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Title: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: stellarpanther on September 06, 2018, 23:52:24
Does anyone know of a possible EX coming up in Norway?  Didn't know we had people there.

Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: Eye In The Sky on September 07, 2018, 00:25:09
Yes
Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: stellarpanther on September 07, 2018, 00:43:40
Actually I just found more about it online.  Google is great.  It looks like Ex Trident Juncture 18, a huge NATO EX.
Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: Fishbone Jones on September 07, 2018, 19:47:23
Yes

I am responding to a Report to Mod.
Try expand your answers a bit. It's obvious the poster was starting a conversation regarding the subject. Your post provided absolutely no value whatsoever. Don't make people pull teeth. Of course, you were just answering his question in the strict sense it was asked, but while you got your satisfaction at your little jest, it did nothing to further the subject or clear anything up. Except that you know something someone else doesn't, but won't share.

Please refrain from posts that don't add anything to the thread.

Milnet Staff

Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: Eye In The Sky on September 07, 2018, 20:02:05
Copy that, but it wasn't in jest.  Just trying to toe the line of info avail at the sight below with "things known thru work means". 

http://dgpaapp.forces.gc.ca/en/exercises/index.html
Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: Fishbone Jones on September 07, 2018, 20:14:53
Copy that, but it wasn't in jest.  Just trying to toe the line of info avail at the sight below with "things known thru work means". 

http://dgpaapp.forces.gc.ca/en/exercises/index.html


So next time say Yes and add the link.
Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: Simian Turner on September 08, 2018, 00:52:46
Joint Force Command Naples has plenty of updated info on Ex Trident Juncture 18:
https://jfcnaples.nato.int/exercises/trident-juncture-18/trident-juncture-18-news

Norway feed here: https://forsvaret.no/en/exercise-and-operations/exercises/nato-exercise-2018

Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: Ashkan08 on September 08, 2018, 15:39:27
Are reservists deployed ( voluntarily ) for the whole duration of the exercise?
Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: Eye In The Sky on September 09, 2018, 14:13:21
I've yet to see any official word that the CAF is participating, or what elements/units are going.  If you're interested, your unit might know if there are any CFTPO tasking for the ex.
Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: 211RadOp on September 13, 2018, 13:31:37
From what I know, most of the LTF are coming from 5 Bde.  There may be reservists in the ORBAT, but I do not know.
Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: Pwegman on September 17, 2018, 21:01:39
Yes ,there's an exercise in Norway goin from October to November . Its an interoperability exercice with a few country of the Nato. You can get alot of information if you google Trident Juncture 18.
I know that because im goin there for the exercise and im leaving in about 2 weeks from Valcartier.
Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: daftandbarmy on September 17, 2018, 21:10:01
Yes ,there's an exercise in Norway goin from October to November . Its an interoperability exercice with a few country of the Nato. You can get alot of information if you google Trident Juncture 18.
I know that because im goin there for the exercise and im leaving in about 2 weeks from Valcartier.

Awesome. Weather-wise, that is absolutely the worst time of year to be in Norway.

Numbers for Narvik, for example https://en.climate-data.org/location/6656/

It can go from torrential downpours to sleet and snow in the blink of an (hypothermic) eye ;)

Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: Blackadder1916 on November 02, 2018, 14:35:43
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEQGbAHVj4o
Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: daftandbarmy on November 05, 2018, 11:51:09
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEQGbAHVj4o

Clearly, no one walks anywhere anymore ;)
Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: MarkOttawa on November 15, 2018, 18:03:11
Matthew Fisher, now CGAI Fellow amongst other things (no longer with Postmedia), on Trident Juncture 2018:
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Trident Juncture 18: NATO’s Norwegian Exercise

(https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/cdfai/pages/4077/attachments/original/1542230104/Trident_Juncture_18_Header.jpg?1542230104)
Image credit: Matthew Fisher

...Canada’s robust presence here has barely been mentioned by anyone in Ottawa. With 2,000 troops forward deployed, this has been by far the biggest, most complex military operation for the Canadian Forces since the Afghan combat mission ended seven years ago. It is a throwback to the ’70s and ’80s when NATO tasked a brigade from Canada with coming to Norway’s aid at a time of war.

At a cost of $28 million, Canada has sent the fourth largest national contingent to Norway. As well as warships, it has contributed eight CF-18 Hornets, an aerial refuelling tanker, a spy plane and a ground combat element built around 3rd Battalion, the Royal 22nd Regiment...

Matthew Fisher is a Fellow at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute. He was born in northwestern Ontario and raised there and in the Ottawa Valley. He has lived and worked abroad for 34 years as a foreign correspondent for the Globe and Mail, Sun Media and Postmedia. Assignments have taken him to 171 countries. An eyewitness to 19 conflicts including Somalia, the Rwandan genocide, Chechnya, the Balkan Wars, Israel in Gaza and Lebanon, the two Gulf Wars and Afghanistan, Matthew was appointed as the first Bill Graham Centre/Massey College Resident Visiting Scholar in Foreign and Defence Policy in 2018.
@mfisheroverseas

https://www.cgai.ca/trident_juncture_18_natos_norwegian_exercise

Mark
Ottawa
Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: Underway on November 16, 2018, 10:00:43
At a cost of $28 million, Canada has sent the fourth largest national contingent to Norway. As well as warships, it has contributed eight CF-18 Hornets, an aerial refuelling tanker, a spy plane and a ground combat element built around 3rd Battalion, the Royal 22nd Regiment...

We have a SPY PLANE?  Must be so super secret no one knows about it.
Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: Dimsum on November 16, 2018, 11:11:23
We have a SPY PLANE?  Must be so super secret no one knows about it.

