to do BMQ all over again ? is it true?

Thanks
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on September 19, 2014, 12:25:58
First.....Wrong Forum....CT is not a recruiting process.

Two.....We have a long topic dedicated to CT from PRes to Reg Force that answers all your questions.  Look in Occupational and Component Transfers (http://army.ca/forums/index.php/board,44.0.html)

Topic LOCKED
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Shrek1985 on November 18, 2014, 00:15:04
I've had my CT in since February and I started off with the mindset of this taking a long time. I figured 3 years start to finish.

Got word in sept that they got my application in august (online application) and were currently working on march. I had been worried; hearing nothing that I might have missed a call or email somewhere to set up...something or whatever.

Got all my receipts and admin handshakes through email a few days after I submitted in Feb (saved them!)

Asked them in sept; anything else I can do?

Yeah, send us your MPRR.

Great, did that and silence, figure wheels are in motion. Then I get this message a few weeks back; "Have you applied for a CT before?"

-"no, just the one in feb, got it in aug, working on march, as of sept", ect.

I'll throw in now that by the person's word choice and spelling march as "marsh" (sic), i think this person is french, so I took it to mean they had no record of my CT, or might have lost it based on how they worded things. They didn't mean; "what are you, new?" or "did you do this right?", they meant; "can't find it anywhere."

 "BS" I say to myself (and only myself) "No, just the one in feb" I send back and here are the emails you sent me; receipt and the feb/marsh(sic)/aug/sept email, anything else from you ref; my CT.

Since then; (3 weeks) nothing. No; "oh, yes here it is. We are overworked, doing our best, ect" To which I would have replied; "no prob, I understand".

I'm dry on my advice pool at this stage.

Should I keep waiting and trust in the crown and whatever gods may be that it's trickling down, or should I re-apply? if I re-apply and it is still in motion, will that mess things up?

Now, yes; it's my first CT, but I applied online and my BOR clerks helped me through it. So I am confident it was done right.

Thanks for your time and patience.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: JS2218 on November 18, 2014, 09:15:37
Did you apply for one trade, then change your application to another trade?

I'm thinking *maybe* they were asking because they had application A (say, for RMS Clk) and application B (say, for Sup Tech) and they weren't sure which one was accurate.

Or have you always applied for this one trade, and that's that?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Shrek1985 on November 18, 2014, 14:18:32
Yes, only this one trade. I've never submitted a CT before.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: JS2218 on November 20, 2014, 20:40:06
Yes, only this one trade. I've never submitted a CT before.

Why not call the person and ask?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Shrek1985 on November 28, 2014, 10:28:42
Is that permitted? I didn't see a number on the email.

I'm almost looking at this like my buddy's police applications; if I bug them, they *will* loose my application.

My Coy clerk suggested I wait till the new year and said if I resubmit, I'll be starting all over again.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DAA on November 28, 2014, 11:23:28
Is that permitted? I didn't see a number on the email.

I'm almost looking at this like my buddy's police applications; if I bug them, they *will* loose my application.

My Coy clerk suggested I wait till the new year and said if I resubmit, I'll be starting all over again.

During the CT process, each file is assigned to a "Broker" and I do think that usually you are informed of "who" your CT Broker is.  If you don't know, then I'd suggest you just ask the question.  Once you do find out, then you will have a "single" point of contact, who can answer your questions directly.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Pat in Halifax on November 28, 2014, 11:54:14
The other option (which I just did for someone on this forum) is contact the Occupation Manager to find out who the Broker is.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Shrek1985 on December 02, 2014, 08:46:33
Thanks guys, I'll look into that.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: JS2218 on December 12, 2014, 20:29:22
Just email the directorate (DMCPG_5_CT-DPGCM_5_ME@forces.gc.ca) and ask who it is.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Shrek1985 on December 24, 2014, 12:04:15
I'll give that a go! Thank you!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: krimynal on January 29, 2015, 15:08:47
quick question , how long is it until a broker is assigned to your case ?

I applied for my CT/OT by the end of September.  I got told it might take a while , but am I suppose to get an email from someone letting me know I now have a broker or ?

I just want to make sure that since I'm completing my studies while hoping to get my OT/CT it's not messing anything , or not making me get dropped down to next year.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: JS2218 on January 29, 2015, 19:37:52
quick question , how long is it until a broker is assigned to your case ?

I applied for my CT/OT by the end of September.  I got told it might take a while , but am I suppose to get an email from someone letting me know I now have a broker or ?

I just want to make sure that since I'm completing my studies while hoping to get my OT/CT it's not messing anything , or not making me get dropped down to next year.

The CT process is right here (http://cmp-cpm.forces.mil.ca/dgmc/pg/iss-si/ct-tee/docs/CT_process_e.pdf).
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: krimynal on January 29, 2015, 19:54:15
I don't have access to a mil computer :( but thanks for the link !
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DAA on January 29, 2015, 21:14:41
quick question , how long is it until a broker is assigned to your case ?

The Broker is assigned right after you apply.........

If you don't know who your broker is, you need to email DMCPG 5-2 to find out.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: krimynal on January 29, 2015, 22:29:23
Ill email them , because ever since the automatic message about "not emailing them if we have questions" I never had any updates and I never knew who my broker was , or how to get in touch with him or whatever ....


some people in my unit told me he was going to email me sometimes .... but that's about it !
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: runormal on January 29, 2015, 23:52:07
Ill email them , because ever since the automatic message about "not emailing them if we have questions" I never had any updates and I never knew who my broker was , or how to get in touch with him or whatever ....


some people in my unit told me he was going to email me sometimes .... but that's about it !

I am in the same boat, much like many others in my unit.

The general consensus I've gathered is that it takes roughly 5-6 months for DCMPG 5 to get back to you from the moment you put in your CT in. (I've asked a bunch of people who want to go into various t trades ACISS -> ACISS, ACISS -> ARTY, ACISS -> AESOP, ACISS -> MP, ACISS -> AWS TECH) Once they email you back, you have no idea who your broker is all, the only thing you know they have received and begun processing Cpl XXX's CT.

Everything I've had to update (Academics, Medical, Trade Change) I've gotten my Chief Clerk to email the generic DCMPG5 general email and it usually takes 1-2 weeks to get a response. With all that being said I know of two infanteers (inf -> inf) and two sigs  (ACISS -> ACISSS) CT in just shy of a year. (Between 2014-2015). The system is moving, just not as quickly or with as much information as some of us would like. (I am aware that they are very understaffed).

Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: dapaterson on January 30, 2015, 00:18:41
I have heard that there are many, many open files, which results in delays.  I've also heard (on the plus side) that there is increased interest in increasing the number of CTs, so this may be getting more heat and light.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: krimynal on January 30, 2015, 10:07:39
should I email them to know who my broker is ? or it's not going to change much thing at all , apart from knowing who is in charge ?

I mean if I email him , and ask for some kind of input on my file , is it going to sound arrogant ? knowing they are pretty much overwhelmed ...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: JS2218 on January 31, 2015, 13:33:13
I've also heard (on the plus side) that there is increased interest in increasing the number of CTs, so this may be getting more heat and light.

Very much needed. We have bored infantrymen and generally individuals at the Corporal level who are bored/unsatisfied in their current trades. In some cases, they're already working out-of-trade, but for some reason need to wait another few years to be CT'd/OT'd into their new trade and have their training re-affirmed. IMHO, they could be doing a lot more to communicate to individuals: a) when they will be CT'd to the Reg Force (e.g. "Hey, Cpl Bloggins, right now your CT is scheduled for April 1, 2017); and b) what they can do in the mean time to get ready/prepare/become a better candidate for a CT.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on January 31, 2015, 19:25:56
Very much needed. We have bored infantrymen and generally individuals at the Corporal level who are bored/unsatisfied in their current trades. In some cases, they're already working out-of-trade, but for some reason need to wait another few years to be CT'd/OT'd into their new trade and have their training re-affirmed.

There needs to be vacancies in the MOSID they want into...and there are varying #s on the SIP for OT/CT (T) and CT (UT)...the latter usually being the lowest of the #s IIRC.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: krimynal on February 03, 2015, 16:18:16
I just spoke with my SGT who was somehow in charge of the transfer in my Unit ....

From what he heard , there will be movement in the CT side of things beginning February and march ... Something about consulting with career adviser in Ottawa and stuff ( didn't quite understand every part of it ! )
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on February 03, 2015, 16:20:41
Sgt in charge of CTs in your unit?  I thought units were removed from the process.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: krimynal on February 03, 2015, 16:25:47
when I got my first email , they asked me to send it to the one in charge of my file .... then when I called my unit , I heard that my one of my SGT at the OR was "In charge" .... ( I think he's simply the link between me and the CT crew ) but at the same time isn't that what the broker is suppose to be ?????

The only thing I know is that CT's should move a bit further in February and March
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on February 04, 2015, 12:18:23
when I got my first email , they asked me to send it to the one in charge of my file .... then when I called my unit , I heard that my one of my SGT at the OR was "In charge" .... ( I think he's simply the link between me and the CT crew ) but at the same time isn't that what the broker is suppose to be ?????

