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Title: Trades OPEN / CLOSED
Post by: malibu on December 08, 2005, 16:03:38
Are there any water, fuel and environmental techs on this board? I was wondering what the job was like and if you enjoyed it. What sort of taks do you undertake. Ive already read teh recruiting website many times and have taken everything that I can from their information, I'm just interested in getting more info if possible.
Thank you :)
Title: Re: water, fuels and environmental tech question.
Post by: delavan on December 08, 2005, 21:23:46
Not one myself, but I work with them. It all depends of where you're posted. They work at the water treatment plant, waste water treatment plant, along with the civvies. On tour, they assess the water quality, environmental assessments. They might be on hazmat teams too. Good trade when you retire too.

On some army bases, there is less work than on air force ones. They are getting promoted at a good rate.

Delavan
Title: Re: water, fuels and environmental tech question.
Post by: Spr.Earl on December 11, 2005, 09:17:09
I know a few,they used to be kmown as WASPOL now they are known as WHIFE's(spellig ) Tech.'s.
Title: Re: water, fuels and environmental tech question.
Post by: MCG on December 11, 2005, 15:37:58
I know a few,they used to be kmown as WASPOL now they are known as WHIFE's(spellig ) Tech.'s.
It is WFE Tech (as per the thread title). 

We see them helping the ROWPU type 043s when we run into system problems.
Title: WFE Tech
Post by: wadethore on February 16, 2007, 11:58:13
Is there anyone from CFSME that can tell me a little bit about the WFE Tech DP1 course?
Is it considered tough? I know it's about 28 weeks and is held in Gagetown.  Also general
information on the trade itself.  I have visited the recruiting website but am looking for more
inside details.

Thanks
Title: WFE Tech
Post by: wadethore on February 21, 2007, 14:22:07
Does anyone know anything about the WFE Tech QL3? Is it considered tough?Also, can tell me anything about the trade itself ?  aside from the information on the recruiting website
Title: Re: WFE Tech
Post by: airmich on February 21, 2007, 18:42:28
I'll admit it.  I had no clue what a "WFE Tech" was.  Looked it up and I know now, and for those others that didn't want to ask:  Water, Fuels and Environmental Tech (http://www.recruiting.forces.gc.ca/v3/engraph/jobs/jobs.aspx?id=647&bhcp=1). 
Title: Re: WFE Tech
Post by: tree hugger on February 21, 2007, 18:48:32
...it's held at CFSME in Gagetown...they have a pat troop to enjoy until you get loaded on course...
Title: Re: WFE Tech
Post by: NFLD Sapper on February 21, 2007, 20:52:15
Does anyone know anything about the WFE Tech QL3? Is it considered tough?Also, can tell me anything about the trade itself ?  aside from the information on the recruiting website

And according to the latest CFSME Brick the next WFE Tech Apprentice Course is slated to be offered 31-Jan-08 till 23-Jul-08 and the Journeyman Course is slated for 19-Mar-08 till 30-Jul-08.

So you gonna have a bit of a wait.

<edited to correct dates>
Title: Re: WFE Tech
Post by: Grunt_031 on February 22, 2007, 00:41:29
It is mentally tough. You have to have a good grasp of Grade 12 Chemistry, Math and Physics if you have a 75%-80% average in high school you should not have a problem. Having a good knowledge of mechanical things and basic hand tools is an asset.

The first month is a brush up on on these subjects. Homework during the  course on average will run about 2-3 hours at nights and a good 8-10 hours on the weekends.There is generally 2-3 exams or PO's per week. If you fail a test it is bugger to catch up.

The water and wastewater package is taught in roughly 2-3 months and is all theory. This package is taught at NAIT and is a 2 year course. can you say fire hose of knowledge.

Some of the other subjects covered are Basic welding/brazing, pumps, water and wastewater laboratory, basic electrical, basic pluming, fire hydrants, laying of pipe and sewers, Septic Fields, Water distribution, Fuels farms, ROWPU and Mini ROWPU.

During the first month you are CB and undergo room inspection with full kit layout and weapons until the Comdt Inspection. PT depends on the course NCO and can run from Daily or three times a week.

As for holding platoon. You will generally be sent out to work at the Base Water or Wastewater treatment plant on base. If you are likely you can get sent to another base . We have one young guy sent to CFB Comox for 8 month before he got on QL3. There was another girl that was PAT and was course loaded on mine but take off two days before the course start to allow a re-muster on. She was sent away again for another year on Contact trg to await the next course.

After graduating you will be sent to a base with a water or wastewater treatment plant. During this time you must complete an OJT Package which is 4 weeks of working in water treatment plant and 8 weeks in a wastewater treatment plant plus a math package. During this time you an apprentice and you gain actual work experience. Then it is off to QL5 for another 5 Months at CFSME to be Qual a trained QL 5 Journeyman WFE Tech.

Best job and best kept secret in the military, wish I would have known about it earlier.

If there is anything else you would like to know send an  email.
Title: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Harv on August 10, 2009, 19:29:50
I recently applied to the army did well on the CFAT they did my background check and everything checked out fine. Then two days before my medical they called to cancel because they're not hiring infantry right now. Has anyone else expierenced this and long did you have to wait.
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: FromSafetyDataNOTSafe on August 10, 2009, 19:41:47
That would be a little anger inducing, considering I just have my interview to do in a few days... which could of been done 3 weeks ago when there were still spots open and did my CFAT and medical...  ::)
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: Neo Cortex on August 10, 2009, 19:42:36
I recently applied to the army did well on the CFAT they did my background check and everything checked out fine. Then two days before my medical they called to cancel because they're not hiring infantry right now. Has anyone else expierenced this and long did you have to wait.

I was at the CFRC today and of the 6 of us doing the CFAT and/or Interview, 4 wanted Infantry as either their first or second choice. They were all told it's not opening up until April, I believe.
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: FromSafetyDataNOTSafe on August 10, 2009, 19:45:37
Wow, if that's true I'm gonna cross the border and see if THEY have any openings for a wannabe infantryman.

3 flipping weeks I've been waiting for just the interview while the infantry spots filled up... unbelievable if it turns out to be so.
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: Michael O'Leary on August 10, 2009, 19:50:42
I recently applied to the army did well on the CFAT they did my background check and everything checked out fine. Then two days before my medical they called to cancel because they're not hiring infantry right now. Has anyone else expierenced this and long did you have to wait.

Regular, or Reserve?

If Reserve, what community?
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: Neo Cortex on August 10, 2009, 19:54:10
They were all Reg Force. I picked another trade entirely though, so it's second-hand information about when the Trade opens up.

It was also mentioned that both Artillery and Armoured are "red", though I'd be just as wary about trusting that as the rest of the information (the obvious issues with "a guy said another guy said his recruiter told him...")

Edit: for grammar and paragraphing.
Edit 2: To remove unnecessary quote, and to fix more grammar:)
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: ArmyVern on August 10, 2009, 19:57:50
That would be a little anger inducing, considering I just have my interview to do in a few days... which could of been done 3 weeks ago when there were still spots open and did my CFAT and medical...  ::)

Uhmmm, I'm just thinking out loud here --- perhaps there were others in line to apply before you who should have thus gotten their interviews for those avail infantry posns before you?
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: FromSafetyDataNOTSafe on August 10, 2009, 20:02:43
I was told that the RCR filled up very fast, ~18 spots left, and that I would likely get PPCLI instead, as of July 20. Now I hear they're full? excuse me, I'm a little flipping tweaked. :rage:
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: Michael O'Leary on August 10, 2009, 20:07:03
I was told that the RCR filled up very fast, ~18 spots left, and that I would likely get PPCLI instead, as of July 20. Now I hear they're full? excuse me, I'm a little flipping tweaked. :rage:

Chill, maybe the Recruiting Centre didn't know while you were there, and even if they did, there was probably a waiting list of completed files that would have taken those slots anyway.  You will have to learn patience, no matter what army you choose to join.

Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: basrah on August 10, 2009, 20:17:09
As someone serving in an infantry bn I find it hard to believe they are not hiring infantry... there are a lot of vacant spots in our unit.

For the guy who says he will go south of the border to join, I would suggest you think very long and hard about this. Think of doing your time and getting a call 7 years down the line saying you have to report back to a US base in 2 weeks or face jail time. Perhaps the stop loss program where they wont let you leave is appealing as well? Seriously, think long and hard about joining the US military, its not worth it.

For those who would consider joining their 2nd choice, tanker or artillery, also think long and hard about it. If you are really interested in being an infanteer, you are going to strongly regret your choice. Trust me, being an infanteer is worth the wait.

Push your case at the recuiting centre and tell them you are only interested in infantry and want nothing else. They may be trying to fill those red trades with those who are opting on a green one.
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: MikeL on August 10, 2009, 20:23:12
Wow, if that's true I'm gonna cross the border and see if THEY have any openings for a wannabe infantryman.


Yea.. its not as easy as going to the states, finding the nearest recruiter an saying you want in.  Theres a lil thing called immigration.  You must be a US Citizen or have a Green card to join, an the Military will not sponser you to get one. So unless an immediate reletive is a US Citizen or holds a Green Card you are **** Outta Luck.   
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: FromSafetyDataNOTSafe on August 10, 2009, 20:25:11
I've sat here for 3 weeks waiting for this interview that could of been done that day, only to find out that they're no longer going to hire me regardless of the interview, 2 days before I'm supposed to do it... that's just flipping great.

So I do my interview... okay, good, but we're not hiring any more foot soldiers, we may contact you next April if we don't forget about you or misplace your application... flipping fantastic.

"For the guy who says he will go south of the border to join, I would suggest you think very long and hard about this. Think of doing your time and getting a call 7 years down the line saying you have to report back to a US base in 2 weeks or face jail time. Perhaps the stop loss program where they wont let you leave is appealing as well? Seriously, think long and hard about joining the US military, its not worth it."

I just want to be a soldier. If my own country "isn't hiring" flipping infantry, and the US army will take me, I will absolutely cross the border next week and peruse that... rather than twiddle my thumbs for another 8 months. I'd rather not go that route, but I can't wait any longer. It's been long enough.
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: Michael O'Leary on August 10, 2009, 20:27:58
Why don't you go talk to the Recruiting Centre and work with facts related to your own file?  For all we know there are other issues that will hold up your file until infantry slots open up anyway.
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: MikeL on August 10, 2009, 20:28:53
Think of doing your time and getting a call 7 years down the line saying you have to report back to a US base in 2 weeks or face jail time. Perhaps the stop loss program where they wont let you leave is appealing as well? Seriously, think long and hard about joining the US military, its not worth it.

Thats a bit extreme...  yes people have been stop lossed, but not every Soldier or Marine has been affected by it.
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: FromSafetyDataNOTSafe on August 10, 2009, 20:29:13
Yea.. its not as easy as going to the states, finding the nearest recruiter an saying you want in.  Theres a lil thing called immigration.  You must be a US Citizen or have a Green card to join, an the Military will not sponser you to get one. So unless an immediate reletive is a US Citizen or holds a Green Card you are **** Outta Luck.
I don't know about that. I've heard stories about people gaining their US citizenship by serving in Iraq. There is probably a large % of non-US citizens, from Mexico and other Central American countries, serving in a US branch of service.

I'm certainly not going to sit around for 8 more months, hoping my application isn't misplaced, when I could TRY and join as an infantryman in a US force, regardless of weather or not I actually get in, I'm not going to sit around. If they take me, even better.
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: George Wallace on August 10, 2009, 20:30:51
As someone serving in an infantry bn I find it hard to believe they are not hiring infantry... there are a lot of vacant spots in our unit.

For the guy who says he will go south of the border to join, I would suggest you think very long and hard about this. Think of doing your time and getting a call 7 years down the line saying you have to report back to a US base in 2 weeks or face jail time. Perhaps the stop loss program where they wont let you leave is appealing as well? Seriously, think long and hard about joining the US military, its not worth it.

For those who would consider joining their 2nd choice, tanker or artillery, also think long and hard about it. If you are really interested in being an infanteer, you are going to strongly regret your choice. Trust me, being an infanteer is worth the wait.

Push your case at the recuiting centre and tell them you are only interested in infantry and want nothing else. They may be trying to fill those red trades with those who are opting on a green one.

 ::)



I can't believe this whole topic.  So Infantry is full at the momment.  That means that there are enough people currently hired to fill the Training Systems slots for BMQ and then DP1 Infantry.  There are only so many Instructors and rooms, etc. in the training facilities to accommondate a fixed number of candidates.  Think of when you went to school or applied for any other job.  Were there an infinite number of spots for you?  NO!

Shake your heads.  Patience.  Wait for your first choice or take your Second Choice.

AND basrah.....Infantry sucks.  ARMOUR rules!    ;D
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: NFLD Sapper on August 10, 2009, 20:33:49
I don't know about that. I've heard stories about people gaining their US citizenship by serving in Iraq. There is probably a large % of non-US citizens, from Mexico and other Central American countries, serving in a US branch of service.

I'm certainly not going to sit around for 8 more months, hoping my application isn't misplaced, when I could TRY and join as an infantryman in a US force, regardless of weather or not I actually get in, I'm not going to sit around. If they take me, even better.

Then don't let the door hit you on the way out.........
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: Sir_Spams_a_lot on August 10, 2009, 20:34:40
I don't know about that. I've heard stories about people gaining their US citizenship by serving in Iraq. There is probably a large % of non-US citizens, from Mexico and other Central American countries, serving in a US branch of service.

I'm certainly not going to sit around for 8 more months, hoping my application isn't misplaced, when I could TRY and join as an infantryman in a US force, regardless of weather or not I actually get in, I'm not going to sit around. If they take me, even better.

Okay, if that's your decision, we're sure gonna miss ya.  Buh bye now.
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: MikeL on August 10, 2009, 20:35:38
I don't know about that. I've heard stories about people gaining their US citizenship by serving in Iraq.

Reread what I posted....  You either must already be a US Citizen or hold a Green Card.  So yes those with a Green Card after meeting the pre-reqs can get US Citizenship.
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: FromSafetyDataNOTSafe on August 10, 2009, 20:38:22
Then don't let the door hit you on the way out.........
I want to be an infantryman, our army won't take me... so you don't need to be rude.

I'm fiercely patriotic. Even run a website about Canadian soldiers, that I spend most of my free time on... I just want be a soldier, and I'm way over due joining up as it is. I don't think waiting 8 more months is a good option for me.

So I really hope that somehow for me, this doesn't turn out to be so.
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: basrah on August 10, 2009, 20:41:16
Thats a bit extreme...  yes people have been stop lossed, but not every Soldier or Marine has been affected by it.

I served 14 months on a private detail in Iraq in 05/06, and I cant even count how many people I met who were either stop lossed, or called back into service. I met a MSgt who had served in Vietnam and was called back 20 years later because he was the only person they could find who knew how to do his job. It is a VERY real part of joining the US military, and anyone thinking about it should be aware of it.

I really suggest sitting tight and waiting this one out. Yeah, it may be full now, but if you really want something, isnt it worth waiting for? By the time one was to go through the process of joining the US military it wouldnt have taken much longer than joining our own.

Dont worry about whether or not they take you though, standards have gotten lower over the years, and if you are looking to serve as a cog in a machine Im sure they have a spot for you.

G.W., well, from all the stories I hear from tankers, they certainly are single handedly winning the war over there.
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: George Wallace on August 10, 2009, 20:50:40
I want to be an infantryman, our army won't take me... so you don't need to be rude.

I'm fiercely patriotic. Even run a website about Canadian soldiers, that I spend most of my free time on... I just want be a soldier, and I'm way over due joining up as it is. I don't think waiting 8 more months is a good option for me.

So I really hope that somehow for me, this doesn't turn out to be so.


 ::)


Joining the military, any military, is not "Your Right".

You have to meet the criteria.  It is a hard earned priviledge.  Your patriotic stance looses all credibility with your statement that you can join another nation's military.  Your whole credibility is pretty well summed up now.

Guess that sums this up.
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: brandon_ on August 10, 2009, 20:51:04
I just want to be a soldier. If my own country "isn't hiring" flipping infantry, and the US army will take me, I will absolutely cross the border next week and peruse that... rather than twiddle my thumbs for another 8 months. I'd rather not go that route, but I can't wait any longer. It's been long enough.
[/quote] Dont Join the U.S ARMY if you really want join the British army it will take less time in the US but around the same time as CND  either way your waiting for 8 months to a year.
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: George Wallace on August 10, 2009, 20:56:53
I just want to be a soldier. If my own country "isn't hiring" flipping infantry, and the US army will take me, I will absolutely cross the border next week and peruse that... rather than twiddle my thumbs for another 8 months. I'd rather not go that route, but I can't wait any longer. It's been long enough.
 Dont Join the U.S ARMY if you really want join the British army it will take less time in the US but around the same time as CND  either way your waiting for 8 months to a year.

Are you a card carrying Status Indian or an American citizen?  If not you can not join the US military.  Even the French Foreign Legion is not taking "just anyone" off the streets anymore.  And; the US does not have a Foreign Legion.
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: bomber12 on August 10, 2009, 20:57:49
I am applying for infantry. I was supposed to go for the one day processing about a month ago now and never got the call to actually go. I have been calling my recruiter every couple days since then leaving messages but he never gets back to me. I have even emailed numerous times. I guess this is why. All I can say is I am freaking waiting and when my time comes I am going to be very happy.
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: PuckChaser on August 10, 2009, 20:58:08
I just want to be a soldier. If my own country "isn't hiring" flipping infantry, and the US army will take me, I will absolutely cross the border next week and peruse that... rather than twiddle my thumbs for another 8 months. I'd rather not go that route, but I can't wait any longer. It's been long enough.
 Dont Join the U.S ARMY if you really want join the British army it will take less time in the US but around the same time as CND  either way your waiting for 8 months to a year.

Good riddance, obviously you don't love your country enough to find another occupation that would suit you while serving it, so you'll just jump ship. Maybe you just want to be a super-ninja sniper and you think the infantry is your only route there.
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: PMedMoe on August 10, 2009, 21:05:09
Good riddance, obviously you don't love your country enough to find another occupation that would suit you while serving it, so you'll just jump ship. Maybe you just want to be a super-ninja sniper and you think the infantry is your only route there.

brandon_ was actually quoting erikh.  It's hard to tell but there is a [/quote] at the end of the first statement.
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: FromSafetyDataNOTSafe on August 10, 2009, 21:08:06

 ::)


Joining the military, any military, is not "Your Right".

You have to meet the criteria.  It is a hard earned priviledge.  Your patriotic stance looses all credibility with your statement that you can join another nation's military.  Your whole credibility is pretty well summed up now.

Guess that sums this up.
I know... I never claimed it to be my or anyone's right. It's certainly a privileged and honor to be able to serve your country... and I will very likely not persue the US or any other army, I'm just a little ticked that I had to find out like this, two days before I though I finally might completed the process. Now I've gotta stay doing my mindless work and waste away for another 8 months, if I even am accepted.

However, I think you've got an odd view on Canadians serving in another force. What about that Canadian pilot who was turned away here, but went to the British forces and was awarded some kind of decoration for his service not too long ago? say what about his credibility and patriotism?
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: Larkvall on August 10, 2009, 21:08:41
Have you guys considered becoming a combat engineer?

Also, maybe look at going armoured as a coyote crew. They do a lot of dismounted recce work according to the video on recruit site.
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: 3rdroyal on August 10, 2009, 21:10:29
I want to be an infantryman, our army won't take me... so you don't need to be rude.

I'm fiercely patriotic. Even run a website about Canadian soldiers, that I spend most of my free time on... I just want be a soldier, and I'm way over due joining up as it is. I don't think waiting 8 more months is a good option for me.

So I really hope that somehow for me, this doesn't turn out to be so.

You want to be an infantryman and think a little remark like that is rude? Did it offend you?
You cant wait out for a little bit until you get the call? Get used to this,"Hurry Up and WAIT"
I think you need to take a step back and reflect on what you really want. Do you really want to soldier, OR just be called one. IF you want to be in the infantry, take the time it takes to process your application as a gift. Train, prepare physically for it. When you finally get to be in uniform, youll be ready.

Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: FromSafetyDataNOTSafe on August 10, 2009, 21:17:34
You want to be an infantryman and think a little remark like that is rude? Did it offend you?
You cant wait out for a little bit until you get the call? Get used to this,"Hurry Up and WAIT"
I think you need to take a step back and reflect on what you really want. Do you really want to soldier, OR just be called one. IF you want to be in the infantry, take the time it takes to process your application as a gift. Train, prepare physically for it. When you finally get to be in uniform, youll be ready.

And, most US Army soldiers I talked to in the FOB were stop-lossed,and none to happy about it.
I'm just pretty pissed off right now. I was flipping ready to go May 1, but I developed an eye problem (ghosting - because I was worried about my vision, I brilliantly started using eye drops, that ended up drying out my eyes, giving me the ghosting) that delayed my application for two months while I had my eyes checked by a specialist. Just when I think that it might be complete, I hear about this. I'm just gonna go kick myself for a while now, or ram my head into a brick wall.

I would of liked to of heard if from them, but maybe this is better, because it would been an even loooonger walk home come Thursday.

Still hoping my file was advanced enough to have a shot this year.
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: MikeL on August 10, 2009, 21:23:49
Also, maybe look at going armoured as a coyote crew. They do a lot of dismounted recce work according to the video on recruit site.


The few times I saw Armour Recce guys overseas they were either driving their coyote, or set up an observing. Didn't see them doing dismounted patrols as part of their job. Not to say they don't an I'm sure an actual Armour Recce guy can go into more details on the job.

Only times I saw Armour guys doing dismounted patrolling was when they volunteered to go out on patrol with the OMLT in our loc. The Recce guy only did it once.. walking through grape fields wasn't his thing. An the tanker(also only went once) that went out with us really appreciated his tank after his patrol haha.
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: GAP on August 10, 2009, 21:24:55
As one who actually went and joined USMC 30+ years ago, when they were more than happy to take 30,000 of us in various forms, it still took 8 months to do the clearances/immigration/etc.....

My oldest who's in the CF briefly considered doing the same thing and was told exactly what Skeltor and GW said......so if you are still intent on it....knock yourself out.....

I don't suppose any of these future GI Joe's ever considered canvassing the other trades available that are eminently as satisfying/action packed/demanding....but what do I know, I'm one of those furner fellas......?
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: Michael O'Leary on August 10, 2009, 21:38:11
Well, since no-one has provided any further useful information addressing the original post, and the thread has turned into a dogpile.  We're done and locked.

Ask a staff member to open the thread if you have something useful to add.

Milnet.ca Staff
Title: No Infantry Spots Until Approx. April 2010- Merged
Post by: owa on August 17, 2009, 12:13:58
I was told that they will not be selecting Infantry until April 2010, but that's the occupation I really want in the Army, so I'm willing to wait until then.  My question is in regards to BMQ...

Even though they aren't hiring more Infantry until April 2010, would the pre-emptively send someone through BMQ prior to that deadline so that when they leave BMQ, they'll be able to go through SQ and MOC almost immediately after finishing BMQ?  Hopefully I said that well enough.  It makes sense in my head, haha.

Someone also mentioned that if I only want Infantry, I should put only that in my first occupation choice and leave 2 and 3 empty.  Is that okay to do?  I don't want to end up looking bad in the eyes of the Army I suppose, so I want to make sure I know all this before I start with the process.

Thanks in advance for any help you can give!
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Bianca on August 17, 2009, 12:25:12
To go to BMQ, you need to have a job offer- which will apparently not be happening until April 2010 for infantry.

As for what to put on your form, etc, from everything I've read here you should really be contacting your CFRC and speaking to someone who can focus on your situation as everything is done case by case.
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: aesop081 on August 17, 2009, 12:26:23

 would the pre-emptively send someone through BMQ prior to that deadline

No.
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: aesop081 on August 17, 2009, 12:27:29
Someone also mentioned that if I only want Infantry, I should put only that in my first occupation choice and leave 2 and 3 empty.  Is that okay to do?

Yes, that is ok.
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: owa on August 17, 2009, 12:31:52
To go to BMQ, you need to have a job offer- which will apparently not be happening until April 2010 for infantry.

As for what to put on your form, etc, from everything I've read here you should really be contacting your CFRC and speaking to someone who can focus on your situation as everything is done case by case.

I have been, but see he said they were still hiring for Infantry, but everyone else has told me that they were not.  So I sent him an email two weeks ago but he hasn't responded yet.

No.
Yes, that is ok.

Thanks for the quick response.
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Bianca on August 17, 2009, 12:38:43
I have been, but see he said they were still hiring for Infantry, but everyone else has told me that they were not.  So I sent him an email two weeks ago but he hasn't responded yet.

If you want to get confirmation from someone you can always call them, anyone there should be able to answer your question accurately.

1-800-856-8488

8 a.m. - 4 p.m. Eastern Time
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Blackadder1916 on August 17, 2009, 14:57:27
I was told that they will not be selecting Infantry until April 2010, but that's the occupation I really want in the Army, so I'm willing to wait until then.  My question is in regards to BMQ...

Even though they aren't hiring more Infantry until April 2010, would the pre-emptively send someone through BMQ prior to that deadline so that when they leave BMQ, they'll be able to go through SQ and MOC almost immediately after finishing BMQ?  Hopefully I said that well enough.  It makes sense in my head, haha.

The specifics of your questions have already been directly answered, however you may be thinking that it doesn't make sense to wait until April to be given an offer when a lot of the common training could be done prior.  The simple answer to that is the government (and thus the CF) operates on a fiscal year of 1 April to 31 March - much of the planning is geared to that cycle especially if it involves spending money.  Therefore, manpower planning (guessing how many soldiers of what type, when to hire them and when to train them) is also geared to that time frame.  Apparently (based on comments posted on these means which may or may not be accurate), they have already hired (or made offers to) all the infantry recruits that they guessed would be needed this year, or didn't need as many as they thought since fewer got out or more (already trained) infanteers transferred from the reserve to the regular force.  The CF can't hire more than they are allowed (and have the money more) and they don't train more than they are allowed to hire (that costs money that they haven't budgetted).  Right now they can't hire any more but they know that (almost certainly) more will be needed in the new fiscal year and they will be allowed to hire them; those numbers just haven't been promulgated yet.  While they can't make an offer, they are able to do the processing - someone may become interested in something else or (a very faint possibility) some who were already scheduled to enter the pipeline don't and positions may open up before the new FY.

Only the recruiting centre can give you a definitive answer about the possibility of enrolling as infantry prior to April.  If you are seriously considering joining the CF (whether or not you can get infantry before April), there is little downside for you in completing the application process (applying does not mean enrolling, i.e. accepting an offer and swearing in) as soon as possible.  If infantry is available before April, you could be offered it;  if infantry is unavailable until April, you will have already completed the process and you could be offered it then; if in the meantime you change your mind and would accept another trade, you've already completed the process.
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: FromSafetyDataNOTSafe on August 17, 2009, 15:26:29
The day before my interview (last thing in my app process), I was asked if I wanted to change or wait (even though I was told "you'll get infantry" after my CFAT... :clubinhand: ). Not wanting to wait another year, I changed.

Wasn't easy. I was dead set on closing with and destroying the enemy and the whole infantry thing. My main interest has been the front line foot soldier doing the fighting... $h!t happens.

But I've decided to hold out on my new first choice. If they don't give me that, then I may be waiting anyways.

Good luck with your decision.
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: aesop081 on August 17, 2009, 15:29:23
I was dead set on closing with and destroying the enemy and the whole infantry thing. My main interest has been the front line foot soldier doing the fighting... $h!t happens.


I'm not sure what trade you settled on but i assure you that the infantry does not have a monopoly on all this.

Good luck with whatever trade you decided on joining.
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: FromSafetyDataNOTSafe on August 17, 2009, 15:33:50
I'm not sure what trade you settled on but i assure you that the infantry does not have a monopoly on all this.

Good luck with whatever trade you decided on joining.
Yes, I had to get that through my thick skull. Decided on Combat Engineer as my first choice, arty second, then armoured.
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Engineer79 on August 18, 2009, 02:49:59
Yes, I had to get that through my thick skull. Decided on Combat Engineer as my first choice, arty second, then armoured.

Are these choices for Reserves or Regular Forces? Because I was told Reserves do not have any more open spots for Combat Engineer or armored (in Toronto). You are good to go with Artillery.
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: FromSafetyDataNOTSafe on August 18, 2009, 02:56:25
Regular
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Robodad on August 18, 2009, 10:09:32
According to the Strtegic Intake Plan (SIP) for FY 10/11, the amount for Infantry is:
400 PPCLI
300 R22eR
300 RCR

http://hr.ottawa-hull.mil.ca/dgmp/dpgr/downloads/parra_psr_bpd/sip_future_1011_b.xls
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Larkvall on August 18, 2009, 10:18:38
Are these choices for Reserves or Regular Forces? Because I was told Reserves do not have any more open spots for Combat Engineer or armored (in Toronto). You are good to go with Artillery.

No more open spots for combat engineer in Toronto?!
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: KingofKeys on August 18, 2009, 15:03:10
No more open spots for combat engineer in Toronto?!
I actually went to a reserve information session at the Dennison armory last week and the SGT told us that combat engineer position at the 32nd CER was unavailable for the current fiscal year. The only option was Artillery in the combat arms reserves. Looking at your profile, it seems you are interested in 32nd CER as well- hand in your application ASAP so that you are in line for the next fiscal year (starting April of 2010). Good luck and see you in April!
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Larkvall on August 18, 2009, 15:09:26
I actually went to a reserve information session at the Dennison armory last week and the SGT told us that combat engineer position at the 32nd CER was unavailable for the current fiscal year. The only option was Artillery in the combat arms reserves. Looking at your profile, it seems you are interested in 32nd CER as well- hand in your application ASAP so that you are in line for the next fiscal year (starting April of 2010). Good luck and see you in April!

Hi,

I phoned Sgt. XXXX (probably the Sgt you talked to) this morning after reading the above post and he told me that 32nd CER was full, but I had already been accounted for (I handed in my application in late April). So I made it in time assuming I get the thumbs up from the RMO.

Edited by Roy Harding for PERSEC
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: KingofKeys on August 18, 2009, 15:19:03
Hi,

I phoned Sgt. XXXX (probably the Sgt you talked to) this morning after reading the above post and he told me that 32nd CER was full, but I had already been accounted for (I handed in my application in late April). So I made it in time assuming I get the thumbs up from the RMO.
Ah, that is good to hear! I just wish I had applied earlier as well. And yes, Sgt. XXXX was the one who conducted the very humorous information session.

Edited by Roy Harding for PERSEC
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Kabalis on August 18, 2009, 16:58:28
Can anyone give me the odds of getting an offer for infantry in April 2010 if I have the following:

1. Entry Plan: Recruit School By-pass (due to my previous service)
2. Already on the merit list

would any of you kind CFRC troops give me a guesstimate on how good my chances are?  I was told that if I chose another trade, that I'd leave pretty quick, but I have my mind dead set on infantry and don't think I'd be really happy doing anything else.  (I'm ex-infantry and I'm returning to Infantry... hopefully).  any opinions would be greatly appreciated.

P.S- For any of you new people who are going infantry, here's a tip:  Try your best to be careful.  The last thing you want is to get a training injury during hand to hand combat 2 weeks from graduation in LFCA TC Meaford's 14 week infantry course and end up being stuck in physiotherapy for nine months with no end in sight.  (the reason I VR'ed, figured id get out and try again after seeing that some guys were stuck there for 2+ years,  get myself in better shape and know what to expect for round 2... BIG mistake)

Thanks in advance ^^
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Otis on August 18, 2009, 17:08:02
Can anyone give me the odds of getting an offer for infantry in April 2010

Short Answer: NO

Longer answer: There are several variables, not the LEAST of which is how many Infantry (if any) we're hiring next year, which none of us knows until CFRG HQ tells us (sometime next year, usually late April).

There is also variables in your file etc. ... I know you said you were merit listed, but how long ago was your Medical (because it DOES expire ... and I don't really want to know, I'm just giving examples) etc. these things can all affect your "odds".

If your heart is set on Infantry, best to just wait, keep calling in to your CFRC every couple of months, make sure your stuff stays up-to-date and be patient.

Otis
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: owa on August 18, 2009, 17:35:00
For me, I've decided that I'm just going to spend between now and April getting in the best shape possible.

I'll hand everything in come December or January and hopefully be good to go in April!

It's funny, I almost got in a fight outside a bar a couple nights ago, but because my record is currently clean and because I don't want anything to give me grief down the road when trying to get into the Army, I had be more diplomatic (puss out) :p.

Al'ls well that ends well though!
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Kabalis on August 20, 2009, 11:28:43
According to the Strtegic Intake Plan (SIP) for FY 10/11, the amount for Infantry is:
400 PPCLI
300 R22eR
300 RCR


Can anyone confirm this?
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: GAP on August 20, 2009, 11:42:21
Can anyone confirm this?

Go look it up and confirm it yourself
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: PMedMoe on August 20, 2009, 11:45:02
Can anyone confirm this?

PM Robodad and ask for the source.
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Roy Harding on August 20, 2009, 15:02:54
Folks - watch the PERSEC.  If the Sergeant in question wants his name all over public internet forums, he'll post it himself.


Roy Harding
Milnet.ca Staff
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Larkvall on August 20, 2009, 15:33:48
Okay Roy.
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Pusser on August 20, 2009, 17:27:28
Despite pressure from recruiters, my advice is to NEVER, NEVER, NEVER put down another choice of occupation if you would not seriously consider a career in that occupation.  If infantry is the only thing you want (although that choice boggles MY mind) then that is all you should put down.  If you're flexible, by all means put down other choices, but remember that there is a good possibility that you will be offered only your second or third.  I cannot count the number of folks I've had working for me over the years who were less than enthusiastic about their careers because they were in occupations that they had joined because they were available as opposed to what they wanted.  One final note, a favourite recruiting line (lie) is that if you join this occupation now, you can remuster later.  Yes, this is theoretically possible, but exceptionally difficult.  The reason is that in order to remuster, your current occupation has to be willing to let you go and your proposed new occupation has to be willing to accept you.  If you're not doing well in your current occupation, the other one won't accept you because they don't want somebody else's deadwood.  If you're doing well in your current occupation, they won't want to let you go.  The remuster process is rife with frustration.  In short, make your choices carefully at the Recruiting Centre.
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Otis on August 20, 2009, 22:29:32
Folks - watch the PERSEC.  If the Sergeant in question wants his name all over public internet forums, he'll post it himself.


Roy Harding
Milnet.ca Staff

Sorry Roy, I should have thought to mention that!  :oops:
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Otis on August 20, 2009, 22:41:53
Despite pressure from recruiters, {SNIP}
One final note, a favourite recruiting line (lie) is that if you join this occupation now, you can remuster later. 


Hmmm, somebody else trying to get my dander up!  :clubinhand:

SO ... which year exactly did YOU work in the Recruiting Center where you were taught to lie to people?

According to your profile, you are a LCdr with 26 years experience currently working at NDHQ?!

If this is true, I recommend that you try to be a little more diplomatic when discussing others' performance. As I've cautioned other officers here, calling someone a liar is a serious accusation,and someone looking at your profile is going to add extra weight to your opinion.

We do not lie, mislead, sell or any other action. We tell people the truth, and they often hear what they want to hear (it's human nature) ... I take GREAT offence to anyone accusing me of lying! In fact, just TODAY I told someone almost EXACTLY the same words that you have used WRT re-mustering.

Furthermore, I'd put MY record of lies-to-applicants up against the record of lies-coming-out-of-NDHQ ANY day ... (score 0 - ???)
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: mariomike on August 20, 2009, 22:52:53
If you're not doing well in your current occupation, the other one won't accept you because they don't want somebody else's deadwood.  If you're doing well in your current occupation, they won't want to let you go.

That's a real "Catch-22"!
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: aesop081 on August 20, 2009, 23:00:23
That's a real "Catch-22"!

It is not. Remustering is not impossible by any means and is not
Quote
exceptionally difficult
when it comes to most trades. Being good at your current MOC serves very much in your favour. The major hurdle is the personel levels of your current trade. If the trade is "red', then your chances are very slim. In my experience, the Navy and the army make it difficult for their members to OT by using various scare tactics and the lack of knowledge of applicable orders by a good proportion of their members.
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Roy Harding on August 21, 2009, 00:49:25
Pusser:

Stay in your lanes.  It's readily apparent that you don't know what you're talking about regarding recruiting.  And accusing ANY branch of having a policy of telling lies is bordering on trolling.

You're fairly new around here - consider this your freebie.


Roy Harding
Milnet.ca Staff
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Kabalis on August 21, 2009, 10:03:30
I don't know or pretend to know anything about the whole OT process as I haven't been a part of it, I can only comment on what I have observed in the past.  due to the fact that I was going through a really bad break up at the same time as dealing with a training injury, I had a lot of down time in Meaford and decided to VR (biggest mistake EVER!  I'm slapping myself for being so dumb).  I was only a pte(B) and along with the other guys and a few girls in meaford, I have observed that a OT for a non-trained private to take a very long time (6-12 months, but thats joust going by MY observation).  I can only imagine that once you're trade trained and with your regiment, that it would be even MORE difficult to OT after the government has invested all that time and money into you. 

I'm in no way an expert on the matter, just voicing my observations and opinions.  take it easy ^^
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: PMedMoe on August 21, 2009, 10:40:58
Minor point:  If you are an untrained Pte, it is not an OT but a trade reassignment.
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: aesop081 on August 21, 2009, 10:46:44
I have observed that a OT for a non-trained private to take a very long time

When a member is untrained, it is not called an OT.


Quote
it would be even MORE difficult to OT after the government has invested all that time and money into you.

It is not "even more difficult" and the amount of money invested in you is not a factor. The fact is that the OT process is fairly straight forward. As i said in my previous post, the state of one's current trade is the big hurdle. The number of spots available in the new trade is the other.

Where the "difficulty" comes from is when a member's current trade/unit says BS like " the unit doesnt support your request" or other such nonsense. This demonstrates either a complete lack of understanding of the policies governing OTs or an outright attempt to keep the member from OT-ing by taking advantage of his/her knowledge of the rules.

Once a member applies for OT, the CoC is required to forward the application on, plain and simple. The CO of the member's current unit gets to say his peace during the process of course ( there is a form for that) but the OT application cannot be stopped at the platoon/company/whatever-level as i have seen many times.

Quote
I'm in no way an expert on the matter,

I'm no expert either, just one guy who remustered.
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Eye In The Sky on August 21, 2009, 11:59:35
I'll wade in here with the OT content of the thread, as I've done 2 OTs (Feb '07 and Mar '09) and found myself battling the CoC and Career Manager for my OT to AES Op from ATIS Tech. 

NO trade is closed to OTs out.  A policy came out sometime in 2005 stating the policy for OTs/remustering out of Reg Force trades, based on the health of the trade.  There are a few terms that need to be understood:

PML = preferred manning level.  This is the # of people in any given trade that the CF says it requires.
 
TES = trained effective strength.  This is the actual # of people in a given trade that are trained up to the OFP (Occupational Function Point) of that trade. 

*The OFPs of trades are set out in the Occupational Specification document and vary by trade. 

*DIN/IntraNet Link to find your Occ Specs and General Specs:

http://hr.ottawa-hull.mil.ca/dgmp/dpgr/engraph/specifications_e.asp?sec=2&doc=occspec

The difference between the PML and TES is used to determine a trade's 'health'.  (TES # divided by PML # x 100).  A trade that is less than 5% below PML is Green, a trade that is between 5-10% below PML is Amber, and a trade that is more than 10% below PML is Red.

Example, Widget Tech has a PML of 1300, and a TES of 950.  The trade would be at 73% and therefore Red.

For OTs out, a Green trade OUTCAP (the number of people allowed to OT out) is 2% of the TES, a Amber trade OUTCAP is 1% of the TES and a Red trade OUTCAP is 0.5% of the TES.

Example, Brass Magnet Tech has a TES of 500 and a PML of 900.  At 56% the trade would be Red (REALLY Red :)), however, 0.5% of the TES would be allowed to OT out (2.5 people).

This policy was published in a letter on the ISS DIN site before ISS moved from CFRG to DGMC, but I don't see the link to it now.  I do have a copy of it somewhere, however I can't say that is hasn't been removed/superceded. 

The link below to the DGMC ISS Section has links to all the trade TES/PML #s that are used in OTs/remusters, including OUTCAP #s for this and previous FYs, Occupation Status Matrix and other documents related to this.

http://hr.ottawa-hull.mil.ca/dgmc/engraph/InServiceSelection_e.asp?Opensub=12


We all know or have heard of the stories of Pte Bloggins or Cpl Smith who asked about an OT to their Sgt/WO/whatever and were told no one is allowed to OT out of infantry/Bos'n/*insert trade name*.  That is pure BS.  I went thru all this BS with my last CoC and Career Manager and they lost.  Not because I am so friggin' smart, I simply referred to the authoritive directives and policies, staffed my memo's and correspondence properly and wouldn't take no for an answer.

Simply put, CFAO 11-12 is the authoritve document governing remusters/OTs/MOC reassignments for Reg Force NCMs.  Period.  From the DGMC ISS site:

AVOTP:
CFAO 11-12 Occupation Transfer of Non-Commissioned Members Regular Force describes the policy and procedures that guide the transfer of non-commissioned members (NCMs) from one military occupation (MOC) to another. Paragraph 25 of this CFAO lists the other references that are related to this order.

Although CFAO 11-12 has not been officially updated in several years it is still considered current. While some of the terms and organizations that this order refers to have changed, the policy and procedures that are explained remain essentially in tact.

COTP:
CFAO 11-12 is the reference that prescribes the policy and procedures of the COTP program. This program is designed to allow eligible members to apply for occupation transfer to the following MOSIDs on a continuing basis.

LOTP:
CFAO 11-12 is the reference that prescribes the policy and procedures of the LOTP program. View the LOTP Data Base to make sure we have received your application. Since offers are made to LOTP applicants based on the date of their application, you can also use this database as a guide in order to estimate where you sit on the waiting list for your MOC choice(s).

The following factors play a key role in determining when or whether an LOTP applicant will receive an offer for occupation transfer:

The number of training positions available in the chosen MOC.
The number of training serials (courses) the training organization runs each year.
The number of LOTP applicants who are applying for the chosen MOC.
It is imperative to note that the information provided here may change as a result of many parameters that affect the OT process.
__________________________________________________________________________________________

*MOC reassignments are not listed under ISS as the mbr is still on the CDA BTL list IIRC.

The ONLY amendment to the CFAO is found in ADM (HR-Mil) Instruction 05/05, specifically Annex G, Appendix 1 - CFAO Amendments.  (link below to CFA0 11-12 and ADM (HR-Mil) Instr 05/05 Annex G Appendix 1) *IntraNet links only

http://admfincs.mil.ca/admfincs/subjects/cfao/011-12_e.asp

http://hr3.ottawa-hull.mil.ca/docs/instruction/instructions/engraph/0505_AnnG1_e.asp

OTs are not impossible, however:

1. there are restrictions on the # of people allowed to OT out of a trade in a given FY (re: PML/TES, health, OUTCAP #s);
2. the prerequisites a mbr MUST meet are laid out in CFAO 11-12 for any VOT (Compulsory, Voluntary, MOC Reassignments and Career Progression Occupation Transfers);
3. you are also required to meet any/all educational/medical/other requirements for the trade you are attempting to OT in to; and
4. an OT is something you apply for; there is no guaruntee you will get it.  You can hope for it.  Don't plan on it.

EITS








Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Journeyman on August 21, 2009, 12:11:41
Now you just know that your trade examples are going to cause a whole flurry of traffic, seeking info on Widget Tech and Brass Magnet Tech   ;D


(which will somehow end up with another six bitter AT threads bitchin' about the Mods  ::) )
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Eye In The Sky on August 21, 2009, 13:10:56
If thats the case...

*a picture is worth a thousand words*

Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Jingo on August 21, 2009, 13:12:18
If thats the case...

*a picture is worth a thousand words*

I used to have one by my desk that said "I CFAT People"

Everyone like that!
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: bran on August 21, 2009, 15:23:07
Apparently there is no more recruiting for Infantry until April 2010. My question is, if I'm doing a CT would I still have to wait til then to be accepted?
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Otis on August 21, 2009, 22:03:17
Apparently there is no more recruiting for Infantry until April 2010. My question is, if I'm doing a CT would I still have to wait til then to be accepted?

CT is different from Direct Entry ... numbers for CT do not count against the SIP (Strategic Intake Plan) as they do not increase the overall number of persons in the CF.

Having said that though,depending on how long your CT application takes, I can see you running into the training backlog created by the full intake ... but that's just speculation on my part ...

Otis
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Otis on August 21, 2009, 22:06:29
EITS:

I TOTALLY love your post about OT!!

I am going to steal it and print it and any time anyone asks me about "If I get in now as a ****, can I change later into a ****" I'm going to hand them this.

THEN maybe people will stop accusing Recruiters of lying to people!  :threat:

Great post ... very detailed (and MAN you have way more patience than me for looking up crap)

Otis
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: bran on August 21, 2009, 22:09:38
CT is different from Direct Entry ... numbers for CT do not count against the SIP (Strategic Intake Plan) as they do not increase the overall number of persons in the CF.

Having said that though,depending on how long your CT application takes, I can see you running into the training backlog created by the full intake ... but that's just speculation on my part ...

Otis

Would this be the same if I have to do BMQ, SQ and DP1?
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Michael O'Leary on August 21, 2009, 22:12:38
Apparently there is no more recruiting for Infantry until April 2010. My question is, if I'm doing a CT would I still have to wait til then to be accepted?

Possibly not.  If the halt on Infantry recruiting is based upon a backlog of completed files facing a limit on how many can be put through BMQ/DP1, then there remains the possibility that a CT into the infantry as a trained soldier may still be possible.

Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Eye In The Sky on August 22, 2009, 11:43:31
EITS:

I TOTALLY love your post about OT!!

I am going to steal it and print it and any time anyone asks me about "If I get in now as a ****, can I change later into a ****" I'm going to hand them this.

THEN maybe people will stop accusing Recruiters of lying to people!  :threat:

Great post ... very detailed (and MAN you have way more patience than me for looking up crap)

Otis

Unfortunately, I became so versed in the policies, directives etc on OTing out of necessity when I applied for COTP-AES Op and had 3 or 4 people (CPO2s to CWOs) who thought I was stupid because I was "only a Cpl" and they could just say "you can't OT".  I can say, it sure felt good to see that VOT offer message come across my desk a few months later.  It felt even better to have those same people sign my clearance card during my out-routine. 

Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: bran on August 22, 2009, 18:33:34
Possibly not.  If the halt on Infantry recruiting is based upon a backlog of completed files facing a limit on how many can be put through BMQ/DP1, then there remains the possibility that a CT into the infantry as a trained soldier may still be possible.
What about being untrained?
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Michael O'Leary on August 22, 2009, 19:25:36
What about being untrained?

If you are an untrained candidate, then you're behind the same limitations holding back everyone at the CFRCs.  I'd suggest asking, but if the training shortfall is at the BMQ level, then you'll probably be waiting too.
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: CFR FCS on August 23, 2009, 09:56:35
Otis,
You are misinformed. CT's are counted as part of the SIP as the SIP is allocated by MOSID's not total numbers.









 
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Retired FDO on August 23, 2009, 12:28:20
Otis is right. CFRG gets it's numbers from the Occupation Managers. Some are held back by the OM for CT's. Skilled applicants are different again. Usually in March we get positions that were not filled. Stay in touch with your CFRC.

About the choices, we do recommend that you put down more than one choice. However, ONLY if you will accept the second or third choice. If you only want one put down one.

We do tell people that an occupation transfer is "possible but not guaranteed" You can put in the request but don't be disappointed if it doesn't happen. I know guys put in an OT every year for 18 years and never got it and I know guys that got the OT in a couple of months and everything in between. So basically "you pays your money and takes you chance"
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Jingo on August 23, 2009, 12:33:55
Now I'm confused... are CT's part of the SIP or not.  :-\
I know that CFR FCS is in the know...and i have heard what he has said before. But what Otis is saying makes sense too...

CFRG Please Speak up and clarify! lol
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Roy Harding on August 23, 2009, 12:43:55
Now I'm confused... are CT's part of the SIP or not. ...

Me too!.

Otis, CFR FCS and FDO are all respected recruiters.

I suspect that an order or policy has either been overlooked by or not promulgated to one or two of them.  I'm familiar with the phenomenon, happened to me all the time in the RMS world.

Gents:  I know y'all are busy - would it be possible to clarify/verify when you get a chance?


Roy
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Otis on August 23, 2009, 22:21:49
Me too!.

Otis, CFR FCS and FDO are all respected recruiters.

I suspect that an order or policy has either been overlooked by or not promulgated to one or two of them.  I'm familiar with the phenomenon, happened to me all the time in the RMS world.

Gents:  I know y'all are busy - would it be possible to clarify/verify when you get a chance?


Roy

Well me, I'M just a little old first-line recruiter ... but I HAVE seen the lists where the SIP is separated from the CT positions.

If you don't believe me, I'd DEFINATELY believe FDO ... seeing as he IS the SNR NCO in charge of all the people doing all of the processing at CFRC Toronto (the ones doing all of the Security Checks, the Background Checks, the Money Reimbursements, the MERIT LISTING, SELECTION and, most importantly, the JOB OFFERS!!!)

I think if ANYONE would know which numbers are which, and which count against which list etc ... it'd be THAT guy ... but I could be wrong {he said sarcastically}

I don't know CFR FCS, or where he works exactly, but I'm pretty sure he just hasn't had the opportunity to see the COMPLETE list (with CT and OT spots) hence the confusion.

Our apologies ... we'll sort out our s**t ... but you can see now how people can believe they're being mis-lead sometimes ...  ;D
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Jingo on August 24, 2009, 08:58:05
Otis,

Not wanting to leak who CFR FCS is... he is not a recruiter or a file manager and he's more than a regular MCC....  ;)

He's had the opportunity, believe me...Very much in the know aswell...
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: GAP on August 24, 2009, 09:16:37
Otis,

Not wanting to leak who CFR FCS is... he is not a recruiter or a file manager and he's more than a regular MCC....  ;)

He's had the opportunity, believe me...Very much in the know aswell...

take it to PM's....there is PERSEC here also....
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Otis on August 24, 2009, 19:59:26
I'm tired.

I quit.

Otis

Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Retired FDO on August 25, 2009, 22:05:07
Otis you can't quit, slaves are sold and we wouldn't get much for you! How about a couple of days off instead. Take Saturday and Sunday unless your otherwise tasked.

Never say I don't care!

Back to the topic at hand. No matter who has what positions or how they are divided, as it stands right now we have NO Regforce Infantry positions available for unskilled applicants and won't have for the foreseeable future. So if you want to go Infantry it aint going to happen. Build a bridge and get over it or go with a second choice.


CFRC Toronto, OUT!
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Larkvall on August 25, 2009, 22:45:58
Apparently the Navy is looking for people.
Maybe some of the Recruiters can post some of the Navy jobs that are open. Once in the Navy you might be able to join the tactical boarding party. Getting into a fire fight with pirates on board a fully loaded super tanker isn't a boring task.
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Eye In The Sky on August 26, 2009, 10:35:17
Apparently the Navy is looking for people.
Maybe some of the Recruiters can post some of the Navy jobs that are open. Once in the Navy you might be able to join the tactical boarding party. Getting into a fire fight with pirates on board a fully loaded super tanker isn't a boring task.

*Sigh*

It is called the Naval Boarding Party.  Unless I've missed something, I don't recall seeing or hearing about one of our NBPs getting into a firefight with pirates aboard anything.  Nor am I sure the NBPs are trained up to retake a vessel that is in the hands of armed pirates, but think that task, if ever done, would be left to "other" units. 
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Larkvall on August 26, 2009, 10:50:33
*Sigh*

It is called the Naval Boarding Party.  Unless I've missed something, I don't recall seeing or hearing about one of our NBPs getting into a firefight with pirates aboard anything.  Nor am I sure the NBPs are trained up to retake a vessel that is in the hands of armed pirates, but think that task, if ever done, would be left to "other" units.

Okay, people should just wait to get into infantry then.
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Retired FDO on August 26, 2009, 13:11:01
Most Navy trades are wide open right now. Especially the Tech trades. As for NBP we are the "others" How long would it take to get "others" out to Mid Atlantic or off the Horn of Africa to do the job? Too long! If anyone has any specific questions on NBP the send me a PM. I'd be gald to tell you any stories I've got (that I can) from over 20 years and 3 theater tours and the KATIE, as a member of an NBP.
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Robodad on August 26, 2009, 13:15:14
Now I'm confused... are CT's part of the SIP or not.  :-\
I know that CFR FCS is in the know...and i have heard what he has said before. But what Otis is saying makes sense too...

CFRG Please Speak up and clarify! lol
Here's the link to the current SIP (as of 10 Jul 09)
http://hr.ottawa-hull.mil.ca/dgmp/dpgr/downloads/parra_psr_bpd/SIP_09_10_REV2_b.xls
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Eye In The Sky on August 26, 2009, 13:17:28
*The Others*

:)
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Larkvall on August 26, 2009, 13:29:54
Most Navy trades are wide open right now. Especially the Tech trades. As for NBP we are the "others" How long would it take to get "others" out to Mid Atlantic or off the Horn of Africa to do the job? Too long! If anyone has any specific questions on NBP the send me a PM. I'd be gald to tell you any stories I've got (that I can) from over 20 years and 3 theater tours and the KATIE, as a member of an NBP.

Here is a video of HMCS Ville de Quebec escorting World Food Programme ships. They also provided a force protection component to the World Food Programme ships.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH7_TruJvGk
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Retired FDO on August 26, 2009, 13:31:58
You mean I'd get to meet Charlie Sheen?
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: standingdown on August 26, 2009, 17:00:48
As for NBP we are the "others" How long would it take to get "others" out to Mid Atlantic or off the Horn of Africa to do the job? Too long!

Recent American experience shows that the "others" are perfect in such situations...they can get on scene even before Charlie Sheen.

If someone wants to be a gucci boat driver, they can do it from any element of the CF after two years...
Title: No Infantry Spots Until Approx. April 2010- Merged
Post by: RecruitInWaiting on September 20, 2009, 18:29:33
Went by the Kingston CFRC last week and found out Infantry isn't being taken until April, but he handed me sheets for Combat Engineer (still accepting,) Field Artillery, and Armoured (both "in demand.") Have heard a few less-than-favourable anecdotes about this recruiting centre and wondered if there's any option for me other than sitting around for the next six months waiting for my spot.
Title: Re: Not taking Infantry, but Armoured and Arty are in demand?
Post by: aesop081 on September 20, 2009, 18:32:19
Have heard a few less-than-favourable anecdotes about this recruiting centre and wondered if there's any option for me other than sitting around for the next six months waiting for my spot.

Of course there is another option. You can always apply for another trade. Infantry is closed until April.
Title: Re: Not taking Infantry, but Armoured and Arty are in demand?
Post by: FromSafetyDataNOTSafe on September 20, 2009, 18:38:26
Went by the Kingston CFRC last week and found out Infantry isn't being taken until April, but he handed me sheets for Combat Engineer (still accepting,) Field Artillery, and Armoured (both "in demand.") Have heard a few less-than-favourable anecdotes about this recruiting centre and wondered if there's any option for me other than sitting around for the next six months waiting for my spot.
I was dead set on infantry myself. The day before my interview (last in my app process) I was informed the trade was full, until April. I could of sat around, waiting for them to start hiring again, but instead... I'm leaving for BMQ in two weeks. Up to you.
Title: Re: Not taking Infantry, but Armoured and Arty are in demand?
Post by: kratz on September 20, 2009, 18:44:11
The intake for Infatnry recruits has been on hold for a number of weeks nationally now. This is an ongoing discussion at this thread (http://forums.navy.ca/forums/index.php/topic,88342.0.html).
Title: Re: Not taking Infantry, but Armoured and Arty are in demand?
Post by: Neolithium on September 20, 2009, 18:46:05
I heard the same thing when I was getting my application all put together, fortunately there were many in demand options that interested me.  *Crosses fingers hoping Armour doesn't fill up before his app is looked at*
Title: Re: Not taking Infantry, but Armoured and Arty are in demand?
Post by: RecruitInWaiting on September 20, 2009, 18:49:42
To be honest if that's the case I'll just wait. Gives me another six months to get in better shape.

Besides, joining and remustering to infantry would take way longer than six months :p.
Title: Re: Not taking Infantry, but Armoured and Arty are in demand?
Post by: c4th on September 20, 2009, 19:26:08
If you are dead set on infantry then I guess you are waiting.  If you don't want to wait I recommend taking a look at the combat engineer trade. 
Title: Re: Not taking Infantry, but Armoured and Arty are in demand?
Post by: Flashbang on September 20, 2009, 23:22:42
Just look at as more time to prepare. Also, the recruitment process isn't instant so by the time you go through everything it could be right away so you're still not losing any time waiting.
Title: So this means, no BMQ for Infantry guys?
Post by: Tomb32 on September 21, 2009, 23:20:08
First, i like to mention that the "search" isn't working. Maybe it's just mine computer or it's the site. I'm getting no results.