*sigh*

I guess the Aurora (ie. the Flying Winnebago) counts as a spy plane these days.
Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: daftandbarmy on November 16, 2018, 11:41:44
Matthew Fisher, now CGAI Fellow amongst other things (no longer with Postmedia), on Trident Juncture 2018:
Mark
Ottawa

Shocking... that looks like a non-issue toque  :rules: :)
Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: paleomedic on November 16, 2018, 12:00:53
They are definitely issuing that toque at clothing in Petawawa.
Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: Journeyman on November 16, 2018, 12:41:40
We have a SPY PLANE? 
It could  be one of the Beechcraft King Air B200, which have been adapted for ELINT/SIGINT.
Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: Dimsum on November 16, 2018, 12:58:09
It could  be one of the Beechcraft King Air B200, which have been adapted for ELINT/SIGINT.

It could, but the Auroras were there and they weren't mentioned elsewhere. 
Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: Journeyman on November 16, 2018, 13:22:30
It could, but the Auroras were there and they weren't mentioned elsewhere.
Hence the italics, with no further comment -- that whole 'staying in my lane' thing.

Although it answers the question on RCAF having "spy planes," since some may consider ELINT/SIGINT 'spying.'  :cheers:
Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: PPCLI Guy on November 16, 2018, 20:26:59
It could, but the Auroras were there and they weren't mentioned elsewhere.

If they had flown, maybe they would have been mentioned  :D
Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: dapaterson on November 16, 2018, 20:42:54
If they had flown, maybe they would have been mentioned  :D

COA 1: Fly long boring missions.

COA 2: Develop a mysterious snag and spend your time hitting on statuesque Norwegian blondes saying "I'm a pilot, you know"


Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: CBH99 on November 17, 2018, 00:21:44
That's actually pretty impressive for the CF, I must say.

One of the smallest western militaries, and yet the 4th largest contingent... 

2000 troops, vehicles & weapons.  8 Hornets.  A tanker.  An Aurora.  And in an Article 5 scenario, I'm sure artillery & armoured units also.  Pretty good considering our deployments to Latvia, Ukraine, Mali, and Iraq right now.
Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: Eye In The Sky on November 17, 2018, 03:42:23
If they had flown, maybe they would have been mentioned  :D

 :rofl:   

Well, to be fair, they did fly "to" Norway... :D

Hopefully, the 'situation' that happened will force people (GoC, CAF, RCAF leadership) to reconsider that "2035" timeline... :whistle:  (I wasn't there but know what has been going on).
Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: Eye In The Sky on November 17, 2018, 03:45:26
We have a SPY PLANE?  Must be so super secret no one knows about it.

I've seen numerous media sources call a P-8 a 'spy plane' so...it's the soup de jour in this day and age.  Just like any track vehicles are 'tanks'...
Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: Lumber on November 17, 2018, 09:10:17
That's actually pretty impressive for the CF, I must say.

One of the smallest western militaries, and yet the 4th largest contingent... 

2000 troops, vehicles & weapons.  8 Hornets.  A tanker.  An Aurora.  And in an Article 5 scenario, I'm sure artillery & armoured units also.  Pretty good considering our deployments to Latvia, Ukraine, Mali, and Iraq right now.

You're neglecting to mention the 4 naval vessels we had deployed to TRJE18 (in addition to the 4 other Frigates, Asterix, and 3 other MCDVs deployed elsewhere).
Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: Dolphin_Hunter on November 17, 2018, 10:24:38
You're neglecting to mention the 4 naval vessels we had deployed to TRJE18 (in addition to the 4 other Frigates, Asterix, and 3 other MCDVs deployed elsewhere).

Don’t forget the Aurora that was (or still is) part of Op Projection.   

We need new planes, and sadly our fleet serviceability issues are only going to get worse.   
Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: Eye In The Sky on November 17, 2018, 17:07:33
And, the RCAF Transport Sqn's going like mad to keep things moving back and forth...TJ, OP Projection, Mali, Latvia, OP IMPACT.  You only have to go to a place like Hickam to see how small the RCAF really is.

* there was a 2 plane LRP Det on TJ

** you can't measure on a military solely on 'how much stuff is out the door', you have to measure it against things like strategic/operational/tactical effects as well.  Personally, I'd say "don't pat ourselves on the back too much, yet"...
Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: Cloud Cover on December 03, 2018, 20:45:06
EITS: agreed. But it seems to me that, unlike a few years ago, at least they are trying. I don’t think Canada will ever reach for meaningful, measurable strategic effects to measure by Hickam airlift standards.  Operational in theatre, sure. Tactical, yes if everything is in place and working and it is safe.
Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: Good2Golf on December 03, 2018, 20:50:40
That's actually pretty impressive for the CF, I must say.

One of the smallest western militaries, and yet the 4th largest contingent... 

2000 troops, vehicles & weapons.  8 Hornets.  A tanker.  An Aurora.  And in an Article 5 scenario, I'm sure artillery & armoured units also.  Pretty good considering our deployments to Latvia, Ukraine, Mali, and Iraq right now.
.

Almost a junior, temporary version of 4 CMBG plussed up with CAST. :nod:

Regards

G2G
Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: dapaterson on December 03, 2018, 20:57:57
If we were truly serious, we'd have Chinooks out there too...
Title: Re: Ex TRIDENT JUNCTURE 2018
Post by: CBH99 on December 04, 2018, 02:02:11
I'm guessing there was plenty of tactical airlift with the EU countries there in their own backyard.  Between Mali & the training pipeline, 15 birds doesn't go all that far.

I'm sure in a real Article 5 situation, there'd be some Chinooks there.