The only thing I know is that CT's should move a bit further in February and March

 As someone who has negotiated this process for the past several years and encountered just about every hurdle/road block you can imagine based on paperwork, I will shed some light. The unit has an OPI that is similar to a file manager, they are in charge of making sure (or should be) that all required documents from pers files, between CoC's are properly transmitted. The Director Military Careers Policies and Grievance component transfers cell are the ones who board the files with input from the career managers and other SMEs. (DMCPG-5).

DWAN LINK: http://cmp-cpm.forces.mil.ca/dgmc/au-as/search-recherche-eng.asp?frmName=&frmSect=49&frmRank=999&frmElem=999&frmSort=sect_detail
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: krimynal on February 04, 2015, 12:21:16
so If I understand correctly , my SGT is in charge of sending in all my files and making sure nothing is missing , then his job is pretty much done because the people who will be doing my official CT will be contacting me ( that's what brokers are for right ? )
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on February 04, 2015, 12:51:11
That is the general process yes. He is also, or should be, in charge of advising your current CoC on matters related to your component transfer when applicable. IE should you be accepted, there is a fair bit of paperwork that will require to be staffed.

My advice to you is simply this, keep records and stay on top of it yourself. I missed an entire year of file eligibility because my file was originally processed as if I were untrained while I was qualified into specialization, beyond basic MOC training. DMCPG-5 are a LOT better them D-Mil-7 (the people who used to handle the files) were, however they are still vastly understaffed and dealing with tight deadlines. Things get missed, so stay engaged, ask, when you have a broker, when the next boarding is, what information they need, what criteria you need to meet to qualify then document and substansiate.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: krimynal on February 04, 2015, 12:55:56
but as of right now since I don't know who my broker is , I should ask my SGT to know if he has any kind of news , or should I email DMCG asking who my broker is ? ( like someone here previously said ) ...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: dapaterson on February 04, 2015, 13:50:13
Given that the section was transferred from one organization to another, it's still the same people doing thevwork.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on February 04, 2015, 13:57:58
My advice? Talk to the Sgt first, find out if he has an email chain and if the file has been transmitted to DMCPG. Request access to a DWAN computer from your unit, and review documents on the their website about pers selection so that you have some understanding of the process. Your Platoon/troop WO/Comd should be able to arrange this for you.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on February 04, 2015, 14:00:28
Given that the section was transferred from one organization to another, it's still the same people doing thevwork.

I can safely say some people changed out in the posting season, my points of contact are completely different people now, and the old people are in another location without giving away any personnel information.

Also never let it be said that a change in organizational management structure cannot change the nature of a section, I'm seeing first hand a much better communication flow coming out of their cell this year as opposed to years previous.

All this is based on my first hand interactions mind you.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: krimynal on February 04, 2015, 14:07:18
My advice? Talk to the Sgt first, find out if he has an email chain and if the file has been transmitted to DMCPG. Request access to a DWAN computer from your unit, and review documents on the their website about pers selection so that you have some understanding of the process. Your Platoon/troop WO/Comd should be able to arrange this for you.

Yeah I spoke to him yesterday.  He told me he didn't get any info as of yet , tho the last time he heard from them was because they said the files should move starting February and March ....

so I guess I'll keep waiting a bit and ask back in like 1 or 2 weeks !
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: RandyCrust on February 12, 2015, 12:17:16
Hi a little about myself, I am a licensed 310T. Truck and Coach tech currently employed in civy land with a good job. I have been serving with a reserve svc bn for 4 years now and I really enjoy it but have always been in debate about going full time or not and would like to find some v techs that started as reservists and went reg if they thought it was everything they hoped it would be or not. I have completed bmq/ bmq land
luvw/ lsvw / hlvw driver wheel, I currently hold the rank of pte B because I have never been on eme common or any career courses. I had a plar done and I have been written off as a 5 qualified corporal just have to take an eme history test and it is finalized paperwork is already in for promotion, also in may 2012 I won the award for top reserve craftsman across canada and was flown to ottawa to bluebell with my co.  I am thinking going on tour is my next step in determining if I want to do this as a career or not look fwrd to any input available thanks for your time

I've done this and now am awaiting training so I can't answer your question but it is possible
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: PMedMoe on February 12, 2015, 12:25:03
I've done this and now am awaiting training so I can't answer your question but it is possible

OP was last active almost two years ago....
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DAA on February 12, 2015, 12:28:47
OP was last active almost two years ago....

That's okay, the OP is probably still waiting for the CT!      :rofl:
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on February 12, 2015, 17:27:06
That's okay, the OP is probably still waiting for the CT!      :rofl:

 Nah, it's an NCM trade, flies right through. Only a 1 year wait time usually  :nod:
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: krimynal on February 12, 2015, 17:59:19
NCM trades goes faster ?? ( yeah me ! ) lol
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on February 12, 2015, 18:15:26
NCM trades goes faster ?? ( yeah me ! ) lol
Sometimes they can, but really it's an individual thing. My response was jokingly in response to DAA's response, before these threads got merged. That being said, every officer CT I have seen (4 or so) has taken at least the length of the longest NCM one's I've seen (8) and usually much longer. This is strictly my experience though, and there's no factual information I have to back this up other then my own observations.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: runormal on February 19, 2015, 09:52:28
If a member decides that they wish change their trade from NCM -> Officer for  CT(U) do they need to resubmit their CT? I'll have my degree by the time I CT so need to worry about ROTP or any other entry program. The reason is ask is after I had medical and my eyesight went from V3 -> V4 I was no longer eligible for the trade I wanted to apply for and quickly jumped on a Navy Operator trade to keep my file open. I got my CC to email DCMPG-5 and within a few a days I had received an email stating that my file had been updated. After some discussions with family and friends and research over the holidays I decided that I would like to transfer over to an Officer trade. So again I got my CC to email DCMPG-5 on my behalf to change my trades around for a final time. It has now been a month and I haven't heard anything back. The other day I asked my CC and she said that "DCMPG-5 read it as I got the read receipt, but they haven't actioned on it". So what do I do? I don't want to annoy either my CC or DCMPG-5, however I would like to know that my request has been changed. I have no idea who my broker is otherwise I would just contact them directly.

Please advise.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: sidemount on February 19, 2015, 11:49:59
Annoy your CoC.....thats their job, to look after you.

I have no issues shaking the trees on behalf of the guys that work for me. I've seen way too much paperwork slip through the cracks to just sit back.

It should only take a short phonecall.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on February 19, 2015, 17:01:31
Annoy your CoC.....thats their job, to look after you.

I have no issues shaking the trees on behalf of the guys that work for me. I've seen way too much paperwork slip through the cracks to just sit back.


 Bloody well agreed.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DAA on February 19, 2015, 20:19:33
Annoy your CoC.....thats their job, to look after you.

It should only take a short phonecall.

It's a CT.  The CT process was taken out of the hands of the CoC years ago, because of the reasons the OP is experiencing.  It's between the CT applicant and their broker.  If they don't know who their broker is, then something is broken.  As far as I know and the last I heard/ventured into this realm, it's applicant to broker.

I don't understand why these people don't know who their broker is?  But I'm sure I will find out.......
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: sidemount on February 19, 2015, 20:34:40
It's a CT.  The CT process was taken out of the hands of the CoC years ago, because of the reasons the OP is experiencing.  It's between the CT applicant and their broker.  If they don't know who their broker is, then something is broken.  As far as I know and the last I heard/ventured into this realm, it's applicant to broker.

I don't understand why these people don't know who their broker is?  But I'm sure I will find out.......
And thats what I mean by engaging their CoC.....to get them that information of who their broker is from D mil C or whoever it is that looks after it. Then they can get in direct contact themselves.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DAA on February 19, 2015, 20:59:32
And thats what I mean by engaging their CoC.....to get them that information of who their broker is from D mil C or whoever it is that looks after it. Then they can get in direct contact themselves.

And how's engaging their CoC worked for them so far?   Keep in mind, that the application process for CT's was taken away from the CoC years ago due to submission issues.  So we are either now in a pendulum swing where the CoC has no vested interested in the members progress and couldn't care less or due to the time/distance factor, there is not sufficient corporate knowledge within the CoC to know whom to call or what to do.

It's a coin toss.........
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: sidemount on February 19, 2015, 21:18:04
And how's engaging their CoC worked for them so far?   Keep in mind, that the application process for CT's was taken away from the CoC years ago due to submission issues.  So we are either now in a pendulum swing where the CoC has no vested interested in the members progress and couldn't care less or due to the time/distance factor, there is not sufficient corporate knowledge within the CoC to know whom to call or what to do.

It's a coin toss.........

Fair enough, but the CoC should still be looking into it for the member, especially the chief clerk as they should know whom to call. It sounds like from the first post the member has only asked the Chief Clerk once, so going up a few more times should not be an issue, or at least the member can get the contact info and make the call themselves.

One thing that drives me about email, is when people ignore them (read receipts are key)....for things like this, I believe a phone call can be more productive.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: runormal on February 19, 2015, 21:32:57
My Coc has been very supportive throughout this whole process. My Chief Clerk is also really switched on IMO and has been extremely helpful throughout this and many other things for me and other members of the unit. I just don't want to bother the Chief Clerk as I know they are working on more pressing matters. Plus they did their part, they emailed DCMPG 5, DCMPG 5 read it but never responded. The change may have been actioned, it may not have who knows.   :facepalm:  Obviously at some point (A few weeks) i will need to email the CC again and ask them to follow up with DCMPG-5.