On topic, since Infantry is filled till April, and you can't start BMQ till you have  job offer, does this mean that you have to wait until April or later to start BMQ(assuming all paper work and tests have been completed)? Or you can start/finish BMQ before and do BIQ in April or after?
Title: Re: So this means, no BMQ for Infantry guys?
Post by: Michael O'Leary on September 21, 2009, 23:22:35
On topic, since Infantry is filled till April, and you can't start BMQ till you have  job offer, does this mean that you have to wait until April or later to start BMQ(assuming all paper work and tests have been completed)?

Yes, that's what it means.

Or you can start/finish BMQ before and do BIQ in April or after?

No, not according to what people have posted here after talking to the Recruiting Centres.  They have indicated there will be no new offers for Infantry until April.

Title: Re: So this means, no BMQ for Infantry guys?
Post by: dapaterson on September 22, 2009, 00:05:07
Part of this is tied to training capacity at the Infantry school- there are sufficient people awaiting training at all DPs that the course calendar is full - so there's no point in bringing in more folks to do nothing after BMQ/SQ.

The CF's training capacity is finite; brining in more folks to overborne occupations like infantryman increases training backlogs and doesn't address critical shortfalls.
Title: Im In Need Of Some Help...[No Infantry Spots Until April 2010?]
Post by: ozn0g on September 25, 2009, 03:42:15
So I have just graduated from High School and the army was pretty much my number one choice coming out. I picked up an application at the beginning of the summer. I began preparing by weight training and running every second day. I feel 100% prepared psychically and mentally. I today I brought in my filled out application for the infantry to the recruiting center in Victoria BC. However the recruiting officer told me that the infantry was full...? 2000 some odd jobs gone in 2 months. The recruiting officer I talked to before told me it was in high demand earlier. So now I can either way until approx. April to try and join again... Or choose field arty. Because honestly none of the other jobs have any appeal to me. Any thoughts or words on this? Is there actually no jobs in the infantry until April?  ???
Title: Re: Im In Need Of Some Help...
Post by: Flashbang on September 25, 2009, 03:49:08
Stick with infantry if that's what you really want to do. The whole recruitment process (in my opinion) can take from 3 to 9 months. By the time all the paper work is filled out and all the testing and interviews are complete it should be a short wait.
Title: Re: Im In Need Of Some Help...
Post by: ozn0g on September 25, 2009, 03:51:46
I think i might do res and then transfer to reg... but im unsure. Btw sorry i didnt realize this is being discussed in a few threads already. Seems it is backed up until April.
Title: Re: Im In Need Of Some Help...
Post by: CFR FCS on September 25, 2009, 08:12:33
The demand for Infantry is always high but the capacity to train them is somewhat strained at the moment. The training system is full. We really need Armoured Soldiers (Crewman) and Artillerymen - Field right now. If you have researched those occupations and still want to wait for Infantryman make sure your recruiter knows this. Also be aware that processing for closed occupations is slower than for occupations in high demand. Best of Luck. 
Title: Re: Im In Need Of Some Help...
Post by: gcclarke on September 25, 2009, 17:26:39
And I would also suggest that if you do decide to wait until spots for Infantry open up again, keep in mind that you're not likely to be the only one also doing this. As was mentioned, the training system is at the moment strained, so even come April, there will be a limited number of spots available, and everyone else who's been waiting for the trade to open up again will suddenly be your competition.
Title: Re: Im In Need Of Some Help...
Post by: jeffb on September 25, 2009, 20:36:04
I think i might do res and then transfer to reg... but im unsure. Btw sorry i didnt realize this is being discussed in a few threads already. Seems it is backed up until April.

That isn't a horrible idea if you can get by without the full-time income. It may take a little longer to get your training done but at least you'll be doing something and getting on with your career. I spent some time in the reserves (Infantry) when I was finishing High School and I found the experience to be excellent in helping me decide what I did, and did not, want to do with my life.

Best of luck!
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: SET on October 03, 2009, 14:24:38
Is it likely to NOT recieve an offer for Infantry in 2010, if you've applied now and waited. I understand the strain on training capabilities, and the fact of how many people apply for these positions.

I'm just hoping to get an idea if I will be waiting until April 2010, or April 2011.    :D

Also, lots of respect for those rising to the call for Armoured Crew and Artillery. Pretty selfless to change your career plans for your country. Props!  I couldnt do it ...   :-[
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Jaybar on October 04, 2009, 04:38:29
Is it likely to NOT receive an offer for Infantry in 2010, if you've applied now and waited. I understand the strain on training capabilities, and the fact of how many people apply for these positions.

I'm just hoping to get an idea if I will be waiting until April 2010, or April 2011.    :D

Also, lots of respect for those rising to the call for Armoured Crew and Artillery. Pretty selfless to change your career plans for your country. Props!  I couldn't do it ...   :-[

This is my main concern too, I've already applied, Backcheck is done and now I've got to schedule my med/interview/CFAT but I'm hoping I don't miss the boat again in 2010 and have to wait until 2011... Might be switching to Armoured or Combat Engineer if that happens.
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: Neolithium on October 04, 2009, 11:57:59
Might be switching to Armoured or Combat Engineer if that happens.
I believe I remember reading somewhere that Combat Engineers are full until April as well, seems like things have been filling up relatively quick, I've gone with the approach of picking more than my "Big 3" MOC choices, just in case.  Fortunately, for me, there are many trades that hold my interest.
Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: George Wallace on October 04, 2009, 12:08:06
OK!

You guys have all been given the opportunity to pick three Trades.  If you prefer to go with only your prefered first choice, then why did you pick two others? 

If your Trade is closed now, and you prefer unemployment in your wait for it to open again, perhaps you should also consider the thousands who each day decide to do the same and will be adding expotentially to your competition for that Trade.  The longer you wait, the more people enter into competition for the few openings that come along.  Instead of gaining some experience in the CF, you remain unemployed, and perhaps loose points towards beating the others out in the future.

For those who will only go Infantry, (the topic of this thread) have you bothered to research how many Infantry soldiers are looking to make a Occupational Transfer to some of the Trades you have disregarded?

Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: SET on October 06, 2009, 18:15:00
Hopefully they hire me in 2010.   :)


Title: Re: About Getting Into Infantry
Post by: MikeL on October 06, 2009, 18:34:03
Yes you can OT out of the Infantry aslong as the trade you want is open, you  meet the requirements for it, etc. Also, just because you apply for an OT doesn't mean you will get it.
Title: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: The_Unabooboo on April 29, 2010, 13:46:15
  I went in for my interview and medical this week and was told that there are no more openings for Infantry and Combat Engineers.  Only things open in the combat arms are Artillery Solider and Armoured Crewmen. :(   
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: McD on April 29, 2010, 14:08:23
I hope that's because you hadn't yet done your interview and medical - given that it would take time for it to come back signed off on and then review etcetc.

Yesterday I was told I should be hearing soon.  Thanks for spooking me.
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: TheNoob on April 29, 2010, 15:52:20
I went for my Medical yesterday and they told me Infantry and Artillery is closed. They told me Armoured is still opened.
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: Blecter on April 29, 2010, 19:05:14
When I changed my application (from Officer to NCM) mid-March, my recruiter told me that the Forces were hiring 33 Combat Engineers Nation-wide. Also told me that Infantry was remaining closed. Luckily I was offered one of those Combat Engineer positions less than a week later  :)

The CO of my recruiting center also informed me that the Forces are going into a reduction phase, so I'd say they won't be looking for many people in the next few years for the trades that are currently full/nearly full or over full (just my thoughts, as I am only connected to recruiting as an applicant).
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: McD on April 29, 2010, 19:31:11
Well, Im puzzled that if that is the case why on March 17 I was still interviewed for these trades. And merit listed last week and told I'll hear something soon yesterday. I will be there when doors open tomorrow now in case I need to start over. The LS looking at my profile status did say I was good to go, and should hear real soon.

I cant see that being the case if my trades are both shut down....And as for a reduction? Id think with influx like this taking it while you can would be the direction to go.

I will freak out now, despite knowing I need to hear it from them directly.
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: Tpr Bootstrap on April 29, 2010, 19:55:18
Arty is closed, had my interview for my second choice today (crewman).
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: McD on April 29, 2010, 20:54:04
Im hoping by closed that it means those who were processed before your appointments were considered to be filling the openings that were available ... I dont know why I wasn't  told any of this yesterday but that I would  be good to go. Going to be good a long night, hope I get to the bottom of it / my case tomorrow morning.


* edit for typo
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: EricSolo on April 30, 2010, 04:25:46
So I'm guessing, the only position out of my 3 choices is now just armoured crewmen? if my 1st choice was infantry, 2ND armoured soldier, and 3rd artillery, I'm left with my 2ND choice as soon as my interview is over? man this is such a long wait but i know it'll be worth it.
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: galaxy on April 30, 2010, 10:01:35
Has anyone heard how many Crewmen they are hiring this year? I have all of my stuff happening on Monday; I'm getting slightly worried since I was told a week ago that Artillery, air and field, was still open.
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: TimBit on April 30, 2010, 10:08:54
37 Crewmen, 0 Infantry, 0 Field Arty, 3 AD Arty, 0 Cbt Eng.

However, lots of Sig Ops and lots of MP's, for those interested.
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: galaxy on April 30, 2010, 18:08:55
Cool, thanks. I got a phone call today, Crewmen is officially closed now. 2 AD arty left, so I went for that as my other choice as well as Sig Op. Is there any education required besides Grade 12 for MP? I know Edmonton Police Service has either 2 years of work experience or the Police Studies Diploma (or whatever it is called), I can't see MP being too far off of that, if even that much of a requirement.
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: NinerSix on April 30, 2010, 18:22:02
The MP sub forum is chock full of info on the requirements.
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: The_Unabooboo on April 30, 2010, 20:25:42
   You sure the armoured is closed.  I was in on Monday for my medical and interview and was tolled I was getting merit listed and to expect the call with in two-three weeks.  Or maybe I'm already in that group they want.  Who knows.  I'm supposed to call Monday to follow up.
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: Tpr Bootstrap on April 30, 2010, 21:21:52
Cool, thanks. I got a phone call today, Crewmen is officially closed now. 2 AD arty left, so I went for that as my other choice as well as Sig Op. Is there any education required besides Grade 12 for MP? I know Edmonton Police Service has either 2 years of work experience or the Police Studies Diploma (or whatever it is called), I can't see MP being too far off of that, if even that much of a requirement.

You're dealing with Edmonton too? I was in there yesterday for my interview (CFAT and medical too) and was told there were 19 positions open for Crewman. That'd be mighty crazy if 19 people got job offers yesterday/today.
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: The_Unabooboo on April 30, 2010, 21:46:39
  Well this is what I heard Monday, that there were 75 openings for crewmen.  Not sure if this is a correct number but I doubt they would have filled all the slots in a week what ever it is.  And I'm pretty sure they'll be checking to make sure they get all the really good candidates before closing it.  And the way my interviewer paralytically begged me to seriously consider it makes me think that there isn't and real danger of it closing this quickly.  My applications also out of Toronto so there may be a difference based on the information they have gotten from Ottawa.

You're dealing with Edmonton too? I was in there yesterday for my interview (CFAT and medical too) and was told there were 19 positions open for Crewman. That'd be mighty crazy if 19 people got job offers yesterday/today.
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: McD on April 30, 2010, 22:47:18
I let this thread scare the crap out of me yesterday. There is such discrepancy between what one member says that came from "the horse" they spoke to (No offense to Recruiters out there take what positives you can from that and know I'm not likening you to say, Mr Ed ) and not only is it varying from one end of the country to the other but amongst levels within these RCs.

I feel like a suck hole for letting myself get worked up over this, not likely a characteristic of an Infantry Soldier. Not the one I want to be anyway.

For us to assume or speculate as to what is happening is like taking a quick smoke(or dip) after dinner because for 5 seconds we might feel fan Fing tastic. But it really creates no impact but harmful side effects (other can of worms) that are toxic (literally and elsewise). Whats to gain? It might put you at ease to read armour is open or infantry is open...What realistic effect does that have on your application ? None

I know what my recruiter told me, keeps telling me when I check in as per his instructions, and told me today. And I have a feeling, just a feeling it only impacts ME. So maybe for the greater good since we can already point out the discrepancy between accounts and calls and visits to the CFRCs in your respective cities...we go with the facts.

Beyond knowing what you're being processed for we (recruit hopefuls) know Jack about what is going to happen.

Here are some examples, if I had my computer I would find the links over the last couple weeks to support this

There is the;
"oh BMQ is shut down till October it's full till then...annnd then a gentleman going to infantry gets an august date"

The;
"xx of armoured, artillery, infantry etc versus xy amoured , artillery, infantry"

I'd go on but I don't want to rant or appear to be anymore than I am.

In short... What do we know!? That everyone gets told something different. Wait till there's paperwork that you need to sign that's going to confirm or discredit the "Internet info" .

I am just saying this because I realized how dumb I was to think or worry about my application based on nothing more than hearsay- until proven otherwise. And I am sure I haven't been the first.

Chins up and heads high lads and ladies. And good luck
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: aesop081 on April 30, 2010, 23:03:08
In short... What do we know!?

I guess all us dinosaurs who keep saying to relax and stop jumping onto every single rumour you hear (usualy from other clueless applicants) were on to something all this time eh ?
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: McD on April 30, 2010, 23:31:53
I guess all us dinosaurs who keep saying to relax and stop jumping onto every single rumour you hear (usualy from other clueless applicants) were on to something all this time eh ?

Completely. I apologize for possibly contributing nothing but redundancy here.

I am not goiing to let that happen again, I am shocked I did period. I wish I caught some of you 'Dinosaurs' advice...I bit on this one. First and last time.

While I have ya ... Do you have a cure all for 1st fiances who go psycho? Have you rode that rodeo yet? Is there a thread here?
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: aesop081 on April 30, 2010, 23:36:18
Have you rode that rodeo yet?

Yup and i let her go 8 years later. Wasn't worth the trouble.
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: Alea on April 30, 2010, 23:50:04
Yup and i let her go 8 years later. Wasn't worth the trouble.

Ha ha ha... nice comment CDN Aviator!
So what are you saying? He should let HIS fiancé go?

Alea
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: aesop081 on April 30, 2010, 23:57:03
So what are you saying? He should let HIS fiancé go?

He asked if i had a "cure all" so........ ;D

Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: standingdown on May 01, 2010, 00:02:03
I'm totally getting a pre-nup!
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: Alea on May 01, 2010, 00:05:34
MCD,

I find your question very interesting.
I suggest you search for a possible existing thread (which I doubt) on the subject and if not maybe create it. This could help others... but by all means... don't let go of your fiancé!

I guess it is always a matter of getting used to the situation. It is such a big change in life. A lot of military people have been married for a long time.
Anyhow, it is often a bit difficult to cope with for the ones who are in loved with a partner in the army and it takes communication, comprehension and LOVE to put up with it.

Alea

P.S.: CDN Aviator... I'm teasing you :)... I wanted to tell you PM but you don't have one ;)
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: Alea on May 01, 2010, 00:08:57
I'm totally getting a pre-nup!

Sorry, english is not my first language and sometimes a run accross expressions that I don't understand. pre-nup? What's that?
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: 2010newbie on May 01, 2010, 01:22:49
Sorry, english is not my first language and sometimes a run accross expressions that I don't understand. pre-nup? What's that?
Prenuptial agreement. An agreement that is signed prior to marriage that defines the specific terms of a divorce, if it ever was to happen. Who gets the house, car, family pet, financial settlements, and alimony payments are things that could be included. Nothing like planning for success!!
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: aesop081 on May 01, 2010, 01:46:49
Nothing like planning for success!!

I chose to look at it this way :

"If you fail to plan, you plan to fail"

Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: McD on May 01, 2010, 01:47:49
I was pretty much kidding around. So no worries Alea, it's all good. Though I did have a ring on a girlies finger back in September and she did go loooopy her resurfacing was met with action similar to what CDN Aviator wa alluding too. Actually me enlisting triggered a Jekyll Hyde in the fiancé I escaped alive, one and more recently a girl I started seeing in January as well. So really I already feel like I owe my CFRC cake and Hortons. I digress, this thread will likely get locked now haha

No need for new thread Alea- there's one about this kind of stuff anyway.

Ps
pre nups are planning for survivability. Anything can happen.
 

Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: Alea on May 01, 2010, 02:08:05
Prenuptial agreement. An agreement that is signed prior to marriage that defines the specific terms of a divorce, if it ever was to happen. Who gets the house, car, family pet, financial settlements, and alimony payments are things that could be included. Nothing like planning for success!!

Thank you for the kind infos 2010newbie :) 

McD: I'm happy to know your "all set" ;) I had no idea their would be a thread of this kind on here... not sure I want to get into it either :)

Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: 2010newbie on May 01, 2010, 02:16:56

Ps
pre nups are planning for survivability. Anything can happen.

I chose to look at it this way :

"If you fail to plan, you plan to fail"

I agree that there are definitely some situations that require a prenuptial agreement. Instances where one of the individuals owns a company, owns significant assets, extreme disparity between incomes or financial situation (debt), and similar situations. Maybe it is a little old-school, but personnally I can't see myself entertaining the thought of a prenup. Mind you I have never been married, so I'm going to reserve my right to change my opinion in the future.......... :)
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: The_Unabooboo on May 01, 2010, 02:30:03
  Ommmm.  OK.  I start a post with what I was actually told about whats up @ CFRC Toronto and all of the sudden people are talking about pre nups.( scratches head)  Well this thread was all about how there not looking for infantry or combat engineers because, lets face it, they've been backed up on people wanting in these for like 3 years now.   I think next time I'll just keep my mouth shut.       
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: Alea on May 01, 2010, 02:51:59
  Ommmm.  OK.  I start a post with what I was actually told about whats up @ CFRC Toronto and all of the sudden people are talking about pre nups.( scratches head)  Well this thread was all about how there not looking for infantry or combat engineers because, lets face it, they've been backed up on people wanting in these for like 3 years now.   I think next time I'll just keep my mouth shut.     

You're right, we went a bit out of the path of the original subject. I apologize on behalf of all of us. However, nobody is asking you to keep your mouth shut.
I think what everybody is trying to get us understand is: keep cool!
A lot of us are in your shoes, waiting for a job offer, hoping we can join the big family and wanting to succeed. Unfortunatly some while some trades are still opened, others close... what can you do about it?
I have no advice to give. All I can say is PATIENCE and make sure with your recruter you have the right information... like McD stated in his thread: we often get worked up for the wrong reasons.

Back to this thread's topic now ;)

Alea

Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: Miller97 on May 01, 2010, 02:55:43
CFRC Hamilton told me that there was 165 positions nationwide, april 23rd i was merit listed as it was my first choice, waiting on the offer. :cdnsalute:
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: Tlaidler on May 01, 2010, 13:38:59
i just got a job offer for avs tech my 3rd choice....ive been waiting for infantry since sept 08 and i still want it but who knows how long it will take. i start bmq nov 1
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: galaxy on May 01, 2010, 16:05:53
CFRC Hamilton told me that there was 165 positions nationwide, april 23rd i was merit listed as it was my first choice, waiting on the offer. :cdnsalute:

Well, I certainly hope that is the case, nothing I would dislike more than having to wait another year or having to choose a boring trade.
Title: Open trades?
Post by: Ares89 on May 01, 2010, 22:57:41
Here's my problem, yesterday my recruiter leaves me a message, saying that all of the trades i've applied to (cbt engineer, materials tech, and artillery soldier) have just closed and that i have to pick a new trade so that i can do my Interview. In the message he mentioned that Signals operator as well as LCSI tech were available, but I'm not too keen on either of those. Since it's now the weekend the recruiting office is closed and my CFAT, interview, and medical are first thing monday.

So if anyone has any information on other trades that are open (specifically i'd like to know about infantry and armoured soldier) or when the trades I applied for might open up again, I could really use the help.
Title: Re: Open trades?
Post by: PuckChaser on May 01, 2010, 22:59:23
I think theres already about 80 topics on the forums about which Combat arms trades are open and which are closed. Popular rumour seems to state that most of the CA trades are closed, and the CF is only really hiring for understrength occupations.
Title: Re: Open trades?
Post by: McD on May 02, 2010, 00:09:55
It is hit or mis my friend. I was told everything I was applying for was closed, I knew what I wanted. I stuck with it and Im merit listed now.  Im reading ALL trades on www.forces.ca incase I get hurt or anything like that and tell you what, AES OP, SIG OP, and COMM RSCH look pretty appealing. Especially AES OP. And I never considered Sig or Communications before. And never heard of AES OP till I watched an excruciating episode of Basic Up and a Sergeant mentioned it during staff introductions.

Good luck. Explore a bit out of your realm. That was some advice I got here.
Title: Re: Open trades?
Post by: Otis on May 02, 2010, 00:28:41
Crewman (Amoured Soldier) is still open ...
Title: Re: Open trades?
Post by: Weapon tech on May 02, 2010, 08:24:30
HI Ares,

Right now all trade are closing pretty fast, I know if you want to go medic they are open. Navy trade are mostly open if i remember from Friday.
You should look on the website www.forces.gc.ca to see the trade. they give you some informations about it and some have the video about the job.

BTW if you are not sure about the trade do no rush to get in. When you choose your trade you sign a contract and do that trade for what around 3 years. Yes you can change trade on the road but sometime it takes long time before be able too.

What i mean is if nothing interest you wait for next year when your trade will be open again.

Good luck,
Private Beaton
Title: Re: Open trades?
Post by: Alea on May 02, 2010, 14:51:32
HI Ares,

BTW if you are not sure about the trade do no rush to get in. When you choose your trade you sign a contract and do that trade for what around 3 years. Yes you can change trade on the road but sometime it takes long time before be able too.

What i mean is if nothing interest you wait for next year when your trade will be open again.

Good luck,
Private Beaton

This sounds like pretty good advice to me.
Getting into the CF is a big decision that involves the rest of our lives... at least for those who want that.
The bottom line is: we don't want to join and be a coal nut to the army because we couldn't choose the right trade or had to take what's left opened.
Working a job that you like makes it so much easier to go through life ;)

Ares,
I wish you to find a trade that really appeals you. You can read about all these on this link:
http://www.forces.ca/html/index.aspx?m=0&sid=81&sm1=2&sm2=0&content=81&lang=en

Alea
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: xKraven on May 03, 2010, 12:09:20
Is there a difference between oversubcribed and closed? or does oversubcribed mean that its closed until next april? I just got an email like 14 minutes ago saying Armoured Crewman is oversubscribed now.
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: Michael O'Leary on May 03, 2010, 12:14:53
That would mean they have more than enough applications for the number of vacancies, but the Recruiting System has yet to formally announce the trade "Closed", if they plan to do so.  Despite the illusion of instantaneous communication offered by the internet, these processes are neither automatic nor immediate.
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: xKraven on May 03, 2010, 12:35:07
so theres still a chance in getting a job offer for this MOC?

dang i knew i should have put in my application earlier than last week this sucks
Title: Re: Infantry and Combat Engineers Closed.
Post by: Le Adder Noir on May 03, 2010, 13:33:22
Crewman is closed as of this date. ( As per CFRG) However, watch and shoot , trades can reopen at a moments notice.

Cheers


SB
Title: Re: Open trades?
Post by: Le Adder Noir on May 03, 2010, 14:48:21
Sorry to double post ( here and in another thread on this topic  ....note to mods..perhaps a merge is in order?)


Crewman is now closed.  Trades can close ( and sometimes mysteriously reopen) in a matter of days, best bet is to keep in contact with your CFRC.

Cheers


SB
Title: Re: Open trades?
Post by: Otis on May 03, 2010, 18:42:40

Crewman is now closed.  Trades can close ( and sometimes mysteriously reopen) in a matter of days, best bet is to keep in contact with your CFRC.

Cheers

SB

When did that happen? I was on the front desk at lunch and didn't get the message (then again our ProdO was away today ... maybe it didn't get passed on to us)
Title: Re: No Infantry Spots Until Approx. April 2010- Merged
Post by: George Wallace on May 03, 2010, 22:49:43
 ???

Have you ever applied for a job before?  Anywhere?  Not just the Canadian Forces.  If they have a job opening; doesn't matter what company, business, Canadian Forces, or whatever, they will advertise to fill it.  Once the position has been filled, they do not continue to hire for the sake of hiring.  How would they pay the extra, irrelevant hires?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: darkskye on May 03, 2010, 22:53:53
:( Sorry...
Title: Re: No Infantry Spots Until Approx. April 2010- Merged
Post by: MedKAWD on May 03, 2010, 22:56:50
What are the Recruiting Centre's doing the rest of the year?

I imagine they spend a lot of time answering their phones and explaining their methods to impatient, whiny applicants who don't understand the complicated process of recruiting.

But that would just be a guess.

The recruiter knew the positions were going to be filled quickly, why delay my application.

Because he's busy, dealing with dozens of applicants with the exact same questions as you?

Someone has to be last I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on May 03, 2010, 22:57:45
The only thing anyone can do if the Trades that they have selected are CLOSED, is to accept their Second or Third choices, or wait until such time as their desired Trade is OPEN for hiring again.  The CFRC recruits year round and with over 100 Trades offered in the CF, there should be a Trade, or more, that interests you. 
Title: Re: No Infantry Spots Until Approx. April 2010- Merged
Post by: Nuggs on May 03, 2010, 22:58:21
Hi,

I thought I would vent here as I can see other people were doing the same as I am now in the same situation. I reopened my application at the beginning of April 2010 to join the Canadian Forces as an Infantry Solider, Reg Forces. I was told when I was reopening my application there were 36 available positions for Infantry Soldier and now less than a month later, 0 positions available. I only had my medical completed last Thursday.

Please help me understand, the Canadian Forces hire once a year? What are the Recruiting Centre's doing the rest of the year? Does the Canadian Forces start to hire again in the fall? Please help!

Well since Infantry is the only trade in the Canadian Forces the recruiting centers fill it up as quickly as possible and then sip margaritas for the next 11 months  ::)

Did you ever think that maybe you weren't on their top 36 list?
Did you stop to think that maybe there are hundreds (just a guess) of people looking for one of those same 36 spots?

My suggestion would be either:

1. Keep waiting, maybe you'll get one, who knows.
2. Consider a new trade thats open.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on May 03, 2010, 23:03:15
Hello George,

Yes, I have applied for a job before! I currently work full-time for Loblaw's Head Office in their IT Department. I am a little frustrated that in less than a month all 36 positions were filled. The recruiter knew the positions were going to be filled quickly, why delay my application.

Do you know that the RECRUITER DELAYED your application?  Have you read any of the topics on this site where people have commented on the length of their application processes?  Some people have waited in the cue for two years or longer, due to difficulties with their applications.  This is not 1810, where all you needed was a pulse and the ability to be Press Ganged into the Forces.   You have to go through all the hoops like everyone else;  BackCheck, CFAT, Medical, Interview, merit listed, etc.  In today's "Information Age" it is a lot slower than in 1810.
Title: Re: No Infantry Spots Until Approx. April 2010- Merged
Post by: Alea on May 03, 2010, 23:13:59

 What are the Recruiting Centre's doing the rest of the year?


What are you implying here?
This sentence doesn't sound good do me.
You may want to read Otis' threads... he is a recruiter... not doing much "the rest of the year" on top of spending time on the forum answering our numerous questions.

I suggest you read the threads on this forum.
- You'll learn
- You'll get answers to a lot of your questions
-... you might even find out a lot of us are in your shoes.

And let me tell you, as a civilian in the process of joining the CF,  never did I walk in to the MTL recruiting center to find military personal playing hockey onto their iphones!

That being said,
Alea Jacta Est
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: TheNoob on May 04, 2010, 02:12:07
I have my interview this Thursday. My 2 choices are Armoured and Steward; they previously were Infantry, Artillery and Armoured, then the recruiting center informed me that Infantry and Artillery is closed. I'm now hearing Armoured is closed. This puts me in a bit of a pickle because I've been thinking long and hard since the day I set my interview date on what I REALLY want to do, and that's something in the Army. If I go into my interview and they offer me a job for Steward, What will happen if I decline the offer? Would I be able to wait for Armoured to open again and have another interview? How does it work?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: MedKAWD on May 04, 2010, 10:36:37
Would I be able to wait for Armoured to open again and have another interview? How does it work?

Yes.

Respectfully explain your situation, and they will keep your application on file till your desired trade opens. 

Well, there was that one guy who declines the offer and they sent him to the Château d'If....but that was like one time.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Griffon on May 04, 2010, 11:00:35
There is no requirement to accept an offer right after the interview, or at least there wasn't when I got in.  I waited six months after I was completed my application process, including the interview.  So if you get through the whole process and you know what you really want, wait for it if you can.  The last thing you want to do is join in a trade you don't want to do to "get your foot in the door".  You'll be stuck in that trade for a few years, and then you'll have to apply for an Occupational Transfer after.  If you think it's a long wait now, you should see what it's like to try to get an OT. Just stick it out, the trades you want will open again; the meat grinder always needs Noobs :D
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: xKraven on May 04, 2010, 13:24:48
much like the other guy my two choices are closed.  the only one thats open is Artillery - Air, although the only one I truly want is Crewman.  But anyways will my local CFRC still contact me about my 3rd choice and I'll still go through the whole application process or will they 'ignore' my application (for lack of better term) because my first two are closed?  sorry I don't know how this works so I'm a bit confused.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Otis on May 04, 2010, 14:35:50
As long as one of your three choices is open, we will continue to process you for those trades. When we get to the job offer part though, you KNOW which one is going to be offered to you ...
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: TheNoob on May 04, 2010, 15:16:04
Thanks for your help guys.

Would I be able to go to the recruiting center and explain my situation tomorrow? (day before the interview) and explain my situation on not wanting to go into the Navy? The last thing I want to do is go into my interview knowing i will decline the offer they will give me (pending if Armoured IS actually closed) and wasting their time. But then again, I might be offered a position in Armoured if there's a miracle.

Blah, don't know what to do.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Le Adder Noir on May 04, 2010, 15:23:26
To restate: Crewman is closed. As are the remaining combat arms.

OTIS, PM Inbound
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: TheNoob on May 04, 2010, 15:24:47
Hm. I decided to talk to a recruiter on the forces website and this is what he said...

Me:  I'm now hearing Armoured is closed.
MCpl:   Armoured Officer is closed Armoured Soldier is open

I guess that's good lol
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Le Adder Noir on May 04, 2010, 15:27:56
Crewman is closed. Just checked it again.
It is possible that the online staff are not provided with the up to date numbers ( and in CFRG numbers can change very fast).

For what its worth, I am an MCC at CFRC Hamilton.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: TheNoob on May 04, 2010, 15:31:44
Blah.

What do you think I should do SB? I don't want to go into the NAVY but steward is the only occupation I have that's currently opened.

Should I go in tomorrow and tell them my situation? Or go into the interview and tell them there?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Le Adder Noir on May 04, 2010, 15:35:32
Hmmm

My advice would be to go for you interview, and info them prior to that you want to talk to a recruiter ref other trade choices. I make a point of ensuring the applicants I interview  have the time to fully prepare themselves...

How did you do on the CFAT?

SB
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: TheNoob on May 04, 2010, 15:40:47
All I know is that I qualified for my previous occupational choices; Infantry, Artillery and Armoured. I'm not sure what I got since they didn't tell me. I know that I didn't do THAT well. But good enough for those 3 occupations.

Think I'm going to call my recruiting office right now and tell them my problem. Last thing I want is to get offered a job for an occupation that I don't really want to do.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: TheNoob on May 04, 2010, 15:53:20
I talked to a recruiting officer at my RC and he said that I will definitely get offered a job for Armoured. I told him that I'm hearing it's closed and he said "No, it's opened".  :P

Guess I'll just go for the interview and see what happens.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Le Adder Noir on May 04, 2010, 16:02:44
Firstly, how long has your app been in? ANd did he tell you you were merit listed for the position?

I don't know what the chap you were talking to is looking at, but according to the national D base, the trade is closed. If you were merit listed prior to close then good for you! If not, be prepared to ask about other trades.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: xKraven on May 04, 2010, 16:33:47
no armoured crewman is closed, I've gotten that answer my local CFRC (london) and 3 different recruiters online at forces.ca  it is definetly closed.

which is making me not like you lol since you got the job offer
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: TheNoob on May 04, 2010, 19:00:54
I put my application in on March 3rd, so it's been a fast process for me.

I have a feeling that Armoured is indeed closed and my recruitment center doesn't have updated numbers. Or it may be the other way around. He sounded very confident saying Armoured is opened which gives me a little hope. Also, I have a little hope due to the online recruiter on the Forces website saying it's opened.

I have not been merit listed. I know that for sure. I may be merit listed after the interview. I'll know that on Thursday.

If I go into my interview and they say Armoured is closed, I'm going to say I'll wait until it's opened.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Lare on May 05, 2010, 00:12:11
So I handed in my application mid-March, and was told by the local Recuiter that my application wouldn't be processed until the new numbers came out in April. Once they did come out he informed me that I was being processed with the my main trade choice being Armoured(NCM), and that he had sent my application in to Vancouver to start said process.  Now, at the time my application was sent in, Armoured(NCM) was open, however now as I hear it's closed, does that mean my application is no longer being processed?

Last time I called him he said it was out of his hands and that it was in the computer in Vancouver now (Im in the okanagan, and hes the recruiter for the entire area). I asked if I should call them to see whats up, and he told me to just be patient, that its a long process (which I fully understand).

My second choice was Signal Operator, which if its still opened, as I understand my application will continue to be processed with that as the main choice?  Unlike several of the people in the thread, I have no problem doing my second choice indefinately as a career (otherwise I would not have listed it) so Im in no way shape or form 'bummed' if this is the case, main question I have is will my application continue to be processed under Armoured, even though its closed, or will it be processed under SigOp, or will it not be processed at all.

Or, for the final question, Should I just call Vancouver anyway to see what the word is on their end, or even still, just chill until I hear something from either my recruiter in the Okanagan, or Vancouver.

My thanks in advance to anyone who has the patience to continue answering these similarly themed questions over and over. 

-Mike
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Alea on May 05, 2010, 00:21:05
So I handed in my application mid-March, and was told by the local Recuiter that my application wouldn't be processed until the new numbers came out in April. Once they did come out he informed me that I was being processed with the my main trade choice being Armoured(NCM), and that he had sent my application in to Vancouver to start said process.  Now, at the time my application was sent in, Armoured(NCM) was open, however now as I hear it's closed, does that mean my application is no longer being processed?

Last time I called him he said it was out of his hands and that it was in the computer in Vancouver now (Im in the okanagan, and hes the recruiter for the entire area). I asked if I should call them to see whats up, and he told me to just be patient, that its a long process (which I fully understand).

My second choice was Signal Operator, which if its still opened, as I understand my application will continue to be processed with that as the main choice?  Unlike several of the people in the thread, I have no problem doing my second choice indefinately as a career (otherwise I would not have listed it) so Im in no way shape or form 'bummed' if this is the case, main question I have is will my application continue to be processed under Armoured, even though its closed, or will it be processed under SigOp, or will it not be processed at all.

Or, for the final question, Should I just call Vancouver anyway to see what the word is on their end, or even still, just chill until I hear something from either my recruiter in the Okanagan, or Vancouver.

My thanks in advance to anyone who has the patience to continue answering these similarly themed questions over and over. 

-Mike

Lare,

Your application will keep on being processing as long as any of your choices are still opened. It is only when the time of the interview comes that you'll have to make a choice on whether you want to wait for NCM to be opened again or you want to go with SigOp. When they call you to give you a date of interview they will tell you right away which trade they're calling you for. It will then, again, be your choice.

If you choose to wait until your first choice reopens, then they will call you when that is the case.

And really the best person to answer this question would be a recruiter.

Alea
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on May 05, 2010, 00:21:59
Ya know what Mike; just be patient.  If you are being processed for Armour, and you read all this stuff on the internet, and then go and change your mind and ask for Sig Op; all you will have succeeded in doing is open up a slot for someone else to go Armour.  Let the Recruiters do their job.  They will let you know, not me or anyone else on the internet.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Lare on May 05, 2010, 00:27:41
Ah sorry, I guess I wasn't too clear. I have no intention of switching my trade choices. Was just curious as to whether or not action was needed on my part to continue the process, and my question has been answered (and incredibly fast at that!)

Many thanks :)

-Mike
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: DavieRocket77 on May 05, 2010, 01:26:16
Hi, I called my CFRC last week to find out the status of my file and I was told that it had been transferred to a career councellor and I should get a call in a week.  I applied for Combat Engineer, Armoured Soldier, and MSE op. I have noticed many posts stating that Armoured is closed, can anyone tell me if Combat Eng. or MSE op is open still? Is there somewhere I can check to see what trades are open or do I just have to call my CFRC and ask them?         thanks in advance
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Alea on May 05, 2010, 01:33:47
or do I just have to call my CFRC and ask them?         


You have the answer in your question ;)

Alea
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: xKraven on May 05, 2010, 01:34:43
Combat Engineering is closed, not sure about MSE Op.
either ask an online recruiter via forces.ca or call your local CFRC.  there are also some recruiters on here.

As far as I know from what the recruiter at CFRC london told me today, all Combat Arms is closed with the exeption of Air Defence Artillery where there are a couple spots open.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: DavieRocket77 on May 05, 2010, 01:44:31
Thanks for the info, although it is quite dissappointing news  :crybaby:  I'm just wondering  what will happen now, will my mcc call me and tell me to choose new trades or will I even get a call now?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: xKraven on May 05, 2010, 01:47:03
you should get a call, dont stress over it.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Alea on May 05, 2010, 01:50:32
Thanks for the info, although it is quite dissappointing news  :crybaby:  I'm just wondering now what will happen now, will my mcc call me and tell me to choose new trades or will I even get a call now?

CALL !! ... and stop asking questions here that no one else apart from your recruiter may answer a DS on the thread wrote earlier to SPEAK WITH YOUR RECRUITER. It is the best way to know things for sure!

Alea
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: MedKAWD on May 05, 2010, 01:56:39
CALL !! ... and stop asking questions here that no one else apart from your recruiter may answer a DS on the thread wrote earlier to SPEAK WITH YOUR RECRUITER. It is the best way to know things for sure!

Alea

On that note, and with the assumption that this entire thread is just going to turn into an applicant query fest...can someone lock this?

Take Away Point: Speak With Your Recruiter

Also, Tyler Durden said it best: "You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake."
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Alea on May 05, 2010, 01:59:11
On that note, and with the assumption that this entire thread is just going to turn into an applicant query fest...can someone lock this?

Take Away Point: Speak With Your Recruiter

Also, Tyler Durden said it best: "You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake."

Who am I to say this but: I SECOND THIS REQUEST to lock this thread. It is going out or proportions and we're all in the same boat. Moaning about it doesn help anyone here.

Alea
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: DavieRocket77 on May 05, 2010, 02:20:32
CALL !! ... and stop asking questions here that no one else apart from your recruiter may answer a DS on the thread wrote earlier to SPEAK WITH YOUR RECRUITER. It is the best way to know things for sure!

Alea
Ok,  I'll call them right now @ 1:13 am . Thanks Alea and MedKAWD for your kind hearted advice, so very helpful.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Michael O'Leary on May 05, 2010, 02:47:57
Who am I to say this but: I SECOND THIS REQUEST to lock this thread.

Why?  If I lock this one, there will be another one just like it by the time the sun rises.  And another, and another, as one applicant after another realizes that their life of instant gratification does not extend to include the recruiting process.

We might as well keep the repetitive questions, and all the repetitive responses here in one single thread.

Milnet.ca Staff
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Le Adder Noir on May 05, 2010, 07:54:55
Why?  If I lock this one, there will be another one just like it by the time the sun rises.  And another, and another, as one applicant after another realizes that their life of instant gratification does not extend to include the recruiting process.

We might as well keep the repetitive questions, and all the repetitive responses here in one single thread.

Milnet.ca Staff

Sir

You should try being the MCC / Recruiter when the realization dawns......"Tamtrum stations"
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on May 05, 2010, 08:04:56
 ;D

.......or when not so little Johnny/Janie is accompanied/escorted by Mom.

I seriously wonder how someone expects to read answers to their questions, when the questions were answered two posts, less than an hour earlier, before they typed in their question.  If they can't be bothered to read, why ask?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: 2010newbie on May 05, 2010, 08:08:10
;D

.......or when not so little Johnny/Janie is accompanied/escorted by Mom.


Please tell me it was because they were under 18.........
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PMedMoe on May 05, 2010, 08:15:58
Unlike several of the people in the thread, I have no problem doing my second choice indefinately as a career (otherwise I would not have listed it) so Im in no way shape or form 'bummed' if this is the case

-Mike

This is some really good advice.  I was reading a post yesterday (don't recall from who) about how they didn't want their third trade choice as they knew little about it, etc.

You do not have to pick three trades just because there are three spots.  Many people only pick one.  As you can see, acceptance to a trade can vary on openings, CFAT results, prerequisites, education requirements, etc.

I still find that the people who pick two or three trades and are willing to enrol as any of them are usually less disappointed at the end of the process.

I also second Mr. O'Leary's reason for not locking this thread.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on May 05, 2010, 08:16:27
Some were not under the age of 18.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Le Adder Noir on May 05, 2010, 12:00:53
Some were not under the age of 18.

We get many 18+ applicants whose primary motivating force in joining appears to be Mom's "Operation Free up the Couch". Some are there for morale support and some are the driving force. ( Dad's as well)


Re: Moe's comment on chosing 3 trades. I routinely counsel my applicants to manage their expectations if they only select one trade. When times are good and their a re lots of positions on the SIP you should be ok; but if, like now, times are lean and spots are few, cover your bases. (Especially if you only meet the minimum education requirements to enter the trade and/ or the positions available are single digit.)

At least take the time to investigate other possibilites with our recruiting SME's (subject matter experts) rather than holding out for Infantry only because you were (re)born to be Infantry after playing Call of Duty / Watching Band of Brothers.

 
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: MedKAWD on May 05, 2010, 15:33:34
I also second Mr. O'Leary's reason for not locking this thread.

Fair enough!  :)
 
:pop:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: TheNoob on May 06, 2010, 20:24:20
Well, I did my interview today and she said that Armoured is closed, so I have been merit listed. The waiting begins  :boring:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: mwc on May 08, 2010, 19:53:00
any idea when reserve units will open up? i've been trying to find one for the past 2 months that would take me
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Miller97 on May 09, 2010, 01:05:06
any idea when reserve units will open up? i've been trying to find one for the past 2 months that would take me

Find ones that are close to you and give them a call..I believe that most are full for summer employment but i could be wrong.

Good Luck!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Michael O'Leary on May 09, 2010, 01:23:50
any idea when reserve units will open up? i've been trying to find one for the past 2 months that would take me

It may be more helpful for someone to answer if they knew where you are.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: woodstock on May 09, 2010, 12:51:34
I've had my interview canceled twice now. I'm going in tomorrow to see what's all open. I really wanted to be in the combat arms but i'm not going to let it take me down. Just want to do my part for the country that's done so much for me.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: mwc on May 09, 2010, 14:01:24
It may be more helpful for someone to answer if they knew where you are.
southwestern ontario
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Michael O'Leary on May 09, 2010, 15:44:56
(https://Army.ca/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comeexplorecanada.com%2Fontario%2Fimages%2Fsouthwestern-ontario-map.gif&hash=83fff2bfcbca9729593643dfa65d91e5)

So, let's assume you live in Chatham, and the unit in Owen Sound is recruiting.  Is that an acceptable drive for you?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: mwc on May 10, 2010, 01:08:42
during the summer when im at home, Owen Sound is the closest. But during the school year, Waterloo/Cambridge is closest.  Waterloo/ Cambridge would be the best since from school its a few minutes drive but during the summer it would be a 1.5-2 hour drive. As for Owen Sound, from home its 1 hour but school would be close to 3 hours. It's kind of a sticky situation, but i would take whatever i could get into for the time being.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Tommy on May 10, 2010, 01:36:38
during the summer when im at home, Owen Sound is the closest. But during the school year, Waterloo/Cambridge is closest.  Waterloo/ Cambridge would be the best since from school its a few minutes drive but during the summer it would be a 1.5-2 hour drive. As for Owen Sound, from home its 1 hour but school would be close to 3 hours. It's kind of a sticky situation, but i would take whatever i could get into for the time being.

So here is what happens... You join a unit close to home, and when you go away to school you "Attach Post" to a unit near school. 

or if its easier do it the other way around....

In any case, that is usually the easiest way to make it work so you are not driving for hours on end just for a parade night.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: mwc on May 10, 2010, 11:51:17
ok i thought it would work like that somewhat. Thanks
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: spyridon on May 10, 2010, 12:43:47
I just got home from the recruiting centre where I did my medical and I had done my interview 2 weeks ago and now I am just waiting for a call to go on course then I was told all 3 of my selections were full (Infantry, Armoured Soldier and Weapons Tech). The positions are becoming few and far between so to the guys who are trying to get another trade try to make it quick or you might not be able to find anything.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: byrd365 on May 10, 2010, 15:13:54
We get many 18+ applicants whose primary motivating force in joining appears to be Mom's "Operation Free up the Couch". Some are there for morale support and some are the driving force. ( Dad's as well)


Re: Moe's comment on chosing 3 trades. I routinely counsel my applicants to manage their expectations if they only select one trade. When times are good and their a re lots of positions on the SIP you should be ok; but if, like now, times are lean and spots are few, cover your bases. (Especially if you only meet the minimum education requirements to enter the trade and/ or the positions available are single digit.)

At least take the time to investigate other possibilites with our recruiting SME's (subject matter experts) rather than holding out for Infantry only because you were (re)born to be Infantry after playing Call of Duty / Watching Band of Brothers.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PMedMoe on May 10, 2010, 15:30:10
Was there a reason for quoting someone without adding a comment? 
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: byrd365 on May 10, 2010, 15:43:06
Sorry Steel messed up on the quote. I agree with you about these kids who play a little call of duty and think there Rambo. In my honest opinion there should be a minimum age for people who want to be a part of the combat arms.Most of these kids that are coming out of high school most likely had a good life lived in a good neighbourhood and never had to worry about much of anything and are there the ones getting the combat arms jobs. Unlike my self who's been hardened on inside and out do to the environment i lived in as child (not an excuse) are having trouble getting in to combat arms do to one mistake i made as child. My point is that most of not all of theses kids i wouldn't or couldn't trust to maintain them self's when real bullets are flying and bombs exploding everywhere around them. fortunately i have been merit listed and waiting patiently for my call. :threat: :cdn:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Michael O'Leary on May 10, 2010, 16:56:42
My point is that most of not all of theses kids i wouldn't or couldn't trust to maintain them self's when real bullets are flying and bombs exploding everywhere around them. fortunately i have been merit listed and waiting patiently for my call. :threat: :cdn:

And your actual experience with this is what?

Who do you think has been doing the job so well in Afghanistan for the past decade?

Your "school of hard knocks" theory means nothing when a generation of soldiers has already shown it to be unfounded.  Perhaps you should wait until you have some experience in uniform and meet other soldiers before sharing your wisdom of such things.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: MedKAWD on May 10, 2010, 17:17:43
My point is that most of not all of theses kids i wouldn't or couldn't trust to maintain them self's when real bullets are flying and bombs exploding everywhere around them.

Hmm, maybe if you did a little research you'd find that a great number of Canadian casualties in Afghanistan have been between the ages of 19-25.
One's age is irrelevant when everyone is over there to do the same job.  And seeing that you don't want to display your age in your profile, and also the face that you have all of zero time in the CF, your rude and quite frankly ignorant comments don't carry a lot of weight.

I'm 20 years old, only been in two years, and I am waiting for/ want to go over seas, so please understand my resentment at your generalization.   ::)

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: byrd365 on May 10, 2010, 17:23:51
Mr. O'leary I appreciate your comment's I want you to know that I have nothing but the utmost respect for the young men and women who are serving our country overseas and I know have no experience in uniform and I will be lucky if I get to experience life in uniform. And yes maybe i should hold my tongue until i have that experience but I'm just voicing my opinion which I'm allowed to do.

P.S  Thanks to my wonderfull wife and Father in-law who served in the Marines for 20+ years I have left the (School of Hard Knocks) behind me and look forword to my new future hopefully serving our Great Country
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on May 10, 2010, 17:27:22
but I'm just voicing my opinion which I'm allowed to do.


An opinion based on nothing is worth exactly that.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Eye In The Sky on May 10, 2010, 17:59:23
In my honest opinion there should be a minimum age for people who want to be a part of the combat arms.

Umm...there IS a minimum age.   ::)

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Most of these kids that are coming out of high school most likely had a good life lived in a good neighbourhood and never had to worry about much of anything and are there the ones getting the combat arms jobs.

And...whats the point?  They go thru the same selection process as everyone else, and are selected from the merit list if/when spots are open.  Been that way for years, ain't broken so why fix it?

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Unlike my self who's been hardened on inside and out do to the environment i lived in as child (not an excuse)

 ::)

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having trouble getting in to combat arms do to one mistake i made as child.

So its your own fault then, not the "kids who think they are Rambo", correct?

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My point is that most of not all of theses kids i wouldn't or couldn't trust to maintain them self's when real bullets are flying and bombs exploding everywhere around them. fortunately i have been merit listed and waiting patiently for my call. :threat: :cdn:

Good grief.  How do you know what *you* can handle or not handle in the CF if you haven't even been sworn in yet? 

The army puts young people thru something called "training".  If you pass the training for...infantry, armoured, whatever...then you ARE good enough to be in that trade.  And then you train some more..and some more..and some more...

 ::)

I'd start putting some padding on your arse, 'cause its gonna hurt when you fall off the horse your on.

 :2c:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: darkskye on May 10, 2010, 19:58:03
Hey,

I thought Armoured Soldier trade was closed? I am looking on the forces.ca website and it's currently open with the status of 'in-demand', mistake?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: standingdown on May 10, 2010, 20:00:11
They don't update the site right away. Go with whatever the CFRC tells you, they have the numbers.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Le Adder Noir on May 11, 2010, 12:05:05
Age, (and education!), is no gaurantee of success.

Better to use the  "section" standard:   Would you want this guy or gal beside you on ops.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: WarriorMonk on May 21, 2010, 18:28:21

I've just noticed today that on the Forces.ca recruiting website that for the first time since I started following that site and this forum (since December 2009) that the "In Demand" category has been revised, and seemingly shortened from the previous one, if I am not mistaken.  I'm presently pursuing ENG O, so I am pleased to see it listed as one of the "In Demand" trades.  However, I don't believe that the "In Demand" list is necessarily a reflection of the currently open trades.  So I'm confused by why they (whoever they are that manage that website) bother listing "In Demand" trades when they don't reflect the actual status of recruiting opportunities?

Or, is the "In Demand" asterisks beside trades more of a strategic effort that aims for a longer term requirement such that the website attracts prospective recruits into the process (which seems to take varying lengths of months to seasons) to land at a time when those "In Demand" listings will be open trades?

Or, I'm I just reading more logic into this than there is? 

Thx
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Alea on May 21, 2010, 19:18:23
However, I don't believe that the "In Demand" list is necessarily a reflection of the currently open trades.  So I'm confused by why they (whoever they are that manage that website) bother listing "In Demand" trades when they don't reflect the actual status of recruiting opportunities?

Thx

Hi,

It is more simple than stated above: The Forces.ca website is just not updated regularly.
If you want to know the real situation of opened/closed trades, you should contact your recruiting center and speak to someone there.

Take care,
Alea
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: MedKAWD on May 21, 2010, 21:32:20
I've just noticed today that on the Forces.ca recruiting website that for the first time since I started following that site and this forum (since December 2009) that the "In Demand" category has been revised, and seemingly shortened from the previous one, if I am not mistaken.  I'm presently pursuing ENG O, so I am pleased to see it listed as one of the "In Demand" trades.  However, I don't believe that the "In Demand" list is necessarily a reflection of the currently open trades.  So I'm confused by why they (whoever they are that manage that website) bother listing "In Demand" trades when they don't reflect the actual status of recruiting opportunities?

Or, is the "In Demand" asterisks beside trades more of a strategic effort that aims for a longer term requirement such that the website attracts prospective recruits into the process (which seems to take varying lengths of months to seasons) to land at a time when those "In Demand" listings will be open trades?

Or, I'm I just reading more logic into this than there is? 

Thx

 :deadhorse:



Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Robbie4296 on May 21, 2010, 23:15:49
Where did u get that  "beating a dead horse" awesome lol
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Alea on May 21, 2010, 23:18:34
Where did u get that  "beating a dead horse" awesome lol

Just on top of your message box, under the smileys, you have the possibility of clicking "more"... and you get more smileys ;)

Alea
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Robbie4296 on May 21, 2010, 23:31:34
Thanks , after reading alot of posts , iam surprized alot dont use it lol
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: WarriorMonk on May 21, 2010, 23:35:39
I appreciate the dead horse sentiment. ::)  To simplify my post, the point I was trying to get to is that whoever manages that site just recently changed the "In Demand" listings.  What I don't understand is why they bother when, as has been rightly stated, the CFRC has the current numbers.  Being progressive and integrated in this effort, it would make sense to show the current numbers on the website, so the CFRC doesn't have to field all the calls, or just not show anything in demand at all. 
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Alea on May 22, 2010, 00:13:19
To simplify my post, the point I was trying to get to is that whoever manages that site just recently changed the "In Demand" listings.   

Maybe the "whoever" who happens to manage the site is very busy with managing a 1000 other priorities.
Which is why, asking questions to the recruiting center is a good idea when you cannot get your answer elsewhere.

Alea
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Robbie4296 on May 22, 2010, 00:22:11
Its best to just go into the office , they have all the current numbers, I went through 6 trades before I found one that was open. The numbers change drastically, for example 3 weeks ago I applied for Armoured Soldier 39 spots 3 days later they called and said closed pick another, dont forget this is Canada wide so many people are applying, avaiability could change very quickly, it took 3weeks to take Armoured off the demand list.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Scott on May 22, 2010, 00:28:46
dont forget this is Canada wide so many people are applying, avaiability could change very quickly, it took 3weeks to take Armoured off the demand list.

And (I am saying this very politely now) don't forget that the CFRC and CF owe you nothing. They do the best they can with what they have. Patience, grasshoppas.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Robbie4296 on May 22, 2010, 00:37:17
Exactly from what I have read, applying to the CF is not like any other job, application, instant employment, could take months or longer if you really want to join you will have the time to wait, because you cant really force the process!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: SELC on May 25, 2010, 14:39:12
Applying to the armed forces is not like anything that you have ever dealt with before and will ever again.

I have worked both here in Canada and the United States.  After losing my position in the US (economics) I came back to Canada and started to work here.

I have recently (well last Aug) applied for a specific trade in the Army and I have only had a little bit of feed back from them or only had contact when they needed me to do something (med, redo my app test etc,)

As for putting pressure or anything there is not much that can be done just nice emails to all to see where things stand but really it is a waiting game.   (oh yeah and this is for a component transfer I am in the reserves)


Scott
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Jaybar on May 25, 2010, 18:44:30
I'm sure most of us already know this but I talked to a file manager today and was told April 2011 for Infantry to open again BUT they might decide to hire a small number of people prior to the new fiscal year.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: TimBit on May 26, 2010, 14:28:09
Notice the use of the word "might", i.e. he doesn't have a clue...
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: gcclarke on May 26, 2010, 14:37:21
More likely "might" meaning based upon his past experience, such an event happens often enough to not be a surprise, but he certainly cannot guarantee it'll happen.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Eye In The Sky on May 26, 2010, 14:41:55
Flexibility is the key to air power going thru the recruiting process without driving the CFRC staff to jumping out of tall buildings with no safety lines  8)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: TimBit on May 26, 2010, 14:47:57
Yes, gcclarke, thank you for clarifying, that is similar to what I meant  ;D He has probably seen it happen but somebody way above him will ultimately make that call, which is why he said "might" and not "may"  8)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: SELC on May 27, 2010, 08:34:36
you would think they would want as many people as they could but, I know there is quota's that they are limited by.


Does the CF have a 5-10-15 year plan for recruitment and retention???  is it published and is there any hint at the army being expanded??

I guess I am a dreamer.
 :cdn:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: gcclarke on May 27, 2010, 10:37:45
you would think they would want as many people as they could but, I know there is quota's that they are limited by.

For some trades, the quotas are a matter of "we only need this many people this year." For some of those trades, that number is 0. For some others, the number isn't zero, but the ratio of positions to qualified applicants is pretty close to it.

For other trades, the quota is a function of how many people can be trained in that trade at any given time.

And like everything else, actually paying for all this has an effect as well. Hense the little situation that happened near the tail end of the last fiscla year where a lot of recruitment processing was put on pause.

Does the CF have a 5-10-15 year plan for recruitment and retention???  is it published and is there any hint at the army being expanded??

Yes, no, and no. Planning is done. Sometimes that planning turns out to have been based upon estimates that later turn out to be invalid, either in budgetary numbers, higher or lower attrition, training throughput, or a war breaking out.

