Army.ca Forums

The Newsroom => Military Current Affairs & News => Topic started by: Spencer100 on February 10, 2020, 09:54:41

Title: Drone flies into back of LAV
Post by: Spencer100 on February 10, 2020, 09:54:41

Here is something interesting. 

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/32133/help-us-decipher-this-mystery-footage-of-a-suicide-drone-flying-up-an-armored-vehicles-ramp

What LAV is it?  Could it be a Saudi?
Title: Re: Drone flies into back of LAV
Post by: Colin P on February 10, 2020, 11:13:54
Pretty sure it is KSA, LAV is turreted and beside it is one of the 4x4 vehicles the Saudi have bought in large numbers.
Title: Re: Drone flies into back of LAV
Post by: Blackadder1916 on February 10, 2020, 11:59:53
. . . -mystery-footage-of-a-suicide-drone-flying-up-an-armored-vehicles-ramp . . .

It is interesting footage, but while some will question the use of "drone" to describe a remotely piloted vehicle my frustration with the twisting of the English language rises on this example of using "suicide".  Who committed suicide?
Title: Re: Drone flies into back of LAV
Post by: MilEME09 on February 10, 2020, 12:28:15
It is interesting footage, but while some will question the use of "drone" to describe a remotely piloted vehicle my frustration with the twisting of the English language rises on this example of using "suicide".  Who committed suicide?

I'd call it a guided missile at that point
Title: Re: Drone flies into back of LAV
Post by: CloudCover on February 10, 2020, 12:33:34
Note the range display. Starting about 217 metres from “target”.  That implies some sort of target designation feature in the operators suite. Is that something typically available on a commercial or consumer drone?
Title: Re: Drone flies into back of LAV
Post by: Colin P on February 10, 2020, 12:50:15
Not to my knowledge, however they may have over written the code that allows commercial drones to follow a target using image lock. Such as this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtOXwzzsjME
Title: Re: Drone flies into back of LAV
Post by: Spencer100 on February 10, 2020, 13:04:12
I wonder about a system like "Trophy" can take out or defend against this type of thing?
Title: Re: Drone flies into back of LAV
Post by: Colin P on February 10, 2020, 13:30:30
A short ranged MG based system could deal with it, they aren't moving fast. I wonder if an optic scanner would work as a targeting system? That would avoid RF transmissions. 
Title: Re: Drone flies into back of LAV
Post by: Eye In The Sky on February 10, 2020, 18:21:55
How 'bout something like this?

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2018/09/19/the-corps-just-slapped-a-counter-drone-system-on-an-mrzr-all-terrain-vehicle/
Title: Re: Drone flies into back of LAV
Post by: Colin P on February 10, 2020, 20:12:51
How 'bout something like this?

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2018/09/19/the-corps-just-slapped-a-counter-drone-system-on-an-mrzr-all-terrain-vehicle/

Not sure how it defeats the drone/UAV/whatever, and likely the how and how far is Opsec, but if the drone is image locked, it may not require any outside guidance.
Title: Re: Drone flies into back of LAV
Post by: SeaKingTacco on February 10, 2020, 20:39:00
How 'bout something like this?

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2018/09/19/the-corps-just-slapped-a-counter-drone-system-on-an-mrzr-all-terrain-vehicle/

How about a cam net?

Seriously. People might be overthinking a solution.
Title: Re: Drone flies into back of LAV
Post by: daftandbarmy on February 10, 2020, 21:22:49
How about a cam net?

Seriously. People might be overthinking a solution.

How about standing up 'RAPTORFORCE'?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAYVyj6vf3Y

 :nod:
Title: Re: Drone flies into back of LAV
Post by: Eye In The Sky on February 10, 2020, 21:56:11
How about a cam net?

Sometimes yes, sometimes no.  I've tracked pers on IR from pretty high up on with an MX-20.  Can't leave a cam net over all your footprints, as an example. 

Quote
Seriously. People might be overthinking a solution.

Sometimes...
Title: Re: Drone flies into back of LAV
Post by: SeaKingTacco on February 10, 2020, 22:14:01
Sometimes yes, sometimes no.  I've tracked pers on IR from pretty high up on with an MX-20.  Can't leave a cam net over all your footprints, as an example. 

Sometimes...

Yes, there is that aspect, I grant you. I was more getting at this: if you halt for more than x minutes, the cam net goes up (like the old days). Even the old cold war cam nets would capture a commercial grade RPAS pretty neatly. Even if it is set to go off on impact, you still cannot be talking a very big payload and you are unlikely to get much (if any) effect against an armoured vehicle. Sometimes, a simple, 80% solution is the best.

Oh yeah: air sentry. Start using them again, and maybe give him/her a shotgun.
Title: Re: Drone flies into back of LAV
Post by: CloudCover on February 10, 2020, 22:52:39
SKT: you’re a downer. Some people were hoping for a little wrist action spider thread. Now all they have is the wrist and the potential for aught buck load.
Title: Re: Drone flies into back of LAV
Post by: Eye In The Sky on February 11, 2020, 17:46:51
Yes, there is that aspect, I grant you. I was more getting at this: if you halt for more than x minutes, the cam net goes up (like the old days). Even the old cold war cam nets would capture a commercial grade RPAS pretty neatly. Even if it is set to go off on impact, you still cannot be talking a very big payload and you are unlikely to get much (if any) effect against an armoured vehicle. Sometimes, a simple, 80% solution is the best.

Oh yeah: air sentry. Start using them again, and maybe give him/her a shotgun.

Ahh, I copy where you were goin' now.  Sorry.  Cam nets...those were work!  Do people still do that??
Title: Re: Drone flies into back of LAV
Post by: daftandbarmy on February 11, 2020, 18:26:44
Ahh, I copy where you were goin' now.  Sorry.  Cam nets...those were work!  Do people still do that??

We should. That goes for helmets too but, you know, 'Operator Cool' sometimes trumps battlefield demands :)