Just to shed some light when you apply all you get is this.

--------

"CONFIRMATION - RECEIPT OF COMPONENT TRANSFER (CT) APPLICATION

The Director Military Career Policy and Grievance (DMCPG 5-5) has received a component transfer request for Cpl XXXXXX

                  **PLEASE FOWARD THIS EMAIL TO YOUR CC**: Unless otherwise specified,  you will be the unit's point of contact  to assist the member with their component transfer.

      Attached, you will find a copy of your MPRR.
*       you must review for accuracy paying particular attention to Marital Status (Service spouse if applicable), address of your DF & E and dependants; and
                    *   You must submit any corrections to your unit chief clerk
                     *



It is extremely important that your Fitness test and Medical be valid at all times otherwise your Component Transfer application will be rejected during the review of your file and you will not transfer.

Additional information, updates or amendments to your file are to be sent to the following e-mail addresses only:

+DMCPG 5 CT@CMP DMCPG@Ottawa-Hull (disponible RED seulement)

 DMCPG_5_CT-DPGCM_5_ME@forces.gc.ca
(internet civile)

DMCPG 5-5
Component Transfer Section
NDHQ Ottawa
"

--------------------

Should you try and contact said email above you get a standard out of office Alert.


-------------------
"******Please be advised than only one application will be retained for each member. Any other applications will be automatically deleted. For any changes or update to your application, please send an email with your name and service number to our mail box: +DMCPG 5 CT@CMP DMCPG@Ottawa-Hull *****

Because of recent cutbacks we have lost some valuable personnel and for this reason your emails and applications will be answered by order of priority. Due to the volume of calls and email queries about individual CT file status, it is not possible to provide SITREPS at this time, if your file/application is selected for an offer, the assigned broker will contact you personally.  All questions relating to the status of your file will not be answered. Thank you for your patience and understanding"

---------------------------------

The only time I've emailed  that email was to say that my Chief Clerk was changing and gave a new name. They did respond and said my file was updated accordingly.

I applied back in March 2014 and this where I stand almost a year later.. It is frustrating, but it is what is.. I should note that my preferred transfer date isn't until 1/1/2016 as that is when I am done school. That is likely attributing to the speed in which stuff is being processed, but even my friends who are ideally looking to transfer in may, they've all heard nothing and we all applied around the same time.

Edit: missed a word
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DAA on February 19, 2015, 21:57:15
Every excuse they can think of...........
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: GreenWood on February 23, 2015, 18:58:04
Hello everyone, this is my first time posting on this site, but I have been an active reader since before I enrolled and completed BMQ, SQ and my trade course as an Armoured Soldier in the Res over a year ago.

My question is that after trying once again to get into school, while still getting good grade I just can't see myself having a civy job and lifestyle. I both enjoyed and loved my time away for over 3 months in Valcartier and would like to live a full-time life in the Forces.

Anyway after searching the forums I have found some answers but I am still unsure of the steps I need to take, so here are my questions:

I am currently working in the Army as an Armoured Soldier in the Reserves. The trade I am interested in is Air Weapons Systems Technician in the Airforce.

How is an element transfer done? and How does one submit a request to change from Army reserve to Air Force Reg Force?

Should I send a memo through my chain of command or should I go to the recruiting center on Slater st? (I live in Ottawa)


Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it!  :army:
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: dapaterson on February 23, 2015, 19:19:44
As a CAF member, you would have to apply for a Component Transfer from the Res F to the Reg F.  The Recruiting centre would not be involved.

Try using google for "site:army.ca/forums Component Transfer" and review the results.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: GreenWood on February 23, 2015, 19:28:50
Is the element transfer done at the same time as the component transfer?

Therefore all of this is done through my unit?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: runormal on February 23, 2015, 21:37:34
Is the element transfer done at the same time as the component transfer?

Therefore all of this is done through my unit?

There is a massive thread on this, which I imagine this thread will shortly be merged into.

http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,12797.0.html

Although some of the information is dated most of it is pretty relevant.

The process is extremely simple to start >:D. it is a 1 page document on the DWAN, you pick your trade, your deu preference, your contact information, your chief clerks contact information, preferred posting preference, entry plan (If applicable) and preferred transfer date.
I don't have the link handy but I'm sure it is in the thread, and it can easily be found on the DWAN. This is done at your unit.

To answer your question about switching elements or trades, it really makes no difference it is just as easy to submit a CT for ACISS -> ACISS as it is ACISS to Pilot.

If you are are having trouble ask your Chief Clerk for help.

 Once you submit your CT it is pretty much just a waiting game. In terms of how long it will take is anyone's guess. I know someone and her CT took only 3 months and I know others who took 2 years. The average I've seen is typically around a year, but this is a pretty small sample size (my unit and friends from courses).

Personally I'm almost at a year in waiting and haven't heard a thing.

Your mileage may vary.

Goodluck

Edit: added that it was done at your unit.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DAA on February 23, 2015, 21:55:14
Is the element transfer done at the same time as the component transfer?

Therefore all of this is done through my unit?

You need to do some more research/reading, you are mixing/don't understand terminology which tells me, you pretty much don't know what you are getting yourself into.  If you want to go Regular Force, you need to speak with your Res F Unit Orderly Room.  Hopefully, someone there will be able to get you going in the right direction.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: GreenWood on February 23, 2015, 21:56:31
Thanks a bunch runormal! Trade I'm asking a transfer for is in demand, hopefully that makes a difference in how long it takes!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: GreenWood on February 23, 2015, 22:00:49
@ DAA, What is wrong with my terminology? By element transfer I meant is the change that I will be doing from Army to Air force done automatically when I do my component transfer Res to Reg.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DAA on February 23, 2015, 22:47:07
@ DAA, What is wrong with my terminology? By element transfer I meant is the change that I will be doing from Army to Air force done automatically when I do my component transfer Res to Reg.

Element Transfer = change of uniform ONLY but remaining in the same occupation

Therefore, you are trying to accomplish a "Component Transfer", period.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: GreenWood on February 24, 2015, 07:38:11
@ DAA Thanks for clearing that up for me  :)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: krimynal on February 25, 2015, 15:04:07
I know that at least the CT side of things is working out a bit , since 4 people from my PRes Arty unit got some offer to transfer last week ( February 17th )
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Mike7788 on February 26, 2015, 14:19:57
Is there voluntary training in the summer that lasts most of it's months (Weapons for example for infantry or flying for example Pilot)? Is this training mandatory? Would this training be similar to the training done for officer's (Yes i'm aware not the same but the way it works) who are getting their education paid for by the forces?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on February 26, 2015, 15:16:22
Is there voluntary training in the summer that lasts most of it's months (Weapons for example for infantry or flying for example Pilot)? Is this training mandatory? Would this training be similar to the training done for officer's (Yes i'm aware not the same but the way it works) who are getting their education paid for by the forces?

 I think you're in the wrong thread, this doesn't seem topical and I"m unsure what you're asking.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: krimynal on February 26, 2015, 15:18:30
he's to busy to read , he posted 3-4 questions in one post ( saying he didn't have TIME to search the site ).

Someone told him that some of his answers could be answered here , so he basically copy/pasted some of his questions without bothering about anything. 

reason why I don't bother answering ....
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on February 26, 2015, 15:21:29
Ah, ack. Hopefully he or she sorts themselves out and finds the time to ask proper questions if they want members to spend time giving proper answers.  ::)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: GreenWood on March 01, 2015, 19:14:37
Quick question instead of starting a new thread.

If I'm a Pte asking for a CT will I have to redo my BMQ and SQ? ???
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: mariomike on March 01, 2015, 19:16:13
Quick question instead of starting a new thread.

If I'm a Pte asking for a CT will I have to redo my BMQ and SQ? ???

You could check / ask here:

Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=12797.0
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: GreenWood on March 01, 2015, 19:32:08
I have been in the reserves a little over a year, I have done BMQ, SQ and DP1 for Armoured Soldier.

My question is, will I have to redo both my BMQ if I transfer to Reg Force?

Thinking of joining for Air Weapons Systems Technician.

I know I should probably ask my unit, but figured I'd try and ask here first.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: GreenWood on March 01, 2015, 19:32:57
^ Thank you!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: mariomike on March 01, 2015, 19:34:47
^ Thank you!

Good luck with your CT.  :)

There is a massive thread on this, which I imagine this thread will shortly be merged into.
http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,12797.0.html



Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on March 04, 2015, 15:00:57
I have been in the reserves a little over a year, I have done BMQ, SQ and DP1 for Armoured Soldier.

My question is, will I have to redo both my BMQ if I transfer to Reg Force?

Thinking of joining for Air Weapons Systems Technician.

I know I should probably ask my unit, but figured I'd try and ask here first.