It's not really published. At least not outside of the department.

And it doesn't look like there'll be any particular push to boost the Army numbers in the near future. The navy's a different story. Not too sure about the Air Force. They seem to be doing ok from what I can see.
I guess I am a dreamer.
 :cdn:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: EpicBeardedMan on May 31, 2010, 19:47:42
So what's actually available as of now? Apparently the MPAC has already been loaded and I'm not waiting until november or december.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Alea on May 31, 2010, 20:02:50
So what's actually available as of now? Apparently the MPAC has already been loaded and I'm not waiting until november or december.

Hi,

What do you mean?
If you really want to join and don't have the choice but to wait... what else can you do? No later than this morning, I was reading a post about a person who just got a job offer and has been waiting for 2 years. Others on this forum have been waiting for a year and more.
It has been said time and time again that: The Canadian Forces hires accordingly to their needs and available spots. No openings = wait.

Alea
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: EpicBeardedMan on May 31, 2010, 20:10:22
Hi,

What do you mean?
If you really want to join and don't have the choice but to wait... what else can you do? No later than this morning, I was reading a post about a person who just got a job offer and has been waiting for The Canadian Forces hires accordingly to their needs and available spots. No openings = wait.

Alea
.  Obviously. My question was what trades are actually open. The online recruiter chat is down until tommorow, maybe someone knows. I'm dissapointed that the mpacc is full yeah but I'd rather get merit listed now for another interesting trade rather then waiting for a call that might not even come.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Alea on May 31, 2010, 20:21:08
.  Obviously. My question was what trades are actually open. The online recruiter chat is down until tommorow, maybe someone knows. I'm dissapointed that the mpacc is full yeah but I'd rather get merit listed now for another interesting trade rather then waiting for a call that might not even come.

Hi,

I understand your frustration.

I think that if you want to know which other trades are open for now, the best thing to do is call your recruiter and ask him. Like it has been stated here already, trades open and close very fast. You might get an answer today on this forum and the trade will be closed again tomorrow.

Alea
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: EpicBeardedMan on June 01, 2010, 13:39:12
Since the thread is called Trades OPEN/ Closed I thought I'd post the openings since a few people are wondering whats open as of Tuesday, June 1st, 2010.

Non-Commissioned Member occupations

Naval Weapons Technician
Airborne Electronic Sensor Operator
Meteorological Technician
Search and Rescue Technician
Land Communications and Information Systems Technician
Naval Combat Information Operator
Naval Electronics Technician (Sonar)
Naval Electronics Technician (Radar)
Naval Electronics Technician (Communications)
Marine Engineering Mechanic
Marine Electrician
Vehicle Technician
Avionics Systems Technician
Medical Laboratory Technologist
Military Police
Steward
Musician
Sonar Operator
Electronic-Optronic Technician - Land
Signal Operator
Medical Technician
Aerospace Control Operator



Officer Occupations

Engineering Officer
Pilot
Electrical and Mechanical Engineering Officer
Pharmacy Officer
Nursing Officer
Medical Officer
Social Work Officer
Legal Officer
Maritime Surface and Sub-surface Officer
Naval Combat Systems Engineering Officer
Marine Systems Engineering Officer
Chaplain
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ColdNorth on June 01, 2010, 13:51:24
I'm just wondering what are your sources for this?

Since the thread is called Trades OPEN/ Closed I thought I'd post the openings since a few people are wondering whats open as of Tuesday, June 1st, 2010.

Non-Commissioned Member occupations

Naval Weapons Technician
Airborne Electronic Sensor Operator
Meteorological Technician
Search and Rescue Technician
Land Communications and Information Systems Technician
Naval Combat Information Operator
Naval Electronics Technician (Sonar)
Naval Electronics Technician (Radar)
Naval Electronics Technician (Communications)
Marine Engineering Mechanic
Marine Electrician
Vehicle Technician
Avionics Systems Technician
Medical Laboratory Technologist
Military Police
Steward
Musician
Sonar Operator
Electronic-Optronic Technician - Land
Signal Operator
Medical Technician
Aerospace Control Operator



Officer Occupations

Engineering Officer
Pilot
Electrical and Mechanical Engineering Officer
Pharmacy Officer
Nursing Officer
Medical Officer
Social Work Officer
Legal Officer
Maritime Surface and Sub-surface Officer
Naval Combat Systems Engineering Officer
Marine Systems Engineering Officer
Chaplain

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PMedMoe on June 01, 2010, 14:08:28
I'm just wondering what are your sources for this?

Probably the Forces website which may or may not be up to date.   ;)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ColdNorth on June 01, 2010, 14:14:08
Probably the Forces website which may or may not be up to date.   ;)

Exactly what I thought.    :)

Just cause I know as of a week or two ago some of those are closed, and others on the list I've heard to be closed as well so..
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: EpicBeardedMan on June 01, 2010, 14:25:35
I'm just wondering what are your sources for this?

An online recruiter, actually no, I just decided to randomly select trades and post them up on here, you caught me.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PMedMoe on June 01, 2010, 15:03:23
An online recruiter, actually no, I just decided to randomly select trades and post them up on here, you caught me.

Well, then quote your source:  For example "I got this info from an online recruiter."

There's loads of rumour, speculation, etc on here.  It just makes sense.  If I submitted a report stating something as fact without providing the reference, you want to bet it would be questioned.  Actually, chances are, it wouldn't even make it out of the unit because the B Surg wouldn't sign it.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ColdNorth on June 01, 2010, 15:11:52
An online recruiter, actually no, I just decided to randomly select trades and post them up on here, you caught me.

What Moe said above.

How would we know otherwise unless you cited your source?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Le Adder Noir on June 01, 2010, 16:46:58
Epicbearded et all: Please listen to MOE!

For the love of all that is holy and good, please just CALL your CFRC and ask!  My colleagues and I will give you the straight good!

If the front desk person or file manager doesn't have the answer at hand, ask to talk to a Military Career Counsellor! We can check the  current vacancies at a national level and let you know the truth.

Epic:  Things in the recruiting world change rapidly.Signal OP is closed as of today. ( as an example)


SB

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: EpicBeardedMan on June 01, 2010, 21:04:26
Epicbearded et all: Please listen to MOE!

For the love of all that is holy and good, please just CALL your CFRC and ask!  My colleagues and I will give you the straight good!

If the front desk person or file manager doesn't have the answer at hand, ask to talk to a Military Career Counsellor! We can check the  current vacancies at a national level and let you know the truth.

Epic:  Things in the recruiting world change rapidly.Signal OP is closed as of today. ( as an example)


SB

Thanks Steel Badger, and sorry Moe and CN, i'm just frustrated with the way things are working out right now and am looking at what my possibilites are for second options..
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PMedMoe on June 01, 2010, 21:10:39
Thanks Steel Badger, and sorry Moe and CN, i'm just frustrated with the way things are working out right now and am looking at what my possibilites are for second options..

No biggie.  Don't take it out on us.   ;)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PuckChaser on June 01, 2010, 21:47:23
Epic:  Things in the recruiting world change rapidly.Signal OP is closed as of today. ( as an example)

I reread this and I'm thinking you mean Sig Op is closed being just an example. At least I hope you weren't told that by a recruiter.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on June 01, 2010, 21:52:31
I reread this and I'm thinking you mean Sig Op is closed being just an example. At least I hope you weren't told that by a recruiter.

No, he meant sig op is closed as of today and he IS a recruiter.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PuckChaser on June 01, 2010, 21:57:01
Straight from the horses mouth then. Is the yearly quota filled? I find it hard to believe a trade at 83% PML is closed unless the MES implementation has backed up our training system so much we have to close the doors to recruiting.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Eye In The Sky on June 01, 2010, 22:01:07
...or...despite being a red trade, the powers that be in that MOC said 'we can only train X amount of newbies this year, so please recruit X people for us"  ;)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: MedKAWD on June 01, 2010, 22:11:37
...or...despite being a red trade, the powers that be in that MOC said 'we can only train X amount of newbies this year, so please recruit X people for us"  ;)

Hey there's a good point!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on June 01, 2010, 22:13:57
83% PML

Being below PML does not mean recruiting goes on without control. Looking only at PML figures shows a lack of understanding of the bigger picture.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: CallOfDuty on June 01, 2010, 22:40:19
Hey CDN, last time I checked Aesop on the in, it was around 85% and red.  With all the DE applicants, do you think it'll be green soon? 
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on June 01, 2010, 22:42:29
Hey CDN, last time I checked Aesop on the in, it was around 85% and red.  With all the DE applicants, do you think it'll be green soon?

No.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: CallOfDuty on June 01, 2010, 22:49:50
Thanks....it helps put my mind at ease :)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Eye In The Sky on June 01, 2010, 23:25:03
Hey CDN, last time I checked Aesop on the in, it was around 85% and red.  With all the DE applicants, do you think it'll be green soon?

*all the DE aplicants* at this time = 4 that have got up to the Wings qual'd (i.e. have passed the QL5) point, with 4 more to come in 4 weeks (provided they all pass).  The current BAQC only has 2 DEs on it, and the next BAQC isn't starting up until the fall. 

That is 10 DEs total in some phase of trg, but in reality, there are no DEs even thru MOAT/OTU at this point.  Come the end of this FY, there will probably be a total of max 4 DEs who have made it to the point of being employable at operational Sqns (assuming they all make it thru MOAT/OTU). 



Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: CallOfDuty on June 02, 2010, 11:10:57
   Thanks EITS.....I'm just getting a little paranoid that I'm going to " miss out" on the trade( while they still need people).  I was injured 2 days before my aircrew medical last year and have to wait until this fall to try again. 
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: galaxy on June 02, 2010, 23:15:57
So, reading that Sig Op is now closed and that is what I have applied for, I am wondering at what point of the recruiting process would they count a person as being "in" the trade? I have completed my medical (and the followup forms from my doctor), my interview and my CFAT. I am waiting on the credit and background checks (although those may be done and I simply don't know).

As I know it's coming, I understand that the best way to find out is to call my recruitment center, blah blah blah. I will be doing this again tomorrow if I can find a couple minutes and I called today as well. My recruiter is quite difficult to contact, it seems she is always out of the office so I am wondering if anyone (no matter how uninformed or full of wild speculation; although I would prefer someone with a bit of knowledge answering) has any idea if, at my current point, I would be considered one of the people going in for BMQ as a Sig Op.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on June 03, 2010, 00:15:58
I am wondering at what point of the recruiting process would they count a person as being "in" the trade?

You are far from that point. You should be able to see why that is.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: galaxy on June 03, 2010, 00:21:23
You are far from that point. You should be able to see why that is.

That's what I figured, I can certainly see why, I was hoping it wasn't the case.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on June 03, 2010, 00:23:51
That's what I figured, I can certainly see why, I was hoping it wasn't the case.

Let me put it to you this way :

If you were applying for a job at a bank , would you have thought you were now an employee just because you dropped off the application ?

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Le Adder Noir on June 03, 2010, 09:57:46
Duredain:

You are considered to be "in the trade" once you have been enrolled as a member in the CF. Up to that point you still have the option to back out, and we have the option to revisit offers due to the requirements of the Service.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: galaxy on June 04, 2010, 00:31:56
Thank you guys, although I hadn't seen it posted anywhere that is basically what I assumed. I was able to get in touch with my recruiter just before she left today and ended up just changing occupations.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: davidsonr_91 on July 21, 2010, 12:27:38
In regards to open and closed trades, does anyone know what they are right now for civi side?
 
And can a OT be done from a red trade?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Michael O'Leary on July 21, 2010, 12:30:12
Your best bet it to visit a Recruiting Centre and ask a recruiter. Keep in mind they can tell you what is open today - but not what will be open when you complete your application process.

If a trade is "red" then transfers out will often be restricted because they will have to minimize attrition while trying to build up the trade to an acceptable manning level.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: GloriaVictis on July 21, 2010, 14:53:13
Hi everyone,
I have read some conflicting opinions on this, so I was wanting to get your feedback on my best course-of-action:

I am interested in applying to the Army, Infantry Soldier trade. That being said, I know that this trade (as well as all Combat Arms) is currently closed, and likely will not reopen until April 2011. I have heard of many people applying when their chosen trade reopens, and by the time the application process is complete, the trade is once again closed.
I have never applied to the CF before, and I am wondering if there is any point to applying now, despite Infantry being closed, as a way to 'express my interest'?
Is it futile, or will it at least 'get my name out there'?

I appologize if my question sounds ignorant; I am just wanting feedback, as I am already concerned about being a woman applying for the Infantry. I know that this trade fills quickly, and that it will be highly competetive.

While on the topic of female infantry soldiers; I know that the combat arms female presence is approximately 1.9%, but does anyone know the percentage for infantry specifically?

Thank you very much in advance.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Pegcity on July 21, 2010, 15:37:15
I can only speak from experience but i was told that their was really no point in applying for a closed trade, your best bet is to go down to your local CFRC and see if their are any other trades open that might interest you. If that is not the case you might be waiting till next year to apply.

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PMedMoe on July 21, 2010, 15:38:57
GloriaVictis, if you do some reading around the various threads, you will find that most (if not all) recruiting centres will not even start the paperwork for trades that are closed.  However, that being said, your best bet is to contact your closest CFRC or go on line to see what the present situation is.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ozn0g on July 21, 2010, 19:05:14
GloriaVictis, if you do some reading around the various threads, you will find that most (if not all) recruiting centres will not even start the paperwork for trades that are closed.  However, that being said, your best bet is to contact your closest CFRC or go on line to see what the present situation is.
Well to put it in perspective I applied for the infantry September 25th 2009, they said it would take 4 months and I would be on my way. I didn't even get processed until April 2010 and now there telling me maybe it will open in September.  They've been giving me estimated dates when the trades will open but it doesn't really give you an idea on when you'll get hired... And NOW I'm hearing through some of the threads that there telling people it'll open April 2011. I find it absolutely ridiculous because I've seen that people that applied on exactly the same day I did and they are off to BMQ in August. I'm screwed if I have to wait another year for trades to open.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Pegcity on July 21, 2010, 19:28:35
Well to put it in perspective I applied for the infantry September 25th 2009, they said it would take 4 months and I would be on my way. I didn't even get processed until April 2010 and now there telling me maybe it will open in September.  They've been giving me estimated dates when the trades will open but it doesn't really give you an idea on when you'll get hired... And NOW I'm hearing through some of the threads that there telling people it'll open April 2011. I find it absolutely ridiculous because I've seen that people that applied on exactly the same day I did and they are off to BMQ in August. I'm screwed if I have to wait another year for trades to open.

Have you looked into any other trades that might interest you? 
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: EpicBeardedMan on July 21, 2010, 20:14:46
Take a look at some of the trades that are open, and I mean really look. Even jobs that have seemingly boring names can turn out to be really cool careers. There's definately no way 4 months ago I thought I'd join the Navy.. Do some research!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: nairna on July 21, 2010, 20:42:13
Hey everyone,
I received this yesterday from CFRCs email. Has the list of currently open trades. Of course you should always speak to a CFRC servicemember for the most uptodate information but this should help somewhat. 

 
CF Recruiting Group is continuously recruiting to meet its annual personnel requirements.  Generally, recruiting staff can tell you if there are positions available however since these intake numbers frequently change it can be difficult to your answer question.
 
CF occupations that are currently open for application as of 19 July 10 are as follows:
 
Non-Commissioned Member occupations
 
Avionics Systems Technician
Dental Technician
Geomatics Technician
Marine Electrician
Marine Engineering Mechanic
Medical Laboratory Technician
Medical Technician
Military Police
Musician
Naval Electronics Technician (Sonar)
Naval Electronics Technician (Radar)
Naval Electronics Technician (Communications) 
Naval Weapons Technician
Vehicle Technician 
 
 
Officer Occupations
 
Aerospace Control  ROTP
Air Combat Systems  ROTP CEOTP
Armoured  ROTP
Communications and Electronics Engineering ROTP
Construction Engineering CEOTP & ROTP
Dental DOTP
Electrical and Mechanical Engineering Officer ROTP
Engineering Officer ROTP CEOTP
Health Care Administration ROTP
Infantry ROTP
Intelligence ROTP
Legal Officer DEO
Logistics ROTP
Marine Systems Engineering Officer DEO & CEOTP
Maritime Surface and Sub-surface Officer DEO ROTP & CEOTP
Medical Officer DEO MOTP
Military Police Officer  DEO ROTP
Naval Combat Systems Engineering Officer DEO ROTP
Nursing Officer ROTP
Pharmacy Officer DEO
Pilot DEO ROTP
Social Work Officer DEO
Signals Officer ROTP
 


Anthony
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Nauticus on July 21, 2010, 20:51:06
Hi everyone,
I have read some conflicting opinions on this, so I was wanting to get your feedback on my best course-of-action:

I am interested in applying to the Army, Infantry Soldier trade. That being said, I know that this trade (as well as all Combat Arms) is currently closed, and likely will not reopen until April 2011. I have heard of many people applying when their chosen trade reopens, and by the time the application process is complete, the trade is once again closed.
I have never applied to the CF before, and I am wondering if there is any point to applying now, despite Infantry being closed, as a way to 'express my interest'?
Is it futile, or will it at least 'get my name out there'?

I appologize if my question sounds ignorant; I am just wanting feedback, as I am already concerned about being a woman applying for the Infantry. I know that this trade fills quickly, and that it will be highly competetive.

While on the topic of female infantry soldiers; I know that the combat arms female presence is approximately 1.9%, but does anyone know the percentage for infantry specifically?

Thank you very much in advance.

Don't worry about the gender thing. You either are a good soldier, or you aren't, and it has nothing to do with gender. You'll be expected to keep up with the guys, so as long as you can do that, you may very much enjoy time as an infantry.

That said, the recruiting centre will likely not accept an application for infantry since the trade is closed.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ozn0g on July 21, 2010, 21:09:58
Have you looked into any other trades that might interest you?
Right now I have Infantry, Combat Engineer and Field Arty as my choices... I haven't really looked into anything other then the army, but I've been pretty dead set on it.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: acooper on July 21, 2010, 21:42:04
My husband is starting the geotech course in the next couple weeks - he's already in Ottawa. The reason the trade is open, he said, is they have a hard time with retention rates. The classes used to be 16 people each, and now they are 32. He was rearranging desks today to make room for everyone graduating from the course this summer...
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: EpicBeardedMan on July 22, 2010, 03:33:09
I'm surprised Vehicle Tech still has slots available..I would of thought that would of been a hot trade.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Otis on July 22, 2010, 09:43:55
The list provided is a little misleading ...

Yes, technically all of these trades are still open, last time I checked however (and I haven't been at work this week) some of them are only open under certains entry plans ... i.e. Veh Tech is ONLY open for NCM SEP, and the odds on getting an acceptance letter to an approved college at THIS point in the year is pretty slim (though admittedly, not impossible)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: stealthylizard on July 22, 2010, 21:25:01
GloriaVictus, this experience isn't very recent but recent enough.  On my BIQ course there was one female, she made it through and is still going strong in battalion.  There aren't very many women in the trade, at least on the PPCLI side.  There are 2 that I know of off the top of my head, the one I went to BIQ with, and a female infantry captain.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: GloriaVictis on July 23, 2010, 02:47:50
GloriaVictus, this experience isn't very recent but recent enough.  On my BIQ course there was one female, she made it through and is still going strong in battalion.  There aren't very many women in the trade, at least on the PPCLI side.  There are 2 that I know of off the top of my head, the one I went to BIQ with, and a female infantry captain.
Thanks Stealthy. I'm glad to here about women who have made it through BIQ; I've heard a lot of stories about females not being able to cut it, so it gives me some hope. I know that there is a lot of contention about women in Combat Arms, but I personally feel very privileged to live in a country which allows women entry into front-line positions.  :cdn:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: TimBit on July 23, 2010, 11:41:48
I work with a female R22R infantry officer here too, so they exist. Good luck!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: agc on July 23, 2010, 23:43:51
Don't worry about the gender thing. You either are a good soldier, or you aren't, and it has nothing to do with gender. You'll be expected to keep up with the guys, so as long as you can do that, you may very much enjoy time as an infantry.

That said, the recruiting centre will likely not accept an application for infantry since the trade is closed.

The recruiting center will accept your application.  After accepting it though, they will hold it until they are authorized to conduct any of the processing activities that are required.  If you're in the local area of your centre you can probably ask to write the aptitude test, but the medical and interview won't happen until later.  It is not a bad idea to make contact with the staff there every 3 or 4 weeks to let them know you are still interested.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: agc on July 24, 2010, 00:12:37
Pretty much if it doesn't end in Technician or you don't get called Sir. It's not open.
I showed my Dad this list, and he thought it was really strange that everythings full already. His best friend's an instructor at St.Jean, he said he's going to phone him and see if he has any info.
He seems to think they are doing something, or it's a lack of instructors.. What exactly phoning him will do, nothing at all. But it's always nice to have some word from the guys inside as to what is going on.

http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/news-nouvelles/news-nouvelles-eng.asp?cat=03&id=3359

The CF can't hire individuals and send them away for training unless there is an open job for them.  That means an actual position, not just a training vacancy at the recruit school.  You can see in this backgrounder that the rate of attrition from the CF has fallen, and that the size of the Reg F has expanded quite a bit over the last 7 years (~6500 pers).  Many occupations are actually above their preferred manning levels.  Unfortunately this equates to longer wait times for those who are looking to get in.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: GloriaVictis on July 24, 2010, 14:17:15
The recruiting center will accept your application.  After accepting it though, they will hold it until they are authorized to conduct any of the processing activities that are required.  If you're in the local area of your centre you can probably ask to write the aptitude test, but the medical and interview won't happen until later.  It is not a bad idea to make contact with the staff there every 3 or 4 weeks to let them know you are still interested.
Thanks AGC. I appreciate the info.  :)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: EpicBeardedMan on July 26, 2010, 01:56:36
I know that there is a lot of contention about women in Combat Arms

Is there?  :-\
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: GloriaVictis on July 26, 2010, 02:10:10
Is there?  :-\
Unfortunately, I have found there is. Don't get me wrong, I have spoken to MANY people, both civilians and members of the CF, who support women in Combat Arms (provided they are able to do the job), but I have also had many experiences with people who are quite emphatically against it, for a multitude of reasons. I only acknowledged the differing opinions to highlight that I am extremely greatful to live in Canada, where our forces do not hire based on gender, and instead on a candidate's ability and aptitude for their chosen trade.
 ;D
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: TCBF on July 26, 2010, 02:27:37
Unfortunately, I have found there is. Don't get me wrong, I have spoken to MANY people, both civilians and members of the CF, who support women in Combat Arms (provided they are able to do the job), but I have also had many experiences with people who are quite emphatically against it, for a multitude of reasons. I only acknowledged the differing opinions to highlight that I am extremely greatful to live in Canada, where our forces do not hire based on gender, and instead on a candidate's ability and aptitude for their chosen trade.
 ;D

- If we had conscription, it would not be an issue: you become what the gummint needs, and if they needed female infantry to flush out the quota for the sisterhood, then it would happen.  Most of the current talk regards keeping good women in the Cbt A, along with good men.  In a volunteer force, the CF should not be held hostage to quotas, but ...

- I can see the day coming where a Cbt A trade will be listed as "Remuster out Open, EXCEPT for females."
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Nauticus on July 26, 2010, 02:38:04
Unfortunately, I have found there is. Don't get me wrong, I have spoken to MANY people, both civilians and members of the CF, who support women in Combat Arms (provided they are able to do the job), but I have also had many experiences with people who are quite emphatically against it, for a multitude of reasons. I only acknowledged the differing opinions to highlight that I am extremely greatful to live in Canada, where our forces do not hire based on gender, and instead on a candidate's ability and aptitude for their chosen trade.
 ;D

I agree. I'm of the opinion that anybody should be allowed to do any job, as long as it's based on aptitude and skill, not gender or anything else.

With that said, I don't disagree with a different physical requirement for women. There should be one physical requirement that must be met by men and women, as they should be tested as equals.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: GloriaVictis on July 26, 2010, 03:09:36
I agree. I'm of the opinion that anybody should be allowed to do any job, as long as it's based on aptitude and skill, not gender or anything else.

With that said, I don't disagree with a different physical requirement for women. There should be one physical requirement that must be met by men and women, as they should be tested as equals.
Nauticus, I agree with you. I am currently preparing myself for the physical requirement, and I am measuring myself against the male standard; if I am going to try to fulfill all of the required aspects of the Infantry position, I feel that those standards should be the same for men and women. Equal employment opportunity should mean equal admittance testing.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: agc on July 26, 2010, 08:03:43
A. http://www.admfincs.forces.gc.ca/dao-doa/5000/5023-1-eng.asp
B. http://www.brianmac.co.uk/vo2max.htm
C. http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/lf/Downloads/Fitness%20Manual%20ENG.pdf

There are a common set of requirements for men and women (see A).  It's not necessarily feasible to test all of these things in one go, so the Expres test evaluates stress placed on the body in a different way.  Men and women simply react differently in this kind of testing model.  See the section on normative data in B.

That being said, I hope you bust through the standard you're aiming for.  Show them what you're made of.

As far as what you'll be doing after BMQ, you should read the Army fitness manual (C).

Best of luck!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: GloriaVictis on July 26, 2010, 11:36:22
A. http://www.admfincs.forces.gc.ca/dao-doa/5000/5023-1-eng.asp
B. http://www.brianmac.co.uk/vo2max.htm
C. http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/lf/Downloads/Fitness%20Manual%20ENG.pdf

There are a common set of requirements for men and women (see A).  It's not necessarily feasible to test all of these things in one go, so the Expres test evaluates stress placed on the body in a different way.  Men and women simply react differently in this kind of testing model.  See the section on normative data in B.

That being said, I hope you bust through the standard you're aiming for.  Show them what you're made of.

As far as what you'll be doing after BMQ, you should read the Army fitness manual (C).

Best of luck!

Thank you agc! I really appreciate the links and helpful information. As far as the Army fitness manual goes...that's (one) of the components I've been using to train...because as you said, I fully intend to show 'em exactly what I'm made of.  :nod:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: EpicBeardedMan on July 26, 2010, 12:33:07
Unfortunately, I have found there is. Don't get me wrong, I have spoken to MANY people, both civilians and members of the CF, who support women in Combat Arms (provided they are able to do the job), but I have also had many experiences with people who are quite emphatically against it, for a multitude of reasons. I only acknowledged the differing opinions to highlight that I am extremely greatful to live in Canada, where our forces do not hire based on gender, and instead on a candidate's ability and aptitude for their chosen trade.
 ;D

Huh. I would of thought with all the female police officers, fire fighters, EMS and armed forces members that way of thinking would only be reserved for rednecks and chauvinists. I can't really see anyone in the armed forces blatantly treating you differently just because you're a female.  :(
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: kincanucks on July 26, 2010, 15:55:52
I find it absolutely ridiculous because I've seen that people that applied on exactly the same day I did and they are off to BMQ in August.

Really and were they applying for the same trade that you were?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: agc on July 26, 2010, 17:17:16
I find it absolutely ridiculous because I've seen that people that applied on exactly the same day I did and they are off to BMQ in August.

Really and were they applying for the same trade that you were?

I believe the first line is a quote from the previous page.

Unfortunately, the recruiters can't just hire everyone they want.  No one can be legally enrolled in the CF until all entrance pre-requisites have been met by the applicant, a job position is available and a suitable training vacancy exists.  I know it burns that someone who applied on the same day has a job, but there are too many other variables to consider.  Getting bitter about it won't help your case.

As has been commonly discussed in this and other threads, positions in most occupations open for Recruiting Centres and Detachments to begin filling on 1 April.  The training calendar continues year-round, and facilities at the training establishments are not unlimited, so not everyone who applies can go at the same time.  Even more unfortunately many may have to opt for a 2nd/3rd/... career choice unless they are in a situation to wait a long time for employment.

If you weren't able to complete the application process while the job and training openings in your preferred occupation existed, you shouldn't give up hope.  It is in the interest of the CF to maintain a viable pool of applicants for when the openings do exist.  Take a positive and pro-active approach.  Make a checklist of all your processing items and watch the dates.  Call and make the update appointments, don't wait for anything to expire.  Get in line, and stay in line, because they won't forget about your application if you don't.

I hope I don't sound condescending, that's certainly not my intent.  However, I must stress the bitterness point again.  If you get bitter with the CF during the recruitment process, you will have a very long and difficult career ahead of you.

Best of luck, and I will try to answer any questions you may have about the process.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ozn0g on July 26, 2010, 21:35:32
I believe the first line is a quote from the previous page.

Unfortunately, the recruiters can't just hire everyone they want.  No one can be legally enrolled in the CF until all entrance pre-requisites have been met by the applicant, a job position is available and a suitable training vacancy exists.  I know it burns that someone who applied on the same day has a job, but there are too many other variables to consider.  Getting bitter about it won't help your case.

As has been commonly discussed in this and other threads, positions in most occupations open for Recruiting Centres and Detachments to begin filling on 1 April.  The training calendar continues year-round, and facilities at the training establishments are not unlimited, so not everyone who applies can go at the same time.  Even more unfortunately many may have to opt for a 2nd/3rd/... career choice unless they are in a situation to wait a long time for employment.

If you weren't able to complete the application process while the job and training openings in your preferred occupation existed, you shouldn't give up hope.  It is in the interest of the CF to maintain a viable pool of applicants for when the openings do exist.  Take a positive and pro-active approach.  Make a checklist of all your processing items and watch the dates.  Call and make the update appointments, don't wait for anything to expire.  Get in line, and stay in line, because they won't forget about your application if you don't.

I hope I don't sound condescending, that's certainly not my intent.  However, I must stress the bitterness point again.  If you get bitter with the CF during the recruitment process, you will have a very long and difficult career ahead of you.

Best of luck, and I will try to answer any questions you may have about the process.
I understand where your coming from. I know you're not trying to be hostile. But I maintained my patience for a long time and tried to stay optimistic. I accepted the fact that I'd be waiting roughly a year for the infantry to open. They told me a week after I applied, which was September 25th 2009, that I'd pretty much have a guaranteed spot when April 2010 came around.  But now they are telling me I have to wait until April 2011... Any information they gave me up until that point was incredibly vague. They knew just as much as I did. It has just been extremely frustrating waiting almost a year just to hear I have to wait another. It just seems like the recruiting process is inconsistent... and at this point almost based on luck. They pluck people from recruiting centers across the country. And there is nothing I can really do to speed up the process. I'm already merit listed... just waiting for a job.
Also, I have never been rude directly to anyone at the CFRC and never plan too. Being pissy never gets you anywhere, especially in the armed forces.
I'd be happy with any job offer at this point. Whether it's infantry, combat engineer, or artillery. I just want to be on my way.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ozn0g on July 26, 2010, 21:39:15
I find it absolutely ridiculous because I've seen that people that applied on exactly the same day I did and they are off to BMQ in August.

Really and were they applying for the same trade that you were?
Yea, he applied for the infantry and the infantry alone. Just like I did... and he applied in Vancouver BC and I applied in Victoria BC. I recently added combat engineer and artillery though. Hoping to maybe speed things up.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Couvs on July 27, 2010, 18:19:25
At the moment Infantry trade is closed. They have about 20-25% surplus of BMQ qualified troops waiting on PAT platoon awaiting course and have no room for them in ton courses or in the battalions. A lot of them are being asked (in some cases pushed) to remuster to other trades in need of personnel. This is what I've been hearing from some Infantry officers from 3PPCLI when I was in Wainwright supporting the Combat Team Crew Commanders Course in May 2010. It's better for you to pick at least 3 trades or more while in the recruiting process. OR you can go through with whatever trade you pull outta your ***, do BMQ, get posted to where the training for trade X is and then ask for a remuster. Not the best way to do it but it is an avenue to try as well. Some recruiters will BS you just to get you in. Play it  smart and don't accept anything other than what you really want to do providing that you have the pre-requisites suited to that trade.

Cheers...
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ColdNorth on July 27, 2010, 19:14:08
At the moment Infantry trade is closed. They have about 20-25% surplus of BMQ qualified troops waiting on PAT platoon awaiting course and have no room for them in ton courses or in the battalions. A lot of them are being asked (in some cases pushed) to remuster to other trades in need of personnel. This is what I've been hearing from some Infantry officers from 3PPCLI when I was in Wainwright supporting the Combat Team Crew Commanders Course in May 2010. It's better for you to pick at least 3 trades or more while in the recruiting process. OR you can go through with whatever trade you pull outta your ***, do BMQ, get posted to where the training for trade X is and then ask for a remuster. Not the best way to do it but it is an avenue to try as well. Some recruiters will BS you just to get you in. Play it  smart and don't accept anything other than what you really want to do providing that you have the pre-requisites suited to that trade.

Cheers...

That sounds like there are going to be a lot of unhappy troops in trades they did not want, which may or may not result in a few VRs.  I for one would refuse to be pushed into a trade I did not originally accept.  (I only applied for one specific trade in any case).   

Can they even do this?  They accepted offers to be infantry soldiers, signed contracts and then they get "pushed" into something else?  Sounds a little suspect to me... Can anyone confirm?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Michael O'Leary on July 27, 2010, 19:29:10
Many of the people in the system right now were brought in based on predictions of steady attrition and there was a need to keep feeding the machine. The Infantry Corps has a lot of experience being under-manned but very little experience at being over-manned. What we are seeing is the collision of an accelerated and successful recruiting system of the past few years and a sudden decline in attrition (poor economy for planned second career options perhaps) suddenly resulted in a personnel overage.  At the same time many other attractive remuster trades suddenly started shutting its doors as own their manning issues were solved and they were not drawing off the experienced soldiers the Infantry had expected to lose by that route.  Unfortunately, this isn't a process with a  simple on/off switch - recruiting is based on best guesses of evolving trends and trying to balance intakes to arrive in battalions to match outflow by all means (few of which are controlled internally by the CF). There was a time not many years ago when the shoe was on the other foot and troops who dediced they didn't like the infantry were committed to doing their first 3-year engagement before they would be allowed to request a voluntary release.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Grunt_031 on July 27, 2010, 20:06:05
Quote
They accepted offers to be infantry soldiers, signed contracts and then they get "pushed" into something else?  Sounds a little suspect to me... Can anyone confirm?

Would not be the first time this has happened. When I was at the Mega in 1990 when they reclassified over a 100 or so pers to other trades after their trades closed. They were undergoing SLT. If I recall correctly they were given a choice of three MOC to choose from (MSEOP, Supply, and MP).

It all falls under CF requirement and universality of service clause of the contracts.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Pegcity on July 27, 2010, 20:18:57
Would not be the first time this has happened. When I was at the Mega in 1990 when they reclassified over a 100 or so pers to other trades after their trades closed. They were undergoing SLT. If I recall correctly they were given a choice of three MOC to choose from (MSEOP, Supply, and MP).

It all falls under CF requirement and universality of service clause of the contracts.

Thank you for sharing, very helpful information.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ozn0g on July 27, 2010, 22:05:56
Many of the people in the system right now were brought in based on predictions of steady attrition and there was a need to keep feeding the machine. The Infantry Corps has a lot of experience being under-manned but very little experience at being over-manned. What we are seeing is the collision of an accelerated and successful recruiting system of the past few years and a sudden decline in attrition (poor economy for planned second career options perhaps) suddenly resulted in a personnel overage.  At the same time many other attractive remuster trades suddenly started shutting its doors as own their manning issues were solved and they were not drawing off the experienced soldiers the Infantry had expected to lose by that route.  Unfortunately, this isn't a process with a  simple on/off switch - recruiting is based on best guesses of evolving trends and trying to balance intakes to arrive in battalions to match outflow by all means (few of which are controlled internally by the CF). There was a time not many years ago when the shoe was on the other foot and troops who dediced they didn't like the infantry were committed to doing their first 3-year engagement before they would be allowed to request a voluntary release.

Very well said... Hard to think that a few years back they were basically dragging people into the infantry and now they aren't even processing applicants for the trade. The one year I decide to apply it closes. :-\
Title: Re: Not hiring infantry
Post by: ducky on July 28, 2010, 00:08:06
For the guy who says he will go south of the border to join, I would suggest you think very long and hard about this. Think of doing your time and getting a call 7 years down the line saying you have to report back to a US base in 2 weeks or face jail time.

haha exactly...i heard about this and people warned me to not join the CF based on their misconceptions of the US forces...that is why i'm doing a bit more homework on really what is in the fine print in the contract...
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: agc on July 28, 2010, 08:14:27
That sounds like there are going to be a lot of unhappy troops in trades they did not want, which may or may not result in a few VRs.  I for one would refuse to be pushed into a trade I did not originally accept.  (I only applied for one specific trade in any case).   

Can they even do this?  They accepted offers to be infantry soldiers, signed contracts and then they get "pushed" into something else?  Sounds a little suspect to me... Can anyone confirm?

There is a special voluntary occupational transfer program for the infantry right now.  It allows qualified soldiers to voluntarily remuster to a number of occupations that usually are quite difficult to get into, as long as they meet the entrance requirements for that trade, with the normal 3- and 4-year time restrictions waived.  Trades like Fire Fighter, Imagery Technician, and a bunch of others that are closed to the public this year are eligible for the plan.  I don't believe that it is likely this plan will open again in future years, so no prospective CF members reading this should make any plans based on it.

Ultimately the plan will probably result in fewer VRs than if it did not exist.  Nobody wants to wait on PAT platoon for years, and it may help some get into occupations they originally wanted but thought would never be possible.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ColdNorth on July 28, 2010, 19:10:57
There is a special voluntary occupational transfer program for the infantry right now.  It allows qualified soldiers to voluntarily remuster to a number of occupations that usually quite difficult to get into, as long as they meet the entrance requirements for that trade, with the normal 3- and 4-year time restrictions waived.  Trades like Fire Fighter, Imagery Technician, and a bunch of others that are closed to the public this year are eligible for the plan.  I don't believe that it is likely this plan will open again in future years, so no prospective CF members reading this should make any plans based on it.

Ultimately the plan will probably result in fewer VRs than if it did not exist.  Nobody wants to wait on PAT platoon for years, and it may help some get into occupations they originally wanted but thought would never be possible.

Yes, this program sounds like a good thing, at least a good incentive, for the new soldiers waiting for the infantry training pipeline to clear out.  It at least gives them an option to consider, rather than if soldiers were "pushed" into any trade they did not want as was suggested in a previous post.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: sean m on July 28, 2010, 20:56:48
Hi

Is there any  new news as to how soon  or how long it will take for this problem of not enough space to be fixed. Does anyone know of any possibly ways to deals with this problem the army and government are  looking into I am interested in going into INT reserves in montreal yet still havent heard back, since it is really full.  I sent in copies of documents but still have not heard back from anyone. If it takes this long to just get into INT reserves would it be much harder to get into INT school from the reserves. I am training as an civilian MED TECH as a way to make money and improve on life skills, yet I want to get into INT. Would applying as an army Med tech while having INT reserve experience be better than just being a med tech and applying to INT school or would just having INT reserve experience be better. I am 20 years old, do you think that time is passing by too fast and should just stick to MED TECH or do you think it is still possible to attempt to get into INT through any route.

Thank you very much
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PMedMoe on July 28, 2010, 21:28:55
Hi

Is there any  new news as to how soon  or how long it will take for this problem of not enough space to be fixed. Does anyone know of any possibly ways to deals with this problem the army and government are  looking into I am interested in going into INT reserves in montreal yet still havent heard back, since it is really full.  I sent in copies of documents but still have not heard back from anyone. If it takes this long to just get into INT reserves would it be much harder to get into INT school from the reserves. I am training as an civilian MED TECH as a way to make money and improve on life skills, yet I want to get into INT. Would applying as an army Med tech while having INT reserve experience be better than just being a med tech and applying to INT school or would just having INT reserve experience be better. I am 20 years old, do you think that time is passing by too fast and should just stick to MED TECH or do you think it is still possible to attempt to get into INT through any route.

Thank you very much

Here we go round the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush, the mulberry bush......     ::)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Nauticus on July 28, 2010, 22:28:45
Huh. I would of thought with all the female police officers, fire fighters, EMS and armed forces members that way of thinking would only be reserved for rednecks and chauvinists. I can't really see anyone in the armed forces blatantly treating you differently just because you're a female.  :(
I agree with you. But I recall the RCMP does/used to give women lower physical standards to meet, which is not employment equity at all. When I went to BMQ, the women who I trained with meet the lowest fitness standard and none of them made it to the end of the course.

With that said, that is in no way that reflects women in general, but it is how some people come to those conclusions. Women and men should meet the same mental and physical requirements and should be treated exactly equally to promote true employment equity.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ozn0g on July 28, 2010, 23:24:41
Well just an update.... And more bad news once again. Finally got ahold of my recruiter and he confirmed that i wouldn't be hired until April 2011... So yea anyone that applied for any trade in the combat arms and didn't get the call last April you're hooped until next year. This is unbelievable, i never thought this would take 2 years. Holy f**k.  :rage: Looks like i might have to do reserves or something.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Michael O'Leary on July 28, 2010, 23:34:44
Well just an update.... And more bad news once again. Finally got ahold of my recruiter and he confirmed that i wouldn't be hired until April 2011... So yea anyone that applied for any trade in the combat arms and didn't get the call last April you're hooped until next year. This is unbelievable, i never thought this would take 2 years. Holy f**k.  :rage: Looks like i might have to do reserves or something.

That's odd, that sounds just like what members here have been telling people .... but no-one wants to believe it when they hear it from us.

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: standingdown on July 29, 2010, 01:12:00
Hi

Is there any  new news as to how soon  or how long it will take for this problem of not enough space to be fixed. Does anyone know of any possibly ways to deals with this problem the army and government are  looking into I am interested in going into INT reserves in montreal yet still havent heard back, since it is really full.  I sent in copies of documents but still have not heard back from anyone. If it takes this long to just get into INT reserves would it be much harder to get into INT school from the reserves. I am training as an civilian MED TECH as a way to make money and improve on life skills, yet I want to get into INT. Would applying as an army Med tech while having INT reserve experience be better than just being a med tech and applying to INT school or would just having INT reserve experience be better. I am 20 years old, do you think that time is passing by too fast and should just stick to MED TECH or do you think it is still possible to attempt to get into INT through any route.

Thank you very much

There are members of 4 Int Coy on this site. With posts like these, do you really wonder why you have not been hired? Quit the frenglish...learn to speak at least one of the official languages of Canada properly. Communicate accordingly.

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ozn0g on July 29, 2010, 04:38:19
That's odd, that sounds just like what members here have been telling people .... but no-one wants to believe it when they hear it from us.
Yes I know... I questioned what I was reading. But I have read a lot of BS on the forums that has been extremely wrong and misleading. Lots of mixed messages in lots of different threads... Not to say I haven't received a lot of useful material. It's just that phone call personally wrapped things up for me. I assumed that April 2011 would only apply for people who applied recently. Because they were telling me in September 2009 I'd be hired April 2010, and when April came they said I'd be hired in September 2010. But that's obviously out of the question. You can't blame me for some what doubting what I was reading. But I understand the severity of the overload now.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Good2Golf on July 29, 2010, 09:14:38
There are members of 4 Int Coy on this site. With posts like these, do you really wonder why you have not been hired? Quit the frenglish...learn to speak at least one of the official languages of Canada properly. Communicate accordingly.

The writing (and if his speaking is similar) is probably worth a CCC.  He's making a pretty good effort, I'd say.  No need for a snarky statement about not being hired.

Tone and Content (http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,51970.0.html)

Milnet.ca Staff
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on July 29, 2010, 09:28:21
.......... or do you think it is still possible to attempt to get into INT through any route.



sean m

You have been WARNED numerous times before to drop this.  You have been given information.  You have been given direction.  Your posts here are probably being read by people who you are trying to get a job with.  It would appear that they are impressed in a less than encouraging manner by them.  We are impressed in a less than encouraging manner by them.   
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: EpicBeardedMan on July 30, 2010, 23:46:08
Anyone know if they're still looking for Naval Communicators? A buddy of mine is looking into the Navy and this trade.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: galgal23 on July 31, 2010, 01:39:19
Anyone know if they're still looking for Naval Communicators? A buddy of mine is looking into the Navy and this trade.

its full
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: EpicBeardedMan on July 31, 2010, 22:33:18
Damn, guess he'll have to take a math class to get a Nav Tech job.. thanks for the replies.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Sapplicant on August 02, 2010, 14:36:55
I am 20 years old, do you think that time is passing by too fast and should just stick to MED TECH or do you think it is still possible to attempt to get into INT through any route.


Dude, you're only 20 years old. The only way time is passing too fast is if the Mayan 2012 nutjobs are right. You have all the time in the world to get into the army. They accept people twice your age. Calm down. If you really want it that bad, then isn't it worth the wait? I know it is for me. Might be 2 months, might be 2 years. Either way, if you really want it that bad, it'll happen eventually. Just take the wait time to prepare yourself physically and mentally, and keep building up your resume through work, studies, and volunteering (if you have the free time). Good things come to those who wait.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ozn0g on August 02, 2010, 17:32:30
Dude, you're only 20 years old. The only way time is passing too fast is if the Mayan 2012 nutjobs are right. You have all the time in the world to get into the army. They accept people twice your age. Calm down. If you really want it that bad, then isn't it worth the wait? I know it is for me. Might be 2 months, might be 2 years. Either way, if you really want it that bad, it'll happen eventually. Just take the wait time to prepare yourself physically and mentally, and keep building up your resume through work, studies, and volunteering (if you have the free time). Good things come to those who wait.
Yea I'm deciding to do my BMQ through the reserves... I've waited one year and waiting another just isn't floating my boat. I know where "sean m" is coming from. I've been eager and ready to go to St Jean since 2009. It's either I work part time for another year and wait, or work part time and do training on the weekends. I think I'd rather be qualified when April 2011 rolls and have a foot in the door.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: CFR FCS on August 02, 2010, 17:41:15
I hate to burst your bubble but unless you do a Naval Reserve BMQ your "reserve" BMQ will not count against a Reg F BMQ qualification and you will have to do St. Jean anyway. Unless you get the course done and enough Class A time to be granted the qualification. I recommend that you ask the Reserve units, who aren't hiring very many people this year, what the P Res BMQ gets you towards Reg F BMQ. It might save you some more frustration.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Sapplicant on August 02, 2010, 17:51:27
I hate to burst your bubble but unless you do a Naval Reserve BMQ your "reserve" BMQ will not count against a Reg F BMQ qualification and you will have to do St. Jean anyway. Unless you get the course done and enough Class A time to be granted the qualification. I recommend that you ask the Reserve units, who aren't hiring very many people this year, what the P Res BMQ gets you towards Reg F BMQ. It might save you some more frustration.


:+1:


I'm electing to spend my weekends with family and friends I won't see for a while once I do start. Plus I'd hate to go into BMQ with the mindset of "I already did this in the reserves, piece of cake" lest I find myself with my ears ringing and face covered in spit-mist from the attitude tune-up I just recieved from the staff...
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Le Adder Noir on August 02, 2010, 17:57:36


. Plus I'd hate to go into BMQ with the mindset of "I already did this in the reserves, piece of cake"

That is an attitude which individuals hoist aboard by themselves, it's not issue kit on a PRES BMQ.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ozn0g on August 02, 2010, 20:02:27
I hate to burst your bubble but unless you do a Naval Reserve BMQ your "reserve" BMQ will not count against a Reg F BMQ qualification and you will have to do St. Jean anyway. Unless you get the course done and enough Class A time to be granted the qualification. I recommend that you ask the Reserve units, who aren't hiring very many people this year, what the P Res BMQ gets you towards Reg F BMQ. It might save you some more frustration.
No worries thanks for the tips. Four of my friends did the same thing and they were fully qualified for Reg and were deployed to Afghanistan last year. Then again I'm not sure about all the hoops they had to jump through etc etc. But I will get a hold of the reserve units in Nanaimo and Victoria after the long weekend.... Check my options and see what I can do.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: darkskye on August 02, 2010, 21:50:13
FYI,

The CF has updated their website, it looks really good!

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Pegcity on August 02, 2010, 21:54:01
Looks terrific, the old page while looking futuristic was pretty difficult to navigate if you hadn't used it before, this looks like a much more straight forward design.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Future_Medic on August 02, 2010, 22:22:44
ya it looks good now less clicking to find what I'm looking for:)

and I'm glad to see my choice is still available only a little bit left to go till i can reapply  :D
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: EpicBeardedMan on August 03, 2010, 01:03:57
Pretty snazzy design. Keep in mind the things they have listed "In Demand" are probably not really in demand anymore. The site isn't really up to date with reality.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ColdNorth on August 03, 2010, 13:17:20
They even updated some of the videos.. good stuff..
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Pegcity on August 03, 2010, 14:19:27
They finally put up a video for intel officer.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on August 03, 2010, 15:13:06
They finally put up a video for intel officer.

INTEL is hiring?  Are they only looking for Electronics Engineer Grads?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: agc on August 03, 2010, 17:26:09
Further to that, the NCM occupations listed there are only open for the Subsidized Education Plan.  Anyone looking to join these will need to get unconditionally accepted to an approved college program to make a successful application.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: LEAP on August 03, 2010, 17:42:22
I really don't understand what is going on. My husband submitted his application in March. After a problem with his application and it being fixed, he changed his 1st choice to Marine Engineer Mechanic. He has all the qualifications. He received a call telling him when he is to do his aptitude test (Aug. 12th) about a week ago. Today he gets a phone call saying that the position is closed and he's to call the officer in charge of his file to consider his options. The officer in charge of his file is on holidays until the 16th of August. I just looked on line and Marine Engineer Mechanic is still listed as a HOT JOB. We are so frustrated with what has been going on. I think he might go to the recruiting center tomorrow to talk to someone.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on August 03, 2010, 18:10:43
 ::)


How many times has it been said now?



Trades are full.  They will be open for very short periods of time, as the waiting lists are so long.  If you are number one on a waiting list then perhaps you stand a chance when that Trade opens.  If you are not, then you have to be patient.  Don't post here that you can't understand.  If you had read any of the previous posts, you'd have a very good idea of what is going on. 
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Future_Medic on August 03, 2010, 18:42:07
Further to that, the NCM occupations listed there are only open for the Subsidized Education Plan.  Anyone looking to join these will need to get unconditionally accepted to an approved college program to make a successful application.

that's sad because  then we have to wait till next year to go because we cant apply to collages now, Ive been working so hard for the past year to be able to go
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: agc on August 03, 2010, 18:42:42
Yeah, and it doesn't say that anywhere either on the PDF. It's pretty misleading if that is the case.

Really?  There's around a dozen different entry plans that can depending on career choice, education level (objective or achieved), aboriginal status, etc.  Why make it any more confusing for people than "We are looking to fill positions in XYZ job description"?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Nauticus on August 03, 2010, 18:44:08
That is an attitude which individuals hoist aboard by themselves, it's not issue kit on a PRES BMQ.

Although obvious, you can't deny that the attitude is exponentially higher among those who've done PRES BMQ to those who haven't.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: agc on August 03, 2010, 18:48:06
that's sad because  then we have to wait till next year to go because we cant apply to collages now, Ive been working so hard for the past year to be able to go

Unfortunately the CF has no control over (most of) the colleges.  There is a serious backlog for the Paramedic program at a lot of places. 

For the Naval Technical Trades there are positions reserved by the CF at the Marine Institute and applicants interested in those occupations do still have just enough time to try there.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: EpicBeardedMan on August 04, 2010, 01:04:12
. I just looked on line and Marine Engineer Mechanic is still listed as a HOT JOB. We are so frustrated with what has been going on. I think he might go to the recruiting center tomorrow to talk to someone.

The website isn't up to date, if you're following that as a guide to see what's open you'll be very dissapointed, as you already are apparently. Like everyones said time and time again on here, if you have a question about trades that are open or closed CALL your local CFRC. Unless Otis wants to answer your questions you probably won't get a recruiter helping you out on here.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: WarriorMonk on August 06, 2010, 11:25:25
I noticed last night a new set of postings for CF jobs on Workopolis.com.  I realize that these do not reflect current openings, however, are these intended to get new applicants into the recruiting system and processing, with anticipation of starting in spring 2011 or later?  Or in other words, do these job listings reflect anticipated intake for the next fiscal?  Just curious....
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Michael O'Leary on August 06, 2010, 14:09:01
Looks like a set of generic job postings, consider just an advertising stream. They probably get put up on a schedule that has no relation to specific openings in each trade. It is no different that the CF has not pulled down all its advertising just because we aren't looking for many people right now.
Title: Need advice...
Post by: Shea on August 17, 2010, 21:13:50
Hi everyone.  :)

I just made an application to join up online...then followed up today with a phone call to my local RC. I was told there is a hiring freeze in effect and to start asking them again in January.

Anyone else hear this?? I know there have been cut backs and I think a freeze at one point....I am a bit stunned. Help please??
Title: Re: Need advice...
Post by: aesop081 on August 17, 2010, 21:17:21
I am a bit stunned. Help please??

Do you have reason to beleive that you were lied to ?
Title: Re: Need advice...
Post by: Ex-Dragoon on August 17, 2010, 21:19:11
I am not sure what you're looking for. If your Friendly Neighbourhood Recruitment Centre informed you that there is a hiring freeze in effect and to get in touch with them in Jan what's the issue? Your RC can only offer you a position if there are positions available.

Milnet.Ca Staff
Title: Re: Need advice...
Post by: fischer10 on August 17, 2010, 21:31:20
Hi everyone.  :)

I just made an application to join up online...then followed up today with a phone call to my local RC. I was told there is a hiring freeze in effect and to start asking them again in January.

Anyone else hear this?? I know there have been cut backs and I think a freeze at one point....I am a bit stunned. Help please??

I applied November 09 and did my CFAT/Medical/Interview all in February. I got a call in April and there was already a "freeze" on Infantry, my first choice. I read the site almost daily, and there is all the information on here that backs up the RC. From what I read on here, most trades are closed and wont start taking in applications until the new year (prepare to send the applications through in the new fiscal which is April.)

Start doing a physical routine if you have not and phone them back in November/December to see where things stand. You can even phone them back now and get everything you can filled out and waiting to drop off when you get the go-ahead. It's a LONG wait for everyone, some longer then others. If you get under a 7 month wait consider that to be average (just from my reading, been people waiting over a year apparently...)

Good luck!
Title: Re: Need advice...
Post by: Shea on August 17, 2010, 21:37:24
I didn't think I was lied to by the RC.  I was just caught off guard. Anyway I was looking to see if anyone else had heard of there being a freeze and maybe if anyone knew if or when it might be lifted.

 Thanks for the help fischer10.  :) I will be following up every now and then to see where things are.
Title: Re: Need advice...
Post by: Michael O'Leary on August 17, 2010, 21:50:55
Take some time and explore the forums, both by browsing the recruiting sections and by using the search function - you will finds lots of discussion on closed trades, 'hiring freezes' and long waits for offers for the increasingly rare openings in many trades.
Title: Re: Need advice...
Post by: Gravja on August 17, 2010, 22:03:58
I applied back in February this year.  Took about 4 months to go through the process "app test, Background, medical etc".  Finally had my interview in July when the Captain interviewing me told me that everything was now full. 

Just going to have to wait till April when the Military gets the new list of what jobs are available.  ;D   These 8 months are going to be killer :(
Title: Lack of jobs available?
Post by: yettiohead on August 17, 2010, 23:04:58
Hey, I stopped by the recruiting office yesterday and they told me that the only two jobs open were for Military Police and Musician. I want to be a Materials Technician but the guy I spoke to said that my chances are slim. I do not want to attend school for two years before getting posted somewhere either. I want to join nooow!!!!! :crybaby:  Is this really the case? Is it that hard to land jobs right now, and do I have to wait for months to see when Mat. Tech. re-opens?
Title: Re: Lack of jobs available?
Post by: Alea on August 17, 2010, 23:17:05
Hey, I stopped by the recruiting office yesterday and they told me that the only two jobs open were for Military Police and Musician. I want to be a Materials Technician but the guy I spoke to said that my chances are slim. I do not want to attend school for two years before getting posted somewhere either. I want to join nooow!!!!! :crybaby:  Is this really the case? Is it that hard to land jobs right now, and do I have to wait for months to see when Mat. Tech. re-opens?

Hi yetti...

You stopped by the recruiting office and they told you that trades were closed. Trades are closed.

A lot of people on this site have been waiting sometimes up to 2 years before they were offered a job in the CF. Trades are closed now and all we can do is WAIT... PATIENTLY... (without crying) because, yes, you might have to wait for months before your chosen trade opens again.

That is reality and in the meantime, you could read and learn a lot of interesting things from the forum... along with contacting your recruiting center once in a while in order to find out about your trade.

Take care,
Alea

Title: Re: Lack of jobs available?
Post by: Nauticus on August 17, 2010, 23:37:38
Hey, I stopped by the recruiting office yesterday and they told me that the only two jobs open were for Military Police and Musician. I want to be a Materials Technician but the guy I spoke to said that my chances are slim. I do not want to attend school for two years before getting posted somewhere either. I want to join nooow!!!!! :crybaby:  Is this really the case? Is it that hard to land jobs right now, and do I have to wait for months to see when Mat. Tech. re-opens?