 Nearly impossible to tell. Usually BMQ is granted qual, but depends on your time in uniform and the boards feelings on you if they like you. I've never heard of someone having to redo bmq, but if you have less days in uniform then the total of a Reg Force BMQ over that year I could see it potentially being done.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: krimynal on March 05, 2015, 12:28:37
from what I've been told ( this is definitely not a 100% sure answer so take it or leave it ). Once you are trade qualified, you wouldn't have to redo BMQ.  You will be put on PAT until the next course for the desire trade starts ( and they clear the backlog ).  I am a Gunner in an arty unit.  Been there for a year and a half, applied for AWS Tech also.  What they told me is that , I wouldn't redo BMQ, but I'll go straight to Borden for the course over there ( maybe a stint in Trenton for the weeklong air-force class ).

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: GreenWood on March 05, 2015, 12:59:41
@krimynal Did you go through medical, interview and all that already? Geez a year and a half is long... Ah well, not much you can do about it I guess.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: krimynal on March 05, 2015, 13:35:49
No I've been in my unit for a year and a half , applied for my CT in September.  My Medical / Physical are all okay , so only need my interview .... but we never know , they might send me back to medical.

I'm still hoping for something to happen, I'm doing homeschool in maths also , because I didn't have the high maths they were required for the trade ...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on March 05, 2015, 19:54:15
Quote
( maybe a stint in Trenton for the weeklong air-force class ).

Basic Air Environmental Qualification.  BAEQ.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: GreenWood on March 05, 2015, 21:49:40
High math?

 The minimum required education to apply for this position is the completion of the provincial requirements for Grade 10 or Secondaire IV in Quebec including Grade 10 academic math or Math 426 in Quebec. Foreign education may be accepted.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: krimynal on March 05, 2015, 23:48:34
yeah well I only have 416 here in Quebec , so I'm doing 426 ( what I'm calling high maths ! )
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: runormal on March 06, 2015, 07:45:41
yeah well I only have 416 here in Quebec , so I'm doing 426 ( what I'm calling high maths ! )

Not sure how education works in Quebec, but if you have the time/money take as much math prior to reg force. It will likely be useful sometime down the road.

Cheers
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Eye In The Sky on March 06, 2015, 08:38:54
High math?

 The minimum required education to apply for this position is the completion of the provincial requirements for Grade 10 or Secondaire IV in Quebec including Grade 10 academic math or Math 426 in Quebec. Foreign education may be accepted.

Aiming for the minimums isnt usually the new COA from the "being competitive" angle IMO.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: krimynal on March 06, 2015, 10:38:13
Not sure how education works in Quebec, but if you have the time/money take as much math prior to reg force. It will likely be useful sometime down the road.

Cheers

yeah well , the jobs requires math 426 , so I'm rushing 426 right now , if I get them done and I'm not yet transferred I'll switch to 436 ( which are a bit better ) , if by then I'm still not transferred I might do 536 ... it all depends on the transfer !
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: runormal on March 06, 2015, 10:50:44
yeah well , the jobs requires math 426 , so I'm rushing 426 right now , if I get them done and I'm not yet transferred I'll switch to 436 ( which are a bit better ) , if by then I'm still not transferred I might do 536 ... it all depends on the transfer !

For sure, just do as much as you can while you still can. You don't want to be like some of my peers in first year of university. A bunch of us had to take a high school equivalent course for calculus, the average in both sections was 52% post final. The people who failed got kicked out school just like that. I got a D. :-[ You never know when it will come in handy.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: mack.wolf on March 09, 2015, 12:32:59
So I'm a PRes Infantry Candidate who is also a paramedic student, and due to the financial constraints presented by school, and the prompting of my superiors, I am seriously contemplating a C/OT to Med Tech. Successfully balancing school and Army training has been quite difficult, as my school has me on a payment plan, and I have to be in school Monday to Friday, 0830hrs to 1700hrs. I have been in the Reserves for almost 2 years, though I haven't completed my trades training, due to my school schedule. I am considering dropping out, completing my trades training, and waiting for my C/OT to go through. The other option is continue with school and hope for the best, and then put in a C/OT for Med Tech once I graduate. I would like some opinions and evidence.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: runormal on March 09, 2015, 13:31:55
Alright a few points.

Money - Have you put through an ILP yet (Individual Learning Plan?) The reserves should pay you back 2k /yr providing you are are in good standing (not NES). You need to put in your ILP right away, if you are trying to claim 13/14 as there is a chance you might not get it. (There are cut offs, not quite sure the dates, but do not delay on this).
If you absouletely need one you could get a line of credit. My ex got one with little hassle for 10k from her bank and she doesn't have to pay interested until she graduates. Might be something else to look into.


School - How long is you program? How much time have you invested so far? Is your school continous 12 months? I wouldn't advise dropping out under any circumstances IMO, unless you can take a semester off or something and then make it up afterwords.

CT/OT - Put it in now!! Regardless of what you plan to do you can put a preffered transfer date. There is no reason to get the ball rolling now as it does take time. The average I've seen within my unit/network of friends is roughly 1 year if it is same trade, 2 or so if it isn't. Granted this is an extremely small sample size. Myself and a few friends are looking at a year now, and we haven't heard a thing (Both Cting to different trades) other than they have recieved our application and they will contact us when they can. If you try to contact them they don't reply..

I wouldn't recomend dropping out unless you were planning on skipping the summer semester, doing your trades training and then pick it up in the fall.

Furthermore dropping out solely to go on your 3's is stupid. Course could be cancelled, you could get hurt and not get the qual, you could get kicked off the course. Even if you do pass your course all you are going to be is a class a/b Junkie until your CT goes through.

Based on what you said what I would do is.
1) Put in your ILP if not already done
2) Inquire with your school about the implications of taking the summer off to do your trades training. Assuming there are no major hiccups do it. Just to be safe register for summer classes and drop out of them once you get a CFTPO for the course / before the deadline to drop the courses and get your money back.
3) Put in your CT ASAP with a preffered transfer date of the expected graduation day.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: krimynal on March 11, 2015, 12:27:22
I can't wait until the CT moves a bit forward :( .... I really hate to be left in the dark.  I know it's how it is , I can't do anything about it other than wait.  But the wait is a killer lol ! I'm currently living on "what if".  It's hard on the couple right now ! hehe , sorry for the rant just had to get it out my chest haha !
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on March 11, 2015, 14:39:34
I can't wait until the CT moves a bit forward :( .... I really hate to be left in the dark.  I know it's how it is , I can't do anything about it other than wait.  But the wait is a killer lol ! I'm currently living on "what if".  It's hard on the couple right now ! hehe , sorry for the rant just had to get it out my chest haha !

It's almost April, you should know for this FY soon.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: krimynal on March 11, 2015, 14:46:41
I was wondering , is it realistic to think that AWS would be in big hiring mode.  With all that is happening everywhere as we speak.  It's been seen on the website that they are hiring a lot of people.  Would that lead the CT to be put up first , or we go after the people that come of the street ?

Do they fill the spots up with us in CT ? or we are the first choice and then they fill the spots with member applying for Reg forces without prior service ?

When I saw what was happening in Irak and everywhere , I was kind of hoping for a LOT of recruitment ... I know last year they had 6 People for CT ( which I think is REALLY not a lot ).
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on March 11, 2015, 14:51:49
I was wondering , is it realistic to think that AWS would be in big hiring mode.  With all that is happening everywhere as we speak.  It's been seen on the website that they are hiring a lot of people.  Would that lead the CT to be put up first , or we go after the people that come of the street ?

Do they fill the spots up with us in CT ? or we are the first choice and then they fill the spots with member applying for Reg forces without prior service ?

 That is a mouthful right there, according to CMP policy, CT's are supposed to have priority over hiring people untrained. In actuality this is not how that it works, there is an allotment that is considered to have appeased that, rather then establishing complete priority. I don't think anyone outside of DMCPG actually knows how it works...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: krimynal on March 11, 2015, 14:55:21
and lord knows how much DCMPG don't like to let you know how it works hahah ! just trying to find who my broker is because I had specific questions about my CT is basically a black hole lost in some kind of different universe.  I tried emailing them , Called my Chief clerk at my unit, sent an email to someone at the Recruitment center.  No one seems to know who's in charge of what and who does what....
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: dapaterson on March 11, 2015, 15:05:19
Do you meet the qualifications for your selected trade?  If not, then they will not look at your file until you do.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: krimynal on March 11, 2015, 15:10:08
I am currently doing my 426 Maths to meet the requirements , I have a very competitive file ( what the clerk at the recruiting center told me ).  But I don't know who I have to contact about me doing my maths ? who do I give my followup ? who do I contact ? do I simply send the email back to DMCPG ? or should I inform someone in particular ???

some people told me that they might not even check my maths .... I'm doing them part time right now , but if it's the only thing .... I'll just drop my job , and do it full time and get them done in 3 weeks .....

I was trying to contact someone on that exactly ...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on March 11, 2015, 16:22:12
I was trying to contact someone on that exactly ...

I feel your pain, as someone in the NCR, it's a weekly struggle to resist the urge to walk over to them and see them in person and ask about files...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: krimynal on March 11, 2015, 18:01:24
I'm debating the 2 options right now really really really hard. 

option 1 ) Drop my current full time job ( I don't like it really much but it pays the bills ) , do my Maths full time ( try to do it in 1 month ) , hope for the best to get selected this year .....

option 2 ) stay at my job , try to do my maths as fast as I can on my own ( probably going to be more around 2-3 months ) , but pass on getting selected this year .....

I want to switch to reg forces so bad ... I always knew I wanted to join the reg forces ( Personal reason on why I decided to join the reserve first ).  Ever since I got out of DP1 I asked for a switch.  Now knowing that they are not looking at my files until I get my maths done basically knocked me out ... I got told that they would offer me a job AT THE CONDITION to complete my maths before switching.  So I figured once I get that offer I'll drop everything , complete the maths and that's it .... sadly I was mistaken .....

Now I'm at a crossroad and I don't know what to do ...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: milnews.ca on March 11, 2015, 18:10:50
I'm debating the 2 options right now really really really hard. 

option 1 ) Drop my current full time job ( I don't like it really much but it pays the bills ) , do my Maths full time ( try to do it in 1 month ) , hope for the best to get selected this year .....

option 2 ) stay at my job , try to do my maths as fast as I can on my own ( probably going to be more around 2-3 months ) , but pass on getting selected this year .....

I want to switch to reg forces so bad ... I always knew I wanted to join the reg forces ( Personal reason on why I decided to join the reserve first ).  Ever since I got out of DP1 I asked for a switch.  Now knowing that they are not looking at my files until I get my maths done basically knocked me out ... I got told that they would offer me a job AT THE CONDITION to complete my maths before switching.  So I figured once I get that offer I'll drop everything , complete the maths and that's it .... sadly I was mistaken .....

Now I'm at a crossroad and I don't know what to do ...
You need the math, one way or another, to get to where you want to be.

Your choices, then, are to either:
1) keep paying the bills while taking a few months to get the math done and keep getting some Reserve pay, with (as far as I can tell) no idea how long a transfer might take, or
2) quit your job and do the maths quicker and keep getting some Reserve pay, with (as far as I can tell) no idea how long a transfer might take.

Anything I'm missing?

Good luck with your work.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: krimynal on March 12, 2015, 12:27:11
well I decided to drop my full time job , found a full time school , applied this morning , starting next Monday full time student to do my Maths ASAP ! ( 30hrs a week of Maths but hey we need to do it ! ) I'm trying to complete them for the end of April.  Not going to be easy , but what's life without any challenges !!!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: GreenWood on March 12, 2015, 12:29:55
^ Best of luck
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: krimynal on March 12, 2015, 12:39:49
does anyone know if I should call them / email them with inputs on where I am at ? or simply contact them once I'm done with the course ?

also , where do I call / email ??

DMCPG ? will they ever call me back or ?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on March 12, 2015, 13:33:44
does anyone know if I should call them / email them with inputs on where I am at ? or simply contact them once I'm done with the course ?

also , where do I call / email ??

DMCPG ? will they ever call me back or ?

 I honestly don't know. Like I said, it's a fight with temptation to go over there in person every week.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: runormal on March 15, 2015, 12:48:36
does anyone know if I should call them / email them with inputs on where I am at ? or simply contact them once I'm done with the course ?

also , where do I call / email ??

DMCPG ? will they ever call me back or ?

What I'd recommend is get it on your MPPR ASAP once it is completed and just get your CC to contact DCMPG-5 and send them a pdf of your certificate/transcript.

Best of luck
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: JS2218 on March 15, 2015, 13:49:39
does anyone know if I should call them / email them with inputs on where I am at ? or simply contact them once I'm done with the course ?

also , where do I call / email ??

DMCPG ? will they ever call me back or ?

DMCPG_5_CT-DPGCM_5_ME@forces.gc.ca
613-947-2210
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on March 16, 2015, 14:00:50
DMCPG_5_CT-DPGCM_5_ME@forces.gc.ca
613-947-2210

 The issue isn't finding the contact information, it's that DMCPG is so overloaded with case files that they will not, as a published rule, respond to any inqueries from applicants.

In fact, if you send an email to their general open box it used to state exactly that. Though I don't know if it still does.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: runormal on March 16, 2015, 18:19:58
The issue isn't finding the contact information, it's that DMCPG is so overloaded with case files that they will not, as a published rule, respond to any inqueries from applicants.

In fact, if you send an email to their general open box it used to state exactly that. Though I don't know if it still does.

It does, or did as of a few months ago, I can`t see that going away until they get it under control. Which could be anyone's guess.

What is frustrating is that it would take minutes to set up a mail merge to contact all applicants of trade X to say "Sorry we have reached our targets for CT(T)/CT(U) for Trade X for the FY, if you were not contacted you will have to wait until next FY. However we still need applicants for trades A,B,C if you are interested for any of these trades please contact Sgt XXXX to modify your application".

At least then applicants wouldn't be left in the dark..



Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Hatchet Man on March 16, 2015, 19:48:20
It does, or did as of a few months ago, I can`t see that going away until they get it under control. Which could be anyone's guess.

What is frustrating is that it would take minutes to set up a mail merge to contact all applicants of trade X to say "Sorry we have reached our targets for CT(T)/CT(U) for Trade X for the FY, if you were not contacted you will have to wait until next FY. However we still need applicants for trades A,B,C if you are interested for any of these trades please contact Sgt XXXX to modify your application".

At least then applicants wouldn't be left in the dark..

Common sense and logic do not exist in government bureaucracy.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: vatchmaster on March 17, 2015, 07:51:53
Hello, I'm a combat engineer in the reserve and I applied ACST (aircraft structure technician) Reg force 7 months ago. I recieved my confirmation email about 5 months ago but havent been called for the interview yet, I know this is normal. This is my first post here. My questions;
1- Is ACST a limited enrollment program? ;
2- Should I pass the linguistic test and can it speed up the process(I'm french)? ;
3- If you've had a similar situation, how long did it take(I know that my demand might take a few year)? ;
4- Can I get update on my demand and if yes, where? I've already called the recruiting center and they told me they're not in charge ;
5- can my previous school training accelerate the process? I'm a machinist and a welder.

Thank you!     
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on March 17, 2015, 10:43:56
Hello, I'm a combat engineer in the reserve and I applied ACST (aircraft structure technician) Reg force 7 months ago. I recieved my confirmation email about 5 months ago but havent been called for the interview yet, I know this is normal. This is my first post here. My questions;
1- Is ACST a limited enrollment program? ;
2- Should I pass the linguistic test and can it speed up the process(I'm french)? ;
3- If you've had a similar situation, how long did it take(I know that my demand might take a few year)? ;
4- Can I get update on my demand and if yes, where? I've already called the recruiting center and they told me they're not in charge ;
5- can my previous school training accelerate the process? I'm a machinist and a welder.
Thank you!     

I'll answer what I can:
1. I have no idea.
2. No it will not speed up your application, but should add more weight to it if you have a bilingual profile as it takes away posting limitations. (Hope you like Baggotville)
3. It can be as short as a few months, to multiple years. It's a very case by case basis.
4. If I were you I'd take the time to read the 5 posts before yours as they are talking directly about this.
5. Again nothing will accellerate the process, they will just add strength to your profile when they consider it against other applicants.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: runormal on March 17, 2015, 11:02:36
I'll answer what I can:
1. I have no idea.
2. No it will not speed up your application, but should add more weight to it if you have a bilingual profile as it takes away posting limitations. (Hope you like Baggotville)
3. It can be as short as a few months, to multiple years. It's a very case by case basis.
4. If I were you I'd take the time to read the 5 posts before yours as they are talking directly about this.
5. Again nothing will accellerate the process, they will just add strength to your profile when they consider it against other applicants.

I am by no means an expert, but then by that very logic would it not make sense to become bilingual? IF Baggotville is at strength or above strength for ACST then why would they process his application. Or IF they aren't running a French dp1/ql3 for ACST until 2016 then why would DCMPG-5 waste time and resources processing that application? Wouldn't becoming bilingual indirectly speed up his application as the applicant is now eligible to be posted anywhere?

I don't see why wouldn't improve your English and/or pass the linguistic test if it is realistic for you to do so, but again that is just my 5 cents.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on March 17, 2015, 11:11:22
I don't see why wouldn't improve your English and/or pass the linguistic test if it is realistic for you to do so, but again that is just my 5 cents.

Their application would still be processed at the same speed, but they would have more chance of getting in yes. Hence the "add more weight to it" comment. Hell if I could get on SLT I would do so right now, but I've been told my Unit can't spare me for me to do the 6 hours a week part time SLT so heh, DUOLINGO pour moi!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: vatchmaster on March 17, 2015, 13:06:32
thanks again for your answers, the reason I was wondering about the linguistic test is that someone told me that you cannot take the test if your not permanent. So as a reservist, I dont know how I can get a rendez-vous.. Now that I know it really worth it, Ill do what I can to get it.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on March 17, 2015, 13:28:09
thanks again for your answers, the reason I was wondering about the linguistic test is that someone told me that you cannot take the test if your not permanent. So as a reservist, I dont know how I can get a rendez-vous.. Now that I know it really worth it, Ill do what I can to get it.

 I believe there is a way, I don't know what it is. Some REO positions require bilingualism, as such you must be "ABLE" to be tested, question is how to arrange it. Your Divisions G7 probably will have the answer, but go through your CoC.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on March 18, 2015, 12:08:29
So I just got off the phone with my broker, fantastic meeting and have a few ammendments to my previous comments.
They apparently no longer review trades by boards, but by checklist and by seniority of the request. You are either qualified or you are not. If they deem you not suitable then you are red, suitable awaiting substansiation (IE a Plar) you are yellow and sit in your seniority spot until you substansiate, or good to go you are green.