Despite popular opinion, it isn't April Fools, and what the recruiter told you is valid, accurate, and correct.
Title: Re: Lack of jobs available?
Post by: owa on August 18, 2010, 00:05:31
Hey, I stopped by the recruiting office yesterday and they told me that the only two jobs open were for Military Police and Musician. I want to be a Materials Technician but the guy I spoke to said that my chances are slim. I do not want to attend school for two years before getting posted somewhere either. I want to join nooow!!!!! :crybaby:  Is this really the case? Is it that hard to land jobs right now, and do I have to wait for months to see when Mat. Tech. re-opens?

Based on my limited experience, this is typical.

It was about this time last year I decided I wanted to join the Army.  What I wanted was closed, but I applied anyway and got some of the process done.  Then they told me they had to stop processing because the trade was closed and they didn't want to waste resources processing for the combat arms trades that were closed (makes sense).  They called me back in the Spring when their new recruiting numbers came in, and I did my Medical -- to find out I didn't have the eyes for the trade I wanted, and then I went Signals Operator...  Which I could've taken back last Winter hahahaha (lesson learned.  I should've done more research before I applied instead of stubbornly picking one trade even though there were loads others I would love to do).  Anyway, it all worked out for me, and it seems that it has worked out better then a lot of the recruiting stories I've heard (off to BMQ in November).

ANYWAY, after that long winded explanation of where I'm coming from, listen to the CFRC.  Try to find work arounds and research other positions.  See if you can get some processing of your application done in the meantime (so that when it does reopen, you'll have a start on the process -- I can't guarantee this is an option because sometimes it just isn't).  Just be around and be open minded.  They won't lead you astray, they have no secret motives (other then trying to sweet talk me into going Combat Engineer rofl).
Title: Re: Lack of jobs available?
Post by: Jarnhamar on August 18, 2010, 00:47:47
Hey, I stopped by the recruiting office yesterday and they told me that the only two jobs open were for Military Police and Musician. I want to be a Materials Technician but the guy I spoke to said that my chances are slim. I do not want to attend school for two years before getting posted somewhere either. I want to join nooow!!!!! :crybaby:  Is this really the case? Is it that hard to land jobs right now, and do I have to wait for months to see when Mat. Tech. re-opens?

Military Police (With a police foundations or likewise course), Musician and Geo Tech are the only ones open right now.  You can apply for another trade that is closed and play the waiting game.
In my experience, if you wanna be a materials technician, wait it out.  Don't pick a different trade "for now" then try and switch over later.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PMedMoe on August 18, 2010, 08:34:06
Isn't Mat Tech a difficult trade to get with direct entry?  I always thought there were a lot of remusters into that trade.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: acooper on August 18, 2010, 16:56:10
You're going to end up with quite a wait on GeoTech. The course for this year has already started, and they only run one a year - my hubby is on this course.

That being said, he said there are folks on the course right out of BMQ, and they're being put up in the residence on campus for the course. Others are OT/CT-ing in from elsewhere.
Title: Land Force's hiring?
Post by: ChargerKeith on August 20, 2010, 17:05:22
I'm just curious why the for the last two months there haven't been any land force job openings?
I've been the recruit center and have called a few times, now I've been told to wait till April 2011 for jobs/trades to open. Is everyhing really full or is there another way to get into the CF?

Thanks
Title: Re: Land Force's hiring?
Post by: dapaterson on August 20, 2010, 17:08:46
Dependign on the trade, there may be no openings until April 2011 because the training system is filled until mid 2011.  In other cases, the CF has too many of the trade and won`t be recruting many until the trade has come back down to its target level.
Title: Re: Land Force's hiring?
Post by: EpicBeardedMan on August 21, 2010, 02:31:26
I'm just curious why the for the last two months there haven't been any land force job openings?
I've been the recruit center and have called a few times, now I've been told to wait till April 2011 for jobs/trades to open. Is everyhing really full or is there another way to get into the CF?

Thanks

Unless you want to be a musician or an MP in the armed forces you'll probably have to wait until April 2011, that's the way the cookie crumbles.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: sunshinethewolf on August 24, 2010, 16:50:33
I'd only recently begun my application process to find it halted as almost all occupations are closed, thats understandable why should the CF accept unsolicited resumes? I was told by my recruiter (and this forum) that hiring would resume in 04/2011 and I could reopen my file 01/2011. My question is this...

I've read alot of posts regarding 'merit-listed' and assume this means you've completed the application process and qualify for an offer, though no offer exists. It would make sense that when the hiring process begins again these many merit-listed applicants will simply be called and accept. So if I can start the application again in 01/2011 and complete all aspects before 04/11 is there enough surplus of merit-listed individuals to keep me from receiving that most beautiful of phone calls this spring?Will my completion of application simply put me somewhere near the top of the line for 2012? I understand alot of variables factor into a definite yes/no answer, position applied for, quotas, succesful applicants; but i'm still curious. I read the forum about approx. wait times but it was dated seven years ago so if anybody feels like throwing in their two cents that would be appreciated.


Patiently doing pushups for now...
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: northernboy_24 on August 24, 2010, 16:54:51
To answer it bluntly, it depends.  It depends on the trades that you apply to, the number of open positions in april 2011, how you rank on the merit list, if you qualify to be merit listed for your trade etc.  Some trades will have a couple openings, some will have none and others may have a lot.  There may be only 30 people who want a trade but if there are only 25 openings and you are number 26 then you don't get an offer. 

Best of luck and I hope you get the trade you wanted.

cheers
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: BUSTERTIPPMAN on August 24, 2010, 18:04:22
you say all thats open is MP and Musician, What about the jobs with a star beside it on Forces.ca site? Are they not really open also?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Pegcity on August 24, 2010, 18:09:31
you say all thats open is MP and Musician, What about the jobs with a star beside it on Forces.ca site? Are they not really open also?

You can't go by that site as an indicator of what is open. Trade openings can change daily.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: EpicBeardedMan on August 26, 2010, 00:25:42
you say all thats open is MP and Musician, What about the jobs with a star beside it on Forces.ca site? Are they not really open also?

I should copy and paste some of these replies. Like it has been said multiple times before, the jobs listed on the website as a "Hot Job" doesn't necessarily mean that they are, in fact, open. It was also posted somewhere on these forums that right now they are only actively recruiting MP's and Musicians from the NCM careers.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: danteh on August 26, 2010, 20:52:57
I can tell you right now what trades are open (according to my CFAT scores) since I just got back from a BPSO appointment for my remuster from Infantry. I dont know how many of these are available through direct entry

Navy
===
NAV COMM
NCI OP
NE TECH
NES OP
NW TECH
SONAR OP

Land
===
ARTY
ARMOURED
EO TECH
LCIS TECH
LMN
MAT TECH
SIG OP
VEH TECH
W TECH

Air
==
AVS TECH
CONST TECH
ED TECH
EGS TECH
FIRE FIGHTER (Trade I'm changing to)
PH TECH
RM TECH
WFE TECH

Purple Trades
=========
AMMO TECH
COOK
RMS CLERK
SUPPLY TECH
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on August 26, 2010, 21:00:50
I can tell you right now what trades are open (according to my CFAT scores)


All this post is going to do is confuse the situation more for applicants off the street. What is available to you, as a serving member, doesnt reflect what is available at the CFRC. Further to that, what your CFAT score reflects (that list you posted) is what you are suitable for, not what is open to you.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: danteh on August 26, 2010, 21:32:41
I have been told that every trade on that list is OPEN as of yesterday.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on August 26, 2010, 21:35:03
And tomorrow?  Tomorrow is another day.  Yesterday is history.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Alea on August 26, 2010, 21:45:44
I have been told that every trade on that list is OPEN as of yesterday.

And who exactly told you that? Were these the exact words? "These trades are opened now" or "your CFAT qualifies you for all these trades".

If you're stating something wrong here because you missunderstood what was said to you... that's "alright" because it happens to everyone BUT, you should keep in mind that a lot of people are expecting their trade to open again, and this includes me.

If my recruiter tells me that RMS never reopened (since I saw him 2 days ago and spoke on the phone with him yesterday)... I will gladly give you the -300 for getting everyone's hopes high.


Alea
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on August 26, 2010, 22:09:34
I have been told that every trade on that list is OPEN as of yesterday.

and as i said, because you are a serving member ( even more so because you are OTing from infantry) what you get as an Open list is not what a civvy gets at the CFRC.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: jwecrane on August 27, 2010, 14:23:54
I can comment that, as a civilian-turned-potential-recruit, CFRC has a letter of employment for me as an Armoured Soldier dated 13 Oct...somehow, either Arms became open, or a spot was held for me from my application earlier this year, prior to Med and Clearance...doubt the latter, more likely, somehow, Arms opened up...
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: kincanucks on August 27, 2010, 18:52:48
I can comment that, as a civilian-turned-potential-recruit, CFRC has a letter of employment for me as an Armoured Soldier dated 13 Oct...somehow, either Arms became open, or a spot was held for me from my application earlier this year, prior to Med and Clearance...doubt the latter, more likely, somehow, Arms opened up...

Again that is what happened to you and may not apply to everyone else.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: BOYBLUE on August 27, 2010, 19:05:04
I was just at the Oshawa office on Tuesday the 24 of August and all the jobs Had closed signs over them with the exception of a few just a FYI.... :salute:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: danteh on August 27, 2010, 20:01:50
And who exactly told you that? Were these the exact words? "These trades are opened now" or "your CFAT qualifies you for all these trades".

The BPSO told me "All of the trades on this list are currently open and are trades you qualified for as of August 25."
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Alea on August 27, 2010, 23:58:32
The BPSO told me "All of the trades on this list are currently open and are trades you qualified for as of August 25."

Danteh,

YOU qualified for these trades because YOU are a member of the CF already.

Following your post, I felt the need to find out about Occupational Transfers versus civilians' enrollments.
Thanks to you, I now know the difference between both: opened trades for members of the CF who are already qualified in a trade (and want to change trades) are not the same as the ones opened to civilian enrollment.

I cannot imagine the amount of phone calls that recruiters might have gotten today, from hopefull civilians, following your previous post  ::)

Alea

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: belka on August 28, 2010, 00:34:29
Wow, only 5 years later and it's a complete 180. In 2003/04 you could walk into a recruiting center and get pretty much any trade you wanted. I remember looking at the trade list they had in the Kelowna recruiting center, only two or three trades were closed, now, two or three are open. Guess its a good thing.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: stealthylizard on August 28, 2010, 03:00:40
I can comment that, as a civilian-turned-potential-recruit, CFRC has a letter of employment for me as an Armoured Soldier dated 13 Oct...somehow, either Arms became open, or a spot was held for me from my application earlier this year, prior to Med and Clearance...doubt the latter, more likely, somehow, Arms opened up...

Someone else may have given up waiting, and pulled their application.  Best of luck to you.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: EpicBeardedMan on August 28, 2010, 11:30:56
I can tell you right now what trades are open (according to my CFAT scores) since I just got back from a BPSO appointment for my remuster from Infantry. I dont know how many of these are available through direct entry

Navy
===
NAV COMM
NCI OP
NE TECH
NES OP
NW TECH
SONAR OP

Land
===
ARTY
ARMOURED
EO TECH
LCIS TECH
LMN
MAT TECH
SIG OP
VEH TECH
W TECH

Air
==
AVS TECH
CONST TECH
ED TECH
EGS TECH
FIRE FIGHTER (Trade I'm changing to)
PH TECH
RM TECH
WFE TECH

Purple Trades
=========
AMMO TECH
COOK
RMS CLERK
SUPPLY TECH

All those trades are closed. For us Civvies anyway.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: NDC on August 28, 2010, 12:16:10
I can comment that, as a civilian-turned-potential-recruit, CFRC has a letter of employment for me as an Armoured Soldier dated 13 Oct...somehow, either Arms became open, or a spot was held for me from my application earlier this year, prior to Med and Clearance...doubt the latter, more likely, somehow, Arms opened up...

Do they hold spots for you? Lets say your first choice is an Occupation that has a lengthy process (musician auditions for instance, from june to sept, oct til you hear back).. would they hold you a slot for your 2nd choice if you applied early and didnt get in your first choice?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: EpicBeardedMan on August 28, 2010, 13:51:51
Do they hold spots for you? Lets say your first choice is an Occupation that has a lengthy process (musician auditions for instance, from june to sept, oct til you hear back).. would they hold you a slot for your 2nd choice if you applied early and didnt get in your first choice?

I doubt it. Why would they hold a slot for you for your second choice when it's somebody's first choice?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Quo vadis on August 28, 2010, 14:06:23
Do they hold spots for you? Lets say your first choice is an Occupation that has a lengthy process (musician auditions for instance, from june to sept, oct til you hear back).. would they hold you a slot for your 2nd choice if you applied early and didnt get in your first choice?

I am not a recruiter. However, I do read these forums with diligence. It does not seem logical that spots would be held for any reason, other than if there is one spot open and you are the only one in the entire country that is qualified for it.

It has been mentioned in several threads, including this one, how the merit list works and that a job’s open/closed status is ever changing. What is closed today, even though the recruiter said it won’t open until April 2011, may in fact open tomorrow based on an immediate change in the future status. For example, someone retires or leaves today and the positioned must be filled in the next 6 months or, a unit’s budget increased and they are able to add more staff.

My situation seemed to follow an odd process this year. I applied back in Mar ’10 for AERE, CSEng, and MSEng. I merit listed for all three by June ’10. AERE was full at that time. As I was patiently awaiting a call for NOAB call, my recruiter called me at the end of July ’10 and said that a CE Officer positioned opened and he thought I was a perfect fit. This was completely different than the positions I had built myself up to do. He gave me a half a day to think about the change, or else I would lose the opportunity. No CE positions were open this year. This was an unadvertised spot due to a quick change in some department’s needs. One recruiter got the job to fill ASAP and I was incredibly fortunate to be at the right place at the right time. The “closed” status of CE Officer is still in effect, however they hired someone.

My advice for those who are waiting on “closed” jobs is DO NOT give up until next year. I used to call my recruiter every second Monday for almost 2 months. He knew who I was, he knew I was serious, he knew I was determined to serve and I was a good gamble. I would still be waiting for a NOAB call that may never had come if I wasn’t determined to let the recruiter know I was the best candidate for them to bank on. Having said that, don’t be an irritating pain in the arse to your recruiter. Have a reason to call, other than “are there any spots open”? I cannot give you advice on what to say, but there must be something that you wish the recruiter knew about you. Build a relationship with them. It may serve you well.

My example is an anomaly. I do not intend to debunk that whole “closed” status. But rather to inform others that CHANGE is always happening.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Journeyman on August 28, 2010, 14:15:50
However, I do read these forums with diligence.
Thank you. Perhaps others will see the benefit in your method.

MilPoints enroute.  :nod:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: justintime519 on August 29, 2010, 17:47:49
"All good things come to those who wait",  I know that 8 months seems like a long time to wait but you have the rest of your life to serve in the field that you want, whats 8 more months?  I know your sick of waiting but going south of the border and joining the US Army? really? have you always been this impatient in life.  I'm presently waiting for April myself, I'm wanting to join the Combat Engineers, there not hiring right now but I'm willing to wait to get what I want, in fact I'm taking this time to better myself both physically and mentally, PT every day (gym/running) and upgrading my math by taking some night school so by the time April is here I'm ready.  I am a proud Canadian and couldn't imagine serving in someone elses army just because I was sick of waiting for the fiscal year to come about and have an opening available, especially Infantry, you can sure bet that there will be another opening for that line of work in the forces.

You know what the more I think about what your saying, going south and joining the US Army just because you can't wait until April, actually pisses me off to hear, in my opinion your not showing any pride for your country and are being a little self centered, an individual actually, I can't understand why you wouldn't want to serve beside another Canadian, serving Canada, fighting for Canada.

When you were a kid and you wanted something did you stomp your feet and scream to your mom 
"I WANT IT NOW!!!"

...of course this is just my opinion                         :salute: :cdn:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: stealthylizard on August 30, 2010, 03:07:11
You think waiting for trades in the CF is bad, just wait until you find out how long it will take you to enlist in the US military as a non-citizen, assuming of course you don't have dual citizenship, or are a member of a mohawk reservation.  When I checked into it, mind you this was a few years ago, I would have had to travel to the nearest consulate, which for me was ottawa, then get "permission" from Canada to serve in the US which could take awhile, paperwork and everything.  Then I would have had to go to nearest US recruiting centre, and do more paperwork, and wait even longer as a "foreigner".  I was given a minimum time frame of 12 months but most likely 18-24 after I had secured a "green card".
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: HavocSteve on August 30, 2010, 16:47:50
You think waiting for trades in the CF is bad, just wait until you find out how long it will take you to enlist in the US military as a non-citizen, assuming of course you don't have dual citizenship, or are a member of a mohawk reservation.  When I checked into it, mind you this was a few years ago, I would have had to travel to the nearest consulate, which for me was ottawa, then get "permission" from Canada to serve in the US which could take awhile, paperwork and everything.  Then I would have had to go to nearest US recruiting centre, and do more paperwork, and wait even longer as a "foreigner".  I was given a minimum time frame of 12 months but most likely 18-24 after I had secured a "green card".

My friend is now in Afghanistan doing Air Crew repair jobs for the Air force. When we were playing online gaming at 17yrs old, he put in his application from New Jersey and until a year ago, he was waiting to get in. Took him 3 years. I only hope my CF application takes half as long as his does. Come April, I hope to have my credit situation under control and addressed so when the FY comes around, I'll get merit listed and off to BMQ come September :) Until then, I'll be walking and jogging Ottawa! Get fit time.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on August 30, 2010, 16:55:10
Good luck Havoc.  Just remember, although it took him three years, he applied and got in prior to the "Freeze".  We have no idea how long the "Freeze" is going to last.
Title: Current position available in the CF (from the CFRC)
Post by: justintime519 on September 09, 2010, 18:38:41
Wow, there isn't much to choose from in the way of careers in the Forces at this point, I contacted the CFRC today and asked for the list of current positions available...

Priority Regular Force occupations are those that must be filled as soon as possible in order to maintain the CF’s operational capability.  As of 3 September 10, the following are the CF’s current priority occupations:

Marine Systems Engineering (Officer)
Naval Combat Systems Engineering (Officer)
Naval Electronics Technician (Acoustics/Sonar)
Naval Electronics Technician (Tactical/Radar)
Pharmacy (Officer)
Social Work (Officer)


(Does this kind of shortage of available positions happen often, is this normal given the time of year? )
Title: Re: Slim pickens
Post by: mwc on September 09, 2010, 18:42:24
I was told yesterday by the CFRC that it was due to budget cuts. Good too know that after 2 months of waiting, my file hasnt even entered processing. Looks like im going to have to do alot of waiting once i graduate college in the spring.
Title: Re: Slim pickens
Post by: PMedMoe on September 09, 2010, 18:45:23
justintime519, you posted in this thread:  Trades OPEN / Closed ? (http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,88342.msg967125.html#msg967125) which is 28 pages of why a lot of trades are closed.  Was it really necessary to start a new thread about the same thing?
Title: Re: Slim pickens
Post by: justintime519 on September 09, 2010, 18:48:36
 :-[ My apologies (Moe).  Truthfully I haven't read ALL 28 PAGES!  I'm really just posting the current positions that were told to me by the CFRC, I thought I would just squeeze in a quick question as to if this is normal, I didn't mean to be inefficient   by repeating myself...... boy you guys don't miss a beat around here, eh eagle eye?
Title: Re: Current position available in the CF (from the CFRC)
Post by: Alea on September 09, 2010, 19:27:37
Justintime,

Really, the best thing to do is call your local CFRC once in a while to find out when your trade will be open again. No one on this forum is in tittle to tell you when trades open or close.

Starting a thread (or posting in another one) about trades you were told are opened is not really usefull as most of these might be closed no less than a minute after you've let us know.

We are all in the same "basket"... patience is required ;)

Alea
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: justintime519 on September 09, 2010, 19:55:42
... I'm really getting a lesson in posting etiquette here,  I'm new here, I'm learning... :sorry:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on September 09, 2010, 20:00:03
It's just easier to find if everything is in one place and not spread out all over Hell's half acre.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Alea on September 09, 2010, 20:06:20
... I'm really getting a lesson in posting etiquette here,  I'm new here, I'm learning... :sorry:

Justintime,

Don't worry about it! Really!
We've all learnt about it at one point or another... me first ;)

If you use the search function before you want to ask a question on the forum, I am almost 100% sure that you'll get your answer through it.

Take care,
Alea
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Dukereuchre on September 11, 2010, 05:52:52
Hey guys!

First off i have been researching joining the military for some time now. Lucky for me i don't want to join until i finish my game development class at St. Lawrence College sometime in 2011. I have been really looking into the joining the army, more specifically, Infantry, Armoured,  Combat Engineer and Artillery. My first choice would be Infantry, however, there is such a influx and wait for infantry I'm starting to seriously look into Armoured. Alright, anyway, on to my question. What i was wondering is this: Should i apply now for the CF and will I be on a wait list to join. I have read about this but do not know to much information. The other option i was thinking of is applying in April when recruiting is open. My original plan was to apply sometime in December/November but i had not realized that the wait times are like they are. I find myself running into a problem. Like i said i want to join after I'm finished college and if i apply now and lets say by some god givin' miracle i get in before I'm done school i don't want to say 'No'. On the other hand I feel if I apply in April it will be to late and will have to wait a full year, which is obviously something no one wants to do, but i will. Any thoughts you have on anything i said would be greatly appreciated I'm not fixated on those career's either, those are the ones that i want to do, i would consider others that may get me into the CF sooner.

Thanks for reading, and i hope to hear from you soon,

Duke.         

EDIT: I apologize in advance if some things mentioned here were already mentioned in this forum or others, i have read about 10 or so pages and could not yet find the time to read all 28 or so.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: CallOfDuty on September 11, 2010, 09:19:32
  I think you should go ahead and apply.  The worst that could happen is the call you with an offer and you turn it down because of an obligation to your education.  It won't hurt you in applying later, and at least you know you're competitive.

  I've seen lots of people go to basic training and quit, go home, re-apply 6 months later and get chosen again. 

  I'm curious as to why someone with a background in game development would want to become a death tech in the army?  Maybe a bit of a video game commando who wants to see if he " has the right stuff"?  No offense, but we see it all the time.  Just look real close at your choices and be realistic.

Cheers
COD :cdn:

PS-----Sometimes you use the letter " I" when referring to yourself, and other times you use " i ".  Stick with the big one!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on September 11, 2010, 10:41:25
  PS-----Sometimes you use the letter " I" when referring to yourself, and other times you use " i ".  Stick with the big one!

 ;D

 >:D........and there are more ways to spell "to" too.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Dukereuchre on September 11, 2010, 15:20:19
I'm actually not one of those 'I'm going to go play CoD in RL! LOLOL' people. The reason why I want to join is because ever since I can remember I have been interested in the military. It started when I was younger and in about grade 5 where I was assigned a history project on how World War 2 started. This lead me to talk to grandfathers who were both veterans. Obviously they didn't me glory stories of the war they just told me what happened to them, actually my grandfather told me he considers everyone he served with a hero.  This lead me to do research with the military from a lot past events. Then about six years ago a good friend of mine joined the military and he told me what it was like for him and I was just so interested in everything he had to say. I guess what  I'am saying is I want to be part of history, this sounds a little dumb even to me, right now, as I'm writing it. I know that there are many other jobs that I could probably apply my field of work to but to be completely honest with these are the ones that I want to do. I understand that it is not joke, it is not a game. I have been fighting with myself over this but i feel like it's something i want to do.

PS: I heard about the spelling crucifixion on here i should of read my post better!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: EpicBeardedMan on September 11, 2010, 22:47:31
I'm actually not one of those 'I'm going to go play CoD in RL! LOLOL' people.

There's no respawn IRL.  ???
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PuckChaser on September 11, 2010, 23:53:10
You're taking Computer Game Development and you're leaning towards the Combat Arms? Not to knock down the pointy end, but they're pretty full and the CF has some technical trades that could use your civilian education.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: NDC on September 13, 2010, 16:38:46
When is the next "season" when trades open up? April?

(looking specifically at RM Clk)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: readytogo on September 13, 2010, 16:42:52
    All trades will open and close at the drop of a hat.  Keep up on your PT and improve your education to make yourself more competitive.  Call your recruiter once a month if your desired trade is closed now and check in for an update.  Fiscal year is apr 2011 and as i understand the process numbers will be re evaluated at that time.  Let it be known that i am not a recruiter and CFRC will give you the answers you need (whether they are the answers you wanna hear or not)  asked and answered countless times elsewhere on the board

RTG :cdn:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PuckChaser on September 13, 2010, 17:45:36
When is the next "season" when trades open up? April?

(looking specifically at RM Clk)

Trades open and close for a number of reasons, the two main ones being a saturated training system, or full quota for that fiscal year. If the training system is full, the trade could open randomly once people finish their courses. If the quota is full, 1 Apr is the start of the fiscal year and a new number of positions open.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ironman2002 on September 13, 2010, 21:52:38
yes i know all about it .happend to me 3 time in 1year :cdn:
Title: Military budget and hiring in April
Post by: Redcoat on September 21, 2010, 22:43:59
Hello everyone, i'm new to this forum. I'm glad I can be apart of a community like this to get information I need. Anyways I was planning on going the CF in August 2010 as a Med Tech. but there are no positions available. So now they are saying they aren't hiring until late March early April. I'm wondering what are my best chances of getting in, because this is my last resort and iv'e been waiting a very long time for this. I went to my recruiter and he said they are only hiring 3000 this year. Please get back to me, give me advice or anything. I appreciate all feeback. Thank-you.
 
Title: Re: Military budget and hiring in April
Post by: PuckChaser on September 21, 2010, 22:57:45
The Forces are getting full. No one has a magic crystal ball yet to know what positions will be hired for come 1 Apr 11. In the mean time, read the forums here, research your other 2 choices and take some classes at the community college to be more competitive in your first choice trade.
Title: Re: Military budget and hiring in April
Post by: aesop081 on September 21, 2010, 22:58:31
what positions will be hired for come 1 Apr 11.

If any......
Title: Re: Military budget and hiring in April
Post by: Redcoat on September 21, 2010, 23:03:50
Question would this "3000" only be for the army?
Title: Re: Military budget and hiring in April
Post by: aesop081 on September 21, 2010, 23:08:02
Question would this "3000" only be for the army?

The actual number or who its for is rather irrelevant at this point i would think.
Title: Re: Military budget and hiring in April
Post by: Redcoat on September 21, 2010, 23:12:31
So your saying I have no chance at this or what? Honestly whats your opinion for me. I'm working full time as a telemarketer ... lol I know. But should I be putting all my eggs in one basket here for the Army or what?
Title: Re: Military budget and hiring in April
Post by: aesop081 on September 21, 2010, 23:19:39
So your saying I have no chance at this or what?

I never said that. All i said is that there is no guarantee that any trades will be hiring come April. its not some sort of magical date where everything suddenly gets better. I also said that wether the military hires 3000 for the army or 3000 for the navy, army and air force is irrelevant. The trade you want is currently closed, as stated in your original post if i'm not mistaken and no ammount of UFI is going to change that.

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Honestly whats your opinion for me.

I have none. I have barely read your post to be honest.


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But should I be putting all my eggs in one basket here for the Army or what?

You should always have a backup plan.
Title: Re: Military budget and hiring in April
Post by: greentoblue on September 21, 2010, 23:24:50
So your saying I have no chance at this or what? Honestly whats your opinion for me. I'm working full time as a telemarketer ... lol I know. But should I be putting all my eggs in one basket here for the Army or what?

I don't see anyone saying that you have no chance.  What matters is if you get in or not.  Right now reg force recruiting is going great because of our higher visibility, the benefits and employment stability we offer and fewer than expected releases/retirements.  All this makes it harder to get in but not impossible.  The best way to find out how to make your application more attractive is talk to the recruiters at the CFRC.  Ask them what they are looking for.  And be ready to max out on the tests when you finally get an appointment to take them.  Additionally you could join the reserves and undertake military training through that system to make your application more attractive.  After all no military career counsellor can deny you have military aptitude if you successfully pass all your training.
Title: Re: Military budget and hiring in April
Post by: PuckChaser on September 22, 2010, 00:06:54
If any......

Very true. I have a feeling only select red trades will open, and if the training system is as flooded as it appears, even those will be limited numbers.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: acooper on September 22, 2010, 10:32:29
PuckChaser - do you know if GeoTech would be considered a Red Trade? I'm almost certain that that trade will open up again in April, for starting course in August, based on what my husband has told me (he started the course this August) about the numbers of people on course, and the number of openings he knows of in the trade. I know retention is a problem in the trade (since you can get a 80k/year job in the "real world" after completing the QL5a course), but I haven't specifically heard of people not being allowed to release or OT out.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on September 22, 2010, 11:23:50
the numbers of people on course, and the number of openings he knows of in the trade.

There are other factors involved. Taking an overly simplistic view of how things work is not helpful.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: acooper on September 22, 2010, 18:50:55
CDN Aviator - I'm trying to understand the factors involved. I haven't seen a list anywhere of Red Trades, and I'm trying to understand if GeoTech would be considered one. Please note that I try very hard to use terms like "almost certain". I am very well aware that I could be wrong (in fact, with Army type stuff quite probably WILL be wrong). But also, you haven't been present for all the talks with my husband about his trade and what he's heard and been told by superiors.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on September 22, 2010, 19:23:09
But also, you haven't been present for all the talks with my husband about his trade and what he's heard and been told by superiors.

Neither were you.

I will give you an example. My trade is established at around 200 and is short around 25 ( rough numbers). Its more complicated than just going out and finding 25 people. How many people can we realisticly train at the basic level ? How many people will we be able to put on the required follow-on training ? how much money is available to train graduates ? how much money is available to post graduates after training ? How many unforcasted releases might there be this year ?

I wasnt there for those conversations you mentioned but i have been around them for my current trade and some for my last one so i'm not taking a shot in the dark here.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PuckChaser on September 22, 2010, 19:55:45
I know retention is a problem in the trade (since you can get a 80k/year job in the "real world" after completing the QL5a course), but I haven't specifically heard of people not being allowed to release or OT out.

They can't stop you from releasing, however they can limit OTs.

I don't have any SA on the GeoTech trade, its status and recruiting numbers for next fiscal year are in the murky cloud that is NDHQ.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on September 22, 2010, 19:57:13
the murky cloud that is NDHQ.

"Murky" would imply some clarity exists , no ?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: acooper on September 22, 2010, 19:58:13
Ok, I understand the other factors that you are talking about. Of course, I'm not deciding what trades open and for how many. But based on what you've said, and what has been relayed to me by my husband, I would guess that GeoTech will again be open come April. I'm still not clear on whether or not it's considered a red trade, and of course, not all of the openings may be available for Joe Smith coming off the street. My husband and one other fellow I know CT'd into the trade. There were some folks right off of BMQ onto this year's course, but I know that says nothing for SURE for next year.

Is there a list published somewhere about what the Red Trades are? Or is that something Career Managers and Recruiters only would know?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: trigger on September 22, 2010, 20:49:19
HTTP://HR.OTTAWA-HULL.MIL.CA/DGMC/DOCS/PROGRAMS/ISS/OT_OUTCAP_FY1112_B.XLS

it's red alright.  this matrix is found on the din only.  your husband will have to check this link at work.

God only knows what will happen in any trade come April
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: kincanucks on September 23, 2010, 14:08:58
They can't stop you from releasing Has something changed in the regulations?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: stealthylizard on September 23, 2010, 21:00:30
As we were told today as an o-group point, those that are still on their initial engagement (at least in 3VP) will not have their voluntary releases even considered, no exceptions.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: davidsonr_91 on September 25, 2010, 17:19:49
Bunch of people who are part of pat with me are either doing a VR or an OT but with the OT it's confusing why they are allowed to get the OT cause armoured is a red trade to get out of so why would they have been able to ot?  It's a VOT not a COT.  I am asking cause I would like to do an VOT but I am met with heavy resistance when i ask to do one cause the staff dont' want to lose anyone but I don't feel the trade I chose might be right for me plus i have issues with my achilles so i don't want to injure it any more then it is already.  Anything anyone can suggest to me.

thanks
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: CallOfDuty on September 25, 2010, 18:03:42
  I can't help but wonder if all the people that are trying to get into the combat arms so much are reading this and perhaps changing their minds??  Seems to me a lot of people in the army are sure trying to get out of it!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: HavocSteve on September 25, 2010, 18:50:48
Meanwhile...

The ones that want out, I so badly want in!!! Nothing worse then reading that people are in and just don't want to do it anymore, while I'm struggling to get the Sgt. sign off on my paperwork. Angers me sometimes. Oh well, new job is whipping my butt into shape! Not to mention I'm loving my move to Ottawa.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: OkanaganHeat on September 30, 2010, 12:39:21
Not only are most trades closed at this time, a large number are now being held as well. Closed meaning that it will not accept new applications and held meaning that no further processing will be completed.

I have been working hard with my application to get into the forces and finally had my air crew status given only to have my trade held and my interview, the last portion of my application, postponed until some later date. Persistence will pay off as you  have to ensure that you keep on top of your file.

This has been quite the whirlwind for me as I had initially failed my entrance medical  in April  but with hard work and dedication was able to pass it by losing 60 pounds with diet and exercise. To now to have air crew has made me proud of the accomplishment only to have to wait yet again.

To everyone that is waiting, keep trying, there will be openings in the future since attrition does continue to happen but not at the expected rates. This means you will have to work on your application to stand out even more as the competition for the positions will be more intense. Good luck and continue the fight.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Shea on October 01, 2010, 00:51:53
So, at the risk of sounding dumb here....

     I have read through this topic and see that a ton of trades are closed at this time but... Would there be any use in mailing in/dropping off applications at this point and time? Or is it a better plan to mail/drop off applications in the new year? And if they are not accepting applications at the recruiting centers, would there be any use in mailing them in? Just a thought.  :)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: EastVan on October 01, 2010, 01:09:32
Would it be wise to join the reserve until infantry or armoured trades open?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: EpicBeardedMan on October 01, 2010, 01:32:21
Would it be wise to join the reserve until infantry or armoured trades open?

By the time your process is done and you get in, you'll have wished that you waited for Reg Force, from what I've read on these forums it's extremely hard to transfer to RegF from Res.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Jarnhamar on October 01, 2010, 13:55:19
Everything is frozen until April 2011.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: C.G.R on October 01, 2010, 17:51:43
I don't know if this has been posted or not, but here is a link for reserve employment opportunities.

http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/reo-oer/index.aspx

Edit--- This is for members who are currently serving
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: codboymt on October 01, 2010, 23:06:30
So, at the risk of sounding dumb here....

     I have read through this topic and see that a ton of trades are closed at this time but... Would there be any use in mailing in/dropping off applications at this point and time? Or is it a better plan to mail/drop off applications in the new year? And if they are not accepting applications at the recruiting centers, would there be any use in mailing them in? Just a thought.  :)

Do yourself a favour and get your application in, by all means.  I waited until the beginning of the new fiscal year on the advice of a friend who joined last year.  Had I submitted my application earlier, I would probably not be where I am now, waiting for the NEXT fiscal year in hopes that positions may open again in the trade I have applied to.
From what I have experienced, applications are processed on a first come/first serve basis.  My application, which had been submitted at the beginning of April wasn't even looked at until a month and a half later, as CFRC were processing applications handed in months prior to my own.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Shea on October 01, 2010, 23:48:19
Thank you for the response. Will do for sure.  ;D
I know all to well the waiting game I am in for. And am getting in the best shape I can in the time being. Patience and perserverance is what I keep telling myself. With all that I have read here it can be quick or it could be a couple of years wait for me. No worries.  :camo: Thanks to all for the good info on here, very helpful.  :salute:  :cdn:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: mwc on October 02, 2010, 09:13:36
Definitely try to get your application in there. I put mine in July 5, and on September 6 it still hadn't been put in the system. Im glad they took the papers, and still hoping that i get a call sometime in the spring so i can get right into it after i'm done college.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: HavocSteve on October 02, 2010, 10:03:27
My parents received a letter in the mail from CFRC Oshawa. I moved to Ottawa a couple weeks ago and haven't bothered getting in touch with the CFRC Ottawa since I work Monday-Friday days (During CFRC Ottawa recruiting office hours). The letter stated that if I didn't get in contact with them within 30 days, my application would be thrown out. I kinda left things alone since I've been through 2 CFAT's, 2 Medicals and 2 Interviews, only to end up with them saying the same thing over again, that my personal debt is holding me back. I find it strange to receive such a letter considering nothing is going through the system and everything is frozen at this moment. I will be in contact with the CFRC Ottawa on Monday to get my file transferred from Oshawa to Ottawa and to let them know I'm still highly interested in becoming a CF member. Just wondering if anyone else has received such a letter from the CF.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Celticgirl on October 03, 2010, 19:15:49
By the time your process is done and you get in, you'll have wished that you waited for Reg Force, from what I've read on these forums it's extremely hard to transfer to RegF from Res.

With the current cutbacks, it's pretty much an impossibility to CT from Res to Reg (from what I have been told by someone in the know) until the next fiscal year.

With that said, there are advantages to joining the Reserves now rather than remaining a civvy until your trade opens up on the Reg F side. For one, it is all 'pensionable time'...after two years in the Reserves, you can buy back your pension time from those years and contribute from that point onward. Another is that all of your service, whether Reg or Res, will be counted towards your Canada Decoration (not to mention your promotions) . After all, twelve years of service is twelve years of service, whether you are a Class A, B, or C reservist or a Reg F member. Yet another plus is getting your basic training over with and some of your trades qualifications completed while you 'wait'. This is especially true for us Air Force types (and maybe Navy? not sure...) because we do all Reg F training. Ergo, a CT to Reg - when everything is NOT frozen, like it is now - would theoretically be smooth and quick. I've just seen two of our clerks go through the process (prior to the freeze announcement) and it was easy peasy for them.

However, you have to weigh the pros and cons and make the best decision for yourself. The above is just a bit of info for consideration. Ultimately, if you trust your gut, you can never be wrong. :)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: 4Feathers on October 03, 2010, 19:53:43
Although it is a small detail, CFRG has no "freeze"  in place.  The official PA line is that is a "temporary hold" , which is like the teenager calling his "party", a "get together".  That being said, for those who want to get jump on the Ref Force processing for next fy, I would suggest going in to the RC before mid-Dec. This may not be true for all RC's, but some some it is likely the case, and the worse thing that could happen would be for them to tell you to come back in Jan. Best of luck to you all in your process.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: xKraven on October 06, 2010, 21:28:13
I received a message from an online recruiter stating that I should either apply online where my eApp will be held and remain active or go in person to my local CFRC where they'll collect some basic contact information and hold it until they start hiring.  I already started an eApplication back in April just before my trades of choice were closed.  So I just left it at that and obviously it's past the 60 day mark where my file could stay active.  My question is: do I redo an eApp or would it be better if I went in person with the documents that I needed to print off last time so they can hold it?  I'm a tad bit confused with what to do and don't really want to walk into the recruiters office and look like an idiot haha.  I really don't want to miss an opening for another year as this is already the second time, so I want to make sure I do things right.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Alea on October 08, 2010, 20:31:46
My question is: do I redo an eApp or would it be better if I went in person with the documents that I needed to print off last time so they can hold it?  I'm a tad bit confused with what to do and don't really want to walk into the recruiters office and look like an idiot haha.  I really don't want to miss an opening for another year as this is already the second time, so I want to make sure I do things right.

Hollymarie...

Go in person! Bring all your papers with you along with a list of all the questions you'll have. You'll meet a recruiter and it is always best (to my opinion) to do things in person rather than through internet.

Alea

P.S.: HOW and WHY would you look "like an idiot" just because you're going to apply to the CF?? Don't worry about that ;)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: davidsonr_91 on October 11, 2010, 08:18:46
Anyone have the current updated list of trades available for ot/remuster?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: TheNoob on October 12, 2010, 08:11:12
I applied in Mid March and did the apt test, medical and interview in May (Armoured Soldier). I haven't called to get an update on my file yet but I'm going tomorrow to my recruitment center to get an update on trades opening in April and a couple of question about lasik eye surgery that I might be getting.

I'll post any info I get tomorrow regarding trades being opened/closed.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: xKraven on October 22, 2010, 19:23:37
thanks so much Alea! I'll definetly go in person.  I felt like I'd look like an idiot since I've like emailed several recruiters 100+ times lol probaly gets a bit annoying.

When I do go to hand mine in (within the next few weeks) will I be contacted and just proceed with the application process (interview, CFAT, medical etc) when the jobs open in April? or will they have me do the process before april? not sure how it works since the trade's closed.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Of Unknown Caliber on October 22, 2010, 20:11:59
When I do go to hand mine in (within the next few weeks) will I be contacted and just proceed with the application process (interview, CFAT, medical etc) when the jobs open in April? or will they have me do the process before april? not sure how it works since the trade's closed.

I applied online last year for Primary Reserves, you still had to hand in some papers in after your initial online papers. After that you print out some other forms get them signed then go to the CFRC hand in the physical forms/papers and related ID, and then they'll assign you a service number (sticks with you for your whole career and used to ID you when you contact them or they contact you)  and your file is established. shortly after they take you to the back and another recruiting clerk processes you for dates for you CFAT, Interview Etc. (most of the time they call you after the initial dates since changes do often occur like mine, rescheduled a week early.) Unfortunately for me my process stopped after the CFAT which was around Dec 09' when they had the hiring freeze or w.e. people prefer to call it. So they'll process you as efficiently as they can like when theres space available or whatever/whenever seems fit to their quotas/capacity/policies/etc

-Just my experience, might be different for every CFRC.

Good luck, the waits long.

stay frosty.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Mudshuvel on November 06, 2010, 13:51:55
Word of advise, contact your local CFRC to make sure that they are accepting applications at this time. A lot of recruitment centres are only accepting personnel to do the CFAT, but not the actual application process. Most Recruitment Centres are opening their doors to applications in the week of January 4th, 2011.

Make sure to bring:
- Application
- Birth Certificate
- Photo ID
- Marriage License (if applicable)
- Spouse's Birth Certificate (if applicable)
- Dependent's Birth Certificate(s) (if applicable)

You will/may only need your Social Insurance Card upon enrollment so just to hand in your application it is not needed, but bringing it in advance may not hurt.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: mainse-event on November 06, 2010, 19:47:32
Word of advise, contact your local CFRC to make sure that they are accepting applications at this time. A lot of recruitment centres are only accepting personnel to do the CFAT, but not the actual application process. Most Recruitment Centres are opening their doors to applications in the week of January 4th, 2011.

Make sure to bring:
- Application
- Birth Certificate
- Photo ID
- Marriage License (if applicable)
- Spouse's Birth Certificate (if applicable)
- Dependent's Birth Certificate(s) (if applicable)

You will/may only need your Social Insurance Card upon enrollment so just to hand in your application it is not needed, but bringing it in advance may not hurt.

Not sure what he's going in for but I just saw this and wanted to add that they ask for your high school transcript when you apply for the army.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: OntarioGuy on November 07, 2010, 02:29:24
Word of advise, contact your local CFRC to make sure that they are accepting applications at this time. A lot of recruitment centres are only accepting personnel to do the CFAT, but not the actual application process. Most Recruitment Centres are opening their doors to applications in the week of January 4th, 2011.

Make sure to bring:
- Application
- Birth Certificate
- Photo ID
- Marriage License (if applicable)
- Spouse's Birth Certificate (if applicable)
- Dependent's Birth Certificate(s) (if applicable)

You will/may only need your Social Insurance Card upon enrollment so just to hand in your application it is not needed, but bringing it in advance may not hurt.

My local CFRC said that they couldn't continue with my application process (meaning the CFAT) without having a trade that's open on my application. Is there a way for me to do the CFAT and bypass the open trade on my application, or are only some recruiting centres doing that?

Final question: What happens on January 4th, 2011? Is there a reason for them opening up applications at that time, or is it just in preparation for the new fiscal year?

And to the above poster, yes they will take your high school transcript and photo copy it when you go in the the recruiting centre and apply.

~Dan
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Final on November 07, 2010, 07:57:02
My local CFRC said that they couldn't continue with my application process (meaning the CFAT) without having a trade that's open on my application. Is there a way for me to do the CFAT and bypass the open trade on my application, or are only some recruiting centres doing that?

Final question: What happens on January 4th, 2011? Is there a reason for them opening up applications at that time, or is it just in preparation for the new fiscal year?

And to the above poster, yes they will take your high school transcript and photo copy it when you go in the the recruiting centre and apply.

~Dan
If I recall right, The fiscal year starts in April.  Not to sure whats with this January date, but you should independently research facts that will help you in your career.  Saying this, I can only presume that this January date is a random date to which they will allow recruits to start applying in hopes of being merit listed or at least starting their file, Don't hold me to this.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Mudshuvel on November 07, 2010, 14:26:40
Forgot about the transcripts...

The recruiter stated on average it takes three months or more for someones interview to be done, reliability checks, and medical to be cleared. January is when they'll start accepting apps so then by the time the trades are in, you are ready or should be close to.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: b7197 on November 07, 2010, 14:59:48
Do I need to bring in all my Dependent's Birth Certificates?
I have not marriage certificate. My wife and I are naturalized Canadians. Our original country doen't issue marriage certificate.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: mwc on November 07, 2010, 15:46:11
I put in all my papers July 5, but they said they couldn't do any processing until the tades open up. Im guessing that my file will be in some sort of "line" and will have some sort of seniority over those who have applied at a later time, even though we will be at the same step of processing? (putting aside who has done better in testing/interview/medical)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: LoKe on November 07, 2010, 16:44:14
You'll be merit listed and be in a priority line of sorts when they find out how many positions are available once April rolls around.

As far as waiting until Jan 4, if I'm not mistaken, it sounds like they're trying to make sure there's no work to do until after Christmas block leave, because as far as the military is concerned, 31 March is the fiscal year end and any date prior to that is relatively meaningless.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on November 07, 2010, 17:07:45
because as far as the military is concerned, April is the fiscal year end

Even in the Military, the fiscal year end March 31st.

Just so people dont get surprised, April 1st is not some magical date where the military gets to hit the resert button and recruiting for all trades opens up once again. Some trades may not open up at all in the new FY.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: LoKe on November 07, 2010, 17:12:05
Oops, I mashed two things together.  The fiscal year end is, as mentioned, 31 March.  The new fiscal year starts 1 April.  I'll correct that for clarity.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on November 07, 2010, 17:41:30
Do I need to bring in all my Dependent's Birth Certificates?
I have not marriage certificate. My wife and I are naturalized Canadians. Our original country doen't issue marriage certificate.

There must be some documentation that you are married.

In your case, you will also be wise to bring your Citizenship Certificate.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: OkanaganHeat on November 07, 2010, 19:50:17
Another reason that the recruiters are giving January as the time to bring in applications is that they will receive initial projections for trades at that time. They will also be given what trades can start having prep work completed so that when April rolls around the merit lists are set and they can fill the courses up with the backlog of applicants.

This means to applicants that they must be prepared to get their forms and documentation in as soon as they can once allowed to ensure that they are able to get their names onto the merit lists.

After a short chat  today with the Sergeant that initially took my application, it looks like next year will be rather slim for enrollment. This may change with some of the new shifts in deployments that are being talked about but no one will be sure until April. It was also mentioned that the focus is trending towards tech trades, the navy and Military Police. I did find it interesting that the CFRC did not have a presence at the career fair that I attended and the Sergeant was only in the recruiting role for the local PRes unit.

edited to add trades that should be in demand.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Final on November 07, 2010, 20:30:33
Not sure if this question suites the topic, but..When spots open up, is it set by number (AKA You may recruit 1500 recruits this year) or is it set by location (AKA you may recruit 50 recruits in Vancouver, 37 in Toronto, etc etc), or is there another method?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on November 07, 2010, 20:33:00
Not sure if this question suites the topic, but..When spots open up, is it set by number (AKA You may recruit 1500 recruits this year) or is it set by location (AKA you may recruit 50 recruits in Vancouver, 37 in Toronto, etc etc), or is there another method?

None of the Above.

It is set by the amount of openings in each of the Trades. 
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: sky777 on November 07, 2010, 21:03:45
My local CFRC said that they couldn't continue with my application process (meaning the CFAT) without having a trade that's open on my application. Is there a way for me to do the CFAT and bypass the open trade on my application, or are only some recruiting centres doing that?
My local CFRC decided to close files because trade are closed .
Mine was closed after 14 months and even after getting Security Clearance.I asked about not closing file and put in waiting list.They told me that they don't do it.  They offer to apply again if I want.
I am really disappointed if to say honestly.It looks like I am only so "lucky"- after 14 months to get closed file..I don't understand why they can not keep my file because Canadian Forces already spent money for my file- opening,working with it ,fingerprints issue, security check, interview with  CSIS  agent.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Final on November 08, 2010, 01:36:11
None of the Above.

It is set by the amount of openings in each of the Trades.
What I meant was like, Would recruitment be around spots per city (By that I mean per trade as well) or spots per trade in all of Canada?

Do I even make any sense? haha
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: LoKe on November 08, 2010, 01:50:02
Recruiting would aim towards positions that need to be filled CF wide.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Al Yeganeh on November 12, 2010, 00:40:16
Anyone know if army logistics is in demand?  I originally wanted INT but I couldn't even find it on the drop-down menu on my online application.  :brickwall:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: JB 11 11 on November 12, 2010, 04:43:23
Thats because INT hires from within and not off the street. 2 year minimum in the regs (3 years reserve?) to eligible I believe...for NCM anyway. Not sure about their Officer intake for that trade.

You know ...a quick call to your closest recruiting center would tell you whats in demand and open... justa thought :nod:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Dukereuchre on November 15, 2010, 00:10:45
I have read on here that April first isn't a magical date that every job opens up, only a few may open ext, ext. I also understand that there is almost no way to tell what is opening. I applied for infantry and my recruiter told me i would have to re due my forums because some are only good for 6 months. As soon as the new year starts i plan on bringing in my forums again. Will i have to redo every forum or just certain ones?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on November 15, 2010, 00:18:25
I have read on here that April first isn't a magical date that every job opens up, only a few may open ext, ext. I also understand that there is almost no way to tell what is opening. I applied for infantry and my recruiter told me i would have to re due my forums because some are only good for 6 months. As soon as the new year starts i plan on bringing in my forums again. Will i have to redo every forum or just certain ones?

I don't know about having to redo any forums but you may indeed have to redo forms.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: EpicBeardedMan on November 15, 2010, 01:34:50
I hate redoing forums.  :'(
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Occam on November 16, 2010, 09:29:06
New CANFORGEN out on recruiting.  I'll highlight what I think are the important points.



R 091503Z NOV 10
FM NDHQ CMP OTTAWA
TO CANFORGEN
BT
UNCLAS CANFORGEN 225/10 CMP 099/10
SIC WAV
SUBJ: UPDATE ON FORCE EXPANSION AND RECRUITING
BILINGUAL MESSAGE / MESSAGE BILINGUE
REFS: A. CANFORGEN 072/09 CDS 012/09 221848Z APR 09
B. CF MIL PERS INSTRUCTION 03/08
1. EARLY RECRUITING SUCCESS AND AN UNFORECAST DROP IN ATTRITION HAVE
RESULTED IN A REGULAR FORCE STRENGTH OF 69,000. THIS MESSAGE RECAPS
MEASURES BEING IMPLEMENTED TO BRING REGULAR FORCE STRENGTH CLOSER TO
VCDS TARGET OF 68,000

2. IN MID-AUGUST, IN CONSULTATION WITH OCCUPATIONAL AUTHORITIES, A
HOLD WAS PLACED ON RECRUITING FOR OCCUPATIONS AT OR ABOVE PREFERRED
MANNING LEVEL AND ON OCCUPATIONS THAT HAD SUFFICIENT PERSONNEL IN
THE TRAINING PIPELINE TO MEET FORECAST TRAINING REQUIREMENTS. OFFERS
OF ENROLMENT PREVIOUSLY MADE TO CF APPLICANTS TO THESE OCCUPATIONS
WILL BE RESPECTED BUT THESE OCCUPATIONS ARE NOW CONSIDERED QUOTE
FULL UNQUOTE AND RECRUITING TARGETS HAVE BEEN ADJUSTED ACCORDINGLY.
NEW APPLICANTS FOR THESE OCCUPATIONS ARE BEING ADVISED TO RE-APPLY
IN JANUARY 2011 IN ANTICIPATION OF NEW INTAKE TARGETS FOR FISCAL
YEAR 2011/12
3. ALTHOUGH MOST OF THE REMAINING OCCUPATIONS HAVE ALREADY ACHIEVED
THEIR RECRUITING TARGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 10/11, CFRG CONTINUES TO
RECRUIT FOR PHARMACISTS AND SOCIAL WORKERS. MEANWHILE, COMPONENT
TRANSFERS AND RE-ENROLMENTS OF SKILLED PERSONNEL WILL CONTINUE TO BE
PROCESSED FOR DISTRESSED OCCUPATIONS. FOR OTHER OCCUPATIONS,
APPLICANTS FOR COMPONENT TRANSFER OR RE-ENROLMENT WILL BE GIVEN
PRIORITY CONSIDERATION IN THE NEW FISCAL YEAR. WHERE PRESSING
SERVICE REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS UNIQUE SKILL, RANK AND/OR EXPERIENCE
DEFICITS WARRANT, EXCEPTIONS FOR TRANSFER OR RE-ENROLMENT IN THIS
FISCAL YEAR WILL BE PROCESSED ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS
4. AS A FURTHER MEASURE TO REDUCE REGULAR FORCE STRENGTH, RELEASE
PROCEDURES FOR PERSONNEL ON BTL AWAITING DISPOSITION ARE BEING
STREAMLINED TO ENSURE THAT MEMBERS SEEKING OR BEING RELEASED FROM
THE CF ARE PROCESSED WITHOUT DELAY
5. DETAILS ON THESE AND OTHER MEASURES WILL BE PROMULGATED IN
FOLLOW-ON MESSAGES. MEANWHILE CMP WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH
OCCUPATIONAL AUTHORITIES TO ALIGN REGULAR FORCE STRENGTH WITH VCDS
ESTABLISHED TARGET
6. SIGNED BY RADM A. SMITH, CMP

edit: fix formatting
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: JB 11 11 on November 16, 2010, 17:07:56
Just saw this today when I got into work,..... Guess Im in for a wait :(
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: mwc on November 16, 2010, 19:54:29
Ya, looks like my hopes of atleast 2011 are gone. Maybe I will actually have to find a job related to my college education in the spring.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: MMSS on November 16, 2010, 20:48:59
Besides pharmacist and social worker, is there mention anywhere of other trades that might be open?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on November 16, 2010, 21:12:27
Besides pharmacist and social worker, is there mention anywhere of other trades that might be open?

Ah!  Come on.  The information is posted for you to read.  If it is not in the information published then it isn't open.   I am sure you can read.

As another member so often says:  "As Jesus wept."
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Occam on November 16, 2010, 21:14:22
Besides pharmacist and social worker, is there mention anywhere of other trades that might be open?

If there were, do you not think they would have said "pharmacist, social worker, and XXXXXXX"?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: MMSS on November 16, 2010, 22:03:38
If there were, do you not think they would have said "pharmacist, social worker, and XXXXXXX"?

I expect it would have. I suppose I have no one to blame but myself for that one.

Ah!  Come on.  The information is posted for you to read.  If it is not in the information published then it isn't open.   I am sure you can read.

As another member so often says:  "As Jesus wept."

I don't want to use the "I'm new here" excuse too often so I won't. Wrist slap accepted.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: melissabillie on November 16, 2010, 22:24:51
This might be a really dumb question. Just letting you know ahead of time.

But does that apply to the reserves too? I noticed it just said for the regular force and I'm hoping to apply for the reserves in April. :\
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: frank1515 on November 16, 2010, 22:30:20
I talked to a 2Lt who was a member of 30th Field Arty Regiment last week. He told me 33 CBG is in the" middle of a hiring freeze". So if you want to apply for any unit in 33 CBG, you're out of luck. Not sure about the other Brigades though.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PuckChaser on November 16, 2010, 22:59:24
But does that apply to the reserves too? I noticed it just said for the regular force and I'm hoping to apply for the reserves in April. :\

The reserves have different hiring targets and maximum numbers than the RegF. If you want summer employment, I'd apply for the reserve unit that peaks your interest before April. That's not a long time to process paperwork.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on November 16, 2010, 23:09:49
I expect it would have. I suppose I have no one to blame but myself for that one.

I don't want to use the "I'm new here" excuse too often so I won't. Wrist slap accepted.

Do you want to quote yourself here (http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,76543.0.html)?      >:D
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on November 16, 2010, 23:16:30
As each individual PRes unit does its own recruiting, it is difficult to say which ones are full and which ones are still hiring.  That means that there may be certain Trades in certain locales that are still hiring, while in other locations those Trades are not.  You will have to do your research by contacting the Reserve units in your location to find out if they are hiring or not.