 If you are green, you are given the first offer that comes along in order of seniority of application. Note this is not seniority of when you turn green, but when you are considered qualified in trade or suitable for rotp etc...

New fiscal year in April! Good luck everyone!

*Edit, also they are apparently in meetings right now for updating all the online information to reflect the current process!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: GreenWood on March 18, 2015, 14:46:57
If I have all my BMQ, SQ and DP1 in another trade and my CFAT meets the requirements of the new trade I'm asking a CT too. Would that give me seniority over most?
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on March 18, 2015, 14:51:06
If I have all my BMQ, SQ and DP1 in another trade and my CFAT meets the requirements of the new trade I'm asking a CT too. Would that give me seniority over most?

No it wouldn't the list of criteria, from what I was told, goes against the trade you are trying to enter into. You would have a yellow place on the line until you are able to substansiate your entire file for PLAR equivilancies. You would be whatever seniority your application was received at against any other comers for a position being opened for unqualified personnel.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: GreenWood on March 18, 2015, 14:57:40
No it wouldn't the list of criteria, from what I was told, goes against the trade you are trying to enter into. You would have a yellow place on the line until you are able to substansiate your entire file for PLAR equivilancies. You would be whatever seniority your application was received at against any other comers for a position being opened for unqualified personnel.

Not even my BMQ gives me an advantage over civies trying to get in that trade?

Thanks for the answer btw!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on March 18, 2015, 15:07:00
Not even my BMQ gives me an advantage over civies trying to get in that trade?

Thanks for the answer btw!

 It does, your BMQ and your DP1 in your current trade is what qualifies you to be ABLE to CT/OT. Without it you would have to remuster and enroll fresh. This cuts out a good 30% of the application process such as the apptitude test etc... Additionally, in accordance with the QR&Os you have precedent over untrained civilians, however in practice that is done by issuing an allotment of slots to Component transfers from my understanding. It is among those that your seniority is based upon the date of filing your component transfer.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: GreenWood on March 18, 2015, 15:08:21
Understood, thanks for clearing that up!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: GreenWood on March 26, 2015, 09:12:03
Is it normal that I haven't heard from anyone since I put in my CT (Almost a month ago)? I don't even know if I have a broker, only received the automated email.

Thank you
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on March 26, 2015, 10:03:15
Is it normal that I haven't heard from anyone since I put in my CT (Almost a month ago)? I don't even know if I have a broker, only received the automated email.

Thank you

Usually the person identified as the unit contact or yourself receives an "application received" email. I think a copy was posted somewhere earlier in the thread. Realistically, nothing's going to start processing until April and the new Fiscal year. If you want to be safe send an email to their open box just looking for confirmation of your file being received. Make sure the subject line is clear as they are likely to only skim the content at this moment in time.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: GreenWood on March 26, 2015, 10:05:04
^Will do, thanks for the quick response and information.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Habs on March 26, 2015, 13:12:53
Is it normal that I haven't heard from anyone since I put in my CT (Almost a month ago)? I don't even know if I have a broker, only received the automated email.

Thank you

Lol.

You're in for a painful wait if one month is getting to you.

I've had my CT in since Aug 2013 and only JUST in the past couple of days got a broker assigned and my interview booked.

If you haven't heard anything yet, I'm thinking you won't until the NEXT fiscal year. (April 2016)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: runormal on March 26, 2015, 13:31:19
Lol.

You're in for a painful wait if one month is getting to you.

I've had my CT in since Aug 2013 and only JUST in the past couple of days got a broker assigned and my interview booked.

If you haven't heard anything yet, I'm thinking you won't until the NEXT fiscal year. (April 2016)

I'll further echo these statements. I know numerous people who put CT's back in early 2014. It took us all roughly 6 months to get the ack that our file was rcvd and none of us have heard anything else.

Time will tell.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: GreenWood on March 26, 2015, 13:57:55
^ Thanks I just wasn't sure if I was supposed to hear from a broker after the initial automated message, I guess I wont.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: vatchmaster on March 27, 2015, 09:56:16
Does anyone know how to change a CT ? Ive emailed them(DCMPG-5) and they told me to do it online which I guest is here; http://cmp-cpm.forces.mil.ca/dgmc/pg/iss-si/ct-tee/ct-app-tee-fra.asp but will it reset my other demand ? I just want to add another trade to my CT not cancel my last one.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: runormal on March 27, 2015, 10:00:55
Does anyone know how to change a CT ? Ive emailed them(DCMPG-5) and they told me to do it online which I guest is here; http://cmp-cpm.forces.mil.ca/dgmc/pg/iss-si/ct-tee/ct-app-tee-fra.asp but will it reset my other demand ? I just want to add another trade to my CT not cancel my last one.

Weird, when I had to change my trade they said noted file has been updated...

Furthermore the out of office says, only one application will be retained for the member and all future applications will be deleted...

This is all based on an experience in October 2014. So it may have changed...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: vatchmaster on March 27, 2015, 10:34:39
oh ok so I wont change it then, my first choice still is my first choice!
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: JS2218 on March 28, 2015, 09:06:28
I'll further echo these statements. I know numerous people who put CT's back in early 2014. It took us all roughly 6 months to get the ack that our file was rcvd and none of us have heard anything else.

Time will tell.

My CT has been in since October 2012. Heard nothing other than that they've received my file.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: runormal on March 28, 2015, 09:40:32
My CT has been in since October 2012. Heard nothing other than that they've received my file.

What's your trade that you are going into that's a pretty excessive amount of time..
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: JS2218 on March 28, 2015, 09:48:43
What's your trade that you are going into that's a pretty excessive amount of time..

RMS Clk (already trained).
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on March 30, 2015, 14:53:03
RMS Clk (already trained).

Have you followed up at all, that seems excessive...
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: krimynal on March 31, 2015, 00:35:41
i've had someone in my unit that transfered to RMS Clerk , it took 4 years ......
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: JS2218 on April 11, 2015, 09:15:46
Have you followed up at all, that seems excessive...

Of course I've followed up. It's been a mixture of no response and "we'll look into that for you."
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: lilfip66 on April 15, 2015, 01:02:30
Hi Guys I'm from halifax and a reservist supply tech. I applied to the reg force last (feb 2014) I have a broker and am 5s qualified. I was told today from my Broker who is a captain that my file has been sent to my new broker , who is a mcpl. I emailed her and she sent an auto reply saying she is currently busy sending out component transfer offers. Does this mean I am most likely going to receive an offer?  Also what are the chances that I will get halifax as my posting since I live there and positions are open.

Thanks
Lilflip

**I recently completed my 5s in feb 2015 and was told that my file has been moved into the trained files for completion I have been in since 2008
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: LunchMeat on April 15, 2015, 01:59:56
I am a Res QL3 qualified Res MP, to CT over to Reg MP will I still need to fulfill the Education requirement normally applicable to public applicants to Reg MP? I was recruited to the Res MP under an Emergency Recruiting Order and was given an Education Waiver.

I do realize I will have to repeat QL3 which is what I'm after as as a Reservist, it is hard to get on the Reg QL3 to qualify and be a sworn/badged federal Peace Officer.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DAA on April 15, 2015, 10:32:10
I am a Res QL3 qualified Res MP, to CT over to Reg MP will I still need to fulfill the Education requirement normally applicable to public applicants to Reg MP? I was recruited to the Res MP under an Emergency Recruiting Order and was given an Education Waiver.

I do realize I will have to repeat QL3 which is what I'm after as as a Reservist, it is hard to get on the Reg QL3 to qualify and be a sworn/badged federal Peace Officer.

Thanks.

The absolute bare minimum in a case like yours (ie; CT Applicant and current serving P Res MP) is..........

Secondary school graduation certificate or a secondary V certificate of Quebec
 
AND
• Two full courses from any program from an approved post-secondary institution (ie; from Law and Security, Police Foundations, etc)
 
OR
• Two university credit courses completed (in Quebec, four (4) university courses of three (3) credits) in one or more of the following areas:
o Criminal Justice
o Criminology
o Emergency/Crisis and Disaster Management
o Justice Studies
o Law
o Police Science/Studies
o Psychology
o Sécurité Publique (Quebec)
o Sociology
 
Have a valid provincial/territorial driver’s license
 
AND
• Must have attained the Operationally Functional Point (OFP) for MP 00161 in the P Res
 
AND
• Deployed operational experience (international or domestic) of at least six (6) months cumulative
 
OR
• Must be qualified as a Close Protection Operative (AGGB)
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: LunchMeat on April 15, 2015, 13:55:32
The absolute bare minimum in a case like yours (ie; CT Applicant and current serving P Res MP) is..........