Visit the topics on joining the Reserves to get a feel of what is involved in the Recruiting Process can be and how long it can take.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: MMSS on November 16, 2010, 23:34:50
Do you want to quote yourself here (http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,76543.0.html)?      >:D

I think I just got burnt. Ill just go back to lurking.  :salute:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: JB 11 11 on November 17, 2010, 03:22:11

4. AS A FURTHER MEASURE TO REDUCE REGULAR FORCE STRENGTH, RELEASE
PROCEDURES FOR PERSONNEL ON BTL AWAITING DISPOSITION ARE BEING
STREAMLINED TO ENSURE THAT MEMBERS SEEKING OR BEING RELEASED FROM
THE CF ARE PROCESSED WITHOUT DELAY


I knew this was coming, but not this soon! Just wondering if the section above holds any hope for employment within the next 6 months to a year? I missed the friggin' window on Sig op by a week.... so Im pretty floored about this.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Occam on November 17, 2010, 07:09:35
I knew this was coming, but not this soon! Just wondering if the section above holds any hope for employment within the next 6 months to a year? I missed the friggin' window on Sig op by a week.... so Im pretty floored about this.

I'm not sure what you're getting at, as that paragraph has to do with releases.  We're over our authorized strength, so releases are being expedited to get the numbers back to authorized levels.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PuckChaser on November 17, 2010, 08:10:34
I knew this was coming, but not this soon! Just wondering if the section above holds any hope for employment within the next 6 months to a year? I missed the friggin' window on Sig op by a week.... so Im pretty floored about this.

We'll be red for a while. Once the training system catches up, expect SigOp and some red Navy trades to open up. When that'll happen, no one knows.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: JB 11 11 on November 17, 2010, 11:50:22
I'm not sure what you're getting at, as that paragraph has to do with releases.  We're over our authorized strength, so releases are being expedited to get the numbers back to authorized levels.

Err... yeah, I know. Im hoping that there are enough releases to bring the numbers down below the 68 000 mark, ergo, recruiting will begin again. It's a long shot, I know, but not sure what else I can hope for in this case.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: MMSS on November 17, 2010, 20:13:39
We'll be red for a while. Once the training system catches up, expect SigOp and some red Navy trades to open up. When that'll happen, no one knows.

Is MARS generally above/below strength? Reading different posts here seems to indicate that there is a significant amount of attrition between BMOQ and MARS IV.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: JB 11 11 on November 18, 2010, 06:46:07
I can't answer your question directly, as I have no idea. But, I did have some interesting correspondence with my recruiter yesterday. Reading between the lines I come to two conclusions:
1. Nobody "really" knows whats going on. Too many factors, too soon, and every case is a bit different and is treated as such.
2. Because of this, "IF" your desired trade is "distressed" or whatever you want to call it, or has a attrition rate to warrant a recruitment push, than this CANFORGEN doesn't necessarily apply.


But again, that's what I took from the email I received, as did my wife, who is adapt at these sorts of things. In the end, the CF works, at least administratively, a lot like any other federal govt. organization: "Hiring freeze? Sure, but in dept. X, 25 % of the staff are retiring in the next six months... so we'll need to hire more people".

After some thought and discussion, I refuse to lose anymore sleep over this. I'll get in. Just a matter of when. :salute:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: MMSS on November 18, 2010, 06:54:16
Nobody "really" knows whats going on.

At least I'm not the only one ;)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: DanKnee on November 18, 2010, 17:50:35
http://www.forces.ca/en/jobexplorer/browsejobs-70

There is now trades " In Demand " again. I called and asked what was up - The CFRC said those trades WILL be opening in April and they are now accepting and processing applications for those trades.
That will be good news to some! SigOp is there too JB. Goodluck.

You made me a very happy person today. I will be calling my CFRC in the morning to verify that they are accepting applications for my desired trade. Thank you for the info.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Jaybar on November 18, 2010, 19:15:56
Called in today for an update on Infantry. Was told to call back in January for an update on my medical and all that fun stuff, the person also said that I probably won't hear anything until March which is to be expected.

Question for you guys on here. Doesn't Infantry have the highest attrition rate in the CF? I know everything is backed up but if it's loosing people faster then everything else shouldn't it open up fairly quickly (Just crossing my fingers it doesn't stay closed all the way through to 2012.)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: the the on November 18, 2010, 19:53:57
Question for you guys on here. Doesn't Infantry have the highest attrition rate in the CF? I know everything is backed up but if it's loosing people faster then everything else shouldn't it open up fairly quickly (Just crossing my fingers it doesn't stay closed all the way through to 2012.)

Petamocto answered this question very well with a metaphor;

Attrition rates are still quite high, it's just that our intake numbers are even higher.

It's healthy to have a bucket of water with a steady small hole leaking out of the bottom and a small stream pouring it at the top, but I would suggest that what we have in the last few years is a medium-to-large hole in the bottom but a firehose at the top trying to fill the bucket.

This results in water getting splashed everywhere such as a 300-man Warrior Company in Saint Jean filled with broken and fat people, the quality of one-on-one instruction being far below what it should be, and instructors running courses through the meat grinder one after the other to their personal detriment and that of the corps as well because nobody has time to perform SME tasks or update doctrine.

You may want to read further, http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,1811.0.html
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: sky777 on November 19, 2010, 23:40:53
 I got letter  this week:
Quote
Canadian Forces Recruiting Centre XXXXXX

Dear XXXXXXXXXX

Thank you for considering the Canadian Forces (CF) as an employer of choice. The CF is always interested in receiving applications from people like you who are determined to serve their country and are seeking challenging and rewarding employment opportunities.

We have reviewed your job application to assess your skills and competitiveness in relation to trades in which you have shown interest. Although this review has revealed that you may have the skills to join the CF and although you may have already completed certain steps in the recruitment process, the jobs that you have requested are currently unavailable until April 2011. As a result, we have no choice but to close your
file. We hope that you will consider one of the options listed below that may allow you to join the Canadian Forces in a timely manner, while still meeting your career aspirations:

a.   Consider making ajob application to work part time in the Reserve Force (Naval, Air Force, Army, l-Iealth Services or Communication). Many people have chosen this option and were able to join the Forces in the trade of their choice; or

b.   Re-apply to the Regular Force in February 2011, as we expect to have new opportunities to offer starting in April. As part of the recruitment process may already be completed due to your previous efforts, the processing of your request can be accelerated. We will ensure your renewed application is processed in a priority manner.

We encourage you to review these options mentioned above and if necessary, talk to a recruiter by calling I- tel/XXXXXXXXX. Once again, I thank you for your interest in the CF.

Sincerely,
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: jackel_99 on November 20, 2010, 00:42:01
Really? I applied 2 weeks ago and everything is fine ... I know nothing opens until April but thats fine with me, nothing is open till April anyways, I wouldn't worry about it.

What did you apply for ? ncm? officer?

I applied for DEO Armour
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: OntarioGuy on November 20, 2010, 02:02:33
For what it is worth: All of the "In Demand" jobs on the Forces website that suddenly popped up are the exact same ones that were up there a few months ago that were taken down. *speculation* It may just be an error on the technological side of things */speculation*

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Another Mom on November 20, 2010, 02:15:14
Very funny: I got a form letter inviting me to apply for a contract.     I guess my  "trade" is "open".
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: sky777 on November 21, 2010, 22:51:43
Maybe it depends on CFRC.
I don't know if some CFRC have right to close some files.Mine was closed after 14 months where almost 10 was Security Check.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Hfx on November 23, 2010, 10:08:25
http://www.forces.ca/en/jobexplorer/browsejobs-70

There is now trades " In Demand " again. I called and asked what was up - The CFRC said those trades WILL be opening in April and they are now accepting and processing applications for those trades.
That will be good news to some! SigOp is there too JB. Goodluck.

HOORAY!!!! Calling RC ASAP.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: alejo on November 24, 2010, 11:30:29
Trades are indeed open!!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Bplante on November 24, 2010, 11:34:35
Which one did you ask for ? And who did you ask ?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: bleedbruins on November 24, 2010, 12:33:59
Hello! been lurking for a while, decided to make an account, to gather as much info as possible.

I was in the military for 4 1/2 yrs reg force.  Had to get out 'VR' for personal reasons in March 2008.  I desperately want to get back in.  I know that 95% of the trades are closed.  I want to get back into the trade I was prior (cook) I'm QL5 qualified, and will rejoin as skilled.

Just wondering if anyone has any idea on when the trades will be open (anything earlier than April), or even such info on what trades will reopen.  I want to get back into the same trade that I was previously, But, at this point I will take any trade to get back in.

Any information will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Michael O'Leary on November 24, 2010, 12:42:40
Any information will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!

Go talk to a Recruiter. As a skilled applicant looking to join a particular trade you may have opportunities that are not available to unskilled applicants.  Only the Recruiters will be able to determine if you fit specific vacancy requirements.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: bleedbruins on November 24, 2010, 12:54:39
Go talk to a Recruiter. As a skilled applicant looking to join a particular trade you may have opportunities that are not available to unskilled applicants.  Only the Recruiters will be able to determine if you fit specific vacancy requirements.

Yea I've been told by the recruiters that even as a skilled applicant, I can't even drop off an application package, they won't even accept it.  Wanted to know if anyone has heard any word about what trades may reopen, maybe what to expect come next yr.  Or if it will be another year wait...
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: DanKnee on November 24, 2010, 12:59:44
Trades are indeed open!!

Which recruiting centre did you talk to and what trades did you enquire about?

I called two local recruiting centres and talked to an online recruiter. All gave me the same answer; they are only accepting applications for pharmacist, social worker and a couple Navy trades. They said to try back in the future.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on November 24, 2010, 13:16:54
Yea I've been told by the recruiters that even as a skilled applicant, I can't even drop off an application package, they won't even accept it.  Wanted to know if anyone has heard any word about what trades may reopen, maybe what to expect come next yr.  Or if it will be another year wait...

Well......That is what the thirty-six (36) pages of this topic are all about.  Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: cheeky_monkey on November 24, 2010, 13:27:38
Is MARS generally above/below strength? Reading different posts here seems to indicate that there is a significant amount of attrition between BMOQ and MARS IV.

AFAIK, MARS is a bleeding-red trade.

There's lots of of NCdts at RMC who, when enrolled, were told MARS was an 'easier' way into RMC, and are now stuck in MARS due to it being red flagged. (Sure, it's anecdotal evidence, but it is what it is.)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Occam on November 24, 2010, 14:37:24
I called two local recruiting centres and talked to an online recruiter. All gave me the same answer; they are only accepting applications for pharmacist, social worker and a couple Navy trades. They said to try back in the future.

The latest out of Borden indicates exactly what is stated above.

Yea I've been told by the recruiters that even as a skilled applicant, I can't even drop off an application package, they won't even accept it.  Wanted to know if anyone has heard any word about what trades may reopen, maybe what to expect come next yr.  Or if it will be another year wait...

The cook trade is not distressed, therefore no applications being processed (skilled or unskilled) until April at the earliest.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: MMSS on November 24, 2010, 15:06:22
AFAIK, MARS is a bleeding-red trade.

There's lots of of NCdts at RMC who, when enrolled, were told MARS was an 'easier' way into RMC, and are now stuck in MARS due to it being red flagged. (Sure, it's anecdotal evidence, but it is what it is.)

Well that would seem to bode well for an applicant. I do recall when I applied the first time ~5 years ago for Sig Op I was going to put MARS as my third choice and was advised by the recruiting Captain that if I did so, that is what I would get offered due to openings.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: alejo on November 25, 2010, 11:58:10
Which recruiting centre did you talk to and what trades did you enquire about?

I called two local recruiting centres and talked to an online recruiter. All gave me the same answer; they are only accepting applications for pharmacist, social worker and a couple Navy trades. They said to try back in the future.

Well the Navy Engineerings are both open as well as MARS. I know because I my trade is NCSE and I was selected for the NOAB. However, they are not making me travel to BC this time, but rather it seems that I am having a phone interview instead. I really wanted to go to Esquimalt, but I guess it will be postponed untill I get accepted.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: MMSS on November 25, 2010, 12:02:28
Well the Navy Engineerings are both open as well as MARS. I know because I my trade is NCSE and I was selected for the NOAB. However, they are not making me travel to BC this time, but rather it seems that I am having a phone interview instead. I really wanted to go to Esquimalt, but I guess it will be postponed untill I get accepted.

I'm curious, do you have an engineering background? I was considering NCSE as a second choice however my education is in computer science as opposed to engineering.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: alejo on November 25, 2010, 12:25:49
I'm curious, do you have an engineering background? I was considering NCSE as a second choice however my education is in computer science as opposed to engineering.

I have a bachelor of science in Math. They told me that Math, Computer Science, and Physics were considered for NCSE or MSE. So if you like the trade, you should apply since it is a high demand trade.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Occam on November 25, 2010, 12:32:40
Well the Navy Engineerings are both open as well as MARS. I know because I my trade is NCSE and I was selected for the NOAB. However, they are not making me travel to BC this time, but rather it seems that I am having a phone interview instead. I really wanted to go to Esquimalt, but I guess it will be postponed untill I get accepted.

I would caution you about making statements about what is open and what is not.  Just because there is movement on your processing does not mean that the occupation is currently open.  MARS, MS ENG and NCS ENG are not currently open.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: MMSS on November 25, 2010, 12:43:11
I would caution you about making statements about what is open and what is not.  Just because there is movement on your processing does not mean that the occupation is currently open.  MARS, MS ENG and NCS ENG are not currently open.

He might have meant that they are currently all listed as "in demand" which means (correct me if I am wrong) that positions *could/should be* available in April.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Occam on November 25, 2010, 12:59:54
He might have meant that they are currently all listed as "in demand" which means (correct me if I am wrong) that positions *could/should be* available in April.

Does anyone see a disconnect between what is happening in real time, and what is happening on the website?  If I were a betting man (and I am), I would bet that there is a significant lag in updating the website to reflect current need.  The website does not currently match what the recruiters are doing.

The reality is that the only people that the recruiters are doing any intensive work on are Pharmacists and Social Workers.  Everything else is essentially dead in the water, pending new intake numbers for the new fiscal year.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: alejo on November 25, 2010, 13:03:07
Well NCSE and MSE are surely open as of right now. So people in the process should have been called if they met the requirements, and those looking for a trade will have greater chances if they apply for those trades. I'm just sharing what I know, sorry about the confusion.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Occam on November 25, 2010, 13:40:34
Well NCSE and MSE are surely open as of right now. So people in the process should have been called if they met the requirements, and those looking for a trade will have greater chances if they apply for those trades. I'm just sharing what I know, sorry about the confusion.

I don't think you realize how little you know about the process.  When an occupation is open, offers of employment can be sent out.  Right now, the only occupations that are open are Pharmacist and Social Worker.  Limited processing may be going on in your case, but the occupation is far from open.

From a chat 15 minutes ago with one of the online recruiters:

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The CF has had an outstanding year so far in terms of recruiting and we have met our objectives in most full-time occupations; our year runs from April 1st to March 31st. We are still hiring for part-time jobs in the Reserve Forces and are actively seeking applications for the Regular Officer Training Program which is a fully paid for university degree for the 2011/2012 school year.

We are also accepting applications for Social Workers and Pharmacists.

All other applications will be for employment opportunities starting no earlier than April 1, 2011.

We intend to commence the processing of applications for the following occupations as early as January 2011 for intended employment offers in early spring of 2011:

• Aerospace Control Operator

• Naval Electronics Technician (sonar)

• Naval Electronics Technician (communications)

• Naval Electronics Technician (radar)

• Signal Operator

• Land Communications and Information Systems Technician

• Maritime Surface and Sub-Surface Officer

• Naval Weapons Technician

• Sonar Operator

• Nursing Officer

• Naval Combat Systems Engineer (Officer)

• Electronic-Optronic Technician (land)

• Marine Engineering Mechanic

• Marine Systems Engineering (Officer)

• Engineer (Officer)

• Construction Engineering (Officer)

Applications submitted between now and March 31, 2011 for jobs other than those listed above will be processed no earlier than April 1, 2011.


That info also happens to jibe with the Priority Occupation List from the internal CFRG website that I have open in another window, which I won't be discussing with anyone.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: MMSS on November 25, 2010, 15:04:08
that list matches the "in demand" trades on the site so I would say we have our answer.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PuckChaser on November 25, 2010, 15:48:54
Signal Operator and LCIS tech won't exist as trades on 1 Jan 11....

Maybe someone from the Jimmy branch should let recruiting know that the trades are amalgamating.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Occam on November 25, 2010, 15:52:04
I realize what you're saying, but "In Demand" is not a particularly apt name for the state those occupations are in at the present time. 

"Accepting applications which will sit on our desk until January" probably wouldn't be well received by the public, but would be more accurate.   ;D
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: alejo on November 25, 2010, 17:17:22
Again I apologize for the confusion, but I am not pretending to know everything or misinform anybody. I was just sharing what was sent to me through the RC. All I know is that there were positions open for MSE and NCSE as I mentioned before, and that those waiting on either of them should have received a call recently.

As for the other trades, well Occam has pretty much said it all I believe.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Dlew on November 29, 2010, 17:05:28
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and are actively seeking applications for the Regular Officer Training Program which is a fully paid for university degree for the 2011/2012 school year.


Would the officer training program be for combat roles? And if you could give me a link to the article would appreciate it.

Thanks
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: JB 11 11 on December 05, 2010, 06:04:48
I talked with my recruiter on the phone on Friday. I was told they are "anticipating" certain trades to open as of April. Read into that what you want. I wasn't told anything specific, but seeing as I applied for Sig Op or Combat Eng. I assume that one of those two are being "anticipated". For the amount of movement thats been going on with my one application, I am confident that I will get in sooner as oppose to later.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Final on December 05, 2010, 06:56:28
I talked with my recruiter on the phone on Friday. I was told they are "anticipating" certain trades to open as of April. Read into that what you want. I wasn't told anything specific, but seeing as I applied for Sig Op or Combat Eng. I assume that one of those two are being "anticipated". For the amount of movement thats been going on with my one application, I am confident that I will get in sooner as oppose to later.
Well if you think of it, A lot of people just joined because of the war in Afghanistan  (I'm not saying this is all true, but its pretty darn close).  With the fight pretty much dwindling down, those people will just opt out [somehow] and move on in life, therefore opening up positions for others.  How many people do this is unknown, but I'd think a few would do this.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Ben29 on December 05, 2010, 11:36:55
Well if you think of it, A lot of people just joined because of the war in Afghanistan  (I'm not saying this is all true, but its pretty darn close).  With the fight pretty much dwindling down, those people will just opt out [somehow] and move on in life, therefore opening up positions for others.  How many people do this is unknown, but I'd think a few would do this.

I'm not so sure this is happening. Conditions on the ground in Afghanistan are not good, I had a good friend say that Harper recently said in public at a NATO meeting that Canada will keep troops in the region until 2014, because he finally realized that there is no hope for reconstruction and any Canadian civilians in Kandahar wouldn't be able to do their jobs unless soldiers continued to provide security for them. I also think that troops most likely realize that the fight isn't over and we (NATO) is still facing threats from the region.

I have no idea what will happen, but I don't think we are getting out in 2011. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PMedMoe on December 05, 2010, 11:41:37
I'm not so sure this is happening. Conditions on the ground in Afghanistan are not good, I had a good friend say that Harper recently said in public at a NATO meeting that Canada will keep troops in the region until 2014, because he finally realized that there is no hope for reconstruction and any Canadian civilians in Kandahar wouldn't be able to do their jobs unless soldiers continued to provide security for them. I also think that troops most likely realize that the fight isn't over and we (NATO) is still facing threats from the region.

I have no idea what will happen, but I don't think we are getting out in 2011. Just my opinion.

Ummm, yeah, that's not exactly a secret.  It's been discussed in several threads on here about a small number of troops staying as trainers for the Afghanistan Army.

Here's a news link:  http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/11/15/afghanistan-mission-extension-layton.html (http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/11/15/afghanistan-mission-extension-layton.html)

That's certainly not going to change the number of positions opening but it may change the number of applications.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Ben29 on December 05, 2010, 11:52:29
Ummm, yeah, that's not exactly a secret.  It's been discussed in several threads on here about a small number of troops staying as trainers for the Afghanistan Army.

That's certainly not going to change the number of positions opening but it may change the number of applications.

Yes I could see it affecting applications for sure. What's a small number? I would think sending less will be bad especially since the taliban don't seem to be waiting out the time, as soon as we start to leave they will just start to kill more of our guys unless we are extremely smart about handing off the vital areas our soldiers have been so active in around Kandahar. From books I've read America has been extremely ignorant to what happens on the ground for our troops, but I have no real knowledge on how they plan to withdraw.

EDIT: You posted the link after I posted this, thanks for it. I see the number now.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PMedMoe on December 05, 2010, 11:53:52
Yes I could see it affecting applications for sure. What's a small number? I would think sending less will be bad especially since the taliban don't seem to be waiting out the time, as soon as we start to leave they will just start to kill more of our guys unless we are extremely smart about handing off the vital areas our soldiers have been so active in around Kandahar.

See the link I added to my post.  950 and they won't be in Kandahar.

At any rate, this is off topic.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Ben29 on December 05, 2010, 11:58:15
Right, sorry.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Dukereuchre on December 08, 2010, 00:22:04
Just to let people know... I called and switched my number one choice to Signal Ops and they told me processing would begin in the new year. A few hours later I got A call saying that they have reached the amount of applicants they were looking for. Now my file has been closed until further notice. Here's hoping people change their minds. Anyway good luck to everyone who got the chance to join.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: NazTheEternal on December 08, 2010, 11:21:40
I have been waiting since April with my choices being Artillery, Infantry, Armor...

I am starting to think that I might want to change at least one or two of those choices, simply based on the amount of applications that seem to want to join the combat trades...

But as everyone is told, I am to wait till April to hear anything...
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Dukereuchre on December 08, 2010, 12:37:11
You have waited so long it would be a shame for it to open in April and then you switched to something that was closed/you don't end up liking. I'm prepared to wait, going to enjoy being a civilian while I can. Build my body, and right now it's not so bad for me because I'm in school otherwise I would be sitting here twiddling my thumbs. My first choice was infantry but I switched to Sig Op's. Not only was it "in Demand" but it sounded like a better fit for me. I heard that occupation transfers can take A very long time so I would suggest going the trade you want right away! I hope you get in soon! Good luck!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Jarnhamar on December 08, 2010, 13:00:38
It would be nice of the CF stopped running recruitment adds on TV. Kinda just adds insult to injury if you as me.

Hey everyone, come join the Canadian Forces!
OHHHHH, we're only hiring 4 people from now until April 2011, but jump through the hoops anyways.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on December 08, 2010, 13:09:30
It would be nice of the CF stopped running recruitment adds on TV. Kinda just adds insult to injury if you as me.

Hey everyone, come join the Canadian Forces!
OHHHHH, we're only hiring 4 people from now until April 2011, but jump through the hoops anyways.

Deja vu.

Once again, those ads have been bought and paid for.  It isn't the CF, per say, running the ads, but the companies that the CF paid money to to produce and to run the ads.  OR ......... Would you prefer that the CF have paid millions of dollars, like Jean Chrétien, for absolutely nothing?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Searyn on December 08, 2010, 13:55:47
It would be nice of the CF stopped running recruitment adds on TV. Kinda just adds insult to injury if you as me.

Hey everyone, come join the Canadian Forces!
OHHHHH, we're only hiring 4 people from now until April 2011, but jump through the hoops anyways.

Personally every time I see one of those adds there is a very short moment when I feel the same way you do Grimaldus. Then I think to myself, "God damn, I can't wait till I can be doing that!" By the end of the commercial my desire to join the forces is renewed and I check the day count until I send in another application to update my info.

It's all a matter of perspective. If you think it's annoying, it will be. If you think it's inspirational...


Edit to add last sentance
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Journeyman on December 08, 2010, 14:07:30
The ads also serve to remind people that we have a military -- that whole "Connect with Canadians" line item.

Even if you're not remotely interested in joining, you'll still go, "oh hey.....ships."



...and think, "everyone in the military is so attractive, fit, and happy"  ;D
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on December 08, 2010, 14:19:23
It would be nice of the CF stopped running recruitment adds on TV.

Why ?

We know we are recruting in very limited numbers at this time but we also know that come the new FY, we are likely to recruit in broader numbers once again. Advertizing now to target those people still on the fence or those that have never considered it before, will show results in the new year. It would be stupid to stop putting ourselves out there when we know we have more significant intakes in a few months. The CF is advertizing to the people who are considering walking into the CFRCs in the new year.

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if you ask me.

Thankfully, no one at DND did.




Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Jarnhamar on December 08, 2010, 17:42:49


Deja vu.

Once again, those ads have been bought and paid for.  It isn't the CF, per say, running the ads, but the companies that the CF paid money to to produce and to run the ads.  OR ......... Would you prefer that the CF have paid millions of dollars, like Jean Chrétien, for absolutely nothing?
Good point about paying them for nothing. Even if we DID cancel the ads, I'm sure we would face some kind of penalty and probably end of being paid even more.
I said it would make more sense because it might help alleviate the amount of people swarming the recruiting centers. How many people are stuck waiting in a holding pattern? How many people are being turned away?  If we cancel the ads for the time being is it going to deplete us of vital future recruits? I don't think so.
I figure it's going to stop some kid from getting their hopes up then wasting a year waiting for a spot behind hundreds of other applicants.  Maybe instead of recruiting ads we could trade them for more 'be proud of your forces' ads or something.

I'm just wondering how long before we're sued for false advertising.


Thankfully, no one at DND did.
Thankfully I don't take your little drive-bys to heart  ;)
Thanks for catching me on that spelling mistake!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: the the on December 08, 2010, 17:46:15
I'm just wondering how long before we're sued for false advertising.
Who sues their own goverment for false advertising?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: MMSS on December 08, 2010, 17:48:24
Who sues their own goverment for false advertising?

Who expects to walk into a recruiter and be on a bus to BMQ that day?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on December 08, 2010, 17:58:44
Grimaldus

Let's put it this way:  The CF has never seen this in the whole history of the nation, since Confederation, and probably all before.  This is an anomaly that no one has seen before.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on December 08, 2010, 18:07:44

 Thankfully I don't take your little drive-bys to heart  ;)

No worries, i find you lack of insight and forethought refreshing.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Jarnhamar on December 08, 2010, 18:14:55
Grimaldus

Let's put it this way:  The CF has never seen this in the whole history of the nation, since Confederation, and probably all before.  This is an anomaly that no one has seen before.

Very true.  Honestly, given the load on our recruiting system and the amount of people currently waiting and who have been waiting do you think sending even more people to wait in line is beneficial?

No worries, I find your lack of insight and forethought refreshing.

You're welcome my friend.  I've always loved your constant sarcasm.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on December 08, 2010, 18:29:45
  I've always loved your constant sarcasm.

Hate the game, not the player.

 ;D
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: raindrops on December 13, 2010, 14:24:51
On a different note, I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on DEO for Public Affairs?

The trade, as many others, is currently closed and in the meantime I'm curious to know what other people going for this position have under their belt in reference to education, experience ect...

Does anyone know if there is a reason that it wouldn't open up come April 2011? It is frusterating having all my balls in motion and waiting for the months to go by not even knowing if the trade will open up... ???
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Sleath on December 21, 2010, 00:47:06
Hello guys,
My recruiter told me that the Infantry may not hire in till 2012 even though you may get your application processed in 2011 (Combat Arms in general). Seems that they are having some budget cuts or have hired to many people for positions already when they did an assessment for the available positions. Would be great if someone here got a job offer for Infantry and other Combat Arms trades for 2011.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: raindrops on December 21, 2010, 09:40:08
I'm not sure if that information is correct becasue I just called the recruiting center (for PAO mind you) and they said they wouldn't know anything before April 1, 2011...I'm assuming if infantry is closed now, just as my trade is then they can't make assumptions like that since they won't know anything until April...
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on December 21, 2010, 10:14:22
I'm not sure if that information is correct becasue I just called the recruiting center (for PAO mind you) and they said they wouldn't know anything before April 1, 2011...I'm assuming if infantry is closed now, just as my trade is then they can't make assumptions like that since they won't know anything until April...

 ;D

Twenty-three (23) pages, and you have come to this conclusion. 

____________________________________________________________________ .


I'm speechless.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Sleath on December 21, 2010, 10:20:17
The recruiter just told me what he thought and what others were telling him as well. He could be right or he could be wrong, although I am pretty sure he knows what he is talking about. He told me that they had an overflow of applications last year for Infantry and told me that you may have to wait in till 2012 as I mentioned before. In all, best of luck and hopefully they open the trades up.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Occam on December 21, 2010, 10:37:38
The recruiter just told me what he thought and what others were telling him as well. He could be right or he could be wrong, although I am pretty sure he knows what he is talking about. He told me that they had an overflow of applications last year for Infantry and told me that you may have to wait in till 2012 as I mentioned before. In all, best of luck and hopefully they open the trades up.

Welcome to last month (http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,88342.msg991564.html#msg991564).
Title: Doing more than twiddling one's thumbs...
Post by: SpenceL19 on January 02, 2011, 15:18:06
Hey guys,

I'm a recent (October) applicant to the Forces. My top pick from day one was Combat Engineer, and I still have high hopes for that trade. However, as every other applicant knows, nothing is open until at least April (Reg force, anyway). I've more or less accepted that, and I'm good to wait, but... I'd like to know what I CAN do in the meantime. I'm preparing physically (running 5+ k a day plus pushups/situps) and spending time researching other trades in the rather likely event Engineer stays closed.

Primarily, I was wondering whether it's still possible to go to a CFRC and do the CFAT and medical now, and thus be a step ahead come April. Will this be allowed despite the freeze? Any advice you could off would be helpful. Thanks!
Title: Re: Doing more than twiddling one's thumbs...
Post by: AgentSmith on January 02, 2011, 16:07:50
If the CFRC could get you in to do your CFAT, medical, etc now, they would. Right now your best course of action would be to brush up on your grade 10 math and English and keep working on your PT. That's about all you can do until April.
Title: Re: Doing more than twiddling one's thumbs...
Post by: PuckChaser on January 02, 2011, 16:11:56
I'm pretty sure they're not processing files for closed trades, which includes CFAT and medical until those trades open. There's already people on wait lists ahead of you.
Title: Re: Doing more than twiddling one's thumbs...
Post by: George Wallace on January 03, 2011, 10:44:04
As of Jan 1. 2011 it states they're processing applications. If you ask the Online Recuiter, they will confirm this. I'd give your CFRC a call today, because of course there isn't any consistency. One CFRC says one thing, and a different one will give you a completely different answer. I'm calling later today too, apperantly there were some things supposed to be happening in terms of open trades (What the recruiter said when I phoned mid December, and that brings me back to the point of inconsitency). We shall see! Luckily i'm already ahead of the game and am Merit Listed.

As we are once again starting to talk about the same things all over again, and April Fool's Day.......I mean 1 April 2011, once again the focus, I will merge this with the current informative thread that covers all of this ad nausium.......Please read the whole topic to get a good feel for what the real situation may be.

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: astecki on January 04, 2011, 14:14:37
Just got a call from the Mississauga CFRC, confirming that Infantry is still closed, applications will not be processed until April at least, and that's only if it opens up.  They will not accept any applications at this time, for this trade at least.  Again, simply confirmation from the horse's mouth as to what's being discussed again and again here.

*EDIT* For what it's worth, I was told to call back late February/early March for an update.  The Captain I spoke to seemed hopeful, but then again, so am I, so I might be projecting a little.  Ah well, lots of time to keep in tip-top shape!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: mwc on January 04, 2011, 14:24:42
Exactly 6 months tomorrow since my I handed in my papers for 3/4 (not arty) combat arms. Absolutely nothing has happened with me so far, c'mon April!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Donovanpayne on January 04, 2011, 14:53:05
Handed in my application mid December and was told to expect a call "very soon" when I called today. This was for Signal Operator (regular force) though. Still have my fingers crossed for being able to schedule my tests when they do call.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Occam on January 04, 2011, 15:14:11
Handed in my application mid December and was told to expect a call "very soon" when I called today. This was for Signal Operator   (regular force) though. Still have my fingers crossed for being able to schedule my tests when they do call.

Better get used to calling yourself "ACISS"....Sig Op died a painful, quiet death four days ago.   ;D
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Donovanpayne on January 04, 2011, 20:46:10
Better get used to calling yourself "ACISS"....Sig Op died a painful, quiet death four days ago.   ;D

I wasn't even aware haha, nor did my recruiter tell me. Care to fill me in as to why? :P
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PuckChaser on January 04, 2011, 20:55:05
Better get used to calling yourself "ACISS"....Sig Op died a painful, quiet death four days ago.   ;D

Yeah, since recruiting, the career shop, CFSCE, pretty much everyone outside the "Sphere of Good Ideas" doesn't know what the heck is going on with ACISS, all of us SigOps/LCIS/Linemen are just going to keep our normal names and hope this goes away.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Donovanpayne on January 04, 2011, 21:02:10
Yeah, since recruiting, the career shop, CFSCE, pretty much everyone outside the "Sphere of Good Ideas" doesn't know what the heck is going on with ACISS, all of us SigOps/LCIS/Linemen are just going to keep our normal names and hope this goes away.

Hm... So if I understand you correctly the name of the trade may or may not be changing? Actually if I may ask since I've never heard the term before in all honesty, what does ACISS even stand for?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on January 04, 2011, 21:09:02
Hm... So if I understand you correctly the name of the trade may or may not be changing? Actually if I may ask since I've never heard the term before in all honesty, what does ACISS even stand for?

GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND!

http://www.commelec.forces.gc.ca/inf/new-bul/vol51/article-08-eng.asp


Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PuckChaser on January 04, 2011, 21:14:46
Donovan, you won't notice a difference, other than you MCpls and Cpls will be all bitter. If you want to be a SigOp, you still can be. The whole restructure to create more of us, instead of fixing the problems in the trade with retention.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: IBM on January 04, 2011, 21:18:33
Hm... So if I understand you correctly the name of the trade may or may not be changing? Actually if I may ask since I've never heard the term before in all honesty, what does ACISS even stand for?

Army Communications Information Systems Specialist (I think, someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). What this means for you in layman's terms is that "officially" as of Jan 1 this year, SigOps/LCIS/Linemen don't really exist anymore and we are all merged into this one huge mega-trade called ACISS. There are now three "specialty streams" that roughly correspond to the 3 trades (broken down into CST/IST/LST), but not quite. Probably only true for Lineman/LST.

Don't worry if you don't quite get it, if you look under this mega-thread discussion under the C&E subforum, you'll see there are plenty of us who are already in this/these trade(s) don't either...at least not yet. :P

http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,77029.0.html
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PuckChaser on January 04, 2011, 21:47:41
You are correct, that's a good summary.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on January 04, 2011, 22:04:49
Army Communications Information Systems Specialist (I think, someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). What this means for you in layman's terms is that "officially" as of Jan 1 this year, SigOps/LCIS/Linemen don't really exist anymore and we are all merged into this one huge mega-trade called ACISS. There are now three "specialty streams" that roughly correspond to the 3 trades (broken down into CST/IST/LST), but not quite. Probably only true for Lineman/LST.

Don't worry if you don't quite get it, if you look under this mega-thread discussion under the C&E subforum, you'll see there are plenty of us who are already in this/these trade(s) don't either...at least not yet. :P

http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,77029.0.html

GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND!

http://www.commelec.forces.gc.ca/inf/new-bul/vol51/article-08-eng.asp

If you bother to read the C & E Branch Newsletters - Volume 51
Military Employment Structure for NCMs
Article written by Capt Y. Labonté

on the National Defence and the Canadian Forces link provided you will see for sure what is correct or not.  It may also answer some of the other questions being asked here.










 ::)

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: IBM on January 05, 2011, 04:22:21
GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND!

http://www.commelec.forces.gc.ca/inf/new-bul/vol51/article-08-eng.asp

If you bother to read the C & E Branch Newsletters - Volume 51
Military Employment Structure for NCMs
Article written by Capt Y. Labonté

on the National Defence and the Canadian Forces link provided you will see for sure what is correct or not.  It may also answer some of the other questions being asked here.










 ::)

Was that directed at the OP or me? You'll pardon me if I didn't see your first post there telling him to google it himself first. I was just sharing what I know off hand and didn't feel the need to google-confirm things for him; like you said he can do it himself.

As far as C & E branch newsletter goes, I admit I don't read EVERY ISSUE FRONT TO BACK. So I may have missed the article about ACISS. In fact, I read that newsletter only when there is no other reading material handy when I'm sitting on the crapper.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Red_Snapper on January 05, 2011, 06:06:49
Exactly 6 months tomorrow since my I handed in my papers for 3/4 (not arty) combat arms. Absolutely nothing has happened with me so far, c'mon April!

Join the club, I hold a 15 month membership and still counting!

Luckily I have a course or two too sustain me while I wait for my CT... :threat:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on January 05, 2011, 07:56:30
IBM

Both.

If you don't want to read info provided, and then provide a guesstimate, then confusion reigns. 
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: IBM on January 05, 2011, 14:04:58
IBM

Both.

If you don't want to read info provided, and then provide a guesstimate, then confusion reigns.

I think you are under the assumption that I intentionally decided did not read your first posting there about google. Have you accounted for the fact that maybe I only read up to his post and not scroll down to yours when I hit reply?

FYI, rest easy that my "guesstimate" as you called I turned out to be correct according to google and Puckchaser. But don't just take my word for it, I supposed you could google it yourself too.
Title: Combat Arms Positions Closed Till?
Post by: vmalin84 on January 05, 2011, 20:39:29
So I know there is a lot of talk all over these and many other forums regarding not only the Combat Arms positions but pretty much all other positions being closed.

I keep hearing that in April 2011 most positions will open up but here is my concern.

Seeing as all of our troops except 950 training personnel are going to be withdrawling from Afghanistan come summer 2011, what are the chances that any Infantry or combat arms positions will open up any time within the next few years.

I applied for Infantry about 4 or 5 years ago and got accepted but I decided to decline at the time because I found out my opa was diagnosed with cancer and I wanted to spend as much time as possible with him before he passed on. Now I am looking to apply again but as we all know, all combat arms positions are closed.

I dont really have any other positions I am interested in and am very curious when people think infantry may open again.

My plan is to apply for JTF 2 once i meet the requirements and I feel Infantry gives me the best chance of obtaining the physical/mental abilities to do so. I know I can apply for JTF from any job in any branch of the forces but I feel Infantry or at least a combat arms position gives me a better chance.

Aerospace Controller is a position that is open now and I have some experience in Air Traffic Control with Nav Canada but I really want to go Infantry. Do I just get in the forces now or should I wait (i don't know for how long) until Infantry opens again.

I know I asked a bunch of questions that there aren't definitive answers to, so i guess I'm more asking for what people think, any recommendations etc.

Thx in advance for any of your responses.
Title: Re: Combat Arms Positions Closed Till?
Post by: dangerboy on January 05, 2011, 20:44:10
My only advice is to go for a trade that you will be happy for.  You can't always change trades and no mater how good shape you are you might not get into JTF 2.  SO you might be in whatever trade you initially select for a long time.
Title: Re: Combat Arms Positions Closed Till?
Post by: Oh No a Canadian on January 05, 2011, 20:52:07
Yes, April

Troops in Afghanistan still hold a job in the forces, they were not hired just to go over there. Afghanistan or not people still have to retire due to many reasons and are promoted on a regular basis, there is always a need for new recruits.
Title: Re: Combat Arms Positions Closed Till?
Post by: KingofKeys on January 05, 2011, 20:57:38
Wait it out until the trade of your choice is open again.

"but I really want to go Infantry" - then you should  ;)
Title: Re: Combat Arms Positions Closed Till?
Post by: vmalin84 on January 05, 2011, 20:59:05
Ok so I wait till April.  Got an email from a recruiter saying to submit my application March 31st. Because positions will open up April 1st. However, I hear some people saying they have already applied and their application is being held. I dont think they hold applications because when i applied a few months ago they said all of my choices were closed and my file was being closed. Maybe files are kept open for certain trades but I/m assuming not combat arms?? Not sure

Since there are so many people going to be applying come April, is it just gonna be first come first serve? Any ideas on how I can better prepare or get to the head of the line incase Infantry does open up April 1st.

Thx for your responses and opinions. Greatly appreciated
Title: Re: Combat Arms Positions Closed Till?
Post by: KingofKeys on January 05, 2011, 21:01:37
Ok so I wait till April.  Got an email from a recruiter saying to submit my application March 31st. Because positions will open up April 1st. However, I hear some people saying they have already applied and their application is being held. I dont think they hold applications because when i applied a few months ago they said all of my choices were closed and my file was being closed. Maybe files are kept open for certain trades but I/m assuming not combat arms?? Not sure

Since there are so many people going to be applying come April, is it just gonna be first come first serve? Any ideas on how I can better prepare or get to the head of the line incase Infantry does open up April 1st.

Thx for your responses and opinions. Greatly appreciated


As quoted on: http://www.forces.ca/en/page/applynow-100

Quote
If you are interested in the occupations below, your application will be reviewed in January 2011 for employment opportunities in the spring.
Aerospace Control Operator
Naval Electronics Technician (sonar)
Naval Electronics Technician (communications)
Naval Electronics Technician (radar)
Signal Operator
Land Communications and Information Systems Technician
Maritime Surface and Sub-Surface Officer
Naval Communicator
Naval Weapons Technician
Sonar Operator
Nursing Officer
Naval Combat Systems Engineer (Officer)
Electronic-Optronic Technician (land)
Marine Engineering Mechanic
Marine Systems Engineering (Officer)
Engineer (Officer)
Construction Engineering (Officer)
If you are interested in other occupations not listed above, your application will be reviewed after April 1, 2011.


Title: Re: Combat Arms Positions Closed Till?
Post by: raindrops on January 06, 2011, 09:41:41
Since there are so many people going to be applying come April, is it just gonna be first come first serve? Any ideas on how I can better prepare or get to the head of the line incase Infantry does open up April 1st.

I called the Ottawa recruiting center yesterday and asked this same question and I was told that everyone gets a chance-it's not first come first serve, if 20 people apply and they are each qualified than they go through all of the steps and I suppose after each step some are weeded out and by the interview they'd know who they want...
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: IBM on January 06, 2011, 12:11:50
Look you guys, just like the recruiting centre and the recruiting website says. Excepted for the in-demand jobs listed, EVERYTHING is CLOSED until 01 APR of this year when they will start processing new apps. That's when the CF budget get finalized for the year and the recruiting people themselves know how much they are authorized to take in for the year. Before that time, there is no point in bugging them or others on this forum because no one can do anything about it before that date.

And no, the CF is not a "first-come" first served fast-food joint. If you are competing against hundreds of people for say, only 10 openings for pilot as an example, then obviously it will be tough since they will pick the top 10 out of the applicants. If there are only 20 people applying for those 10 openings, well, obviously you'll likely have an easier time getting in. Also remember there are people who are already in waiting to be trained (that will be you once you get accepted and sworn-in), who are ahead of you when it comes to courses, and that's another backlog there.

My point is: you gotta be patient. I know the feeling, when I applied it took a long time too, yes. But you have to be willing to wait if the CF is really what you want.

What I've said has been repeated in one form or another elsewhere on the milnet forums. If you seriously have trouble getting the concept of EVERYTHING IS CLOSED, I suggest you go back to school an learn the concept or consider applying at a fast-food joint... period. If you lack patience or maturity, the CF is not a good career choice for you.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: tudou on January 06, 2011, 12:53:53
so... none of the positions are open right now, even for the reserves?
hmm... am I still able to take the test and everything?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PMedMoe on January 06, 2011, 12:57:17
so... none of the positions are open right now, even for the reserves?
hmm... am I still able to take the test and everything?

Try reading the thread.  Depends on the reserve unit and in most cases, no, they are not processing applications at all.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Occam on January 06, 2011, 13:06:22
so... none of the positions are open right now, even for the reserves?
hmm... am I still able to take the test and everything?

The in-demand trades are accepting applications and processing, but will not be making any offers until April at the earliest.  (aka "closed" at the moment)

All other trades are currently closed and not accepting applications until April at the earliest.

Reserves:  See the specific unit for more information.

Can't make it any simpler than that, folks.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on January 06, 2011, 13:27:03
The in-demand trades are accepting applications and processing, but will not be making any offers until April at the earliest.  (aka "closed" at the moment)

All other trades are currently closed and not accepting applications until April at the earliest.

Reserves:  See the specific unit for more information.

Can't make it any simpler than that, folks.

 :-\

It makes one wonder.  Why do we even bother to answer these questions if people don't want to use the initiative to read the answers?

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: JB 11 11 on January 06, 2011, 13:50:03
:-\

It makes one wonder.  Why do we even bother to answer these questions if people don't want to use the initiative to read the answers?



Answer: Its not what they want to hear, so they ignore it and keep on asking until someone will tell them what they want to hear so they can feel better. Happens in Government all the time  ;D
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Alea on January 06, 2011, 14:05:02
Answer: Its not what they want to hear, so they ignore it and keep on asking until someone will tell them what they want to hear so they can feel better. Happens in Government all the time  ;D

I have noticed that a lot of the questions asked come from new members who don't have the "grip" of the site yet (i.e. read the site guidelines and use the search function) so they just ask their questions hoping to get an answer... this is also the "mistake" I made when I first registered.

This is why the best thing to do is probably to call the recruiting center and speak to someone there This site is a very informative one but no one here knows when will trades open again.
Alea

P.S.: I would not want to be a recruiter working on April 1st considering that everyone waiting has been told to come/call back on that day!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Donovanpayne on January 06, 2011, 17:44:00
Army Communications Information Systems Specialist (I think, someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). What this means for you in layman's terms is that "officially" as of Jan 1 this year, SigOps/LCIS/Linemen don't really exist anymore and we are all merged into this one huge mega-trade called ACISS. There are now three "specialty streams" that roughly correspond to the 3 trades (broken down into CST/IST/LST), but not quite. Probably only true for Lineman/LST.

Don't worry if you don't quite get it, if you look under this mega-thread discussion under the C&E subforum, you'll see there are plenty of us who are already in this/these trade(s) don't either...at least not yet. :P

http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,77029.0.html

A big thanks to you, Puckchaser, IBM, and George Wallace (I tried
Google and didn't come up with much - thank you very much for the link you provided).

On a side note, I got a call yesterday from the recruitment centre scheduling my Aptitude, Interview, and Medical (in that order) for next Thursday. I was in shock because I didn't think it would be that fast for the regular force. Anyways, I'm crossing my fingers to do well  :)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: IBM on January 06, 2011, 18:11:31
A big thanks to you, Puckchaser, IBM, and George Wallace (I tried
Google and didn't come up with much - thank you very much for the link you provided).

On a side note, I got a call yesterday from the recruitment centre scheduling my Aptitude, Interview, and Medical (in that order) for next Thursday. I was in shock because I didn't think it would be that fast for the regular force. Anyways, I'm crossing my fingers to do well  :)

You're welcome.

Thank god at least we have one potential recruit that knows how to read.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: C.G.R on January 06, 2011, 19:14:35
How likely is it that the combat arms will even open in April?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Donovanpayne on January 06, 2011, 19:21:21
How likely is it that the combat arms will even open in April?

It's possible but no one will actually know UNTIL April. Even then, there are still people who've been merit listed and waiting for some time now so chances are they'll receive the opportunity before a new applicant.

I was originally going to go for the Combat Arms but after some deep thought I decided to go in a slightly different direction and still do something I know I'd enjoy if I receive the privledge of getting in.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: C.G.R on January 06, 2011, 19:27:07
...and whats that if I may ask?  :)

I too was planning on joining the combat arms, but have also been considering Signal Operator, and now that it is open I am applying. I do not want to miss an oppurtunity, especially if I may not even be able to get into the combat arms because of my vision and the possibility of it not even opening. Though I still put combat engineer as my second choice and infantry as my third :P
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Journeyman on January 06, 2011, 19:42:19
The in-demand trades are accepting applications and processing, but will not be making any offers until April at the earliest.  (aka "closed" at the moment)

All other trades are currently closed and not accepting applications until April at the earliest.

Reserves:  See the specific unit for more information.

Can't make it any simpler than that, folks.
Yet, I'd bet this thread goes another.....six....pages before 1 April   :pop:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Donovanpayne on January 06, 2011, 19:46:04
...and whats that if I may ask?  :)

I too was planning on joining the combat arms, but have also been considering Signal Operator, and now that it is open I am applying. I do not want to miss an oppurtunity, especially if I may not even be able to get into the combat arms because of my vision and the possibility of it not even opening. Though I still put combat engineer as my second choice and infantry as my third :P

I went with Signal Operator (apparently ACISS now), Weapons Technician - Land, and Aerospace Control Operator and got a call just a few weeks later (as stated earlier in this discussion).

Before I had really given it some thought, my choices were semi-similar to yours. Wanting Signal Operater (which didn't change), Infantry, and Artillery or Combat Engineer. But further thinking allowed me to realize that I might be better suited to other trades within the forces.

Think hard! It's a life altering decision.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PuckChaser on January 06, 2011, 19:47:50
Yet, I'd bet this thread goes another.....six....pages before 1 April   :pop:

6 is an understatement. Just wait till after 1 April. 8 more pages of why aren't my trade choices open.  :piper:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Journeyman on January 06, 2011, 19:51:27
6 is an understatement.
Well, that planning figure assumes the Mods get pissed off at the repetitive questions and lock it at least once in the next 3 months.   ;D
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Sapplicant on January 06, 2011, 19:51:48
Yet, I'd bet this thread goes another.....six....pages before 1 April   :pop:

There should be an army.ca pool for this. Not about the number of pages, but the number of actual posts (not including mods, mentors, and regulars).

 Say, 2 dollars for each number. Then, once April 1st hits, the winner gets the pot.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: JB 11 11 on January 10, 2011, 06:04:18
...and whats that if I may ask?  :)

I too was planning on joining the combat arms, but have also been considering Signal Operator, and now that it is open I am applying. I do not want to miss an oppurtunity, especially if I may not even be able to get into the combat arms because of my vision and the possibility of it not even opening. Though I still put combat engineer as my second choice and infantry as my third :P


I suspect that there is going to be some fierce competition for Sig Op (or whatever its going to be called in the near future). I've applied for it and it seems it is the favorite in place of a Combat Arms Trade. More and more people are saying that it is their trade of choice.

Personally, I've been hounding the recruiting center for months.... started in June and missed the last Sig Op window by a hair. Since then I've kept up my correspondence with them and  I've finally been given a date for my Aptitude, Medical and Interview, so the patience and constant (albeit polite) badgering has paid off.....well, at least its got my foot in the door now.

I am hopeful, but I expect to have to work hard to get what I want. If you truly want in as a Sig Op, go for it, but if you want infantry or Combat Eng more, why not put them down as your preferred choices? If they are not open, you will still get offered Sig Op, No? If they do open up then you'll be offered those instead. Why take the chance of missing out on your preferred trades just to get into the system.

I've talked to many friends that are members/ex-members and have read the same on here, that re-mustering to a different trade once your in is not an easy thing to do. So think about it before you commit.
My  :2c: Good luck
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Flips13 on January 10, 2011, 16:20:57
You have a better chance to re-muster on your 2nd term contract. Sure it's possible to do it on you're first but no one will approve it. At least that's what was said when i was in 3ppcli.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Chinada on January 11, 2011, 01:04:07
I apply for Construction Engineering Officer (DEO), this morning I got email to book Medical and Interview appointments.
I will do Medical and Interview dated Jan_24

 :salute:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Dukereuchre on January 11, 2011, 10:55:53
Just called the Ottawa recruiting and they told me there is no Sig Ops positions open at this time and to try back next month or in March. He told me they weren't even processing Sig Ops applications. Anyone else get a similar response to this?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Scott on January 11, 2011, 12:36:47
How likely is it that the combat arms will even open in April?

How long is a piece of string?

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Eazy-Yi on January 11, 2011, 15:37:03
Just called the Ottawa recruiting and they told me there is no Sig Ops positions open at this time and to try back next month or in March. He told me they weren't even processing Sig Ops applications. Anyone else get a similar response to this?

That's weird, Sig Op is still open here, I was gonna apply for Ammo Tech, but it's closed until April, so I choose Sig Op.

A lot of people want Sig Op, I guess you have to wait for a while. (Waiting is not a problem for me, I waited 17 months to get my Canadian Citizenship ;D)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Dukereuchre on January 11, 2011, 17:17:31
It doesn't make much sense because I went to the online chat and they told me they should be processing applications and said there might have been some miscommunication on the phone and to call again, but i was at school. I do not mind waiting but If it's open now it's just a bonus. I'll update with what they say tomorrow.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Donovanpayne on January 12, 2011, 14:37:28
That's weird, Sig Op is still open here, I was gonna apply for Ammo Tech, but it's closed until April, so I choose Sig Op.

A lot of people want Sig Op, I guess you have to wait for a while. (Waiting is not a problem for me, I waited 17 months to get my Canadian Citizenship ;D)

It's open here too at the Calgary CFRC. Maybe they have some sort of system? ...
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Eazy-Yi on January 12, 2011, 18:46:57
It's open here too at the Calgary CFRC. Maybe they have some sort of system? ...

I live in Calgary too !!!  I guess you are right, maybe the trade is only open for certain regions ? That would be ridiculous.........
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on January 12, 2011, 19:01:03
That would be ridiculous.........

No one is forcing to to apply for the CF. If you dont like our hiring practices, there are other employers out there.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Peeves on February 01, 2011, 07:57:18
I handed my application into the CF in April of 2010. Heard back May of 2010 that of the all occupations (1st - Armored Soldier, 2nd - Artillery Soldier, 3rd - Infantry Soldier) I had selected were full for the year.
So what I'm pretty much asking is, was my application put on a wait list?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Occam on February 01, 2011, 09:08:26
I handed my application into the CF in April of 2010. Heard back May of 2010 that of the all occupations (1st - Armored Soldier, 2nd - Artillery Soldier, 3rd - Infantry Soldier) I had selected were full for the year. I was told I would get a call some time in the new year. Just wondering if anyone knows when the recruiting starts. Also is there a possibility that all this years occupations could be too full from last years applications.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I don't suppose you happened to read the last 25 pages of posts on the subject, did you?  Maybe even skim through them?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Peeves on February 01, 2011, 09:15:46
I don't suppose you happened to read the last 25 pages of posts on the subject, did you?  Maybe even skim through them?

No I didn't. Since I had made new thread then got transferred to this one.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Scott on February 01, 2011, 09:18:17
Hi Peeves,

I didn't see your first thread...it is possible that a Staff member merged that thread with this one because of the long line of questions that have been asked about the subject.

Please have some patience and try searching the forum as well as reading through this thread in its entirety. I believe you'll find that most of the answers, albeit vague at times, are located in this manner.

Scott
Staff
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Peeves on February 01, 2011, 09:23:02
Hi Peeves,

I didn't see your first thread...it is possible that a Staff member merged that thread with this one because of the long line of questions that have been asked about the subject.

Please have some patience and try searching the forum as well as reading through this thread in its entirety. I believe you'll find that most of the answers, albeit vague at times, are located in this manner.

Scott
Staff

Yes it was merged. I tried to go back and delete post since I found what needed finding on here after said merging.
Thanks :)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Occam on February 01, 2011, 09:27:57
Peeves,

My apologies, I didn't see that your post was merged from elsewhere, but the advice Scott gave about searching and reading is top notch.  You may find the site's search engine not to your liking, in which case you can submit searches to Google while restricting hits to this site by using search terms in the following format:  site:army.ca recruiting stopped (http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=site%3Aarmy.ca+recruiting+stopped&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Peeves on February 01, 2011, 23:36:04
I've just been reading through some of these pages and noticed that some people are re-sending their applications in to CF, every few months it seems. Just wondering if it is vital I do the same. My address and phone numbers have stayed the same but employers have changed somewhat.
Any advice?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Sleath on February 02, 2011, 00:05:47
When I was waiting for my interview about two weeks ago, I overheard a recruiter talking to an individual asking about Combat Arms occupations, when asked what occupation he was interested in, he said Infantry. The recruiter told him that he woud have to wait intil April and chances are quiet low, he however told the individual that if he wanted Combat Arms, Artillery would be his best bet if he wanted to come back and apply in April as his first choice. Just thought I woud throw this in, not trying to mislead anyone, even he was skeptical when he said it. Its best to wait intill April as everyone has been suggesting, patience is key.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on February 02, 2011, 00:10:04
And once again ........ DO NOT APPLY FOR A TRADE THAT YOU DO NOT ACTUALLY WANT TO DO FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, just to get into the CF.  You will hate it and not stay in long enough to find out what the CF is all about.  You are also ruining the chances for someone who may really want that Trade.   Apply for the Trade that you want to make a career of, not what some smuck on the internet suggests you do.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on February 02, 2011, 13:19:08
I've just been reading through some of these pages and noticed that some people are re-sending their applications in to CF, every few months it seems. Just wondering if it is vital I do the same. My address and phone numbers have stayed the same but employers have changed somewhat.
Any advice?

Always keep the CFRC informed/updated to any changes to your circumstances.  It may mean you getting that "Call" or missing it due to them not being able to find you.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Donovanpayne on February 02, 2011, 16:49:32
I live in Calgary too !!!  I guess you are right, maybe the trade is only open for certain regions ? That would be ridiculous.........

Yay another Calgarian!

On a side note, I wouldn't go as far as to say that it's ridiculous. If they did do it like this (which I would highly doubt but who knows) there would be a good reason for it. They wouldn't do it just to torment recruits in certain regions.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: riderzx6rr on February 08, 2011, 19:05:41
Hi , So just wondering if someone can explain my situation, and if i should give up on joining the CF, So i live in Calgary ,AB,  i first applied two years ago. First choice INFANTRY, i waited 4 weeks and was told to come in for Appt Test, physicial and interview all in one day. I went..passed everything, waited 2 weeks got a phone call from the guy that interviewed me and he said " Sorry but we can not accept you for infantry because of your eyes, but we will give you a conditional offer..." I said " whats wrong with my eyes?" he said " class 4 or something meaning they were not good enough to shoot. So i said I am 100 percent interested in joining INFANTRY so i declined the conditional job offer. I then went right away and paid $2000, and got LAZIK Eye surgery. So my eyes are 20/20. I called the recruiter they said i have to wait 6 Months before i can reapply because my eyes have to heal. So i waited 6 months and reapplied... Recession Hit( so i'm guessing everyone that lost their jobs and could not find anything else, wanted to go to Afghanistan cause it would be a cool thing to do...) and INFANTRY was full.. i applied for Armoured and some recruiter that was handling my application...quit the day i applied and threw my Application out. One month later i called to see why no one called me. By then it was too late Armoured was full... waited 6 more months..tried for armoured again and they called me 2 weeks later and said it was full. I waited 6 more months (give or take) and called to apply for Infantry. They said maybe in april 2011. I waited until FEB 1st 2011. I called the same recruitment office i have been going to for the last 2 and a half years and they just told me INFANTRY IS NOT HIRING THIS YEAR MAYBE NEXT YEAR 2012...... does anyone have any idea what the hell just happend to me lol, Should i just give up, or wait 12 more months and call the same office and ask if INFANTRY IS OPEN? let me know what you think i would appreciate any comments, I am at a loss. Thanks sorry for the long post. Also i have 2 friends that are currently in the REG force , they applied 6 months before i did and one is in infantry loving life and the other is in armoured living his dream, they were both drug addicts, loved to party and had no decent career goals....guess they lucked out on timing....?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on February 08, 2011, 19:33:14
Hi , So just wondering if someone can explain my situation, and if i should give up on joining the CF, So i live in Calgary ,AB,  i first applied two years ago. First choice INFANTRY, i waited 4 weeks and was told to come in for Appt Test, physicial and interview all in one day. I went..passed everything, waited 2 weeks got a phone call from the guy that interviewed me and he said " Sorry but we can not accept you for infantry because of your eyes, but we will give you a conditional offer..." I said " whats wrong with my eyes?" he said " class 4 or something meaning they were not good enough to shoot. So i said I am 100 percent interested in joining INFANTRY so i declined the conditional job offer. I then went right away and paid $2000, and got LAZIK Eye surgery. So my eyes are 20/20. I called the recruiter they said i have to wait 6 Months before i can reapply because my eyes have to heal. So i waited 6 months and reapplied... Recession Hit( so i'm guessing everyone that lost their jobs and could not find anything else, wanted to go to Afghanistan cause it would be a cool thing to do...) and INFANTRY was full.. i applied for Armoured and some recruiter that was handling my application...quit the day i applied and threw my Application out. One month later i called to see why no one called me. By then it was too late Armoured was full... waited 6 more months..tried for armoured again and they called me 2 weeks later and said it was full. I waited 6 more months (give or take) and called to apply for Infantry. They said maybe in april 2011. I waited until FEB 1st 2011. I called the same recruitment office i have been going to for the last 2 and a half years and they just told me INFANTRY IS NOT HIRING THIS YEAR MAYBE NEXT YEAR 2012...... does anyone have any idea what the hell just happend to me lol, Should i just give up, or wait 12 more months and call the same office and ask if INFANTRY IS OPEN? let me know what you think i would appreciate any comments, I am at a loss. Thanks sorry for the long post. Also i have 2 friends that are currently in the REG force , they applied 6 months before i did and one is in infantry loving life and the other is in armoured living his dream, they were both drug addicts, loved to party and had no decent career goals....guess they lucked out on timing....?

WOW!   Can you actually read that?  That really hurts the eyes.   Perhaps you'll have a better idea of what is going on if you begin at the very beginning of this topic and read what others are going through. 
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: riderzx6rr on February 08, 2011, 19:40:16
Lol, I figured a lot of people would say that.  I did read it all, Thank you guess ill have to be a big boy and make the decision my self if its worth waiting for :) .
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PMedMoe on February 08, 2011, 20:15:14
guess ill have to be a big boy and make the decision my self if its worth waiting for :) .

You're the only one who can really decide if it's worth it.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on February 08, 2011, 20:46:16
Hi , So just wondering if someone can explain my situation,

I'm not sure what you are hoping to hear or what there is to explain...........
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: denimboy on February 09, 2011, 11:16:37
I've gone through several pages on the topic but everyone has their own stories and issues.
I've decided some time ago I'd join the CF with my first choice being Infantry. Surprise, it's full. It was a few months ago when I went to the CFRC (where they wouldn't give me the application saying there is no wait list).
Called on Monday and they said to call back in March for trades list (didn't mention Infantry).
Now, I read some people having filled the application and even passed several tests and being put back to maybe be called later (which looks like a wait list to me) and some not.
Should I ask again to fill application or what? I understand that people who applied when infantry was open and then were refused being first on list. However, if no one can apply while not open, and those who applied when open aren't accepted, well chances are pretty much NONE...
I'm willing to wait months.. even a year.. but this is a bummer
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: steve_newsom on February 09, 2011, 13:19:59
Any other trades you will need to wait until April 1. Pretty simple.  There is no 'waiting list' those trades they know will be open in the new fiscal year, so they have begun processing them. The rest of them they have no idea. So why would they even waste the paper for you to fill an application out if the trades you're choosing may not even be open for another year? I don't mean to come off so bluntly, but you're complaining about your wait period of a few months. I've been waiting since June '10 and that's not even a long time compared to some other fellows on this website.  From reading your post it's clear you have no understanding of how the recruiting process even works. I would recommend you go read some more posts on here before you start complaining like that again, or you will tick a lot of people off.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss him. Sure, his post is pretty redundant but his frustration speaks to a common concern. Specifically, the current situation makes it difficult to get an application in for combat arms trades (and other closed trades). I understand the Army's reasoning regarding this matter, but from the outside it seems as if every route in is blocked off. Waiting until April to apply to a trade that may or may not open up isn't necessarily problematic. However, if any spots do open up, they will almost certainly be given to those merit listed in advance and then as soon as they opened up, they will close again and preclude any new applications (I also don't imagine too many openings in the combat arms, from what I've heard from CFRC). Those who have not had their files processed are left to wait again. From my end, it was frustrating trying to explain this to recruiters and only after a year and a bit was my file completely processed and merit listed so that I am eligible should my trade open up in April.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on February 09, 2011, 13:33:51
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss him. Sure, his post is pretty redundant but his frustration speaks to a common concern. Specifically, the current situation makes it difficult to get an application in for combat arms trades (and other closed trades). I understand the Army's reasoning regarding this matter, but from the outside it seems as if every route in is blocked off. Waiting until April to apply to a trade that may or may not open up isn't necessarily problematic. However, if any spots do open up, they will almost certainly be given to those merit listed in advance and then as soon as they opened up, they will close again and preclude any new applications (I also don't imagine too many openings in the combat arms, from what I've heard from CFRC). Those who have not had their files processed are left to wait again. From my end, it was frustrating trying to explain this to recruiters and only after a year and a bit was my file completely processed and merit listed so that I am eligible should my trade open up in April.

So the problem is.........what ?

 ::)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: steve_newsom on February 09, 2011, 14:11:05
And shouldn't that be how it is Steve?
People that are Merit Listed right now have obviously been waiting a lot longer then the OP, or any of the other people complaining they can't apply yet. So shouldn't the people already merit listed be the first ones to get a crack at the open positions this year? The people who are applying now and in April may still get a job this year, and if not they will have to wait until next April as we already did... Do you understand what I am saying?

Don't worry - we're on the same page. The problem isn't the merit list, rather it has to do with getting on it. Given the sporadic nature of recruiting in certain trades, getting on the merit list would seem essential for getting a spot in a trade that opens up after being closed for a while. And yet, applicants aren't (for the most part) given the opportunity to get on it and as long as the 'hiring freeze' goes on, they won't. Which, in my mind, seems to defeat the purpose of a merit list. After all, it's not a first-come-first-serve list. That said, I understand processing each applicant for closed trades for the purposes of putting them on the merit list is entirely unfeasible given the CF's problem with resources. I just sympathize with the frustration of others, having experienced so much of it myself.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: denimboy on February 09, 2011, 14:15:52
Any other trades you will need to wait until April 1. Pretty simple.  There is no 'waiting list' those trades they know will be open in the new fiscal year, so they have begun processing them. The rest of them they have no idea. So why would they even waste the paper for you to fill an application out if the trades you're choosing may not even be open for another year? I don't mean to come off so bluntly, but you're complaining about your wait period of a few months. I've been waiting since June '10 and that's not even a long time compared to some other fellows on this website.  From reading your post it's clear you have no understanding of how the recruiting process even works. I would recommend you go read some more posts on here before you start complaining like that again, or you will tick a lot of people off.

Well obviously you got my post wrong and getting mad over something you misread.
First, I'm not complaining.
Thanks for the list but I saw that on Forces.ca. That's why I specified Infantry.
Then, here's what I said regarding the Merit Listed
I understand that people who applied when infantry was open and then were refused being first on list.
I don't see any complaining regarding those?
Now for waiting delays
I'm willing to wait months.. even a year.. but this is a bummer
I'm not complaining about waiting for "a few months". I'm willing to wait as long as it takes. And I don't think anyone enjoyed the wait...
NOW, the main point of my post (because it appears I have to explain it to you because I don't have a thousand posts and therefore I must be a complete ignorant)
if no one can apply while not open, and those who applied when open aren't accepted, well chances are pretty much NONE...
By "accepted" I meant getting the job already being merit listed. Beside the fact that they waste some paper, my point was that if they can't accept all those who has Merit Listed, than maybe I should have everything ready when they open the trade so I MIGHT go through processing regardless if I get the trade or not.
There is no "waiting list" but they still keep applications that are merit listed.
My point is better explained by steve_newsom.
I got my answer.

Quote
From reading your post it's clear you have no understanding of how the recruiting process even works
I know how the recruiting process works. Having a question about a closed trade is too much to ask on a "Recruiting" forum topic about "Open/Closed Trades" apparently... 
If questions regarding recruiting process irritates you that much you may want to find something else to read. Just saying
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PMedMoe on February 09, 2011, 17:13:51
Well obviously you got my post wrong and getting mad over something you misread.

I know how the recruiting process works. Having a question about a closed trade is too much to ask on a "Recruiting" forum topic about "Open/Closed Trades" apparently... 

If questions regarding recruiting process irritates you that much you may want to find something else to read. Just saying

Wow, you'll go far here......   ::)  Where's Journeyman?   ;D
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Flips13 on February 09, 2011, 22:10:53
So either you wait it out for your trade to open or you move on. Everyone has problems and frustrations I have 2 years of it.

- 2009, I was in reg 3vp, talked to recruiter because i wanted to change trades he said it would be faster to get out come back in.
- 2009, End of TOS, went to recruiters recession hit. No job openings.
- 2009, Jobs i didn't qualify were available waited to redo the test.
- 2010, Trade closed, don't get to take the test.
- 2010, New trade, wait to redo test.
- 2010, Trade closed,
- 2010, End of the year got into the Reserves.
- 2011, Put in CT/OT, went to recruiters they said theres a freeze on CT/OT right now. She said I would have a better chance if I was just going to go straight to the Regs instead of CT/OT.
- 2011, I'm not going anywhere, Staying in reserves till my CT/OT goes through.

I'm married with a Kid by the way, and have been laid off twice in this period due to shortage of work. Now this is frustrating. But hey everything happens for a reason, and when i get back to the Reg Force it will be my time. Untill then I'm just gonna look forward and ''Soldier On''

BTW this isn't a Rant, But people think there alone in this Process and there are many ppl like you, or even worse so don't sweat it. Either stick it out wait for your trade or go find something else to do with your life.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Journeyman on February 10, 2011, 12:04:20
Wow, you'll go far here......   ::)  Where's Journeyman?   ;D
I'm trying to avoid posting in the Recruiting threads


....for the same reasons I don't watch soap operas or "reality" TV.  ;)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PuckChaser on February 10, 2011, 13:23:54
But hey everything happens for a reason, and when i get back to the Reg Force it will be my time. Untill then I'm just gonna look forward and ''Soldier On''

BTW this isn't a Rant, But people think there alone in this Process and there are many ppl like you, or even worse so don't sweat it. Either stick it out wait for your trade or go find something else to do with your life.

Best comment from a person waiting to back into the CF in a long time on here. Bravo for your perseverance, hope it all works out for you in the end.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Daavdablo on February 10, 2011, 14:29:23
I know I'm not saying anything new here as I have been merit listed since June 2010 after jumping through numerous hoops (including PRK eye surgery) to finish processing. I have been checking in on the status of my app every other month or so with no new developements (obviously). But in early December when I called my File Manager for any updates she had transfered my call to a Captain in the CFRC. He had informed me that I may be able to expect a job offer for Armoured Crewman and/or maybe Combat Engineer (2nd and 3rd choices) in late January to early February.

It's now the second week in February and still nothing... I guess we'll see in April... Just wondering if anyone else received that same info and maybe did get an offer for either of those two trades?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Container on February 10, 2011, 17:19:21
FYI-

I just spoke with recruitment and MARS isnt closed- they are dealing with ROTP apps, which came due last month- the 9th I believe and after they figure out that they'll figure out numbers for the year.

If you are waiting on NOAB or MARS in general expect no news until the end of March at the EARLIEST.

As of twenty minutes ago. And now I go off to the gym so that im not wasting everyones time.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Sigil on February 10, 2011, 18:00:37
FYI-

I just spoke with recruitment and MARS isnt closed- they are dealing with ROTP apps, which came due last month- the 9th I believe and after they figure out that they'll figure out numbers for the year.

If you are waiting on NOAB or MARS in general expect no news until the end of March at the EARLIEST.

As of twenty minutes ago. And now I go off to the gym so that im not wasting everyones time.

Glad to hear from another source that MARS isn't closed. Did the recruiter you spoke with tell you specifically there would be no NOAB until the ROTP applications were sorted out, though? I'd just find that odd, since unless there has been a change in policy ROTP applicants wouldn't even attend the NOAB.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Container on February 11, 2011, 01:12:35
I did nt ask about the NOAB. Just told that there wouldnt be any news until this other stuff was dealt with.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Sigil on February 11, 2011, 03:38:11
Ok, cool. Hopefully information on available positions, NOAB invitations, and jobs offers will begin to trickle in at the end of March. Until then, I'll continue to wait (im)patiently.  ;D
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: denimboy on February 18, 2011, 12:03:25
For those waiting for the infantry.

I called my local CFRC this morning to verify certain things and they are waiting the opening trades list for mid March.
For infantry though, they know this trade will not open in April.

It may open at some other time in the year but very unlikely to open in April.

Let's wait and keep preparing
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Container on February 18, 2011, 13:11:51
and.....advised this morning that REG MARS shant be opening anytime soon. At least as of this morning.

No frustration on my part- Its good the military is doing good on some trades at least. Its more important that the trades are full then I get a job!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: SK on February 18, 2011, 14:28:44
and.....advised this morning that REG MARS shant be opening anytime soon. At least as of this morning.

No frustration on my part- Its good the military is doing good on some trades at least. Its more important that the trades are full then I get a job!

Hey Container, not looking like MARS is going to be opening in April then?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Container on February 18, 2011, 14:30:26
My recruiters impression was it wasnt going to be an option until 2012. But- that of course doesnt mean for sure- but that was what he knows right now. Im planning on its not opening this year like he said.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: SK on February 18, 2011, 14:37:43
My recruiters impression was it wasnt going to be an option until 2012. But- that of course doesnt mean for sure- but that was what he knows right now. Im planning on its not opening this year like he said.
Wow, bad news, thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Container on February 18, 2011, 15:29:13
Yup things change alot- but today it is what it is. Of course if they are anything like the other government departments it'll be "sorry we're closed" over and over again until its "We needs hundreds of people!".

This of course isnt the recruiters fault, those decisions are made by a group of people in dark cloaks in Ottawa shaking bones at each other and throwing chicken blood about. I believe they are called Treasury Board.

My recruiter and I are exploring other options. Great set of people.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: JMesh on February 18, 2011, 16:21:55
Oddly enough I actually asked him about MARS and he said they're always hurting for people. Might just not be in the budget this year though.

Certainly a possibility. Another possibility is with the training backlogs, they're holding off on recruiting new people for the trade until the backlog has lessened. While I can't speak for RegF or other parts of the PRes, I know that NAVRES (which uses Venture NOTC for their MARS trg, same place as RegF MARS, and all NAVRES BMOQ) currently has a training backlog and not every new member will get trained this summer.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: SK on February 18, 2011, 16:46:01
If it is indeed closed until 2012, does that mean there will be no NOAB in 2011 then?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: agc on February 18, 2011, 17:28:01
If it is indeed closed until 2012, does that mean there will be no NOAB in 2011 then?

They would still need to run it for MS ENG and NCS ENG.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Sigil on February 18, 2011, 18:31:31
They would still need to run it for MS ENG and NCS ENG.
Unless they continue with the phone interviews instead of a NOAB for MS ENG and NCS ENG.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: SK on February 18, 2011, 18:35:15
Is there a set point in time where the recruiting centres will have more concrete answers as to which trades are opening? or is it just wait and see until April 1st?  Thanks for all the answers guys
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Sigil on February 18, 2011, 18:42:20
None of us know what, Stacked?

As far as having to run a NOAB for MSE and NCSE, several applicants were recently interviewed by phone instead of being invited to a NOAB. One of the applicants was told it may be a recurring thing (although not for MARS). That's what I was replying to.

EDIT: And SK, my CFRC told me they would know more beginning some time in March.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Navspecwar334 on March 01, 2011, 12:02:36
I cannot believe the crying and bellyaching on here.  I see people complaining that they've waited up to a year to hear anything back from a recruiting center, or that they have to wait until Apr. 1st to find out if  "they're in".  I just spent the last 10 YEARS in the bloody Navy, TRYING to remuster back to an Infantry Regiment.  TEN YEARS, of request forms, memo's, letters of recommendation, career mangler meetings, positive PER's, taking courses, applying for VOT's, being accepted and then missing COS dates because I'm stuck off S. Korea, or deployed somewhere where I CANT fly home to transition to my new career, to get told 'try again next year'  .  It makes me nauseous to see people who have NO experience whatsoever within the CF get pi**y at the 'process'.  Everyone seems to think they're 'owed' something.  Try not to forget that there are those of us who have had deployments, training, courses, reviews, eval's, rank, ect. that TOO have to wait...you CHOSE to apply, thus, you CHOOSE to wait...period.  Instead of waiting another 3yrs to VOT (after a further 2yrs compulsory service time following a career course) I opted to release in the hopes that my time in, ect.  would get me back to Regiment faster.  I'm like ALL of you waiting to get back in, but I'm not on here slamming the system, or how it runs....pick your rate, seal your fate...and if it means your fate (for now) is to wait, then do it peacefully...show the moderators, and others on here some common decency.  I don't know how many times I've read over the last year, people asking the same questions, or raising the same gripes.  If you can't WAIT, without whining, than how the HELL do you expect to be taken seriously when discussing ANYTHING regarding the Infantry.  Are you going to b*tch and complain during Basic?  Soldier Qual? Battleschool? .....because you'll be in for one hell of a surprise.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PMedMoe on March 01, 2011, 13:01:37
I cannot believe the crying and bellyaching on here.  I see people complaining that they've waited up to a year to hear anything back from a recruiting center, or that they have to wait until Apr. 1st to find out if  "they're in".  I just spent the last 10 YEARS in the bloody Navy, TRYING to remuster back to an Infantry Regiment.  TEN YEARS, of request forms, memo's, letters of recommendation, career mangler meetings, positive PER's, taking courses, applying for VOT's, being accepted and then missing COS dates because I'm stuck off S. Korea, or deployed somewhere where I CANT fly home to transition to my new career, to get told 'try again next year'  .  It makes me nauseous to see people who have NO experience whatsoever within the CF get pi**y at the 'process'.  Everyone seems to think they're 'owed' something.  Try not to forget that there are those of us who have had deployments, training, courses, reviews, eval's, rank, ect. that TOO have to wait...you CHOSE to apply, thus, you CHOOSE to wait...period.  Instead of waiting another 3yrs to VOT (after a further 2yrs compulsory service time following a career course) I opted to release in the hopes that my time in, ect.  would get me back to Regiment faster.  I'm like ALL of you waiting to get back in, but I'm not on here slamming the system, or how it runs....pick your rate, seal your fate...and if it means your fate (for now) is to wait, then do it peacefully...show the moderators, and others on here some common decency.  I don't know how many times I've read over the last year, people asking the same questions, or raising the same gripes.  If you can't WAIT, without whining, than how the HELL do you expect to be taken seriously when discussing ANYTHING regarding the Infantry.  Are you going to b*tch and complain during Basic?  Soldier Qual? Battleschool? .....because you'll be in for one hell of a surprise.

Feel better now?  While I understand your frustrations (for me - five attempts at OT before getting accepted), you are slamming the system.  You chose a trade you weren't happy with (possibly for several reasons) and now, you've chosen to release instead of staying in and waiting for your VOT.  Good luck.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: nairna on March 03, 2011, 01:22:31
On a positive note, it is almost April. Hopefully many of you will hear some news that will bring some comfort to this long wait.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Navspecwar334 on March 03, 2011, 06:18:45
Feel better now?  While I understand your frustrations (for me - five attempts at OT before getting accepted), you are slamming the system.  You chose a trade you weren't happy with (possibly for several reasons) and now, you've chosen to release instead of staying in and waiting for your VOT.  Good luck.
...actually, I DIDNT choose the trade, I picked a trade...got to the base I was posted to, told the trade was "full" and that I could have the trade I ended up with, or release.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: JB 11 11 on March 03, 2011, 06:32:16
Just a thought, but have you considered applying for CSOR or (dare I say it....) JTF? I keep hearing they're always on the look out for good supporters.
And in terms of the "Process", from what Im told, the application process for those units are stream lined (for lack of a better word) and all applicants are reviwed and considered. It may not be an Infantry regiment, but if you want to be a door kicker, it'd be a damn sight easier to get in from one of those units instead of from the Navy direct.

This is assuming a lot I know, but its just a thought. Hope things get better for you. :salute:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PMedMoe on March 03, 2011, 08:58:53
...actually, I DIDNT choose the trade, I picked a trade...got to the base I was posted to, told the trade was "full" and that I could have the trade I ended up with, or release.

Well that bites.  My apologies.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: mymusichaus on March 10, 2011, 19:12:43
Hey everyone,
Does anyone know the amount of spots the military is allowed to fill as far as cook trade goes? I can't imagine that there are too many applicants, or perhaps I am saying this to myself because I want to get on the merit list asap :)
Title: Trades opening in April
Post by: Litts12 on March 10, 2011, 19:35:53
Hey everybody. Just been busy talking to different recruiters and adjusting and getting my 3 choices just the way I want them. And I think im all set going in with Artillery, Armoured and Infantry in that order. Just a few questions seeing as I seem to get different answers from every recruiter I talk to. I originally applied last May. Have not started the process yet. Anyone have any info or thoughts on Artillery or Armoured, will they open in April. I keep getting different answers, I no Infantry will likely not. And they can't really tell me if I will get a call or not. What do you think my chances of getting a call to start getting my application processed for one of those? I just have my high school diploma for the record. Thanks
Title: Re: Trades opening in April
Post by: mwc on March 10, 2011, 19:45:23
As of 10 minutes ago, the TV said that Artillery was "Wanted" haha.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: OBigD on March 10, 2011, 19:49:18
I do not have an answer as to your first question, however, I doubt the number of applicants for cook will have any bearing on your time until merit. Merit means nothing more than you have completed all of the application process and have received the green light for hire. Where you fall on that list is a different story. Make yourself stand out above the rest and be the best applicant you can. These are words from a few fantastic recruiters and friends in the CF that were passed on to me.

Good luck on your application. The best lesson you can learn right now is "hurry up and wait". Have patience and it will all fall into place. April is not far off, hang in there  ;)
Title: Re: Trades opening in April
Post by: ModlrMike on March 10, 2011, 19:55:19
Try this thread:

http://forums.navy.ca/forums/index.php/topic,88342.0/topicseen.html (http://forums.navy.ca/forums/index.php/topic,88342.0/topicseen.html)

and this one too:

http://forums.navy.ca/forums/index.php/topic,99813.0/topicseen.html (http://forums.navy.ca/forums/index.php/topic,99813.0/topicseen.html)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: mymusichaus on March 10, 2011, 22:08:06
OBigD- Thanks! That is really helpful. Patience is crucial. My fiancee is in the military so I am familiar with time the military takes when making a decision... and of course for all the right reasons.  I must say this site is so useful. I have gotten some great advice. I think it's awesome that there are so many people interested in giving their help. :)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: sky777 on March 11, 2011, 11:24:51
Any DEO here?
How is your progress in Application Process now?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: mymusichaus on March 11, 2011, 13:11:51
Sky, if your question about the application is to me than its good :)
The military cant do anything until the end of the month if the trade is closed.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: sky777 on March 11, 2011, 14:22:41
Sky, if your question about the application is to me than its good :)
The military cant do anything until the end of the month if the trade is closed.
Yes, I know.I was not question about trades opened/closed.
I didn't want to start new topic.
I meant if there are some changes for people who already did Sec,CFAT,Med,Interview and waiting for  Officer Board.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Chinada on March 11, 2011, 15:01:02
I am so sad to report that I just got phone call:

I be offered CEO -DEO. I will go for BMOQ May_7_2011
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: DanKnee on March 11, 2011, 15:07:46
I am so sad to report that I just got phone call:

I be offered CEO -DEO. I will go for BMOQ May_7_2011

Congratulations. That was my first choice but because I had to verify some things my file got delayed. I wish you all the best.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: steve_newsom on March 11, 2011, 15:19:53
Just got an enrollment offer for DEO Infantry. BMOQ should start May 9.

To be honest the feeling is a little overwhelming, which is odd considering I've been waiting for this for a considerable amount of time.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: sky777 on March 11, 2011, 15:51:40
Congratulations !!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: steve_newsom on March 11, 2011, 16:01:03
Thanks. I'm not sure what this means when it comes to trades being open/closed.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: SK on March 11, 2011, 16:27:24
Wow, so infantry opened then? Anyone know if CFRC's have the numbers for April?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: sky777 on March 11, 2011, 16:34:59
I don't know how it works for DEO now.
I just called to my local CFRC.My medical arrived from Ottawa.Everything is fine.
Next week they are going to put me in merit list.What I shall to expect?Officer Board?
If guys from Toronto started to get offers - it means OB already have been.
Or how it works? Just questions...
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: mathabos on March 11, 2011, 16:59:02
Just got an enrollment offer for DEO Infantry. BMOQ should start May 9.

To be honest the feeling is a little overwhelming, which is odd considering I've been waiting for this for a considerable amount of time.

Awesome, looks like some DEO's will be joining a bunch of us ROTP types on May 9th.
Congrats
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: mwc on March 11, 2011, 21:58:34
Wow, so infantry opened then? Anyone know if CFRC's have the numbers for April?

I believe he got the call because:

1. He has applied as an Officer.
2. He has had his papers in for at least a year, easily.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: steve_newsom on March 12, 2011, 07:36:35
I got the call because an infantry DEO spot had opened up in March. It has nothing to do with how long my papers were in. I was no. 2 on the merit list (according to a recruiting officer) and the position was offered to the no.1 candidate, though his/her first choice was not infantry so I'm assuming they passed on it and I got it. In any case, the recruiter suggested there would be more spots opening up in April re: infantry DEO. As for other combat arms trades, I can't speculate.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: trigger on March 12, 2011, 08:00:58
Just got an enrollment offer for DEO Infantry. BMOQ should start May 9.

To be honest the feeling is a little overwhelming, which is odd considering I've been waiting for this for a considerable amount of time.


I hear ya.  I have about 11 yrs worth of TI and I just got on offer for a remuster to a trade I applied for year after year and never got. The fact that it's happening is overwhelming me alot more than I expected it to.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: mwc on March 12, 2011, 11:44:59
I got the call because an infantry DEO spot had opened up in March. It has nothing to do with how long my papers were in. I was no. 2 on the merit list (according to a recruiting officer) and the position was offered to the no.1 candidate, though his/her first choice was not infantry so I'm assuming they passed on it and I got it. In any case, the recruiter suggested there would be more spots opening up in April re: infantry DEO. As for other combat arms trades, I can't speculate.

So, you would say that you have been waiting for a while? Not like you applied this year? That's what I was getting at.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: steve_newsom on March 12, 2011, 13:48:11
So, you would say that you have been waiting for a while? Not like you applied this year? That's what I was getting at.

That's fair. God knows I've been waiting for a while.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Litts12 on March 14, 2011, 18:56:35
Hi everyone. I applied this past May in this order for Artillery, Armoured Soldier, and Infantry. I know someone who is starting basic in April for Artillery, and I have seen people on here say the same. I called my local CFRC today to check in, and they told me Artillery and all  my choices are still closed and they do not know when they will open. Why do I keep getting different answers from different people I talk too? Any suggestions on what else I can do, I have no problem waiting it out, im just starting to wonder what my local CFRC is doing with my application and why im getting different answers? Any input would be great. Thanks.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Occam on March 14, 2011, 19:21:07
Hi everyone. I applied this past May in this order for Artillery, Armoured Soldier, and Infantry. I know someone who is starting basic in April for Artillery, and I have seen people on here say the same. I called my local CFRC today to check in, and they told me Artillery and all  my choices are still closed and they do not know when they will open. Why do I keep getting different answers from different people I talk too? Any suggestions on what else I can do, I have no problem waiting it out, im just starting to wonder what my local CFRC is doing with my application and why im getting different answers? Any input would be great. Thanks.

When did these "other people" get their offers of employment?  I'll bet it was prior to the trades being closed.

If they're telling you the trades are closed, the trades are closed.  It's not personal, don't make it out that way.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Litts12 on March 14, 2011, 19:36:03
Ill have to ask my buddy when he got his, I just know i talked to him a few days ago and he said he is starting basic in April for Artillery and I seen some people online say the same. Makes sense though. Im just hoping to get in soon to get my Medical, and CFAT out of the way. Hoping I can get in this year instead of waiting another year. But I guess i talked to them today, got the update. Thats really all I can personally do for now then. Just wait it out some more.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: StepDad on March 15, 2011, 20:07:00
There seems to be some contradictions coming various quarters. According to a Private that I just talked to in my garage a few minutes ago, the CAF, as a whole has to shed 4,000 bodies to meet the budget cut backs set by the Government for the next few years. He is in a mechanical trade and said that his Sargeant told his guys this last week.
A medic that I also know has basically said the same thing. Apparently, the Land Forces, will make many of their cuts to the Infantry as Afghanistan is no longer a priority. Apparently the PAT Platoons are full to overflowing. The medic said that they are now almost looking for people who screw up big time so that they can be given their walking papers. This seems to be a contradiction with what recruiters are telling people.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Nostix on March 15, 2011, 20:32:04
I don't see the contradiction.

Rumor mill says some trades have too many people. Recruiters say certain trades have too many people, trades might not open, don't hold your breath.

What's the problem?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on March 15, 2011, 20:33:42
I don't see the contradiction.

Rumor mill says some trades have too many people. Recruiters say certain trades have too many people, trades might not open, don't hold your breath.

What's the problem?

The point is that eveyrone should just STFU.

The CF will hire who it needs to hire, and release who it needs to get rid of.

None of the speculatros here control any of that.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: StepDad on March 16, 2011, 10:24:14
I don't know but it seems to me that when two different trades, one in Borden and the other Pet, are given the same line , the NCO's giving it out must singing from the hymn book.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: riderzx6rr on March 16, 2011, 19:30:33
So not trying to start a fight, just passing on the info i received... I called today at 3pm , the Calgary recruiting centre , and the Recruiter on the phone SAID " Infantry is closed and they have no idea if they will be hiring Next year 2012", " Other trades are open in the combat arms with limited numbers that you can apply for right now". So don't start calling me an idiot , I'm simply passing on the info i have been giving in CALGARY .AB recruiting centre. Just so people don't get their hopes up, Maybe the guy on the other line does not have a clue what he is talking about , just had to reply to this thread! If you really want Infantry then you just call every month and hope they say "Yes we are hiring come in and apply for infantry" until then, you just keep moving forward with life ! :)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on March 16, 2011, 22:24:55
So not trying to start a fight, just passing on the info i received... I called today at 3pm , the Calgary recruiting centre , and the Recruiter on the phone SAID " Infantry is closed and they have no idea if they will be hiring Next year 2012", " Other trades are open in the combat arms with limited numbers that you can apply for right now". So don't start calling me an idiot , I'm simply passing on the info i have been giving in CALGARY .AB recruiting centre. Just so people don't get their hopes up, Maybe the guy on the other line does not have a clue what he is talking about , just had to reply to this thread! If you really want Infantry then you just call every month and hope they say "Yes we are hiring come in and apply for infantry" until then, you just keep moving forward with life ! :)

How often have we posted the information that the Infantry is approx 1500 people overborn right now.  That means no recruiting for Infantry until those 1500 and approx half that number again, lets say up to a total of 2500 people leave the Infantry for other Trades or on Release.  How long will this take?  Maybe two or three years.  If you want to bother the CFRC monthly to be told that Infantry is closed for the next two or three years, feel free to ignore this info.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on March 16, 2011, 22:27:21
How often

One more time ought to do it.........
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Cloud on March 18, 2011, 04:46:23
Funny i called and they said nothing in the combat arms open till april 1st?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Occam on March 18, 2011, 10:08:03
Funny i called and they said nothing in the combat arms open till april 1st?

(https://Army.ca/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi893.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fac134%2FOccam_photos%2Ffacepalm1.gif&hash=778fa9450a1ec12c34d263359bc102ce)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Cloud on March 18, 2011, 12:13:55
I didnt mean infantry, I just meant that to the person saying that the combat arms opened up. I think the recruiter told him they will open up, not that they are open up. Again excluding infantry
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Daavdablo on March 18, 2011, 16:01:13
How often have we posted the information that the Infantry is approx 1500 people overborn right now.  That means no recruiting for Infantry until those 1500 and approx half that number again, lets say up to a total of 2500 people leave the Infantry for other Trades or on Release.  How long will this take?  Maybe two or three years.  If you want to bother the CFRC monthly to be told that Infantry is closed for the next two or three years, feel free to ignore this info.

Just curious if there is any information as to approx how many of the personnel included in these numbers are not yet on battalion for what ever reason? (whether on PAT Platoon, etc.?) Not that this info would change matters at all but for general curiosity sake would be rather interesting to know.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Sigil on March 18, 2011, 20:08:56
MARS will be open again in the new FY. My CFRC said it would be a more competitive trade this year though, as fewer spots are available.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: FFmedic03 on March 18, 2011, 22:48:58
MARS ?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on March 18, 2011, 22:59:01
MARS ?

Maritime Surface and Sub-Surface..........

Look it up
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: gcclarke on March 19, 2011, 04:08:53
Folks in the military talking in acronyms? No, that would never happen!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Red_Snapper on March 19, 2011, 06:11:29
Anyone on here CT'ing (PRes to Reg Armoured) here anything as of lately?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: SevenSixTwo on March 19, 2011, 11:43:06
Anyone on here CT'ing (PRes to Reg Armoured) here anything as of lately?

No, but I have heard of people CTing to Reg Armoured. Won't be open until April 1st.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PuckChaser on March 19, 2011, 13:14:48
If it opens on April 1st you mean. Don't want to get everyone's hopes up.  ;D
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: SevenSixTwo on March 19, 2011, 22:58:40
If it opens on April 1st you mean. Don't want to get everyone's hopes up.  ;D

Of course :D

What I meant is the new SIP Intake won't be available until April 1st

;D
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Waters81 on March 21, 2011, 20:53:05
Just curious as to whether or not anyone has inquired or has any info on the 'Combat Engineer' trade. I've been trying to get in for almost 3 years now. My first choice is 'Infantry' but I'm beginning to look at it realistically now,and it may not happen for another couple of years, and I doubt a 31 year old would be their top choice when it opens up.
I actually called my CFRC about getting into another trade, but they told me that because I had been trying for almost 3 yearsm they wont let me go for any other trade. It it bad that they know my phone # when I call?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Gab3008 on March 22, 2011, 15:22:21
someone knows when there will be positions for sonar operator? ???
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: DanKnee on March 22, 2011, 15:26:46
Here is a great answer from Michael O'Leary in another topic. (http://forums.milnet.ca/forums/index.php/topic,100002.msg1028583/boardseen.html#new)


Can any of us say what numbers will be taken in after 1 April - no.

Do any of us know what kind of intakes will happen through the rest of the year to 1 April 2012 - no.

Will this situation last forever - no, only until the number balances sorts itself out through attrition (releases, Component Transfers, changes of trades, etc.).

Exactly when will it be "fixed" - no-one can say.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PuckChaser on March 22, 2011, 15:29:59
someone knows when there will be positions for sonar operator? ???

Yep, right around the time we need Sonar Operators and there aren't too many waiting in the training system for their course.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Gab3008 on March 22, 2011, 15:58:50
Yep, right around the time we need Sonar Operators and there aren't too many waiting in the training system for their course.

They told me soon like in april may  but it's when i will likely receive a position or start the BMQ?

i would also like to add that my processus is already completed i just wait for a position
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PuckChaser on March 22, 2011, 16:25:56
Wait for a phone call then. Speculating anything after 1 Apr 11 is futile.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Gab3008 on March 22, 2011, 16:28:25
Wait for a phone call then. Speculating anything after 1 Apr 11 is futile.

what does that mean sorry i'm french canadian , i dont understand the word futile so i dont understand the sentence at all :S
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PuckChaser on March 22, 2011, 16:35:00
No one knows what will happen after 1 April 2011, so just wait for your phone call for your spot. You're finished the process, and they will offer you a spot when it becomes available.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Journeyman on March 22, 2011, 16:35:11
what does that mean sorry i'm french canadian , i dont understand the word futile so i dont understand the sentence at all :S

Futile est le même mot en français.....une perte de temps
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Gab3008 on March 22, 2011, 16:51:48
Futile est le même mot en français.....une perte de temps

désoler dans ma tête je croyais que ça avait une autre signification (en français) et quand je prenais cette signification cela n'avait aucun sens dans la phrase en anglais
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ComplexR3TRO on March 29, 2011, 02:33:14
I really do hope Infantry opens up!  ::)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: lethalLemon on March 29, 2011, 02:53:51
Well, here's to hoping that Armoured and Military Police gain openings in the turn over of the Fiscal year...  :-\
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Cloud on March 29, 2011, 17:21:45
Well, here's to hoping that Armoured and Military Police gain openings in the turn over of the Fiscal year...  :-\

Agreed.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Waters81 on March 30, 2011, 17:42:17
I really do hope Infantry opens up!  ::)
I've been told that there are some positions available, however, they are minimal. I've had every appendage crossed for months in anticipation, two more days and hopefully the wait will be over.
Good luck to you
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: C Sab on March 30, 2011, 18:06:33
Well I went down to the Oshawa Recruiting Centre yesterday to apply for Signal Operator, but was told it's now closed. I also was told Infantry was actually open, but if I wanted to join now I should have applied for it a year ago, due to how many applicants there are.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: dapaterson on March 30, 2011, 18:39:41
Well I went down to the Oshawa Recruiting Centre yesterday to apply for Signal Operator, but was told it's now closed. I also was told Infantry was actually open, but if I wanted to join now I should have applied for it a year ago, due to how many applicants there are.

Infantry is not the same as infantryman.  Infantry = Officer.  Infantryman = NCM.

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: C Sab on March 30, 2011, 20:03:48
Infantry is not the same as infantryman.  Infantry = Officer.  Infantryman = NCM.
Oh I thought it was just spelt wrong, but on the sheet I got Infantryman was listed as open.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Waters81 on March 30, 2011, 21:12:48
If i'm not mistaken, Infantry refers to the group term, Infantryman/women or infanteer refers to the individual and Infantry Officer is pretty much self explanitory. NCO is a "Non-Commisioned Officer".
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Waters81 on March 30, 2011, 21:31:11
Sorry, the acronym was NCM not NCO, my mistake.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: agc on March 30, 2011, 21:34:27
Well I went down to the Oshawa Recruiting Centre yesterday to apply for Signal Operator, but was told it's now closed. I also was told Infantry was actually open, but if I wanted to join now I should have applied for it a year ago, due to how many applicants there are.

Sig Op is part of the ACISS trade now.  I personally would go back and see them again.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PuckChaser on March 30, 2011, 22:09:57
Well I went down to the Oshawa Recruiting Centre yesterday to apply for Signal Operator, but was told it's now closed.

That'll change shortly... SigOp is the only Sigs trade that is recruiting right now, as its becoming the feeder trade for LCIS and Linemen. I have a feeling it'll open again in the summer when we get more DP1 courses off the ground and clear up the training system.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Waters81 on March 30, 2011, 23:07:01
A couple of quick questions.
Why is it when I spoke to a recruiter on-line, he informed me that a few spots are available for infantry, but when I called my recruiting office, they said that nothing is available?
Secondly, are certain recruiting offices able to hire more people for a certain trade? Meaning office A has 20 positions available for infantry, office B has 15 positions and office C has 40. Maybe a dumb question, but just thought I'd ask.
And finally, What if I am out of town with work and I get a call saying that there is a position available, am I able to continue with the process at a different recruiting office, or do I HAVE to go to the office that I started the process at? The reason I am asking is because I am slated to go to Alberta for work in mid May for a few months but am hesitant to go in case my chosen trade is available.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Michael O'Leary on March 30, 2011, 23:25:03
A couple of quick questions.
Why is it when I spoke to a recruiter on-line, he informed me that a few spots are available for infantry, but when I called my recruiting office, they said that nothing is available?
Secondly, are certain recruiting offices able to hire more people for a certain trade? Meaning office A has 20 positions available for infantry, office B has 15 positions and office C has 40. Maybe a dumb question, but just thought I'd ask.
And finally, What if I am out of town with work and I get a call saying that there is a position available, am I able to continue with the process at a different recruiting office, or do I HAVE to go to the office that I started the process at? The reason I am asking is because I am slated to go to Alberta for work in mid May for a few months but am hesitant to go in case my chosen trade is available.

A lot depends on who you talk to and when. The online recruiter might see national figures. After he sees them someone else identifies where they go based on the merit list. If your CFRC didn't have someone who made the cut, then your local recruiter won't know of any open positions.

For allocation of spots, again, it depends on the merit list. If they have 100 openings, and the first 20 are all from northern Alberta, that's where they are going because those applicants merited higher than anyone else in the country. And so on down the list, that's why there is a merit list, so that the positions get sent to the locations with the most suitable candidates that have already been identified and merited. It's not an even distribution by location, or any other factor driving where the offers go.

If you are going to be out of town - TELL YOUR RECRUITING CENTRE, they will advise you of what you need to do.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Waters81 on March 31, 2011, 01:49:53
Well, here's hoping I made that list. I appreciate the help, thanks.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: agc on March 31, 2011, 21:08:12
A couple of quick questions.
Why is it when I spoke to a recruiter on-line, he informed me that a few spots are available for infantry, but when I called my recruiting office, they said that nothing is available?

Technically, there are some spots available.  New applications won't be accepted though, as there are enough on the merit list to fill the positions already.  Ergo it is a waste of time and money to interview new people.

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Secondly, are certain recruiting offices able to hire more people for a certain trade? Meaning office A has 20 positions available for infantry, office B has 15 positions and office C has 40. Maybe a dumb question, but just thought I'd ask.

Some recruiting centres are responsible for bigger populations than others.

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And finally, What if I am out of town with work and I get a call saying that there is a position available, am I able to continue with the process at a different recruiting office, or do I HAVE to go to the office that I started the process at? The reason I am asking is because I am slated to go to Alberta for work in mid May for a few months but am hesitant to go in case my chosen trade is available.

You can move your application to a different office.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: TBGal on March 31, 2011, 21:17:28
I have been following this forum for approximately 6 months now, and this would be my first reply so excuse me if this is repeated but I am not finding much information. I am applying for DEO Nurse, have been in application process since July of 2010, CFAT, medical, and interview completed. Merit listed following interview the end of January. I have been nursing for 2 years with critical care(1 year) and supervisory experience(1 year), and my profile was listed as "competitive", relating to leadership certification and GPA for high school and University. I have been reading various responses but have found very little on DEO Nurse and application stories with this profession. I spoke with my civilian file manager last week and she stated that she received rough estimation of numbers (16 nationally and 2 regionally) and would not comment on my place on the merit list as she stated this can change from day to day, minute to minute(which I can understand). I am looking for anyone words of experience, and being new to this process understanding terminology can be difficult. Do these numbers sound good, are there usually many applications for DEO Nurse? Again, I am posting for guidance and support, and I understand I must hurry up and wait but just hoping that someone can hopefull speak from experience.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Waters81 on March 31, 2011, 23:14:32
Are the recruiters not privy to the information regarding the number of positions available for certain trades?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: GAP on March 31, 2011, 23:28:10
Are the recruiters not privy to the information regarding the number of positions available for certain trades?

They would be at 8:00 am 1 April
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Cloud on April 01, 2011, 02:50:51
I would hate to be working at the RC on April 1st.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Journeyman on April 01, 2011, 02:58:29
I would hate to be working at the RC on April 1st.
I would hate to be a Mod on this site on April 1st
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Mikhail on April 01, 2011, 04:15:54
(Raises his cup of tea.)

Here's to all of us applicants meeting somewhere past the green door.

May our patience and determination be one more measure of our worth.

Good luck to us all. (Sips tea)




Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Booty22 on April 01, 2011, 05:11:06
Well on the Forces.ca site, they have the stars that represent jobs indamand colored red now opposed to black(which was like yesterday/the day before).

My first pick of a trade is in demand  :nod:  I wonder if I should go down there today?

Or wait until Monday morning
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Sigil on April 01, 2011, 06:24:52
Well on the Forces.ca site, they have the stars that represent jobs indamand colored red now opposed to black(which was like yesterday/the day before).

My first pick of a trade is in demand  :nod:  I wonder if I should go down there today?

Or wait until Monday morning

And in addition to the red stars, they took off a couple of the in demand/accepting apps trades and added one or two others. I don't know if I should be ashamed that I'm checking the website enough to know that...  ;D

As far as going down there, I think I'd go today if I was a new applicant. Get my CFAT/medical/interview dates scheduled as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Booty22 on April 01, 2011, 07:02:05
And in addition to the red stars, they took off a couple of the in demand/accepting apps trades and added one or two others. I don't know if I should be ashamed that I'm checking the website enough to know that...  ;D

As far as going down there, I think I'd go today if I was a new applicant. Get my CFAT/medical/interview dates scheduled as soon as possible.



I have had my CFAT/medical/interview already. My recruiter told me it would be about 2-3 weeks before I heard anything. That was March 17th 2011.

I'm just thinking of dropping by and saying hi. And to see if there is anymore news on my status/timeline of swearing in.

My CFAT/interview/medical  Whent perfectly, there was no problems at all.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Booty22 on April 01, 2011, 09:01:44
Well I decided to go down to the recruiting office.... Glad I did.  I was told I will definatly get a job as a mar eng mech ;D

He told me I got a 67 in my CFAT, he said is was a awesome score.

What is the highest score you can achieve?

I was also informed I'll most likely get a call some time in the middle of this month.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: kratz on April 01, 2011, 10:21:42
I would hate to be a Mod on this site on April 1st

With all the hand wringing and gnashing of teeth on these boards the past few weeks, I was thinking the same thing.  :nod:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Michael O'Leary on April 01, 2011, 10:26:03
What is the highest score you can achieve?

100%

More if you're bi-winning.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Gab3008 on April 01, 2011, 10:36:23
should i call to know what to expect now that we are on april 1st?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: denimboy on April 01, 2011, 10:42:28
I just called the CFRC and they told me they would take applications for the Combat Arms trades including Infantry.

Some papers I need are at home and I'm at my job right now and I wonder if I go Monday will it be too late..  ???

There's about 50 people already waiting at CFRC and I'm willing to take the afternoon off but since I'm applying for Infantry and it will likely be filled with merit listed people I just don't know if it makes any difference going today or Monday. Can the applications possibly close after one day?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Dou You on April 01, 2011, 11:57:07
More if you're bi-winning.

Hahaha...priceless.

In order to get a score of more than 100% though, you must also have tigerblood. That's key.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Fiera on April 01, 2011, 11:58:12
Hahaha...priceless.

In order to get a score of more than 100% though, you must also have tigerblood. That's key.

Don't forget Adonis DNA
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: SevenSixTwo on April 01, 2011, 12:01:51
Well I decided to go down to the recruiting office.... Glad I did.  I was told I will definatly get a job as a mar eng mech ;D

He told me I got a 67 in my CFAT, he said is was a awesome score.

What is the highest score you can achieve?

I was also informed I'll most likely get a call some time in the middle of this month.


Funny, I thought you weren't allowed to be told CFAT scores only what your eligible for.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: hamr37 on April 01, 2011, 12:24:38
I was told my score last year.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Infared on April 01, 2011, 14:33:27
This weekend is going to be terrible.

Agreed!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: generalmeng on April 01, 2011, 15:41:23
Well I decided to go down to the recruiting office.... Glad I did.  I was told I will definatly get a job as a mar eng mech ;D

He told me I got a 67 in my CFAT, he said is was a awesome score.

What is the highest score you can achieve?

I was also informed I'll most likely get a call some time in the middle of this month.

let's see, there were 30 question for math, 15 for language and 15 for 3D stuff, how do you get 7 over 60? if that is percent, than 67% of 60 isnt really that high
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on April 01, 2011, 15:45:57
let's see, there were 30 question for math, 15 for language and 15 for 3D stuff, how do you get 7 over 60? if that is percent, than 67% of 60 isnt really that high

So what ?

Why can't people just accept that when it comes to the CFAT, you either qualify for your trade or you don't. What the actual score was means jacks**t beyond that.

Let it f'ing go.

 ::)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: generalmeng on April 01, 2011, 15:47:30
because some people like to brag about their score...... it some how make their epee feel bigger
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Animatronic Fireman on April 01, 2011, 15:54:14
Do different Officer positions have different CFAT score requirements?  I wrote it on Wednesday and the recruiter said I qualified for an Officer but he also thought I was applying for a Logistics Officer but my actual preference was a MARS Officer.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: mwc on April 01, 2011, 16:33:03
I went in today (applied 5 July 2010, Inf/CE/Armoured) They said only Infantry was open (not for long obviously). They booked me to write my CFAT Monday (finally :)) but then called me 2 hours later to cancel (:(). Something about me not scoring high enough?? Possibly my high school grades since my College education is irrelevant.

edit: I meant 5/07/2010
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Sizzle on April 01, 2011, 16:47:25
Sitting here Patiently awaiting my offer for ACISS (If its coming). I am merit listed so I think it should be sometime within the next couple weeks :)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: StonedViper on April 01, 2011, 17:09:01
I called the CFRC today recruiter said that my file is already
With a Captain or a committee deliberating whether I'm fit in the
Occupation that I applied for saying that I would get a call in the next week or so
Just waiting patiently :)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: lethalLemon on April 01, 2011, 17:19:37
That's odd. They must have a way of scoring applications (Maybe they look at your volunteer history, etc) But I don't have my High School Diploma, and I still qualified for 2/3 of my trade selections after the minimum standards increase. If you have your High School complete I'd imagine you would score higher then I. So there must be another factor...  My guess is based on the sheer volume of people who have applied for Combat Arms they just decided it wouldn't be ideal to start processing you. (As everything would be full by the time you finished anyways)
 Well, hopefully you could find another trade that interests you, MWC. The PO2 at the CFRC I go to told me that Vehicle Tech is recruiting 200+ people. Maybe that's something you're interested in?  If not, maybe a reserve unit. I know that's my Plan B.  The Cadet unit I parade with (Yes I am only 18 :P), one of the staff there is actually the recruiter for a local unit, and I had no idea. I just saw his name on the reserve unit list today.  But that could always be an option for you.
Good luck on your decision MWC.


Also, what trades did you apply for StonedViper?

The suspense is unbearable. The Med Staff doesn't return to CFRC Van until next week, I'm hoping to be a second generation Strathcona... Nothing would make me any happier.

But I put Aerospace Control Operator as my #2. It's a cool looking job, and I should end up back on civvie street, I can work for NavCanada
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: denimboy on April 01, 2011, 17:56:17
I went to CFRC (Montreal) today. To give you and idea, the recruiter met with about 115 people (he said 105 and there was more than 10 still waiting).
However there is so many applications that if you go on Monday, it would not make a difference since they haven't got time to enter them into database yet.

And regarding my application, well I forgot to fill the background check document so I could not complete it today. They wouldn't take applications nor give the application bundle for this trade prior to this day so I printed the on line document and completely forgot that part.
I will try to complete it before it closes again. He took the time to look at my application form and said I would have good chances because I scored high in the "priority of process" (don't know what it's called officially).
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Dou You on April 01, 2011, 18:21:16
Do different Officer positions have different CFAT score requirements?  I wrote it on Wednesday and the recruiter said I qualified for an Officer but he also thought I was applying for a Logistics Officer but my actual preference was a MARS Officer.

When I took the CFAT I noticed all other applicants who wrote it on the same day had lists of trades they qualified for however I didn't. I asked why I didn't have a list and they said, "You passed for Officer, that's all you need to know."

Basically if you qualify for one Officer trade, you qualify for all Officer trades...that's how I understood that statement.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Sigil on April 01, 2011, 18:22:11
Do different Officer positions have different CFAT score requirements?

I've heard (but am not 100% certain) that all officer trades require the same score, with AEC being the one exception.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Waters81 on April 01, 2011, 21:11:22
So here's my conundrum. I originally signed up in 2009, did my aptitude test and medical and had one interview. At that point my process ended because I had some outstanding financial issues. I had them taken care of within 6 months, went back to my CFRC and they said "great, but we have nothing for you at this point. Call back in the spring". So that's what I've been doing, however, the CFRC Mississauga is only open Tues & Thurs and I'll be damned if they answer the phone 25% of the time. Not sure what to do or how to approach this. Can I transfer my file to the Toronto RC? Would my file even be up for consideration for infantry or on the merit list at this point?  Will I have to do this whole damn process all over again?! I don't mean to pester, but any help would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: acooper on April 01, 2011, 23:24:55
The recruiting office is going to be CRAZY busy because EVERYONE is pestering. Leave a phone message and let the recruiter get back to you.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Waters81 on April 01, 2011, 23:42:27
The thing I don't understand is the whole "based on merit" and "merit list" that everyone keeps referring to.  Who comprises this list? Are they applicants who have already done the whole recruiting process (interviews and such) and are just waiting for the "we have a position for you"? or are they like myself and thousands of others who have to now go in, reapply, and rely on a hope and a prayer to get in?

And believe me when I say, I have left plenty of messages...and they have maybe called me back a couple of times. I understand that they are very busy right now, but I just don't want to miss my opportunity.

Sorry, let me clarify my question. The last time I was at the RC, they weren't hiring for my desired position, at that point, my file had already been closed. What I should have asked was, would my application be under consideration for a position at this point?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Waters81 on April 01, 2011, 23:53:49
Sorry, I didn't see the "Merit List" post under "Trades Open/Closed?". :facepalm:                                           I've got my answer...and it's looking grim for me this time around. I think I may have to start from square one  :'(
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Tapt on April 02, 2011, 12:53:49
Quick Q: When was the last time anyone saw the MPO trade open?

I've been keeping my eye open since I finished my degree and haven't had much luck... D:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ringknocker82 on April 02, 2011, 13:21:15
So here's my conundrum. I originally signed up in 2009, did my aptitude test and medical and had one interview. At that point my process ended because I had some outstanding financial issues. I had them taken care of within 6 months, went back to my CFRC and they said "great, but we have nothing for you at this point. Call back in the spring". So that's what I've been doing, however, the CFRC Mississauga is only open Tues & Thurs and I'll be damned if they answer the phone 25% of the time. Not sure what to do or how to approach this. Can I transfer my file to the Toronto RC? Would my file even be up for consideration for infantry or on the merit list at this point?  Will I have to do this whole damn process all over again?! I don't mean to pester, but any help would be greatly appreciated.