Secondary school graduation certificate or a secondary V certificate of Quebec
 
AND
• Two full courses from any program from an approved post-secondary institution (ie; from Law and Security, Police Foundations, etc)
 
OR
• Two university credit courses completed (in Quebec, four (4) university courses of three (3) credits) in one or more of the following areas:
o Criminal Justice
o Criminology
o Emergency/Crisis and Disaster Management
o Justice Studies
o Law
o Police Science/Studies
o Psychology
o Sécurité Publique (Quebec)
o Sociology
 
Have a valid provincial/territorial driver’s license
 
AND
• Must have attained the Operationally Functional Point (OFP) for MP 00161 in the P Res
 
AND
• Deployed operational experience (international or domestic) of at least six (6) months cumulative
 
OR
• Must be qualified as a Close Protection Operative (AGGB)


Wow. Well that answers that question hahaha.

Thanks DAA
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DAA on April 15, 2015, 13:59:38
Wow. Well that answers that question hahaha.

Thanks DAA

MP is a tough occupation to get into these days.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: lilfip66 on April 15, 2015, 16:18:52
Hi Guys I'm from halifax and a reservist supply tech. I applied to the reg force last (feb 2014) I have a broker and am 5s qualified. I was told today from my Broker who is a captain that my file has been sent to my new broker , who is a mcpl. I emailed her and she sent an auto reply saying she is currently busy sending out component transfer offers. Does this mean I am most likely going to receive an offer?  Also what are the chances that I will get halifax as my posting since I live there and positions are open.

Thanks
Lilflip

**I recently completed my 5s in feb 2015 and was told that my file has been moved into the trained files for completion I have been in since 2008
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NFLD Sapper on April 15, 2015, 16:28:10
Hi Guys I'm from halifax and a reservist supply tech. I applied to the reg force last (feb 2014) I have a broker and am 5s qualified. I was told today from my Broker who is a captain that my file has been sent to my new broker , who is a mcpl. I emailed her and she sent an auto reply saying she is currently busy sending out component transfer offers. Does this mean I am most likely going to receive an offer?  Also what are the chances that I will get halifax as my posting since I live there and positions are open.

Thanks
Lilflip

**I recently completed my 5s in feb 2015 and was told that my file has been moved into the trained files for completion I have been in since 2008

No need to post this more than once, especially in the same thread.....

MILNET.CA MENTOR
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: runormal on April 15, 2015, 17:52:19
Hi Guys I'm from halifax and a reservist supply tech. I applied to the reg force last (feb 2014) I have a broker and am 5s qualified. I was told today from my Broker who is a captain that my file has been sent to my new broker , who is a mcpl. I emailed her and she sent an auto reply saying she is currently busy sending out component transfer offers. Does this mean I am most likely going to receive an offer?  Also what are the chances that I will get halifax as my posting since I live there and positions are open.

Thanks
Lilflip

**I recently completed my 5s in feb 2015 and was told that my file has been moved into the trained files for completion I have been in since 2008

The reason no one is replying is because no one has a clue. It is a small understaffed department that has a huge responsibility. To me, yes it sounds good that you got moved given, the brokers out office alert. Will you get an offer soon? No one knows, the last few pages have been of people discussing the process and how we wish there was more transparency in the process.

As per where will you get posted, no one knows. Do they need QL5'ED supply techs in Halifax? I have no idea. You'll go wherever you are needed. In my trade I have friends who been posted to Cold Lake, Pet and Wainwright. There really isn't a way to say for sure.  Furthermore I have had friends try to get a different location/unit and have been told more or less "this is the offer take it or we will delete your application".

Good luck, and please let us know if you hear anything.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: LunchMeat on April 15, 2015, 19:36:32
MP is a tough occupation to get into these days.

I honestly had no idea that it was that tight for someone like myself, already in and partially trained, I have my Security clearance and MPAC.

Well, that's honestly a bit of a let down. I'm looking for a change of pace, and layoffs are becoming frequent in Alberta. My own fate is sealed.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DAA on April 15, 2015, 21:33:49
I honestly had no idea that it was that tight for someone like myself, already in and partially trained, I have my Security clearance and MPAC.

Well, that's honestly a bit of a let down. I'm looking for a change of pace, and layoffs are becoming frequent in Alberta. My own fate is sealed.

You will never know your "true" fate, until you submit your CT application.  If you don't meet the entry standards, they should tell you right from the start.  In the mean time, if you are really interested in doing a CT, then you know what will be expected of you.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: runormal on April 15, 2015, 22:14:35
You will never know your "true" fate, until you submit your CT application.  If you don't meet the entry standards, they should tell you right from the start.  In the mean time, if you area really interested in doing a CT, then you know what will be expected of you.

I'm curious if there is a stipulation to putting a CT in for an officer trade w/o a completed a degree. I'm a fourth student and due to switching majors I am 6 classes behind.  I could easily graduate by the end of the summer if required and all my ducks are in a row that if I needed to do the last few courses online that would also be a possibility.

Can I apply for CT/OT(U) to MARS O without a completed Degree? I know my MPRR says I'm only in second year University as there isn't a point to pay for another official transcript until I graduate. I'm just curious if this would essentially put my file in a black hole never to be found. I know off the street candidates can submit a request to DEO in there last year of studies and that is normal, however I'm not sure if the same thing applies to CT. I did a quick site search and couldn't find anything. To further compound things I'm not even sure what my entry plan is. I initially applied for AESOP but after my vision went from V3 - V4 I got my trade changed to MARS... Fun times nonetheless  >:D
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: LunchMeat on April 15, 2015, 22:57:13
You will never know your "true" fate, until you submit your CT application.  If you don't meet the entry standards, they should tell you right from the start.  In the mean time, if you area really interested in doing a CT, then you know what will be expected of you.

I was actually referring to my civilian employment. I'm getting axed as of 01 May, but I understand.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Alberta Bound on April 15, 2015, 23:33:29
Redcap C

If interested the RCMP is looking at full troops this year (just under 1000 cadets) going through Depot with an expectation that Alberta will get over 300 of those graduates. Majority of the rest will be going to BC.

Plus you can stay in the PRes (just not MP) if you wish.   

**shameless recruiting plug**

AB



Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: LunchMeat on April 16, 2015, 01:04:46
Redcap C

If interested the RCMP is looking at full troops this year (just under 1000 cadets) going through Depot with an expectation that Alberta will get over 300 of those graduates. Majority of the rest will be going to BC.

Plus you can stay in the PRes (just not MP) if you wish.   

**shameless recruiting plug**

AB

I will definitely keep that in mind. Thank you
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DAA on April 16, 2015, 09:45:22
I'm curious if there is a stipulation to putting a CT in for an officer trade w/o a completed a degree. I'm a fourth student and due to switching majors I am 6 classes behind.  I could easily graduate by the end of the summer if required and all my ducks are in a row that if I needed to do the last few courses online that would also be a possibility.

Can I apply for CT/OT(U) to MARS O without a completed Degree? I know my MPRR says I'm only in second year University as there isn't a point to pay for another official transcript until I graduate. I'm just curious if this would essentially put my file in a black hole never to be found. I know off the street candidates can submit a request to DEO in there last year of studies and that is normal, however I'm not sure if the same thing applies to CT. I did a quick site search and couldn't find anything. To further compound things I'm not even sure what my entry plan is. I initially applied for AESOP but after my vision went from V3 - V4 I got my trade changed to MARS... Fun times nonetheless  >:D

Hard to say whether or not DMCPG would process you prior to completion of your degree as when it comes to Officer occupation, they usually deal with CT's that involved subsidized education entry plans (ie; ROTP).  If there is a NAVRES Unit in your local area you might want to inquire with them about RESO.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: runormal on April 16, 2015, 12:21:01
Hard to say whether or not DMCPG would process you prior to completion of your degree as when it comes to Officer occupation, they usually deal with CT's that involved subsidized education entry plans (ie; ROTP).  If there is a NAVRES Unit in your local area you might want to inquire with them about RESO.

Hmm thanks DAA for the input. I'm going to go with likely not, as I'm sure they have a countless of applicants with completed degrees. Once I figure out 100% what I want to do I'll "Shake the trees" at DMCPG 5. I Keep bouncing between NAV COMM/NESOP and MARS. There is a NAV RES unit in the area however after seeing how long it has taken a member within my unit to change trades I'm not sure if I want to pursue a trade + unit transfer. After exams are finished I might call them up as well as go down to the recruiting center again.

I've talked to different people as well as read the 20 page thread on here between Officer/NCM and I still am not 100% sure. I've had a hard time actually meeting up with people in the navy. I'm meeting up with friends dad soon who was a commander in the navy to hopefully get some more information. I may also post on here to see if anyone wants to meet up for a few beers after work.

Thanks for all of the help DAA,

Cheers :cheers:
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: DAA on April 16, 2015, 12:54:51
Hard to say whether or not DMCPG would process you prior to completion of your degree as when it comes to Officer occupations, they usually deal with CT's that involve subsidized education entry plans (ie; ROTP).  If there is a NAVRES Unit in your local area you might want to inquire with them about RESO.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: runormal on April 29, 2015, 11:00:26
It does, or did as of a few months ago, I can`t see that going away until they get it under control. Which could be anyone's guess.

What is frustrating is that it would take minutes to set up a mail merge to contact all applicants of trade X to say "Sorry we have reached our targets for CT(T)/CT(U) for Trade X for the FY, if you were not contacted you will have to wait until next FY. However we still need applicants for trades A,B,C if you are interested for any of these trades please contact Sgt XXXX to modify your application".