Wow, I can tell by your postings that you're extremely frustrated, and I feel for you. Ok, I want to be very clear, I'm not claiming to be an expert by any means, but I did go through the recruiting process three times (reserves, reg force and now reg force again), my hubby just finished his recruiting process (leaves for BMQ next week) and I worked in the Hamilton RC for a summer OJT. Mind you, that was back when we would do anything short of kidnap civvies to bring in new applicants, we were so desperate. Just to clarify some things for you; I think the main reason your app was closed was because the trade you were applying to was closed for processing. Some trades are closed, but apps can still be processed, but others, like MARS and LOG are closed for processing, which means the RC cannot process these apps. Merit listed simply means that you have met all the requirements for a certain trade and you are placed based on the strength of your application.  Also, I'm pretty sure, not positive, that although you're going to Mississauga RC, your file is actually being handled at the TO RC. Therefore, you are probably better off going to CFRC TO. Don't get frustrated, trades are already opening up, just be persistent and jump through some CF hoops, it's worth it. Good luck :)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Booty22 on April 02, 2011, 15:01:16
let's see, there were 30 question for math, 15 for language and 15 for 3D stuff, how do you get 7 over 60? if that is percent, than 67% of 60 isnt really that high


No it is not impressive at all. If it was out of 100%.

I was just stating what my recruiter told me.

I know have a another question.

Could the recruiter see on the computer, the other applicants scores for the same trade?

I'm merit listed. But from what I have read here, it could take a really long time before my name comes to the top of the list.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Dexen on April 02, 2011, 18:31:30
When he told you 67 it meant you were in the 67th percentile, meaning you did better then 67% of people. I scored in the 66 percentile, the recruiter tried to explained what all the different numbers meant but it was pretty complicated.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Booty22 on April 02, 2011, 19:38:45
When he told you 67 it meant you were in the 67th percentile, meaning you did better then 67% of people. I scored in the 66 percentile and the recruited tried to explained what all the different numbers meant and how its scored, but it is pretty complicated how they score the tests.


That makes alot of sence.

Thanks for a little clarity to what 67 ment :salute:

What job/trade/element are you joining?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: GMK on April 02, 2011, 21:35:07
Good Day,

Just curious if any one out there knows how many positions are opened nationally for AC Operator?

Thank you.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Dexen on April 02, 2011, 22:14:29
My first choice was Sonar OP (no longer have any intention on taking that trade) NESOP and AESOP.  I submitted my application mid Jan, supposedly my application has been with bookings to setup my interview and medical for about 2 months now. I wrote the CFAT in November in a "test no file" session. It seems the Halifax CFRC moves slower then most based on what I hear from other provinces. I was told my application is competitive and scored a 4/5 so 2 months seems excessive. All I can do is be patient and hope for the best I guess.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Dexen on April 03, 2011, 16:42:10
Two months seems excessive? Try the 10 months I've been waiting on the Merit List, or the 2+ years some other guys have been waiting to get in...

I been in the process since last May, the first time I applied in May all my choices closed on me before I could accomplish anything.  Consider yourself lucky you are even on a merit list, I cant even get an interview or medical appointment. My application as ive been told is highly competitive as well. Some guys in other provinces are applying for trades not in demand and then a week later on a merit list. That is where my frustration lies.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: standingdown on April 03, 2011, 16:45:27
I'd happily give you guys my spot in the CF, but I need the money...

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Animatronic Fireman on April 04, 2011, 11:48:12
Thanks for the replies Stacked, Dou You and Sigil.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: lateralus on April 04, 2011, 16:50:13
Guess i'll share what i've found out for my situation.  I was merit listed for just over three months last year then had to have my file closed due to no positions being available till at least April/11.  Called April 1st and was called back today and found out due to the few amount of positions available in general (even lower than last year), everything is much more competitive now.  There's a score you're given out of five, based on your application (work experience, education, activities and interests).  Based on the trades i had chosen, i needed at least a 4 and i got 3.  I was told what hurt me was the fact i don't have enough activities and interests, (which they deem as clubs, cadets, committees) and no post secondary education.  So basically, what never hurt me before at all, is in fact now doing just that.  My options are to either wait for that required score out of five to come down or to pick another trade that requires a lower score.  Being that there were only 1 or 2 slots for the positions i chose, i'm thinking the latter will make more sense, as i imagine those few spots will be gone very soon.  Disappointed to say the least, but it is what it is.  The waiting game is a hard game to play, and then to be turned away is truly frustrating and discouraging. However, i do understand when there are so few positions available, it only makes sense to take the best of the best.  What i have trouble with is being told the fact i lack having involvement with clubs, cadets, or committees, is a contributing factor to why my application isn't competitive anymore. 
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: lateralus on April 04, 2011, 17:14:21
Yea, it is what it is.  Hope everything works out for you as well. 
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Cloud on April 04, 2011, 18:03:45
Guess i'll share what i've found out for my situation.  I was merit listed for just over three months last year then had to have my file closed due to no positions being available till at least April/11.  Called April 1st and was called back today and found out due to the few amount of positions available in general (even lower than last year), everything is much more competitive now.  There's a score you're given out of five, based on your application (work experience, education, activities and interests).  Based on the trades i had chosen, i needed at least a 4 and i got 3.  I was told what hurt me was the fact i don't have enough activities and interests, (which they deem as clubs, cadets, committees) and no post secondary education.  So basically, what never hurt me before at all, is in fact now doing just that.  My options are to either wait for that required score out of five to come down or to pick another trade that requires a lower score.  Being that there were only 1 or 2 slots for the positions i chose, i'm thinking the latter will make more sense, as i imagine those few spots will be gone very soon.  Disappointed to say the least, but it is what it is.  The waiting game is a hard game to play, and then to be turned away is truly frustrating and discouraging. However, i do understand when there are so few positions available, it only makes sense to take the best of the best.  What i have trouble with is being told the fact i lack having involvement with clubs, cadets, or committees, is a contributing factor to why my application isn't competitive anymore.

Ouch.. That's just hard to hear. Wish the best of luck to you. Hope everything turns out for you!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: mwc on April 04, 2011, 19:16:28
Guess i'll share what i've found out for my situation.  I was merit listed for just over three months last year then had to have my file closed due to no positions being available till at least April/11.  Called April 1st and was called back today and found out due to the few amount of positions available in general (even lower than last year), everything is much more competitive now.  There's a score you're given out of five, based on your application (work experience, education, activities and interests).  Based on the trades i had chosen, i needed at least a 4 and i got 3.  I was told what hurt me was the fact i don't have enough activities and interests, (which they deem as clubs, cadets, committees) and no post secondary education.  So basically, what never hurt me before at all, is in fact now doing just that.  My options are to either wait for that required score out of five to come down or to pick another trade that requires a lower score.  Being that there were only 1 or 2 slots for the positions i chose, i'm thinking the latter will make more sense, as i imagine those few spots will be gone very soon.  Disappointed to say the least, but it is what it is.  The waiting game is a hard game to play, and then to be turned away is truly frustrating and discouraging. However, i do understand when there are so few positions available, it only makes sense to take the best of the best.  What i have trouble with is being told the fact i lack having involvement with clubs, cadets, or committees, is a contributing factor to why my application isn't competitive anymore.

Ya, pretty sure that's what happened to me. I didn't really think filling out activities and clubs were that important. Might have to update all that stuff in a month or so, and hopefully the shiny College Diploma I'll receive in a month helps too!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Sample2K7 on April 04, 2011, 20:09:56
Guess i'll share what i've found out for my situation.  I was merit listed for just over three months last year then had to have my file closed due to no positions being available till at least April/11.  Called April 1st and was called back today and found out due to the few amount of positions available in general (even lower than last year), everything is much more competitive now.  There's a score you're given out of five, based on your application (work experience, education, activities and interests).  Based on the trades i had chosen, i needed at least a 4 and i got 3.  I was told what hurt me was the fact i don't have enough activities and interests, (which they deem as clubs, cadets, committees) and no post secondary education.  So basically, what never hurt me before at all, is in fact now doing just that.  My options are to either wait for that required score out of five to come down or to pick another trade that requires a lower score.  Being that there were only 1 or 2 slots for the positions i chose, i'm thinking the latter will make more sense, as i imagine those few spots will be gone very soon.  Disappointed to say the least, but it is what it is.  The waiting game is a hard game to play, and then to be turned away is truly frustrating and discouraging. However, i do understand when there are so few positions available, it only makes sense to take the best of the best.  What i have trouble with is being told the fact i lack having involvement with clubs, cadets, or committees, is a contributing factor to why my application isn't competitive anymore.

Hey just wondering what your trade selections were?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Coyner on April 04, 2011, 20:11:10
I have been on the wait list since april 2009 for artillery officer, BMQ qualified with netpo, I am ct'ing from mars to artillery and it has been a long process, finished everything and have been  for over a year/ Been told that i am rdy to go but just no positions.called in march and was told that i am in a deo non-skilled category and there are only 2 positions left and due for my application and scores that i am first in line. called apr 1 now there is a rumor that my app or apps in general go to a selection board but my RC does not know for sure.
I feel like i'll be waiting forever, and now paranoia kicks in.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on April 04, 2011, 20:16:23
I have been on the wait list since april 2009 for artillery officer, mbq qualified with netpo, I a, ct'ing from mars to artillery and it has been a long process, finished everything and hav been too for over a year that i am rdy to go but just no positions.called in mar and was told that i am in a deo non-skilled category and there are only 2 positions left and due for m application and scores that i am firitst line. called apr 1 now there is a rumor that your app or apps in general go to a selection board but my RC does not know for sure.
I feel like i'll be waiting forever, and now paranoia kicks in.

 ???

What the frack is this?  Do you know how to communicate in English?  I can't believe that anyone aspiring to become an officer would have such a poor command of the English language.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: JMesh on April 04, 2011, 20:19:17
I have been on the wait list since april 2009 for artillery officer, mbq qualified with netpo, I a, ct'ing from mars to artillery and it has been a long process, finished everything and hav been too for over a year that i am rdy to go but just no positions.called in mar and was told that i am in a deo non-skilled category and there are only 2 positions left and due for m application and scores that i am firitst line. called apr 1 now there is a rumor that your app or apps in general go to a selection board but my RC does not know for sure.
I feel like i'll be waiting forever, and now paranoia kicks in.

Important point on this site: Use of proper spelling and grammar is mandated IAW site policies.

Also, we try not to deal too much in rumours, because rumours get people ticked off or worried, often without cause. While I appreciate that you're trying to pass on information, if it's only RUMINT, it's detrimental to a lot of already worried or stressed individuals. Thanks.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Coyner on April 04, 2011, 20:21:30
Sorry gents small lattop and the mouse is sensitive, accidents happen and yes i am a officer coming from mars hoping to hit the trenches if the positions are available, recruter says i'm first on the list but rumor has it that apps may go to selection board. don't know if it screws me or i need to wait longer.

again typos happen
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Coyner on April 04, 2011, 20:23:56
apolopgies...i know how you all feel! trust me i do! 2 years....2 long years
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Iron Man on April 04, 2011, 20:51:55
Quick question, Can anyone tell me if this April 1st date for new positions is the same for reserve?
Thank you.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on April 04, 2011, 20:56:52
Quick question, Can anyone tell me if this April 1st date for new positions is the same for reserve?
Thank you.

Reserve units may or may not be recruiting.  It will be different from unit to unit.  It will depend on their SIP and if they have posns avail.  Your best bet is to ask the unit you are interested in, to see if they have any openings. 
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Johansen on April 04, 2011, 23:00:50
For those who are interested, from what my recruiter told me, Infantry has 35 available spots( PPCLI, didn't ask for RCR or Vandoos ), and Crewman has 30 spots nationally.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: SevenSixTwo on April 05, 2011, 01:19:37
For those who are interested, from what my recruiter told me, Infantry has 35 available spots( PPCLI, didn't ask for RCR or Vandoos ), and Crewman has 30 spots nationally.

That is pretty crazy.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: mwc on April 05, 2011, 02:14:40
That is pretty shitty
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: the the on April 05, 2011, 10:58:07
I've had an application in with the the CF for INF since February 2009.
I just received a call today to book an aptitude test. There's a catch though. I also have an application in with the the Royal Marines across the the pond.
Now I'm really torn as to what I should do. I think I'm going to go for the the Royal Marines but keep my file open with the CF as a back up plan.

Just figured I'd let people know who have been waiting 2 + years like me.... there is hope!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Coyner on April 05, 2011, 11:13:29
It is a long haul, but I know it will be worth the wait, once you get that call with an offer, or are you applying off civy street?

I'm just waiting on a offer for reg force artillery and everyday seems to be a long day since I last talked to my career manager.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: jemcgrg on April 05, 2011, 11:37:35
I've had mine in since Feb 2010 and it looks like I'll be waiting another year
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Coyner on April 05, 2011, 11:53:29
Are you a new recruit, or do you have a CT?OT in??
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Iron Man on April 05, 2011, 12:36:56
Reserve units may or may not be recruiting.  It will be different from unit to unit.  It will depend on their SIP and if they have posns avail.  Your best bet is to ask the unit you are interested in, to see if they have any openings.

Thank you for your responce. I have had my application in since Feb 2010, and have done my interview etc.. already. Just waiting 'patiently' like everybody else.  :brickwall:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Coyner on April 05, 2011, 16:00:03
talked to recruiter, wants to schedule in a follow up interview for artillery/CT, good or bad thing?? anybody in the same boat???
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: the the on April 05, 2011, 16:21:34
I'm not as active on this forum as I once was, however I haven't seen the the intake numbers for 2011 posted yet. Is this something that will be posted on here in the the near future?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Daavdablo on April 05, 2011, 16:28:40
talked to recruiter, wants to schedule in a follow up interview for artillery/CT, good or bad thing?? anybody in the same boat???

I had to go in to CFRC Edmonton yesterday for a follow up/update interview as well. I had applied for Infantry/Combat Engineer/Armoured Crewman in the fall of 2009 and was scheduled for an interview in late April 2010. From what I understand, these elements of the application process are only good for one year and have to be updated accordingly.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: SevenSixTwo on April 05, 2011, 17:39:14
talked to recruiter, wants to schedule in a follow up interview for artillery/CT, good or bad thing?? anybody in the same boat???

That`s a good thing, assuming thats the last thing needed for your file to be complete you`ll most likely be merit listed after that.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Coyner on April 05, 2011, 18:51:09
Well I did not get called, I called in to make sure my marital status was up to date , I have been calling atleast monthly since mar 2011 when recruiter said I was top of the list for my category, but is subject to change due to selection boards being involved, but I thought they always were?
Anyways, RC told me that my file is already and mentioned a follow up interview after my first interview for arty/ref force back in feb 2010, I just need a position to open.
I usually never call, because I always thought whats the point, but I don't want to get my hopes up.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Waters81 on April 05, 2011, 23:09:34
I returned to the Mississauga RC to reapply, I highly doubt that I'll get an opportunity this time around seeing as how I'm kind of starting from square one ( having to do my med and interviews again), but I'm curious, would my current job as a construction manager possibly give me a bit of a leg up if/when my file gets reviewed? I've applied for Infantry and Combat Engineer and both are accepting applicants, and yes, I know that the positions available are minimal...but miracles can happen...can't they?
Again, just curious
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Occam on April 05, 2011, 23:17:04
but I'm curious, would my current job as a construction manager possibly give me a bit of a leg up if/when my file gets reviewed?

I'm sorry, we're only offering incentives for goat herders this month.   Please check back next month.

Seriously, there are way too many variables for anyone to say.  Managerial experience always looks nice, but if you get a crappy reference for it, what good is it?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Sleath on April 05, 2011, 23:24:19
I returned to the Mississauga RC to reapply, I highly doubt that I'll get an opportunity this time around seeing as how I'm kind of starting from square one ( having to do my med and interviews again), but I'm curious, would my current job as a construction manager possibly give me a bit of a leg up if/when my file gets reviewed? I've applied for Infantry and Combat Engineer and both are accepting applicants, and yes, I know that the positions available are minimal...but miracles can happen...can't they?
Again, just curious

Good day,

To many factors come into play here, you cant base your application chances on ``one`` mere thing. It could give you an upper hand, but then again not so much on other major factors of the recruitment process. Your quiet lucky that the Mississauga CFRC is handling your file, they transferred my file to the CFRC in Toronto . Best of luck.

regards
sleath
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Waters81 on April 05, 2011, 23:32:16
They may very well transfer mine there as well seeing as how I moved to Toronto not too long ago, but I've been dealing with them since I originally applied in '08, so I figured I'd keep going there. On the other hand CFRC T.O. is open 5 days a week also, opposed to the Tues/Thur that Mississauga is open. We'll see what happens. I'm just getting myself used to the "Hurry up and wait" theory.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: BlueOne on April 06, 2011, 00:34:35
Hi guys, hope my post will help some people,

I've been reapplying since my file where closed because of the trade, closed. They've lost the file, found it and re-lost it, then, today, I went at the Montreal CFRC and they found it again (useless sentence, isn't it?)

So I spoked with the clerk that is in charge of my file and she said (obviously) that there where more applicants than job posting / open trade. But she then told me I was 30, managing a computer business and had more school than most of the applicants so that was the point. She told me that her Captain (the person in charge there) insisted on the fact that they need to hire experimented people with leadership so I was on the good side, even though I had to fill the paperwork again. Anyways, I became an expert filling those papers. I could do it 20 times in a few hours if needed. I am getting used to multiple medical reviews and interviews. She told me that the force will probably merit list me with a "high rank" quoting her words which may result in my application accepted and BMQ ready (yay!)

That's hard to join the military by those days, economic crisis, many people wanting a "protected" job to ensure job security, gov budget lowered, many factors to explain what's happening there... Even army's elders that doesnt want to leave because they fear having trouble finding a job outside the force... I've heard that there where 1000 people over in the army and guess what, they'll have to chop again on the recruiting...

All the best thing I can tell applicants is to continue education, gather experience, hurry up and wait. Everyone's file is different.

Good look to all of you and I really hope to get hired too, it keeps me from sleeping at night, wakes me early in the morning, I miss that more than I miss my girlfriend (lol?)

Future will tell...

Have a good night!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: BlueOne on April 06, 2011, 01:03:45
I had a little trouble reading some of your post, but based on your location I am going to assume English is not your first language. From what I got though, you have the right attitude. Good luck to you.

Thank you,

I've asked to do the BMQ in english because I wan't to immerse and if I'm posted into another province be well understood when I speak... Sorry for my bad english, I am trying :)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: JB 11 11 on April 06, 2011, 05:25:41
Blueone: Your written english is a hundred times better than my written french... wrtting in another language is harder than speaking it (you don't need to know how to spell to talk)....your doing fine ;)

Good Luck!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Gravja on April 06, 2011, 13:46:35
Anyone happen to know when the next round of selection will happen? 

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: big45-70 on April 06, 2011, 14:11:09
I applied for infantry on March 26th and got a call to book my aptitude at the middle of this month.  There appears to be openings in Infantry.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Coyner on April 06, 2011, 14:17:00
I did not know they do rounds for selections, is that just for ncms or/and officers?

 I have recently foundout that I need to do a follow up/update interview in order for my CT processed. Now hopefully someone can inform me more, but are follow-up interviews a good incentive on whats to come or is it just standard procedures for careers managers??
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: mwc on April 06, 2011, 14:40:04
I applied for infantry on March 26th and got a call to book my aptitude at the middle of this month.  There appears to be openings in Infantry.

Ughhh, posts like these are starting to bother me. Why is it that I'm not allowed to write the CFAT and I've been waiting since July? I have only gotten a reply to my emails once (back in the summer) and whenever I call no one picks up and voice mail has been disabled. Sorry for the b*tching.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on April 06, 2011, 15:10:06
I have been on the wait list since april 2009 for artillery officer, BMQ qualified with netpo, I am ct'ing from mars to artillery and it has been a long process, finished everything and have been  for over a year/ Been told that i am rdy to go but just no positions.called in march and was told that i am in a deo non-skilled category and there are only 2 positions left and due for my application and scores that i am first in line. called apr 1 now there is a rumor that my app or apps in general go to a selection board but my RC does not know for sure.
I feel like i'll be waiting forever, and now paranoia kicks in.
Is anyone going through a CT?? I called my RC today and she never heard of a merit list but said i was first in line for my trade? so would that be it???
talked to recruiter, wants to schedule in a follow up interview for artillery/CT, good or bad thing?? anybody in the same boat???
I did not know they do rounds for selections, is that just for ncms or/and officers?

 I have recently foundout that I need to do a follow up/update interview in order for my CT processed. Now hopefully someone can inform me more, but are follow-up interviews a good incentive on whats to come or is it just standard procedures for careers managers??


You really sound like a broken record.  I still can not for the life of me figure out what you are doing, going through a Recruiting Center trying to do a CT.  If you are currently serving, you should be going through your BPSO and DMCARM or D Mil C, not CFRG.  Are you currently a civilian?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Coyner on April 06, 2011, 15:21:25
No I am not enrolled MARS April 2 2008, and I have a file manager but it is at the recruiting centre in Ottawa. Going from Navy to Army so I been dealing with my unit, which is my BPSO and also the RC in Ottawa. Also where I am from you need to do your interviews at the RC as my unit and the area RC are neighbors.

Noticed how "I" capitalized my I's.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Nordwind on April 06, 2011, 16:55:03
I've had an application in with the the CF for INF since February 2009.
I just received a call today to book an aptitude test. There's a catch though. I also have an application in with the the Royal Marines across the the pond.
Now I'm really torn as to what I should do. I think I'm going to go for the the Royal Marines but keep my file open with the CF as a back up plan.

Just figured I'd let people know who have been waiting 2 + years like me.... there is hope!
I'm in the same boat as you bud. I've had my application for Infantry in since July 09, and I'm still waiting. Throughout that time I've considered and inquired about different trades like Combat Engineer and SAR Tech. Seems like they won't be recruiting for the SAR Tech trade from the street anymore so there goes that plan. So like yourself, I've decided to look across the pond at the Royal Marines. I haven't filled anything out yet but have all the information booklets. I just have to contact the Overseas Recruiting Office to get things rolling. I'm not going to give up on the CF just yet. I'm going to stick it out through this recruiting window and see what happens, but if things don't end favorably for me, I'll seriously consider filling out that application to the Royal Marines.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Cloud on April 06, 2011, 16:56:29
Ughhh, posts like these are starting to bother me. Why is it that I'm not allowed to write the CFAT and I've been waiting since July? I have only gotten a reply to my emails once (back in the summer) and whenever I call no one picks up and voice mail has been disabled. Sorry for the b*tching.

Go in and write a "test no file". Means your file is closed but you can write your cfat.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: BlueOne on April 06, 2011, 17:01:12
Hi guys,

The few posts between this one and my last one are very negative and I would like to remember you that you are all great applicants because first off: You have access to the Internet, which means you had the required money to buy at least one computer and have a small network. Which prove that your priorities are straight-forward: You are always looking forward information. Then, you guys are on this board, which makes you a search person that finds anything on the Internet from your brain.

You guys should ONLY first do good with CFAT. Your best shot is there. With no major capabilities, in the age of 18 back in 1998 I've done a so good CFAT (keep in mind that I left school at 16 with a 9th grade completed and a 10th grade being done) and I've scored for any position in the CF.

Hope you guys are doing great and be prepared to be my very next partner. Wish you the best.

Emmanuel
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Sample2K7 on April 06, 2011, 17:58:41
I'm in the same boat as big45-70. I applied march 21 for infantry, combat engineer, and artillery. They photocopied all my stuff and took my application and booked my CFAT on the spot. I go in April 18 for my CFAT. The recruiter told me that when that was completed they would book my medical/interview. Hopefully thats actually how things play out.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: the the on April 06, 2011, 19:11:00
I'm in the same boat as you bud. I've had my application for Infantry in since July 09, and I'm still waiting. Throughout that time I've considered and inquired about different trades like Combat Engineer and SAR Tech. Seems like they won't be recruiting for the SAR Tech trade from the street anymore so there goes that plan. So like yourself, I've decided to look across the pond at the Royal Marines. I haven't filled anything out yet but have all the information booklets. I just have to contact the Overseas Recruiting Office to get things rolling. I'm not going to give up on the CF just yet. I'm going to stick it out through this recruiting window and see what happens, but if things don't end favorably for me, I'll seriously consider filling out that application to the Royal Marines.
Hey,
I was in the the same state of mind as you 6 months ago, which makes sence because it was about a 6 months timeline between when we both applied to the the CF. I reccomend you take a good look at the the Royal Marines (as you clearly already have) and head over to the the PRMC forum they have set up, I'm under the the username "Onetwo" there.
Anyways, I'd rather this topic stick to CF recruiting, so if you have any further questions shoot me a PM on either forum.

http://prmc.royalnavy.mod.uk/
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: StonedViper on April 08, 2011, 23:25:25
I called the CFRC and the recruiter told me that my file is with the "Major"not sure if my file is still with CFRC or in Ottawa wating for the decision to schedule my CFAT, Med, etc.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: miraclarke on April 09, 2011, 12:45:22
I'm glad to see these posts. It could get pretty lonely hanging out in this line-up waiting for a call. I applied online Oct. '09, wrote CFAT Apr. '10, medical in May and waiting since then. I was told to wait until Apr. 1st, 2011. When I saw the "in-demand" designation gone from my trade choice on the forces.ca website, I got discouraged and finally phoned CFRC. I was told I was scheduled for BMQ for 2010 but they had no place to put me, so I have been merit listed for 2011. He also told me I was in the top 10% to go this year. Anybody with similar answers to their inquiries? BTW trade is NAVCOM.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: tk1234567890 on April 09, 2011, 14:30:48
I'm glad to see these posts. It could get pretty lonely hanging out in this line-up waiting for a call. I applied online Oct. '09, wrote CFAT Apr. '10, medical in May and waiting since then. I was told to wait until Apr. 1st, 2011. When I saw the "in-demand" designation gone from my trade choice on the forces.ca website, I got discouraged and finally phoned CFRC. I was told I was scheduled for BMQ for 2010 but they had no place to put me, so I have been merit listed for 2011. He also told me I was in the top 10% to go this year. Anybody with similar answers to their inquiries? BTW trade is NAVCOM.

I am on the same boat with you.  I applied for AEC during Oct 2009, wrote CFAT Oct 2009, Basic Medical Nov 2009, Aircrew medical May 2010, and waiting since then.  Just like you and everyone else, I was told to wait until Apr 1st, 2011 for my trade to open.  I was told that I am on the National Merit list; thus I have been waiting ever since.  For me, my recruiter never mentioned anything about my CFAT score nor my rank on the merit list.  I am just patiently waiting, trying to improve myself for the job by going over university calculus problems, working, volunteering, and studying computer languages.
Cheer up, you will soon hear something that will make you soar, at least that is what I am believing. 
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: tk1234567890 on April 09, 2011, 16:29:36

You did it again! :P

You'll understand.. after going through 4 years of biochemistry undergrad program XD
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: StonedViper on April 11, 2011, 12:13:17
I got an email from CFRC stating that the officer occupations that I chose as of March 21, 2011 are only qualified for skilled applicants (AEC, Pilot, ACSO) that you have to fully qualified it was a heartbraker but again I have a couple of options Infantry or Armour....
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: word on April 11, 2011, 13:37:52
Skilled as in: Pilot has to take the simulator test, ACSO ---> the ACSO test (3hr), AEC 60th percentile on CFAT. Did you meet those requirements? If not: it's not about having previous experience it's about pre-req's for joining those trades. If yes, I guess they are only hiring people with experience this year for those trades.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: skrob on April 11, 2011, 13:44:00
I got an email from CFRC stating that the officer occupations that I chose as of March 21, 2011 are only qualified for skilled applicants (AEC, Pilot, ACSO) that you have to fully qualified it was a heartbraker but again I have a couple of options Infantry or Armour....
I got the same news on Friday (for Pilot) - bummer, but I'll never give up.  Just have to keep waiting!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: skrob on April 11, 2011, 13:47:27
Skilled as in: Pilot has to take the simulator test, ACSO ---> the ACSO test (3hr), AEC 60th percentile on CFAT. Did you meet those requirements? If not: it's not about having previous experience it's about pre-req's for joining those trades. If yes, I guess they are only hiring people with experience this year for those trades.
That is interesting news.  They tried to load me into aircrew selection center but they said they were only taking ROTP applicants at this time.  Guess I'll just have to keep checking back.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: StonedViper on April 11, 2011, 13:54:25
Skilled as in: Pilot has to take the simulator test, ACSO ---> the ACSO test (3hr), AEC 60th percentile on CFAT. Did you meet those requirements? If not: it's not about having previous experience it's about pre-req's for joining those trades. If yes, I guess they are only hiring people with experience this year for those trades.

I never did the testing and was never scheduled for all the trades that I chose...
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: word on April 11, 2011, 14:07:19
That's weird, I thought that they'd at least see if you were qualified for the job (testing) even if the trade was currently closed. It would suck to wait and not make it for your top 3 picks. What would happen then? Would you just be asked to pick 3 more trades (suppose you picked pilot, acso, aec which are all very competitive)? Did they tell you that Armour is currently an option for you? I am pretty sure I heard from RC that MARS was open (but that was when I called, not when I went in).

Right now Pilot and ACSO are in my top 3 (applying DEO 2012) but I also know they are difficult to get into. If I could not get Pilot or ACSO I would choose Armour or MARS.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: jemcgrg on April 11, 2011, 15:58:01
Two recruiting centers told me that MARS isn't opening. They don't have enough available right now to train MARS officers they already have. They are apparently 2 years behind.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: StonedViper on April 11, 2011, 18:02:05
That's weird, I thought that they'd at least see if you were qualified for the job (testing) even if the trade was currently closed. It would suck to wait and not make it for your top 3 picks. What would happen then? Would you just be asked to pick 3 more trades (suppose you picked pilot, acso, aec which are all very competitive)? Did they tell you that Armour is currently an option for you? I am pretty sure I heard from RC that MARS was open (but that was when I called, not when I went in).

Right now Pilot and ACSO are in my top 3 (applying DEO 2012) but I also know they are difficult to get into. If I could not get Pilot or ACSO I would choose Armour or MARS.

It was weird  but I called CFRC as soon as I got the email (April 11, 2011), the recruiter offered me Infantry and Armour both Officer but then another setback as he checked my file I'm on a level 2 priority according to him they are processing a Level 3 priority with those trades it's either I will wait for any changes if they require more personnel then they will go level 2 but for now it's either I'll wait and they will put my file on inactive staus or change the NCM route, so I went the NCM route with Signal Op and he said a good thing about it is that SIgnal Op and LCIS and Line Tech will be rolled into one Army trade, i forgot how he called it though and went for Combat Engineer and Vehicle Tech for now as it the trades can change depending on my CFAT scores etc...
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ayo23 on April 11, 2011, 18:04:40
It was weird  but I called CFRC as soon as I got the email (April 11, 2011), the recruiter offered me Infantry and Armour both Officer but then another setback as he checked my file I'm on a level 2 priority according to him they are processing a Level 3 priority with those trades it's either I will wait for any changes if they require more personnel then they will go level 2 but for now it's either I'll wait and they will put my file on inactive staus or change the NCM route, so I went the NCM route with Signal Op and he said a good thing about it is that SIgnal Op and LCIS and Line Tech will be rolled into one Army trade, i forgot how he called it though and went for Combat Engineer and Vehicle Tech for now as it the trades can change depending on my CFAT scores etc...

That would be ACISS (Army Communication & Information Systems Specialists) I believe
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PuckChaser on April 11, 2011, 18:21:34
That would be ACISS (Army Communication & Information Systems Specialists) I believe

Correct.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: sky777 on April 11, 2011, 19:22:17
Anybody heard about Construction Eng?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ringknocker82 on April 11, 2011, 20:31:18
That's weird, I thought that they'd at least see if you were qualified for the job (testing) even if the trade was currently closed. It would suck to wait and not make it for your top 3 picks. What would happen then? Would you just be asked to pick 3 more trades (suppose you picked pilot, acso, aec which are all very competitive)? Did they tell you that Armour is currently an option for you? I am pretty sure I heard from RC that MARS was open (but that was when I called, not when I went in).

Right now Pilot and ACSO are in my top 3 (applying DEO 2012) but I also know they are difficult to get into. If I could not get Pilot or ACSO I would choose Armour or MARS.

Some trades are closed, while other trades are closed for processing. If a job is closed for processing, the RC can't even continue with the recruiting process (ie., CFAT, interview), until it opens for processing. The trade may remain closed, but at least they can get you merit listed. This is how it was explained to me :)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: DjC on April 11, 2011, 21:21:31
I can't comment on what is or isn't closed, but I reapplied back in September '09 as a crewman in the reserves, which was around the time when the entire budget cuts/hiring freeze occurred. I just did my medical a few weeks ago, and am schedule for the PT test this coming Thursday. Having already served in the military, I learned something really important; the only certain is that nothing is. Boy I'd love to be on course this summer, and I'm hoping that since I'm being pushed through with these tests its finally a sign that gears are spinning  :warstory:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: SevenSixTwo on April 12, 2011, 12:18:17
For those who are interested, from what my recruiter told me, Infantry has 35 available spots( PPCLI, didn't ask for RCR or Vandoos ), and Crewman has 30 spots nationally.


Just want to point out that the bolded information is incorrect.

For those of you hoping to be crewmen your hopes should be a little higher  ;).
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: word on April 12, 2011, 12:48:06
I got a year til I apply so I do have a chance for the trades I want to open...if it can't open in a year then it would at least open soon after that (2-2.5 years...it does not take that long for MARS/PILOT to open again).
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Scott on April 12, 2011, 12:54:42
airdelta2,

The best people could answer you with is: how long is a piece of string?

Nobody knows. Worse, we have an influx of people applying TODAY hoping for jobs tomorrow, it just ain't happening. So forecasting it a year from now is next to impossible.

Be patient, read the forums, get your stuff sorted, visit the RC, and, by all means, work on your physical fitness. In short, prepare, but have a backup plan as well.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: word on April 12, 2011, 12:58:57
airdelta2,

The best people could answer you with is: how long is a piece of string?

Nobody knows. Worse, we have an influx of people applying TODAY hoping for jobs tomorrow, it just ain't happening. So forecasting it a year from now is next to impossible.

Be patient, read the forums, get your stuff sorted, visit the RC, and, by all means, work on your physical fitness. In short, prepare, but have a backup plan as well.

Yeah, I'll have to see. I heard right now that Armour (DEO) is open so if I had the option of taking that in a year from now (and everything else was completely closed) I may take it (I have to look more into it). I am interested in: Pilot, ACSO, Armour, MARS and Public Affairs. So I can be flexible if one of them isn't open/I am not chosen for that trade.

Fitness is no issue, I've been lifting weights 5x a week before I even considered the CF as a career option. It's a huge hobby regardless of my career path. But yeah in a year anything can happen...I can't predict the future so I will apply once I am about to graduate and see what's open. If nothing is open at all then another potential plan is law school (I am also prepping for the LSAT). If I don't end up getting a position I don't want to just 'wait around' for 1-2 years..no matter how interested I am I gotta do something productive while I wait.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Donovanpayne on April 12, 2011, 13:01:04
For the sake of not creating another thread. Does anyone have any info on how many spots are opening up for Signal Operator (ACISS)? I'm currently merit listed for it and called my file manager a couple weeks ago asking the same question but he wasn't too clear about what's been going on with recruiting for the trade.

Any help would be great. :)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: SevenSixTwo on April 12, 2011, 14:03:58
For the sake of not creating another thread. Does anyone have any info on how many spots are opening up for Signal Operator (ACISS)? I'm currently merit listed for it and called my file manager a couple weeks ago asking the same question but he wasn't too clear about what's been going on with recruiting for the trade.

Any help would be great. :)

Lots. ACISS was only made because there weren't enough Signal Operators/LCIS in the first place.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Donovanpayne on April 12, 2011, 14:39:07
Lots. ACISS was only made because there weren't enough Signal Operators/LCIS in the first place.

Thank you SevenSixTwo for the quick reply. It's extremely appreciated. I guess I shouldn't lose hope for getting in this year then!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ayo23 on April 12, 2011, 14:42:40
Lots. ACISS was only made because there weren't enough Signal Operators/LCIS in the first place.

Thanks for the info! :)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: DORTx2 on April 12, 2011, 23:56:00
Hey sorry for asking and im not sure if anyone can help me with this but I applied 2 months ago and I phoned recently too see what the status of my application was and they said it was closed (no reason given) so I was just curious is it too late now too re-apply for the combat engineer trade? would there still be any spots left 2 weeks after it opened up again? or should I just try again next year. I tried phoning the recruitment center but im not having any luck getting through too anyone.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Occam on April 13, 2011, 00:06:05
Hey sorry for asking and im not sure if anyone can help me with this but I applied 2 months ago and I phoned recently too see what the status of my application was and they said it was closed (no reason given) so I was just curious is it too late now too re-apply for the combat engineer trade? would there still be any spots left 2 weeks after it opened up again? or should I just try again next year. I tried phoning the recruitment center but im not having any luck getting through too anyone.

I'm getting interference on my crystal ball....I guess you're just going to have to try calling them tomorrow, and keep calling until you talk to a human.

Now where am I going to find a crystal ball technician at this hour?   ;)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: WonderGirl on April 13, 2011, 00:33:37
I'm getting interference on my crystal ball....I guess you're just going to have to try calling them tomorrow, and keep calling until you talk to a human.

Now where am I going to find a crystal ball technician at this hour?   ;)

roflmao! let me know when it clears up!  STAT!  Stanley cup playoffs start tomorrow! ;D
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: mwc on April 13, 2011, 00:43:41
Hey sorry for asking and im not sure if anyone can help me with this but I applied 2 months ago and I phoned recently too see what the status of my application was and they said it was closed (no reason given) so I was just curious is it too late now too re-apply for the combat engineer trade? would there still be any spots left 2 weeks after it opened up again? or should I just try again next year. I tried phoning the recruitment center but im not having any luck getting through too anyone.

Doubt it bud, that's my 2nd choice and I've had papers in since July. They still haven't called me for a CFAT
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ringknocker82 on April 13, 2011, 01:31:03
Hey sorry for asking and im not sure if anyone can help me with this but I applied 2 months ago and I phoned recently too see what the status of my application was and they said it was closed (no reason given) so I was just curious is it too late now too re-apply for the combat engineer trade? would there still be any spots left 2 weeks after it opened up again? or should I just try again next year. I tried phoning the recruitment center but im not having any luck getting through too anyone.

Your file was probably closed because all your trade choices were closed. If one or more of your trades have opened up, your best bet is to complete your file (ie., medical, CFAT, interview) so you can be merit listed. This may not mean you'll get a job this year (who knows, you may), but at least you'll be a step ahead of the rest for the next round of hiring. One thing you need to learn if you want to join the CF, you need to be tenacious to make it.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: DORTx2 on April 13, 2011, 01:33:21
yea ill keep trying too get a hold of some one all I get are answering machines, and I cant phone that often cause there open the same time I work so I have too call when theres no customers around haha.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Journeyman on April 13, 2011, 01:36:05
One thing you need to learn if you want to join the CF, you need to be tenacious to make it.
OK, one other thing you'll need to learn -- what "tenacious" means.     ;)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ringknocker82 on April 13, 2011, 01:52:24
OK, one other thing you'll need to learn -- what "tenacious" means.     ;)

Lol

@Dortx2 - Try emailing them; tends to be the easiest way of getting them to call you back.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Searyn on April 13, 2011, 03:23:24
Yeah, Email is definitely my preferred mode of communication too. So far I have received a reply to every email I've sent regarding my application (which has been quite a few since April 2010). And when I do call they are usually super busy or the person I need isn't there, so I just quit calling altogether and just email the same person every time. Much more convenient for the recruiter/file manager too.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Cloud on April 13, 2011, 03:29:22
Yeah, Email is definitely my preferred mode of communication too. So far I have received a reply to every email I've sent regarding my application (which has been quite a few since April 2010). And when I do call they are usually super busy or the person I need isn't there, so I just quit calling altogether and just email the same person every time. Much more convenient for the recruiter/file manager too.

How do you find going in and talking to them? I'm debating using another form of communication other than phoning. I have called twice and left a message each time for someone to call me back. That was at least two weeks ago. Should I just go in? email? I don't want to piss them off, but I would like an answer to some of the questions I have.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Searyn on April 13, 2011, 03:33:41
Well I live about 8-9 hour drive away from either of the two closest CFRC's so going in was never an option for me. But if I could, I would have popped in for a face to face every other month and called/emailed on the one's I didn't go in for.
Personally I much prefer face to face contact over telephone calls or emails. I'm sure most people do as well.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ringknocker82 on April 13, 2011, 10:20:20
Well I live about 8-9 hour drive away from either of the two closest CFRC's so going in was never an option for me. But if I could, I would have popped in for a face to face every other month and called/emailed on the one's I didn't go in for.
Personally I much prefer face to face contact over telephone calls or emails. I'm sure most people do as well.

I personally use the face to face method with my recruiter. However, my local RC is at a reserve unit, and is very close and convenient. The recruiter there was dealing with my husband's files as well as mine. Because we visited so often, he became very familiar with our situations. He's really gone to bat for both of us (the hubby just started BMQ). However, I would suggest that you go in to meet a recruiter and get his card so you can email him/her. I think it's the easiest form of communication for them. Also, be polite and courteous, they deal with a lot of people, make yourself one of the people they WANT to help. Plus, to me these guys are saints; the amount of bovine fecal matter they put up with.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: SevenSixTwo on April 13, 2011, 12:16:00
1) When you call a RC make sure you leave a voice mail. Sometimes people are too busy to pick up and they wait for it to go to voice mail to listen to it.

2) It's never too late to put your application in. Don't listen to people telling you not to put it in. It's up to your merits wheither or not you get in. You may have put in your app 2 months later than everyone else but you might be near the top of the merit list for all you know.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: jemcgrg on April 13, 2011, 15:17:29
How do you find going in and talking to them? I'm debating using another form of communication other than phoning. I have called twice and left a message each time for someone to call me back. That was at least two weeks ago. Should I just go in? email? I don't want to piss them off, but I would like an answer to some of the questions I have.

I've always preferred going in too. They know my name there now which helps.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Sizzle on April 13, 2011, 16:41:04
A face is always better then a voice when it comes to communication.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Booty22 on April 13, 2011, 17:30:06
A face is always better then a voice when it comes to communication.


This^.   But any communication is better than none.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ringknocker82 on April 13, 2011, 19:41:21
I've always preferred going in too. They know my name there now which helps.

I agree. I think when they come to know your face and who you are they are more apt to help you. Not that they wouldn't anyways, but they go the extra mile because you're not just a garbled voice on a voicemail. However, if you live too far, I would go with email over voicemail. If for no other reason than it's much easier for the recruiter because they don't have to spend 20 mins trying to decipher your message. I was the gopher at an RC one summer and the PO would make me sit there and try to figure out the numbers and names. I'd rather spend the weekend pepper potting then ever doing that again. :P
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Waters81 on April 13, 2011, 22:05:13
So with the "face to a name" theory in mind, I was just back at the Mississauga RC to clarify something on my application, I asked if I could fix it and the Sgt said "no problem, provided it's still here", apparently all of the files there are being passed on to the Toronto RC (poor bastards). I live close enough that I can poke my head in there at any time, and my file should have arrived there today, would it be a wise decision to go in and ask about the status, I know that I need to redo my medical and interviews, maybe ask about booking them? make myself known? I'm not looking to piss anyone off, I just want them to know that I'm actively trying to help the progression of my application.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: word on April 13, 2011, 22:52:07
It's they're job to answer your questions. As long as you are being serious then you are not wasting anyone's time. I'd bet that RC's actually like it when serious people come in with questions because it makes their job easier. Passing by once a week is no big deal. Have you seen how many people go in on any given day? They see tons of people daily.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ringknocker82 on April 13, 2011, 23:35:08
^ You stole the words right off my computer!!  They may get annoyed if you called every 5 minutes asking, "Is it ready yet?", "How about now?", "Anything?"  That might piss them off a bit, but as was already said, they like to see people who are actively trying to get the process rolling, shows initiative.  Also, sometimes they forget (they are humans, not robots) to do something with your file and if you pipe in, you may just save them a huge hassle.  Remember, its your future career that's on the line, is it worth ruining your chances in order to not be 'that guy'?  I would say not.  Good luck!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Waters81 on April 14, 2011, 00:09:59
I appreciate the input, thanks. Who knows, maybe it'll work in my favor in the long run, it definitely can't hurt.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: word on April 14, 2011, 02:02:36
I think most people have the right amount of awareness to know when they're calling too much...so don't sweat it. Most places I've worked at have told me that the guy who bugs them for the job (and actually has the qualifications/skill) by coming in weekly or calling 1-2 a week is usually the guy they hire. One restaurant hired a guy with zero serving experience but he showed so much initiative that they trained him (and they usually hire people only with 3yrs + experience).

I am pretty excited to apply for DEO positions next year.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: sky777 on April 15, 2011, 20:15:40
Today (15.04.2011)  our CFRC was closed
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: kratz on April 15, 2011, 23:19:47
Ok, after attending BMQ, you will notice there are a full load of mandatory courses that must be completed each year. These CRRs must be done during working hours by all military personnel. CFRCs are not chock full or spare people. Due to the volume of people interested in applying, they must rely on automated services to assist them.

Not only are they recruiters, but they are also active CF members. This means they are required to complete meetings, training and other duties that just might take them all away from the office once in awhile. Dang, you did not get that "all too important to you call". Neither did the other 100 people calling either.

Change the place you are calling to Starbucks or Safeway. Would you get so upset if you missed contacting them?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: galaxy on April 16, 2011, 14:46:46
Today (15.04.2011)  our CFRC was closed

Mine wasn't. I received a call to schedule a follow up/final interview and a quick medical.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Donovanpayne on April 18, 2011, 18:18:33
Just thought I'd share what was told to me today when I went into CFRC Calgary today.

They'll be doing the next round of selections for BMQ within 2-3 days. I was told that there's currently 95 spots available and they'll be choosing people from all OPEN trades.

I doubt I'll get in this round, but to all you other merit listed folks out there, good luck!  :)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Booty22 on April 18, 2011, 18:36:30
Just thought I'd share what was told to me today when I went into CFRC Calgary today.

They'll be doing the next round of selections for BMQ within 2-3 days. I was told that there's currently 95 spots available and they'll be choosing people from all OPEN trades.

I doubt I'll get in this round, but to all you other merit listed folks out there, good luck!  :)


Theres two people I know who would serve ther Country very well if they get a call, this round.

With that said I hope everyone gets their call very soon  :cdn:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ayo23 on April 18, 2011, 19:08:31
Just thought I'd share what was told to me today when I went into CFRC Calgary today.

They'll be doing the next round of selections for BMQ within 2-3 days. I was told that there's currently 95 spots available and they'll be choosing people from all OPEN trades.

I doubt I'll get in this round, but to all you other merit listed folks out there, good luck!  :)

Thanks for the heads up, Donovanpayne! That's great news to hear.
Did they give out any BMQ dates?
Good luck to everyone :)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Donovanpayne on April 18, 2011, 19:16:58
Thanks for the heads up, Donovanpayne! That's great news to hear.
Did they give out any BMQ dates?
Good luck to everyone :)

No problem!

As for BMQ dates, the woman I was speaking too couldn't give me specifics and told me to talk to either my file manager or the WO who interviewed me. Unfortunately both are on course right now so I'll be calling my other file manager in the next couple of days to see if I can get more specifics. If I learn anything new, I'll be sure to inform all of you. If I had to make a guess, I'd say the dates will possibly be for May.



Edited for spelling mistake.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: sky777 on April 18, 2011, 19:30:22
You are lucky guys - you know some information.
Today I called to my CFRC - no news.They don't know when will be next selction for  DEO (officer program) .
Just wait.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Ruthie on April 18, 2011, 20:02:27
Just thought I'd share what was told to me today when I went into CFRC Calgary today.

They'll be doing the next round of selections for BMQ within 2-3 days. I was told that there's currently 95 spots available and they'll be choosing people from all OPEN trades.


Really? Just last week I was in CFRC Edmonton and they told me selections for BMQ had started last week (Week beginning April 11th). I don't have my hopes high at all right now. We're all getting different information. Ahh, the army life. I actually kind of assumed (bad of me, I know) that because of the Easter holiday coming up, selections might be put off until April 25th. Again, just an assumption. Feel free to ignore me :)

Good luck to everyone!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ayo23 on April 18, 2011, 20:58:56
Hey guys, i just noticed they updated the BMQ dates on www.cflrs.forces.gc.ca

BMQ
R0400E (R31), R0401F (R32) & R0442E (R14)..    April 25, 2011    July 28, 2011
R0402E (R25) & R0403E (R22) ......................   May 16, 2011    August 18, 2011
R0410E (R35)...........................................    May 23, 2011    August 25, 2011

BMOQ
L0062E (L13) & L0063F (L14) .......................   May 23, 2011    August 4, 2011
L0064E (L19), L0065E (R11) & L0066E (R44)..   May 30, 2011    August 11, 2011
L0057E (L11), L0058E (L12) & L0059E (R43)..    May 9, 2011    August 18, 2011
L0060E (L15) & L0061F (L16) ....................   May 16, 2011    August 25, 2011
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: sky777 on April 19, 2011, 16:42:58
Crossing my fingers for one of those may dates...
The same here....
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Waters81 on April 19, 2011, 21:06:50
So I called the Toronto CFRC last Friday and asked about my file. the women on the phone had told me that my backround checks are being done, would that be an indication that I may have a chance at being merit listed this time around...because that would be bloody well fantastic.
And I know, I sound like "that kid" who asks 1001 questions, sorry.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Sleath on April 19, 2011, 21:44:49
So I called the Toronto CFRC last Friday and asked about my file. the women on the phone had told me that my backround checks are being done, would that be an indication that I may have a chance at being merit listed this time around...because that would be bloody well fantastic.
And I know, I sound like "that kid" who asks 1001 questions, sorry.

Good day,

Hard to tell, I was Merit Listed 3 weeks after my interview and got my medical back from Ottawa a week after its completion. I had sucessfully done my background checks 3 months prior, so I doubt anyone can tell you since it varies person to person. Your best bet would be to talk to your Military Career Counselor.

regards
sleath

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ringknocker82 on April 19, 2011, 21:56:10
So I called the Toronto CFRC last Friday and asked about my file. the women on the phone had told me that my backround checks are being done, would that be an indication that I may have a chance at being merit listed this time around...because that would be bloody well fantastic.
And I know, I sound like "that kid" who asks 1001 questions, sorry.

If your background check is the last thing that needs to be completed for your file, and as long as it comes back clean, you'll be merit listed.  Merit listed simply means that you have met all the requirements for the trade you're applying for.  You may be merit listed for one and not the others because your other choices are not open right now.  As was stated above, you never really know.  If you ask the recruiter dealing with your file (i.e., your file manager), they should be able to tell you if you have been merit listed or not and why. 
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Cloud on April 20, 2011, 04:46:33
So I go in the the RC today to change one of my trade choices, and to find out what the status of my application is (i.e I wanted to set up a date for interview and medical). Everyone of choices opened up on April first (including the one I switched), and she grabs my file and looks up at me and says, "Yeah.. your file is closed... We told you to come back around April 1st to remind us to open it...". I was like"whhaaa? I was told to call and leave a message", which I did twice. Her reply "......oh..." At this point I start laughing. I did however get some of the numbers for how many their taking via that RC branch. Overall it was a good experience, she was super helpful and I did in the end book at medical and interview. Just thought I'd share my random quest to get numbers, a medical, and interview with you all.

Cheers
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Waters81 on April 20, 2011, 19:48:16
I think I need to go through the whole process again,background check, ref check, medical, interviews. I was told it was because it has been over a year since my file was closed. Does that sound right?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ayo23 on April 21, 2011, 15:36:18
Maybe it's just me but it doesn't look like anyone's been offered anything through CFRC Toronto...
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Donovanpayne on April 21, 2011, 21:50:06
Maybe it's just me but it doesn't look like anyone's been offered anything through CFRC Toronto...


Same here in Calgary Ayo23. I do believe the centre here said they were having selection meetings this week though.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ayo23 on April 21, 2011, 22:47:08

Same here in Calgary Ayo23. I do believe the centre here said they were having selection meetings this week though.

Easter weekend is going to feel extra long.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Gravja on April 21, 2011, 23:06:07
Went to my local CFRC today and was told that Vehicle Tech was "Recruiting big time".  I was not told how many for this year but being merit listed gives me a glimmer of hope.  Just thought Id post this for anyone else that was looking to be a gear head in the forces.  :camo:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Crank on April 22, 2011, 22:58:00
During my interview I was told the process could move very quickly from this point, I assumed it was because of lots of open positions. However after my interview they asked for with my grade 10 marks and I noticed I do not have the principles of math 10 just regular 10 so even though I was told I scored very high on my CFAT I have a feeling I will now be ineligible for this trade. Hopefully someone out there can tell me I am wrong.

Went to my local CFRC today and was told that Vehicle Tech was "Recruiting big time".  I was not told how many for this year but being merit listed gives me a glimmer of hope.  Just thought Id post this for anyone else that was looking to be a gear head in the forces.  :camo:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: sky777 on April 27, 2011, 20:01:43
Guys,
who knows if trade is not  "In Demand"(Accepting Applications) at website    http://www.forces.ca/ .
Is there open position  for this trade in  CFRC  or only trades at  http://www.forces.ca/ are open for job offers?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ayo23 on April 27, 2011, 20:03:08
Guys,
who knows if trade is not  "In Demand"(Accepting Applications) at website    http://www.forces.ca/ .
Is there open position  for this trade in  CFRC  or only trades at  http://www.forces.ca/ are open for job offers?

From what i've read/heard... the In Demand stuff on the website only applies to people that haven't applied yet.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: KRJB on April 27, 2011, 20:18:04
During my interview I was told the process could move very quickly from this point, I assumed it was because of lots of open positions. However after my interview they asked for with my grade 10 marks and I noticed I do not have the principles of math 10 just regular 10 so even though I was told I scored very high on my CFAT I have a feeling I will now be ineligible for this trade. Hopefully someone out there can tell me I am wrong.

I'm not sure which province you are from. But in BC the "Principles of Math" courses are the regular ones.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: sky777 on April 27, 2011, 20:37:21
From what i've read/heard... the In Demand stuff on the website only applies to people that haven't applied yet.
It means I can get Job Offer from any of my choosen trades,  not only "In Demand " now
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Johansen on April 27, 2011, 23:33:41
I'm not sure which province you are from. But in BC the "Principles of Math" courses are the regular ones.

I'm one year out of high school and I can tell you with complete certainty that Principles is definitely the highest of the 3 options in BC..
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: FactorXYZ on April 28, 2011, 01:13:00
Sometimes it even varies from school to school... at my first school from grades 8-11 the 3 math choices were: essentials of math, principals of math and math honors. Then when I moved in grade 12 my new school didn't have math honors but instead applications of math ( which is one step behind principals).
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: KRJB on April 28, 2011, 02:30:19
I'm one year out of high school and I can tell you with complete certainty that Principles is definitely the highest of the 3 options in BC..

Every school I've been to (4 different high schools...long story) it's been; Essentials(for all the students struggling with math), Principles which is what 90% of the students took, and then Math Honours or Pre-Calc(depending on the grade) which was for the students who excel in mathematics.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: BlueOne on April 28, 2011, 17:55:40
Hi guys, I am more than really confused at the moment, and will explain my case.

Had my interview last week, went very good and smooth (applied for NCM (reg))
Been merit listed yesterday morning
Called today to ask if any of my trades was still open
Told me Naval Comm was now closed (my second choice...)

Then asked what was happening then, they said open positions are now only offered tho whom already in the process and not to new applicants (meaning nothing is still open on new applications?) That is complicated this year with the recruitment. Plus, the selection of the new recruits is now Nation wide. My other chosen trades are only having a few positions.

That's been two years now from my application ... hope I will not end on waiting another year to start my career, what's your taught?

BlueOne
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Crank on April 28, 2011, 20:56:41
Why is this still even being discussed? We've already established it varies province by province. Maybe even School Board by School Board...

In whatever Province or School Board Crank is from (The person who asked the question, in case you forgot) Principles is the course for average students, and that is what he took. He asked if this would be a foreseeable problem while applying for the position of Vehicle Technician. Based on the Vehicle Technician requirements on www.forces.ca, it doesn't seem so. [http://www.forces.ca/en/job/vehicletechnician-37#info-1]

Shall we move on?...