At least then applicants wouldn't be left in the dark..

Evidently this does happen  ;D

"We currently have no intake for MARS officer or Log Officer this FY, as well priority for CT is based on application date and currently both trades you have requested have a lengthy list.

Your options are:"

Not exactly the email I wanted to receive, but I'd rather hear this than nothing at all.

I'm going to think this over for a few days and go from there.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: lilfip66 on May 17, 2015, 09:15:35
Got an offer for Cfsu ottawa !
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Soldier2112 on July 05, 2015, 16:40:06
Greetings,

I am currently applying to become an officer in the CF. How common is it for Reservist officers to transition into the Regular Force? Is it a difficult and/or lengthy process? Does it depend on what your trade is?

Thank you.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: runormal on July 05, 2015, 16:59:30
http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,12797.0.html

There is the mega thread ^

As per your questions.

How common is it for Reservist officers to transition into the Regular Force?
It happens, there is a guy in my unit leaving shortly. I don't have a number for you but yes it does happen. I know another friend who got so fed up waiting for a spot to open up (granted an untrained applicant) that he is now in the RCMP.

 Is it a difficult and/or lengthy process?
Difficult, No. You put in your transfer application and wait until they contact you to book an interview.
Lengthy? Your Mile May vary. See below.

Does it depend on what your trade is?
Yes 100% it matters on your trade. If you are trying to CT to a trade and they don't need anyone in that trade you will wait until a spot opens upon up. Keep me in mind there are going to be people ahead of you. Also if you want to change your trade or aren't fully qualified in your current trade, then that will also slow down the process.

Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: NSDreamer on August 06, 2015, 10:30:40
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Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Shrek1985 on August 08, 2015, 09:59:53
I'm in touch with my BPSO, but he's class-A, very busy and I rarely hear back from him.

I feel like I need to look at alternatives, but i find the descriptions of trades online to be lackluster and the requirements and prerequisites indecipherable.

Where can i find a person or resource to explain to me what each job really is and what; in plain english, the requirements for the trade are.

I am feeling like I have just wasted my life getting an education.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: runormal on August 09, 2015, 09:22:25
I believe you have a BA in History (based on your posting history).

What you could do (which is playing with fire) is look up on the forces.ca website through a web archive and see what it says. I'm not sure when it was changed, but when I last seriously looked at officer occupations was 2011, I'm not sure when they stripped the information but a 2011 date will work.

For example it used to say the following for Engineer Officer.

FORMAL QUALIFICATIONS

"The preferred degree is a Bachelor of Civil, Mechanical, or Electrical (Power) Engineering. A Bachelor degree in Science (Applied), Math, Physics, Chemical/Fuels and Materials, Fire Protection, Nuclear, Geomatics/Survey Engineering or Engineering Management may also be considered. Occasionally applicants with a three-year Community College Technology Diploma in Architectural Engineering, Water and Air Resources, Heating and Air Conditioning, Civil Engineering, Communication Engineering, or Mechanical Engineering are considered. "

http://web.archive.org/web/20110820200933/http://www.forces.ca/en/job/engineeringofficer-21

It may not be a bad idea to test the waters on the website through the web archive, go to the CFRC and confirm your findings. From what I remember your options if you don't have some sort of Science/Engineering degree are extremely limiting. (Combat Arms, Pilot, ACSO, possibly LOG, MARS, INT and maybe MPO). Thought it likely has changed since 2011.....

For your CT itself, don't resubmit it just email your broker and say I would like to add Trade X and Y to my application. They can monitor 3 trades (essentially put your name in a queue) but they can only actively process you for one trade at a time. Your CT preference is based on the date you apply, and then they just go down the list. 

From a recent email (April 2015) from my broker MARS and LOG have a long wait.  ;D

Option B) Keep the CT active and apply internally to the federal government. With the new veterans employment active we can apply internally (Providing you have 3 years of service). Just create and an account on jobs.gc.ca and input your service number and within a few days you should have access to the internal jobs. (Coast guard, CSIS, Public Safety etc). However if you don't meet the essential requirements you are wasting your time applying for a job.

Option C) Find and NCM trade you'd be happy with (but you'll still have to wait a fair amount of time a year or two).

Do yourself a favour look up the SIP on the DWAN you can see the projections for the officer intake for the next 5 years. (At least you could on the 14/15 SIP. I haven't even looked at the 15/16 sip.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Shrek1985 on August 12, 2015, 09:41:38
I believe you have a BA in History (based on your posting history).

What you could do (which is playing with fire) is look up on the forces.ca website through a web archive and see what it says. I'm not sure when it was changed, but when I last seriously looked at officer occupations was 2011, I'm not sure when they stripped the information but a 2011 date will work.

For example it used to say the following for Engineer Officer.

FORMAL QUALIFICATIONS

"The preferred degree is a Bachelor of Civil, Mechanical, or Electrical (Power) Engineering. A Bachelor degree in Science (Applied), Math, Physics, Chemical/Fuels and Materials, Fire Protection, Nuclear, Geomatics/Survey Engineering or Engineering Management may also be considered. Occasionally applicants with a three-year Community College Technology Diploma in Architectural Engineering, Water and Air Resources, Heating and Air Conditioning, Civil Engineering, Communication Engineering, or Mechanical Engineering are considered. "

http://web.archive.org/web/20110820200933/http://www.forces.ca/en/job/engineeringofficer-21

It may not be a bad idea to test the waters on the website through the web archive, go to the CFRC and confirm your findings. From what I remember your options if you don't have some sort of Science/Engineering degree are extremely limiting. (Combat Arms, Pilot, ACSO, possibly LOG, MARS, INT and maybe MPO). Thought it likely has changed since 2011.....

For your CT itself, don't resubmit it just email your broker and say I would like to add Trade X and Y to my application. They can monitor 3 trades (essentially put your name in a queue) but they can only actively process you for one trade at a time. Your CT preference is based on the date you apply, and then they just go down the list. 

From a recent email (April 2015) from my broker MARS and LOG have a long wait.  ;D

Option B) Keep the CT active and apply internally to the federal government. With the new veterans employment active we can apply internally (Providing you have 3 years of service). Just create and an account on jobs.gc.ca and input your service number and within a few days you should have access to the internal jobs. (Coast guard, CSIS, Public Safety etc). However if you don't meet the essential requirements you are wasting your time applying for a job.

Option C) Find and NCM trade you'd be happy with (but you'll still have to wait a fair amount of time a year or two).

Do yourself a favour look up the SIP on the DWAN you can see the projections for the officer intake for the next 5 years. (At least you could on the 14/15 SIP. I haven't even looked at the 15/16 sip.

Last i looked, it looked like an REO application; lots of codes and numbers, little/no hard data on what the job is. My CF experience is that the name of a job has no inherant connection to what the job actually is.

But yeah; basically History BA. My program is called "Cross-Disciplinary Studies in Military Science", which the person I spoke to several years ago said would be "good as" a Mil Sci BA from RMC, but you know how that goes; "we'll look into it."

How would i find out what CSIS is really like? My view of them has always been as the laughing stock of the international intelligence community.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on August 12, 2015, 09:49:04
How would you find out what CSIS is really like?  You could use your initiative and do some research.  You could start here:  http://www.csis.gc.ca/
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Shrek1985 on August 23, 2015, 13:20:23
How would you find out what CSIS is really like?  You could use your initiative and do some research.  You could start here:  http://www.csis.gc.ca/

 :facepalm:

Because the best way to find out what any organization, let alone an intelligence agency is really like is their official website? Are you kidding me?

Or, you could assume that I'm not an idiot; that I am, for instance familiar with their official mandate and indeed have taken note of such incidents as leaving secret documents in various public places. This is not inspiring.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: George Wallace on August 23, 2015, 19:14:40
OK.  I won't assume that you are anything but.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Teager on August 23, 2015, 19:43:38
:facepalm:

Because the best way to find out what any organization, let alone an intelligence agency is really like is their official website? Are you kidding me?

Or, you could assume that I'm not an idiot; that I am, for instance familiar with their official mandate and indeed have taken note of such incidents as leaving secret documents in various public places. This is not inspiring.

Or perhaps theres a reason they left the documents in a public place but the public will never know. But really any organization has its issues and goofs.

You want to know what an intelligence agency is really like without being part of it? Do you not see anything wrong with that question? I believe the website gives a general idea of life as a CSIS agent. If that doesn't do it for you apply and find out. If you don't like it I'm sure you can move onto something else.

Keep in my mind we normally only hear about intelligence agency's when they goof or break the law. It's a good sign if we don't hear about anything the rest of the time.
Title: Re: Component Transfers (Reserve to Regular): Q&A
Post by: Ajacied34 on August 31, 2015, 03:14:17
I am currently going into third year university starting this September, I am due to start my training with my local reserve unit in mid September as well. My hope is to eventually transfer to the Reg Force after the completion of my degree and earn my commission as an infantry officer.

My question is that since the general consensus is that the process takes a long time, would I be able to begin the procedure say next fall at the beginning of my fourth year in anticipation that it may be ready in say a years time or would the fact that I still haven't finished my degree make me unable to apply as an officer despite being on course to receiving it?
Title: Re: Component Transf