I should have elaborated, I recieved an email months ago from a veh tech that worked at the recruiting center telling me they have recently raised the math requirement above the basic math 10 to principles or applications. After a few calls across Canada to a few different CFRC's I learned that it is the final decision of the career counselor who determines it based on your CFAT and interview. Since I scored so high on my CFAT i believe it will be put through without incident as I was called yesterday and they are in the final stages of my application.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Waters81 on April 28, 2011, 20:59:38
BlueOne, count your blessings, I would be bloody extatic if I even get merit listed this year, at least you're on that list.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: BlueOne on April 28, 2011, 21:27:46
You are right, I am very happy about that. Thanx for the input!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Infared on April 29, 2011, 00:05:28
I was merit listed Jan.28/11 and went in today to check, was told to not hold my breath but to keep on waiting. Guess thats all we can do.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: BlueOne on April 29, 2011, 12:43:56
Just got an offer for Land Communications and Information Systems Technician, BMQ starting July 11 wahouuuu!!!!!!  :camo:

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: BlueOne on April 29, 2011, 13:34:16
Congrats!! See you there :)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Daavdablo on April 29, 2011, 18:51:51
Just got my call today! Finally! August 29th BMQ!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Crank on April 29, 2011, 19:04:08
congrats to everyone who has gotten the call. wish the best to all of you.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: JustAnotherGuy on April 29, 2011, 20:15:09
ya congrats, can't wait till I graduate high school!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: BlueOne on April 30, 2011, 19:47:03
Thank you!! Looks like everything seems to finally go through! Keep the faith :) It will be everyone's turn  :salute:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ayo23 on May 02, 2011, 14:54:24
i THINK i might be in the july 11th BMQ...

i got a call from CFRC Toronto about 10 minutes ago and she told me that i need to re-do my medical if i want to be "enrolled for the 11th"

So...hopefully my medical goes fine, it's later this week. *crosses fingers*
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: TheUnitedEmpire on May 02, 2011, 15:00:18
I think the medical is only valid for a year (I could be wrong), so it's just a technicality (unless you've got medical issues).....you should be good to go.  Congrats.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ayo23 on May 02, 2011, 15:04:30
i'm not really surprised... there was a lot of confusion with my medical this year while i was trying to schedule an updated interview.

I took my medical on Jan 2010... and i had to return some allergy forms... i actually didn't hand in the forms until Dec 2010 b/c there was an issue i had to deal with during the year that had me sidelined. At first they just told me to wait until the papers came back from Ottawa... and then later on they said it came back saying i was medfit so i'm good to schedule the interview. I figured everything was fine but i guess i was wrong.

Oh well. They won't give my spot away while I get my medical sorted out, right? >.< lol
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ayo23 on May 02, 2011, 15:42:04
You'll be fine. If you passed your medical once, why wouldn't you pass it a second time?

Because I'll be extra nervous this time.  ;D

I'm not worried about the medical that much... just wish they made me do it earlier in the year, you know?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Sizzle on May 02, 2011, 19:35:39
Don't worry about it at all Ayo. You'll be fine.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Thunderjunk27 on May 03, 2011, 15:46:36
Hooray! Just got my offer this morning. BMQ starting August 29. Little later in the year than I was hoping, but I'll certainly not complain. Going in as Sonar Ops. Hope to see some of you folks there!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ayo23 on May 03, 2011, 15:51:29
Is anyone still getting offers for May BMQs?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: jemcgrg on May 03, 2011, 15:53:32
I'm super happy for you guys getting your offers, but it kills me that I have to wait another year!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Daavdablo on May 03, 2011, 16:51:03
Hooray! Just got my offer this morning. BMQ starting August 29. Little later in the year than I was hoping, but I'll certainly not complain. Going in as Sonar Ops. Hope to see some of you folks there!

See you there man!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: jnunes13 on May 03, 2011, 17:11:28
I have been reading these boards for quite some time and got a wealth of information from the posters here! I'm happy to say that I was given a job offer this morning!!! I start BMQ on August 29th and I am going in as a Combat Engineer!!! I applied in September of 2010 and Got Merit Listed April 5th 2011! Is anyone on the August 29 BMQ from Edmonton?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Daavdablo on May 03, 2011, 17:47:53
I have been reading these boards for quite some time and got a wealth of information from the posters here! I'm happy to say that I was given a job offer this morning!!! I start BMQ on August 29th and I am going in as a Combat Engineer!!! I applied in September of 2010 and Got Merit Listed April 5th 2011! Is anyone on the August 29 BMQ from Edmonton?

I'm from Edmonton and going to be attending BMQ Aug 29th as well..... Armoured.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Donovanpayne on May 03, 2011, 18:04:03
Hooray! Just got my offer this morning. BMQ starting August 29. Little later in the year than I was hoping, but I'll certainly not complain. Going in as Sonar Ops. Hope to see some of you folks there!

I'll be starting BMQ the same day as you. Look forward to meeting you :)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Armoured88 on May 03, 2011, 18:56:19
Im also from Edmonton.  August 29th BMQ.  Going in as armoured.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Thunderjunk27 on May 03, 2011, 19:26:07
I'm from the Edmonton area as well. Can't wait to get there and try to guess who you guys are haha.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Thunderjunk27 on May 03, 2011, 19:34:03
My boss made an excellent suggestion. Everyone from Edmonton attending the August 29 BMQ just show up wearing hot pink cowboy hats. Then we'll be able to pick each other out.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: JBrock on May 03, 2011, 19:38:15
Hey Armoured88, I was just wondering when you applied and when you received your offer for armoured. I applied for ncm crewman and combat engineer in Jan 2011 and am currently waiting to get my cfat, med, and interview booked.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: jnunes13 on May 03, 2011, 19:42:37
My boss made an excellent suggestion. Everyone from Edmonton attending the August 29 BMQ just show up wearing hot pink cowboy hats. Then we'll be able to pick each other out.

Bahahahah a black cowboy hat I could do! I already have a few of those  ;D

A hot pink one on the other hand... Well I don't think my horse would ever take me seriously again if he saw me in one of those  :blotto:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Armoured88 on May 04, 2011, 00:39:04
Hey Armoured88, I was just wondering when you applied and when you received your offer for armoured. I applied for ncm crewman and combat engineer in Jan 2011 and am currently waiting to get my cfat, med, and interview booked.

I applied August 2009 so I've been waiting for a long time. 
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Searyn on May 04, 2011, 04:39:42
Aww man. I applied back in April 2010 for Combat engineer lol. I should be merit listed by now (last I talked to the CFRC Vancouver (April 15) i was just waiting on the reference checks) so hopefully I get my call soon too. Congrats on anyone who's going
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ayo23 on May 04, 2011, 13:13:27
Update:

Medical went fine.

I did have a conditional offer but when they said "enroll for the 11th" they meant May 11th i'd be sworn in for the May 16th BMQ. Unfortunately I have something important at the end of the month so I may be looking at an August BMQ now. July BMQs seem to be full. Wonder why everyone was offered July BMQs but i get May? That's just bad timing.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Donovanpayne on May 04, 2011, 13:33:29
Update:

Medical went fine.

I did have a conditional offer but when they said "enroll for the 11th" they meant May 11th i'd be sworn in for the May 16th BMQ. Unfortunately I have something important at the end of the month so I may be looking at an August BMQ now. July BMQs seem to be full. Wonder why everyone was offered July BMQs but i get May? That's just bad timing.  :facepalm:

Someone probably dropped their May BMQ and you were offered the spot. Either way come join us for the August BMQ! Although I wish I could go sooner I'm glad I have an August BMQ date as it gives me an opportunity to further my fitness level. There's nothing wrong with being too prepared

Also, it seems like things are starting to work out for you. Congratulations Ayo, hope to see you there.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: jemcgrg on May 04, 2011, 13:49:09
My friend went to BMQ in August and she said it's the best time to go because it's not as warm for most of the training.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ayo23 on May 04, 2011, 14:18:07
Someone probably dropped their May BMQ and you were offered the spot. Either way come join us for the August BMQ! Although I wish I could go sooner I'm glad I have an August BMQ date as it gives me an opportunity to further my fitness level. There's nothing wrong with being too prepared

Also, it seems like things are starting to work out for you. Congratulations Ayo, hope to see you there.

Well...hopefully i'll be there in August. All i was told was that they don't have the full number of recruits they're supposed to hire for August yet... but when they do, he'll try to put me in there and that it shouldn't be a problem. So i don't really have an offer for August yet but i'm hoping i'll be there with you and the others. I should receive a call in June.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: sdhdeer on May 04, 2011, 14:43:31
Got the call Monday May 2...swear in May 11 for BMQ May 16th...Sonar Ops. Originally applied Feb 2011 so actually went pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Sleath on May 04, 2011, 15:25:08
Update:

Medical went fine.

I did have a conditional offer but when they said "enroll for the 11th" they meant May 11th i'd be sworn in for the May 16th BMQ. Unfortunately I have something important at the end of the month so I may be looking at an August BMQ now. July BMQs seem to be full. Wonder why everyone was offered July BMQs but i get May? That's just bad timing.  :facepalm:

Good day,

Congratulations on the offer, would have been awesome if you got the July BMQ, hopefully everything works out for you in regards to the dates in which you will conduct BMQ. Either way, best of luck and again congrats!

regards
sleath
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ayo23 on May 04, 2011, 15:30:37
Ahh, somebody must have dropped out. Lucky you! Congratulations.

That was probably me.

Good day,

Congratulations on the offer, would have been awesome if you got the July BMQ, hopefully everything works out for you in regards to the dates in which you will conduct BMQ. Either way, best of luck and again congrats!

regards
sleath

Yeah, i was really hoping for a July BMQ. Now i just have to wait for a call about the August BMQ...which should be in June.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: pattem on May 05, 2011, 00:18:34
Got called on May 3 (2011) with a job offer for ACISS. Starting BMQ August 29, 2011  :salute:  ;D
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: howitzer89 on May 05, 2011, 09:16:45
I didn't want to make a new thread for this question so hopefully it can get answered in here.

I'm handing my application in either this afternoon or tomorrow, however the careers I'm applying to didn't say whether they were hiring or not. Should I still hand in my application and see how things go? Or just wait till they say there hiring on the website. Thanks
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: tk1234567890 on May 05, 2011, 09:30:47
I didn't want to make a new thread for this question so hopefully it can get answered in here.

I'm handing my application in either this afternoon or tomorrow, however the careers I'm applying to didn't say whether they were hiring or not. Should I still hand in my application and see how things go? Or just wait till they say there hiring on the website. Thanks

It is for your best to go and speak to them in person, if you do really have desire to pursue your career with the Canadian Forces.
Regardless to what others say, visiting your local CFRC and seeking for advices will do no harm on you.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: BlueOne on May 06, 2011, 00:55:27
Update:

Medical went fine.

I did have a conditional offer but when they said "enroll for the 11th" they meant May 11th i'd be sworn in for the May 16th BMQ. Unfortunately I have something important at the end of the month so I may be looking at an August BMQ now. July BMQs seem to be full. Wonder why everyone was offered July BMQs but i get May? That's just bad timing.  :facepalm:

Lucky you!! I would give anything to get on that BMQ, mine is in July. I guess this has something to do with the course after the BMQ. Anyways, I wish you the best!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ayo23 on May 06, 2011, 00:58:03
Lucky you!! I would give anything to get on that BMQ, mine is in July. I guess this has something to do with the course after the BMQ. Anyways, I wish you the best!

Would have been nice to switch spots with you then haha.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: BlueOne on May 06, 2011, 10:54:51
Would have been nice to switch spots with you then haha.

haha yeah, but, you know, in the army it works more like we told you that, you do that  :salute: but I've allready told the clerk in charge of my file that if there were any spot opened before that I was available at any time. I think there is no BMQ in june (as she told me)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Ruthie on May 06, 2011, 11:13:33
I just got offered a armoured position. I'll post more info as soon as I call the guy back.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Waters81 on May 06, 2011, 20:21:23
Congratulations to all of you, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't envious.
My file is still being processed, so I may not get to do my BMQ this year. But you never know.
Congrats again to everyone who got a call this year, the best of luck to all of you.

Cheers
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: fauntania on May 06, 2011, 21:15:36
I was told yesterday by CFRC Vancouver that all of my documents are in and I was being merit listed for Signal Operator, then they called me back ten minutes later and advised that all positions for Signal Operator have been filled. 

My second choice was Met Tech, but I was told that I need high school physics to qualify for that, and of course I took Earth Sciences instead (20 years ago, no less!).  I've signed up to take Physics 11 anyway, I figure it can't hurt, right?

My other choice, RMS, is apparently not going to open for selections until October 1.  So, I guess I will be playing the hurry-up-and-wait game on that one!  *smile*

Congrats to all of you who are booked into basic this summer! 
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Waters81 on May 06, 2011, 21:39:27
I was told yesterday by CFRC Vancouver that all of my documents are in and I was being merit listed for Signal Operator, then they called me back ten minutes later and advised that all positions for Signal Operator have been filled. 

When did you originally apply?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ayo23 on May 06, 2011, 22:45:37
haha yeah, but, you know, in the army it works more like we told you that, you do that  :salute: but I've allready told the clerk in charge of my file that if there were any spot opened before that I was available at any time. I think there is no BMQ in june (as she told me)

Yeah. I'll take any spot ASAP after May is over. Shame there's no BMQ in June this year...which is weird since they usually have them in June. The clerk in charge of my file said July was all full so i just have to wait to hear about August so I have my fingers crossed.
I'm gonna have to wait longer than i thought i would but i guess it gives me time to get to St jean in tip top shape. I have to work on my cardio anyway... heh.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: jmpederson on May 07, 2011, 03:41:14
See you there man!

Looks like I'll also be seeing you guys there, along with the lot of Armored going in. Got the call a week ago for Field Artillery and start BMQ on the 29th of August.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: jnunes13 on May 07, 2011, 12:10:16
I have seen a few people post for that they have been offered positions for Armoured and Artillery... Has anyone else on here besides me gotten a call for Combat Engineer?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: GreenIsGood on May 07, 2011, 23:41:02
I was told yesterday by CFRC Vancouver that all of my documents are in and I was being merit listed for Signal Operator, then they called me back ten minutes later and advised that all positions for Signal Operator have been filled.

Bummer. That was going to be my first choice. Did they say when Sig.Op was going to be opened for selections ?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Silverfire on May 08, 2011, 00:14:40
This is on topic but slightly off topic at the same time. 

Read this thread.  Let it all just sink in for you.  Think about all the time and effort that you put in to get an offer to join the Canadian Forces.  Think about all the early morning runs and late nights studying or the arguments with family in order to get where you are.  I was in your position this time last year.  I wanted nothing but to be able to call myself a Canadian soldier.  When you boys and girls get to BMQ, never ever quit.  No matter how shitty things are going for you, don't let the thought of quitting get in your head.  When you're at home still, its easy to be all gung ho and "OH YEAH! I'M ALL FIRED UP AND MOTIVATED" but when you're marching through the halls of CFLRS running on 4 hours of sleeping because your fire team partner snores ridiculously loud and you had morning PT; you might be feeling miserable.  You could be having the worse day ever and your only thought could be, "Jesus, what the hell did I get myself into."  I'm begging you, speaking from my own experience, never ever quit.  Never go home unless it is 100% absolutely necessary.  Getting a release is potentially a permanent solution to a temporary problem.  Do not make the same mistake I did, please.  I was stupid and thought it was noble of me to go home and take care of my family's drama.  In the end, it was the worst mistake of my life and I spend every day wishing I could take it back.  After I came home from St Jean, someone said you me, "Bud, you can't take care of your family all of the time.  They need to take care of themselves.  If I had to go home every time baby brother had a problem or mother needed something taken care of, I wouldn't have any time in the day to take care of myself." 

What I'm really trying to say, put your platoon and yourself first.  Mission, Men, Self.  Get BMQ done, get your platoon members through it, and get yourself through it.  Don't let your baggage at home come with you to St Jean.  I'm not too sure why I'm writing this post.  I just hope that if anyone out there is reading this and is having second thoughts about going to St Jean, or coming home while at St Jean, think long and hard about it before you do anything.  Whether its family problems, your girlfriend dumped you, your dog just died, or you found out your best friend is dating your sister hah, you guys will get through it.  Regardless if you're merit listed and waiting for the call, or you're waiting to fly out and walk through the Green Doors, you will get through it.  Best of luck to you boys and girls.   :salute:



Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Sample2K7 on May 08, 2011, 19:29:42
Good post silverfire. Being in the recruiting process myself, getting my family on board has been the biggest hurdle I have had to overcome so far. Its always great to hear from people on this forum with first hand experience. I have my interview this thursday for infantry soldier, thanks for the extra motivation to keep working hard to become a Canadian soldier.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Silverfire on May 08, 2011, 19:34:51
As hard as it may be to get the family on board, remember, its YOUR life, not theirs.  Live the life you want to live, pursue your goals and achieve your dreams.   :cdn: 
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Peeves on May 09, 2011, 04:29:50
I am doing my CFAT and medical if I pass aptitude, next week. I was just wondering what the medical entails exactly?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Michael O'Leary on May 09, 2011, 08:43:09
I am doing my CFAT and medical if I pass aptitude, next week. I was just wondering what the medical entails exactly?

You're in luck, we have an entire section that discusses the Enrollment Medical (http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/board,72.0.html).  If you spend a little time browsing that section, you'll discover everything that might come out of the medical process.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: fauntania on May 09, 2011, 12:07:30
Waters - I originally applied in January 2011.  All testing done, interview done, had just jumped through a credit check hoop and been told that everything was all lined up, and I was being merit listed for Sig Op.  Then the PO called me back and told me he'd tried to merit list me and it responded that all positions had been filled.

So, I wait for RMS in October!  Its not a bad thing really, I scored highest for RMS and I could use the extra few months to keep working on my PT ;)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: miraclarke on May 09, 2011, 12:12:51
Hi everyone. I am so pumped . . . just got the call and will be heading to St. Jean for July 4Th; NavComm.

To those of you who are getting discouraged by what can be a long drawn out process from application to BMQ: I applied in Oct. of 2009, wrote my CFAT mid May 2010, with medical and interview a couple of weeks later. I didn't want to be a pest but I called a couple of times. I even decided to use the time to take a Medical First Responders course so I could have something positive to add to my file, hoping that I might be given a slightly better chance of being accepted...I don't know if it helped, but it certainly couldn't have hurt. Well, it sure is a good feeling getting that call. I am 44yrs old and, believe it or not, I am in better physical (and mental) shape than I have been in years. If there's hope for me, there's hope for you for sure!!
Just wondering if anyone else is starting July 4Th. Lemme know, or I guess I'll see you soon enough...I'll be the one who looks old enough to be your dad!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Tollis on May 09, 2011, 20:13:22
Anyone get any calls lately for Artillery?  My application is sitting in Ottawa im waiting (anxiously) for a call to do CFAT and such.  Would love to get into BMQ this year.  Should I go to my local CFRC (Pembroke, ON) and see if they can see where im at in the process or does it have to be the CFRC where my application sits.  (It was an online app so it went from North Bay to Ottawa).

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Johansen on May 09, 2011, 20:56:26
There is no online application. If you filled out the online forms you have to either mail a copy or hand it in to your local CFRC as well.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Tollis on May 09, 2011, 21:03:29
I have completed all the forms.  I mailed them to North Bay and they sent me an email that my application was ready for processing and sent to Ottawa and I would be contacted for CFAT and medial testing.  Im asking if there is anyway I can see where I am in that process or possibly speed it up.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: FactorXYZ on May 09, 2011, 21:17:27
I have completed all the forms.  I mailed them to North Bay and they sent me an email that my application was ready for processing and sent to Ottawa and I would be contacted for CFAT and medial testing.  Im asking if there is anyway I can see where I am in that process or possibly speed it up.
Nope, all you can really do is hurry up and wait for the calls. You could call for an update periodically but they'll just tell you that "your application is in processing" or something to that effect.
Sorry :(
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Crank on May 09, 2011, 21:39:38
I just got the call, BMQ starts May 23rd I leave on the 21st. I really was not expecting to go so soon. I was told someone could not make the date so I moved up.  ;D
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Tollis on May 10, 2011, 19:10:30
Just got back from the CFRC.  Being told that Artillery is VERY close to being closed :facepalm: will likely be closed by next weekS.  Im looking at other combat trades now, nothing jumps out as much to me but armoured looks fairly interesting ill have to see whats open.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: SdtBurn on May 11, 2011, 18:10:52
Hi tollis,

Iv'e been trought the same story that you...Was applying for infantry bern told it was close for the year now so I have to change for an other affectation, I Choose Armored and it went realy Quick after that, 2 weeks after the change I've been call to let me notice that I was starting on 30 of may have to go to GAGETOWN directly cause i'm in a reenrolment procedure.

Be patient and good luck
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ayo23 on May 12, 2011, 12:13:15
Update:

Received a call from CFRC.
Got an offer for the August 1st BMQ.
Going in as ACISS.  :nod:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Waters81 on May 12, 2011, 18:56:17
Hi tollis,

Iv'e been trought the same story that you...Was applying for infantry bern told it was close for the year now so I have to change for an other affectation, I Choose Armored and it went realy Quick after that, 2 weeks after the change I've been call to let me notice that I was starting on 30 of may have to go to GAGETOWN directly cause i'm in a reenrolment procedure.

Be patient and good luck
Which CFRC did you apply at. I called Toronto earlier and asked and they said that it was still open.
Someones lyin' to me an' I aint likin' it! :threat:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Sizzle on May 12, 2011, 23:38:17
Update:

Received a call from CFRC.
Got an offer for the August 1st BMQ.
Going in as ACISS.  :nod:

Congrats Ayo! Same Trade and Same Basic! See you there.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ayo23 on May 12, 2011, 23:41:21
Congrats Ayo! Same Trade and Same Basic! See you there.

Thanks! See you there.  :salute:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Russell5 on May 14, 2011, 00:59:54
Hi everyone. I am so pumped . . . just got the call and will be heading to St. Jean for July 4Th; NavComm.

To those of you who are getting discouraged by what can be a long drawn out process from application to BMQ: I applied in Oct. of 2009, wrote my CFAT mid May 2010, with medical and interview a couple of weeks later. I didn't want to be a pest but I called a couple of times. I even decided to use the time to take a Medical First Responders course so I could have something positive to add to my file, hoping that I might be given a slightly better chance of being accepted...I don't know if it helped, but it certainly couldn't have hurt. Well, it sure is a good feeling getting that call. I am 44yrs old and, believe it or not, I am in better physical (and mental) shape than I have been in years. If there's hope for me, there's hope for you for sure!!
Just wondering if anyone else is starting July 4Th. Lemme know, or I guess I'll see you soon enough...I'll be the one who looks old enough to be your dad!
whatttttttttttttttttt? cape breton???
born n raised in the cape but living here in petawawa until basic.
18yrs old ill be in st jean august 29th as a Air Weapon System Tech.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: SdtBurn on May 14, 2011, 16:41:59
Hi Water81 ,

I've been to Montreal CFRC/ I know there was 16 position in infantry this year and only 6 in Quebec....I guess that, by your side it maybe still open for english regiment like RCR I realy dont know...

Sorry for that but I cannot confirm this....
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Tollis on May 14, 2011, 17:28:07
Which CFRC did you apply at. I called Toronto earlier and asked and they said that it was still open.
Someones lyin' to me an' I aint likin' it! :threat:

CFRC Pembroke  I wasn't told its closed yet but its close.  Hopefully I can get through this process and squeek in.  sorry for the late reply I havent checked on here in a bit.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: SdtBurn on May 14, 2011, 20:18:49
Tollis ,

Now your Going for wich occupation??
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Tollis on May 15, 2011, 09:58:33
Still pulling for artillery. 8)  thats the one I really want.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: SdtBurn on May 15, 2011, 16:45:32
good,

It's better to keep in mind the job you realy want,
me I want to join the CSar or JTF2 so it dont realy matter for me....I just want an occupation that gonna keep me in a good shape ang bring me some action but I realy discover an interest in armored.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Mackenzie35 on May 16, 2011, 10:19:07
Anyone applying for combat engineer reg force? Does anyone know if it fills up fast?

I'm waiting for my CFAT and medical hopefully it doesn't close when I'm going through the process.


Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: C Sab on May 16, 2011, 10:23:39
My friend got a call last week. The trade he applied for, Arty, was closed, but they took him for Armoured. Understandably, he's quite ecstatic. I applied for Sig Ops but got a call saying it had closed, so now I'm applying for Arty-Air Defence.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Sigger on May 16, 2011, 13:33:15
SigOp is closed? huh.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Waters81 on May 16, 2011, 13:46:40
Anyone applying for combat engineer reg force? Does anyone know if it fills up fast?

I'm waiting for my CFAT and medical hopefully it doesn't close when I'm going through the process.

Infantry and Combat Engineer are even keele for me, they are the only two jobs that I wrote down as my options, and apparently they're both is still open. Not sure how many spots are available for CE though.

Good luck,
Cheers
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: SdtBurn on May 16, 2011, 17:04:34
As I know Infantery is close depend from were you are maybe there have few position remaining but for all the Canada there was only 16 maybe they open more place ??  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: hamr37 on May 16, 2011, 17:19:31
I got a letter in the mail -for the second year in a row now- saying that my application has been reviewed and closed (applied for Combat Engineer and Armoured). I believe it was due to the fact that I only have my high school with little community involvement, and there are applicants with college and university degrees who applied for the same position. Indeed, very competitive these days.

Not meaning to go off topic, but if I applied for the reserves and decide to pursue a civil engineering program at my local college, would the CF reimburse me for my tuition?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: VeryMerry on May 16, 2011, 17:49:36
http://www.forces.ca/en/page/paideducation-96

"Regular Force

PAID COLLEGE
 
Enrol in the Canadian Forces through the Non-Commissioned Member Subsidized Education Plan (NCM SEP), and you will receive free college tuition, books and academic equipment in addition to a salary with benefits. Finally, you will have a guaranteed job upon graduation.
 
In return for having your college education paid for, you will have to serve a number of years calculated on the basis of two months' service for each month of subsidized education. For example, if you receive paid college education over the course of 4 semesters, you will have to serve in the military for at least 32 months upon completing the program (each semester is four months long).

Reserve Force
 
UNIVERSITY REIMBURSEMENT + PART-TIME JOB
 
Enrol as an Officer in the Canadian Forces through the Reserve Entry Training Plan (RETP), and you will attend the Royal Military College. You will receive an officer cadet’s salary when doing military training but you must pay for your own tuition and books. You will be eligible for a reimbursement of up to $2,000 per year to a maximum of $8,000.
 
It is also possible to sign up first as an officer or a non-commissioned member in the Primary Reserve and set up an “Individual Learning Plan” to attend courses leading to a college or university degree related to your trade; upon successful completion of such courses, you will be eligible for a reimbursement of up to 50 per cent of tuition and other mandatory costs.
 
Reservists can leave the Canadian Forces at any time with no obligation. Education fees for successfully completed courses are reimbursed as long as the student was a Reservist during the entire duration of the course."

I don't see anything regarding subsidized education of college programs for Reserve members, though it may be different for existing reserve members who wish to take college courses.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: hamr37 on May 16, 2011, 18:23:57
Thanks for that info.
I did make an attempt to search what I was looking for but with no luck.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PuckChaser on May 16, 2011, 18:27:31
SigOp is closed? huh.

Training system is full, can't recruit new members until we clear some pers out of PAT platoon. Doesn't help we stopped running QL3 courses for 6 months for this ACISS thing to start.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: mwc on May 16, 2011, 22:21:42
I got a letter in the mail -for the second year in a row now- saying that my application has been reviewed and closed (applied for Combat Engineer and Armoured). I believe it was due to the fact that I only have my high school with little community involvement, and there are applicants with college and university degrees who applied for the same position. Indeed, very competitive these days.

Not meaning to go off topic, but if I applied for the reserves and decide to pursue a civil engineering program at my local college, would the CF reimburse me for my tuition?

I haven't received a letter i the mail yet, but I only have my high school diploma on file and not much community service either. I've been waiting since July, and still can't get a CFAT booked. Have to take my newly received College Transcripts down to Kitchener sometime soon when I can get work off. Also, have to head to the OPP station to get a police check in order to help out with my sisters Special Olympics baseball team. Hopefully the diploma and additional volunteer hours can help me out. Good luck to you
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Sigger on May 17, 2011, 09:01:12
Training system is full, can't recruit new members until we clear some pers out of PAT platoon. Doesn't help we stopped running QL3 courses for 6 months for this ACISS thing to start.
Ahh. I see.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: sky777 on May 17, 2011, 15:48:13
Any progress from  DEO people?
Who are merit listed and waiting for job offer like me?
I hope next BMOQ will be in Autumn 2011.  :)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Vet67 on May 17, 2011, 21:15:58
Anyone have any information about Armour Officer being open/closed?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Craisome on May 20, 2011, 15:04:10
Does anyone know if ATIS is still open?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: BearPusher on May 20, 2011, 23:09:15
Just talked to some guys at the school and they didn't mention it as closed, so it should be open, or at least they are still running courses.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Craisome on May 21, 2011, 11:18:57
Thanks,


I would hope they wouldn't let me interview for something that is closed.

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Icecold on May 22, 2011, 03:59:20
Anyone applying for combat engineer reg force? Does anyone know if it fills up fast?

I'm waiting for my CFAT and medical hopefully it doesn't close when I'm going through the process.


I was told by a CFRC personel that it was closed. Was fairly dissapointed when they told me that!!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Mackenzie35 on May 22, 2011, 08:28:21
Looks like everything i applied for is full... I wish i went earlier. Oh well don't mind waiting because its something i wanna do.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Lare on May 22, 2011, 13:37:11
Training system is full, can't recruit new members until we clear some pers out of PAT platoon. Doesn't help we stopped running QL3 courses for 6 months for this ACISS thing to start.

As far as i know, there is only 4 Sigops in BMQ right now, you think there will still be a big line of PATs by the time we grad? (7 weeks)

I guess we would all have our SQ's first too, so hopefully its all smoothed out and we can jump into our QL3's by then :)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PuckChaser on May 22, 2011, 13:49:46
As far as i know, there is only 4 Sigops in BMQ right now, you think there will still be a big line of PATs by the time we grad? (7 weeks)

I guess we would all have our SQ's first too, so hopefully its all smoothed out and we can jump into our QL3's by then :)

You may end up doing your SQ after your DP1, but that's a rare case. You'll need LSVW Driver course before you start DP1, so there will be something for you to do at least.
Title: Officer trades not open until April? What to do until then?
Post by: Crackers28 on May 22, 2011, 18:16:14
Hi everyone,

I want to join the forces as an officer, having finished a degree at a civilian university. I spoke to a recruiter about selecting a trade last week, and she told me all that was opened at the moment was Infantry and Armour. While I have nit ruled out applying for these, they were not my first choices. I wanted to apply to Aerospace Control, Intelligence, Military Police, or Air Combat Systems. Unfortunately most of the desired trades seemed to have been snatched up for this year.I am thinking about joining the reserves in the meantime in order to get an idea of how the military works and to get the 3 month or so background check phase out of the way so I can jump right into a trade when they open up. So, I have a few question about this situation that I hope I can get some help with (I'd call a recruiter but its a a long weekend lol)

First, should I expect any of these trades to actually open up next April, or will I be disappointed to find they are still not in demand?

Second, if I join the reserves, I would like to get as much out of it as I can. If possible, I would like to be put on some kind of active duty. I am thinkign about joining the communications reserve. Does anyone now if I stand a chance to getting some real experience with them? ( Again, I'll ask a recruited ASAP, I'm just impatient  :))

Last, I read some of the other threads and saw that others had questions about applying to trades that are not in demand. If I apply to some of the trades listed while they are unavailable, will I be forced to chose a different one if they do not open up by the time my application is processed?

Thanks for any help

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Crackers28 on May 22, 2011, 18:17:59
Anyone have any information about Armour Officer being open/closed?

I spoke to a recruiter about 5 days ago who said it was open.
Title: Re: Officer trades not open until April? What to do until then?
Post by: Romanmaz on May 23, 2011, 15:53:46
Hi everyone,

I want to join the forces as an officer, having finished a degree at a civilian university. I spoke to a recruiter about selecting a trade last week, and she told me all that was opened at the moment was Infantry and Armour. While I have nit ruled out applying for these, they were not my first choices. I wanted to apply to Aerospace Control, Intelligence, Military Police, or Air Combat Systems. Unfortunately most of the desired trades seemed to have been snatched up for this year.I am thinking about joining the reserves in the meantime in order to get an idea of how the military works and to get the 3 month or so background check phase out of the way so I can jump right into a trade when they open up. So, I have a few question about this situation that I hope I can get some help with (I'd call a recruiter but its a a long weekend lol)

First, should I expect any of these trades to actually open up next April, or will I be disappointed to find they are still not in demand?

Second, if I join the reserves, I would like to get as much out of it as I can. If possible, I would like to be put on some kind of active duty. I am thinkign about joining the communications reserve. Does anyone now if I stand a chance to getting some real experience with them? ( Again, I'll ask a recruited ASAP, I'm just impatient  :))

Last, I read some of the other threads and saw that others had questions about applying to trades that are not in demand. If I apply to some of the trades listed while they are unavailable, will I be forced to chose a different one if they do not open up by the time my application is processed?

Thanks for any help
The officer that did my interview told me that after this year there are not very many positions going to be available, they're basically at or above their cap for most trades already so unless WWIII breaks out your chances of getting in after this year are slim. By the way, for anyone trying to get into combat arms, there are supposed to be 6 positions open with the RCD,15 with the PPCLI, and 15 with the RCR, and artillery is officially closed. :camo:
Title: Becoming a DEO (22 Years Old)
Post by: ahmetGQ on May 25, 2011, 16:55:35
Hi there, I'm 22, just graduated with a Business Degree from a Canadian University.  I also have a good deal of professional work experience working at Armani as sales, Future Shop as a manager, Le Chateau as a manager (although, I dont think that will make a difference in any application to the Canadian Forces).

Some of the jobs I am thinking of applying for are

Armoured Officer
Artillery Officer
Infantry Officer
Logistics Officer
Pilot
Air Combat Systems Officer
Aerospace Control Officer
Maritime Surface and Sub Surface Officer

However, I have been informed that the only jobs which are open of the above are armoured officer and infantry officer.

I would prefer to be a pilot, logistics officer, maritime surface and sub surface officer, or aerospace control officer.  When will these trades become open?

Does anyone have any advice for me?  Essentially I want to join the Canadian Forces, Im just not 100% sure which job, and when they will be open.
Title: Re: Becoming a DEO (22 Years Old)
Post by: howitzer89 on May 25, 2011, 17:01:20
Talk to a recruiter.

And last I checked, infantry wasn't open, that was about a week ago according to what they told me at my recruiting office
Title: Re: Becoming a DEO (22 Years Old)
Post by: Romanmaz on May 26, 2011, 14:21:50
Talk to a recruiter.

And last I checked, infantry wasn't open, that was about a week ago according to what they told me at my recruiting office
Bingo. Only way to find out, however most of those positions are closed, especially pilot if you have no previous flight experience
Title: Re: Becoming a DEO (22 Years Old)
Post by: Waters81 on May 26, 2011, 23:33:08
Talk to a recruiter.

And last I checked, infantry wasn't open, that was about a week ago according to what they told me at my recruiting office

Which RC were you at, I spoke with Toronto RC and they told me  that infantry was still open, my other two choices were combat engineer and armored and they were both closed.
Title: Re: Becoming a DEO (22 Years Old)
Post by: tk1234567890 on May 27, 2011, 03:59:20
Hi there, I'm 22, just graduated with a Business Degree from a Canadian University.  I also have a good deal of professional work experience working at Armani as sales, Future Shop as a manager, Le Chateau as a manager (although, I dont think that will make a difference in any application to the Canadian Forces).

Some of the jobs I am thinking of applying for are

Armoured Officer
Artillery Officer
Infantry Officer
Logistics Officer
Pilot
Air Combat Systems Officer
Aerospace Control Officer
Maritime Surface and Sub Surface Officer

However, I have been informed that the only jobs which are open of the above are armoured officer and infantry officer.

I would prefer to be a pilot, logistics officer, maritime surface and sub surface officer, or aerospace control officer.  When will these trades become open?

Does anyone have any advice for me?  Essentially I want to join the Canadian Forces, Im just not 100% sure which job, and when they will be open.

 ;D You basically want to apply to every fields that you are qualified for XD
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ltgrenier on May 27, 2011, 15:59:25
Thinking of joining one of these trades:

- Communicator Research Operator
- Naval Combat Information Operator
- Airborne Electronic Sensor Operator

Anyone know the recruiting status of these trades?

Thanks
Title: Re: Becoming a DEO (22 Years Old)
Post by: mwc on May 27, 2011, 17:43:53
Which RC were you at, I spoke with Toronto RC and they told me  that infantry was still open, my other two choices were combat engineer and armored and they were both closed.

Hah, I was told by CFRC Kitchener that Infantry and CE were closed, Armoured was open. So after having Infantry as my #1 for 10 months, they switched it to Armoured
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: xKraven on May 27, 2011, 20:12:55
mwc - I'm not sure if you're referring to Armoured Crewman or Armour Officer, but when I went to my local RC (CFRC London) for my interview they told me that Crewman was closed along with my other 2 choices: Combat Engineer and Field Artillery.

Sigh, hopefully this next year will pass by as fast as this last year has.  I must say if it's open for you, I'm extremely jealous! haha
Title: Re: Becoming a DEO (22 Years Old)
Post by: Waters81 on May 27, 2011, 21:08:23
Hah, I was told by CFRC Kitchener that Infantry and CE were closed, Armoured was open. So after having Infantry as my #1 for 10 months, they switched it to Armoured

"I'm not sure if you're referring to Armoured Crewman or Armour Officer, but when I went to my local RC (CFRC London) for my interview they told me that Crewman was closed along with my other 2 choices: Combat Engineer and Field Artillery."

Wow, this some confusing stuff...my brain hurts.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: mwc on May 28, 2011, 01:10:22
I was referring to NCM, not officer. Different RC's say different things all the time, so who knows.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: hamr37 on May 28, 2011, 02:16:15
Quote
Different RC's say different things all the time, so who knows.

I was in the CFRC this morning just to have a couple questions I had, answered. "Some reserve units are still accepting applications"
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: sky777 on May 28, 2011, 21:49:25
It looks like no movement in job offers area.  BMQ and BMOQ started recently (May 2011).
Some people already got job offers and BMQ dates  till August.
We have to wait next  wave.
Good luck to all!!!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Mudshuvel on May 29, 2011, 12:30:23
Hey guys,

as mentioned in a few of my last posts, I have been merit listed for ATIS Tech, AVN, and AVS Techs. My file was sent to Halifax for selections. Don't misunderstand me here, I'm not looking for the magical when are they going to call me but I'm more curious on how the selection process work. Do they do all trades all year round, or (as I've been able to find) they get together every month or every 2 months and do random selections for different trades. Could someone weigh in and either direct me to a place that answers that if there is a thread or pm me with  a curt answer? Thanks all.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: sky777 on May 29, 2011, 16:25:04
Do they do all trades all year round, or (as I've been able to find) they get together every month or every 2 months and do random selections for different trades.
It depends on:
1. Trade of your choice (some trades in demand,etc) .May be people from CFRC can tell you exactly according trades you have choosen);
2. Current situation with recruiting in CF;
3. How your local CFRC (your file manager) works;
4. How you are lucky;
5. Stars on the sky  :) .
I suggest you to have patient and wait like me (21 months since I have applied and 2 months as  I have been merit listed).There are a lot of things in this waiting period: improoving fitnes level, second language skills,etc. I just wish you good luck to all who are waiting job offer now.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Craisome on May 30, 2011, 20:30:09
I just did my interview last week and got Major praise for dropping 40+ pounds since my medical.

 I was told I would probably be attending Kingston in September (ATIS Tech) and currently waiting for my offer, I was also told that the Swearing in would most likely happen early August.   

I know my recruitment center is understaffed and is currently booking interviews at 35days +

Hope some of that helps
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Mudshuvel on May 30, 2011, 20:55:28
Craisome,

Unless you have already completed Basic Training, you will not be going to Kingston in September. The recruiters don't know for sure when you'll get sworn in, its up to the selection board and then you get called with a tentative date. If swearing in is in August, then you would be going to BMQ likely in August which is for 3 months. After that, you will most likely go to PAT platoon until the ATIS Tech courses begin again. I'm in the runnings for ATIS Tech as well, and all I was informed by my recruitment center is to expect a few months in PAT Platoon provided I'm accepted.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Craisome on May 30, 2011, 22:40:11
All I know is what i was told,  The person I did my interview with said  my basic would probably be next summer.  He did say I might end up in PAT but that was  only if the POET was full.

Until I get firm dates I won't know for sure.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on May 30, 2011, 23:04:34
All I know is what i was told,  The person I did my interview with said  my basic would probably be next summer. 

You clearly misunderstood what was said to you.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Mudshuvel on May 31, 2011, 10:29:00
All I know is what i was told,  The person I did my interview with said  my basic would probably be next summer.  He did say I might end up in PAT but that was  only if the POET was full.

Until I get firm dates I won't know for sure.

It could have been in reverse. BMQ is Basic Military Qualifications which means you'd have to be qualified to go for the POET. Second point is, the course is technically two years, and if you did BMQ next summer, it would cut into the second half of training.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: lethalLemon on June 08, 2011, 20:46:59
Had my heart broken today... Went into CFRC Calgary and I was informed that there's only 1 spot open for AC Op nationwide :(

Armoured and Combat Engineer are closed... and it's quite possible I don't meet the math requirement for AC Op or AVN Tech... Traffic Tech is also closed, which was very disappointing to hear. My other option was Military Police but... I don't have a Criminal Justice/Law diploma  :'(

Might as well just wait it out and work at Dairy Queen or McDonalds until I complete my interview and something opens.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Occam on June 12, 2011, 12:49:18
It could have been in reverse. BMQ is Basic Military Qualifications which means you'd have to be qualified to go for the POET. Second point is, the course is technically two years, and if you did BMQ next summer, it would cut into the second half of training.

I think you're confusing a couple of things.  POET isn't two years, it's 28 weeks.  Even with ATIS Tech QL3 training it doesn't add up to two years.  You're thinking of NCM-SEP, which would be paid attendance to an approved community college, which would be a two year program.  Secondly, not everyone attends BMQ immediately after enrolment.  Sometimes, NCM-SEP members will do their first year of studies, and then will do BMQ on their summer break between years 1 and 2.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: MrBlue on June 12, 2011, 13:09:03
The CF had updated the website http://www.forces.ca/en/jobexplorer/browsejobs-70  So what it has now is check marks beside jobs that are accepting applications, and a check mark AND star for the in-demand jobs.  That should solve a lot of questions..

Either i'm out of the loop, or they messed up on their site, but it says Infantry is open, and they are accepting applications, when they are overborn and trying to get rid of infanteers left right and centre, meanwhile they are supposedly (according to the site) not accepting applications for other trades I have not heard closures from
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: GFraser on June 13, 2011, 11:43:26
Now the deciding begins. Wanted to apply for Navy Logo but no movement seems to be happening for Logo anytime soon. Might end up trying HCA.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Fiera on June 13, 2011, 23:38:54
Either i'm out of the loop, or they messed up on their site, but it says Infantry is open, and they are accepting applications, when they are overborn and trying to get rid of infanteers left right and centre, meanwhile they are supposedly (according to the site) not accepting applications for other trades I have not heard closures from

As per CFRC Victoria this AM, Infantry IS accepting applications however don't expect to get anywhere. There are (it was either 20 or 40) openings across Canada and about 1000 applicants already in the process of fighting for those spots.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: m.k on June 14, 2011, 00:21:41
I submitted my application in January of 2011, took my CFAT in March and did well. First/second/third choices are Infantry, signal operator and Artillery (field) respectively. I have not yet completed my medical examination (artillery and signal operator closed before I got the chance) and I now have an interview for Infantry at the end of July.

I was told that the interview phase was done first for this trade, as (previously mentioned above) it is an extremely competitive position at this point in time. The recruiter himself warned me that it was going to be virtually impossible for me to get the job.

As disappointed as I am at hearing this, I will still prepare myself as much as possible for the interview and continue persistently in my plight to become a Canadian soldier. I am plagued by my decision to hold off on applying until I was 100% positive it was what I wanted, as when I first tried to apply (July 2010), nothing that struck my fancy was even close to being open.

Bygones will be bygones, and I have come to accept the fact that the possibility of starting BMQ before 2012 is highly unlikely. I guess it's time to go to college while I wait *shudder*
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Mudshuvel on June 14, 2011, 10:07:27
I think you're confusing a couple of things.  POET isn't two years, it's 28 weeks.  Even with ATIS Tech QL3 training it doesn't add up to two years.  You're thinking of NCM-SEP, which would be paid attendance to an approved community college, which would be a two year program.  Secondly, not everyone attends BMQ immediately after enrolment.  Sometimes, NCM-SEP members will do their first year of studies, and then will do BMQ on their summer break between years 1 and 2.

Sorry Occam,

I got ATIS and AVS mixed up. And even AVS Tech is more like 2 academic years, not actual annums. Thats what happens when I post half asleep.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: ltgrenier on June 14, 2011, 13:22:12
Just a FYI: I emailed my CFRC and AES OP is definately closed and they expect it to remain closed until April 2012.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: OkanaganHeat on June 14, 2011, 17:16:03
Was phoned by the recruiting centre today and AEC is closed for the fiscal year and CEOTP is no longer an option for entry from the street. Looks like I will have to go through ROTP this fall and next year as a senior applicant.

Sure is a long way from my original application as an LCIS tech in 2009.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Occam on June 14, 2011, 20:42:49
Sorry Occam,

I got ATIS and AVS mixed up. And even AVS Tech is more like 2 academic years, not actual annums. Thats what happens when I post half asleep.

Nah, I think there's more to it than that.  AVS Tech does POET first, and then a 24 week QL3 course - still doesn't add up to two years, no matter how you slice it.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Mudshuvel on June 20, 2011, 15:10:07
In closed trades: ATIS Tech. Filled its last dozen spots June 15th with calls starting to go out the week of the 20th.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: jml247 on June 25, 2011, 15:56:08
Hey, i was wondering if anyone has applied to Medtech? and how far along they are. I've applied recently, but i am unsure if the trade is open or not. I asked on this before i call and check with the recruits.

thanks!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: acooper on June 27, 2011, 00:10:26
You should have called the recruiters. They're the ones with all the information, not us on this forum....
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Qmedi on June 27, 2011, 18:52:05
Hey, i was wondering if anyone has applied to Medtech? and how far along they are. I've applied recently, but i am unsure if the trade is open or not. I asked on this before i call and check with the recruits.

thanks!

Hello,

I applied for Medical Technician mid April just before completion of my PCP class room portion of training at the JIBC, and as far as i know they are still accepting applications. I have been informed by a recruiting officer that currently my paperwork is held up for scheduling due to a large amount of applicants this year.

Kind Regards.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: jml247 on June 29, 2011, 12:14:31
Oh! I applied early june. But i have just received an email saying that Medical technician is only open on through NCM-SEP. Oh well!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: mariomike on June 29, 2011, 12:20:53
But i have just received an email saying that Medical technician is only open on through NCM-SEP.

For applicants wishing to study in Ontario, this is a list of "Paramedic Programs at Ontario Colleges":
http://www.ontariocolleges.ca/portal/page/portal/ONTCOL/SearchResult/HEALTH-MEDICAL-PARAMEDIC/_/N-lo79Z1z141xz?Dym=1&No=0&Np=1&Nty=1&Qo=20&searchLink=on&metaTagParam=paramedic

There are links to the programs to check what is open/closed for yourself.  For NCM-SEP, check with CFRC if the program is approved.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Craisome on July 13, 2011, 11:46:57
Called my RC today and they told me ATIS is still open and the selection board should be meeting "soon".

Anyone have anymore information ?

"It's all a waiting game now"!!!!

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Mudshuvel on July 14, 2011, 11:41:03
Hey Craisome,

The selection board for ATIS and AVS met June 15th, had 19 spots open prior for ATIS and I know for sure they are at least down 2 with motox and I accepting offers.

They do not meet on a monthly basis so I'm not sure at all what additional information there could be. I was advised that ATIS only met every 3 months (around 90days).

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Mudshuvel on July 14, 2011, 20:24:13
posted something in the wrong thread, whoops  :camo:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Waters81 on July 14, 2011, 23:23:03
Got a call yesterday from Toronto RC to cancel my med test (scheduled for tomorrow) and my interview (scheduled for Monday), apparently infantry is closed. Just wondering if anyone else got the same news?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: mwc on July 14, 2011, 23:43:41
They canceled my CFAT and medical 5 days before back in June. It was for Armoured, since they told me in May that my other 2 choices (Infantry and Combat Engineer) were closed. It was CFRC Kitchener, funny how Infantry for you closed now and for me in May.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Waters81 on July 15, 2011, 00:15:01
They canceled my CFAT and medical 5 days before back in June. It was for Armoured, since they told me in May that my other 2 choices (Infantry and Combat Engineer) were closed. It was CFRC Kitchener, funny how Infantry for you closed now and for me in May.

Yeah, that is odd. I'm still headed up there tomorrow to talk with the Sgt. who was handling my file. I'm a bit peeved that when I reapplied, I was given some incorrect information that cost me 3 weeks. 
Such a pain in the arse.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: SheRa011 on July 15, 2011, 09:38:58
I called National RC in North Bay and was told that Infantry Officer was open.  That was mid week.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: DanKnee on July 15, 2011, 10:02:11
I called National RC in North Bay and was told that Infantry Officer was open.  That was mid week.

I was at CFRC Toronto yesterday making some changes to my file and they mentioned that DEO - Infantry Officer is open.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: astecki on July 15, 2011, 17:34:08
Got a call yesterday from Toronto RC to cancel my med test (scheduled for tomorrow) and my interview (scheduled for Monday), apparently infantry is closed. Just wondering if anyone else got the same news?

Confirmed...spoke to the recruiter, no new applications are being taken for infantry, and some are being shut down in process. 
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Waters81 on July 18, 2011, 02:16:46
Confirmed...spoke to the recruiter, no new applications are being taken for infantry, and some are being shut down in process.
Yep, mine was stopped dead in it's tracks, with only days to go.
*sigh*
, better luck in 9 months I guess, if there are any positions available that is.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: m.k on July 26, 2011, 14:23:40
I have an interview for infantry(ncm) two days from now at cfrc kitchener and the only call i got was last friday, reminding me to bring updated contact information for my references. Would be incredibly disappointing to have my interview cancelled this close to it's date. Does anyone know if all available infantry positions have been filled, or if the trade is simply no longer accepting applications? Sorry if that is an uneducated question.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Romanmaz on July 26, 2011, 17:40:53
I have an interview for infantry(ncm) two days from now at cfrc kitchener and the only call i got was last friday, reminding me to bring updated contact information for my references. Would be incredibly disappointing to have my interview cancelled this close to it's date. Does anyone know if all available infantry positions have been filled, or if the trade is simply no longer accepting applications? Sorry if that is an uneducated question.
No-one here can possibly answer that question for you, either call them, or wait 2 days and find out.
Good luck!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: mwc on July 26, 2011, 20:41:02
I have an interview for infantry(ncm) two days from now at cfrc kitchener and the only call i got was last friday, reminding me to bring updated contact information for my references. Would be incredibly disappointing to have my interview cancelled this close to it's date. Does anyone know if all available infantry positions have been filled, or if the trade is simply no longer accepting applications? Sorry if that is an uneducated question.
When did you have your CFAT/Medical?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: m.k on July 27, 2011, 00:47:23
When did you have your CFAT/Medical?
my CFAT was on March 7th however I have not yet done my medical....the recruiter stated it was due to the trade being extremely competitive, and I assume the medical examination is the more expensive of the two. Rule out the ineligible, save money, i guess.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: mwc on July 27, 2011, 20:24:27
I had my CFAT/Medical (scheduled same day at CFRC Kitchener) Canceled 5 days before back in June. Your file must be more competitive for some reason. Guess being a College Graduate isn't good enough :facepalm: Wish they could of let me write the aptitude test and talk about my fitness level before making the choice.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Ayrsayle on July 27, 2011, 20:39:46
I had my CFAT/Medical (scheduled same day at CFRC Kitchener) Canceled 5 days before back in June. Your file must be more competitive for some reason. Guess being a College Graduate isn't good enough :facepalm: Wish they could of let me write the aptitude test and talk about my fitness level before making the choice.

That was likely the difference - from what I understand they have a huge backlog of qualified applicants for infantry, so the line likely needed to be drawn (Alright, we've got plenty - lets go with the best of what we have at this point, etc). If you had not written a CFAT by that time, that might be why the former poster is continuing on and yours was canceled. Might not have even mattered if your application was absolutely amazing, just a matter of timing.

Might mean you have a much better chance at being selected once infantry opens up again however. No use beating the crap out of yourself as to why others were chosen and you were not when timing is a perfectly reasonable answer as to why.

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: m.k on August 03, 2011, 02:22:00
I had my CFAT/Medical (scheduled same day at CFRC Kitchener) Canceled 5 days before back in June. Your file must be more competitive for some reason. Guess being a College Graduate isn't good enough :facepalm: Wish they could of let me write the aptitude test and talk about my fitness level before making the choice.

did my interview...it was determined that with my current educational background (high school graduate with less than mediocre marks :facepalm:) I am NOT competitive enough to be enrolled for infantry, but the captain who conducted the interview informed me that as soon as i complete my medical and my reference check is done, he can give me a merit listing for artillery. I was then informed that artillery will be filled long before this happens.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: StepDad on August 05, 2011, 12:00:14
What a difference a few years and a poor economy can make. When my stepson was accepted for infantry in late 2007 he got in with a GED, rather strong glasses (vision) and what was at that time mediocre physical condition. Jobs in the outside world were good and available. Now, with the economy the way it's been since late 2008, the CAF can pick and choose from the undoubtedly large number of qualified to over-qualified applicants. My stepson says they are actively tryiing to shed bodies in infantry, encouraging current NCM's to try for CT's and OT's.  Good luck to those trying for infantry but don't make it your only option.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Craisome on August 15, 2011, 22:24:49
http://www.forces.ca/en/jobexplorer/browsejobs-70

Now shows they aren't accepting new applications for ATIS.

I'm going to call tomorrow and see if it's still open, I haven't called in a month I've been so busy. 

Fingers crossed  :salute:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Craisome on August 17, 2011, 19:29:05
ATIS is still Open, just not accepting any new applicants.

 My Grandfather was some happy to hear the RCAF is back, hopefully I can make the cut like he did.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: JB 11 11 on August 25, 2011, 04:03:36
Hey man, don't feel too bad. There are a few people in the same boat. I am one of those people. Quick story:
Applied last summer (June 2010) for SigOp/CBT ENG, missed the window by a week as I had to get a form from the Italian govt. (because I am posted here, I needed a crim check from the Italians??!? What ever. Done)
Fast forward to this year. I decided to get LASIK done, as there was more than enough time to heal up before next intake.... or so I thought. Long story short, I missed the window AGAIN, but this time by about 48 hours. The RC would not push through my Medical clearance due to my LASIK early so I would make the intake... (my file was definitely competitive) oh and also, the person handling my file went on leave at this time. I found that out when I flew home to personally ensure I got through on time as I knew the window was about to close.... SURPRISE! The look on thier faces when I showed up and they had to tell me: "Oh...Hi...what are you doing here? erm... no one told you? The Trades are closed. Jeeze, sorry 'bout that" told me everything. But, nobodies perfect, least of all the RC.

Sadly, getting into the CF these days is akin to shooting craps. You could come up Aces or not.... judging by the 44 pages of "Yeah... but my the RC said this" its about 50/50 at best. Start blowin' on those dice kids, I am! ;)

My :2c:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Romanmaz on August 25, 2011, 09:32:14
Hey man, don't feel too bad. There are a few people in the same boat. I am one of those people. Quick story:
Applied last summer (June 2010) for SigOp/CBT ENG, missed the window by a week as I had to get a form from the Italian govt. (because I am posted here, I needed a crim check from the Italians??!? What ever. Done)
Fast forward to this year. I decided to get LASIK done, as there was more than enough time to heal up before next intake.... or so I thought. Long story short, I missed the window AGAIN, but this time by about 48 hours. The RC would not push through my Medical clearance due to my LASIK early so I would make the intake... (my file was definitely competitive) oh and also, the person handling my file went on leave at this time. I found that out when I flew home to personally ensure I got through on time as I knew the window was about to close.... SURPRISE! The look on thier faces when I showed up and they had to tell me: "Oh...Hi...what are you doing here? erm... no one told you? The Trades are closed. Jeeze, sorry 'bout that" told me everything. But, nobodies perfect, least of all the RC.

Sadly, getting into the CF these days is akin to shooting craps. You could come up Aces or not.... judging by the 44 pages of "Yeah... but my the RC said this" its about 50/50 at best. Start blowin' on those dice kids, I am! ;)

My :2c:
Although I agree that they aren't perfect, I don't agree with how you are trying to make them seem completely incompetent due to issues that came up in your file. Did you expect them to make special exceptions for you?

My  :2c: (No Offense)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: lethalLemon on August 25, 2011, 11:44:41
Well, I had fun. I had selected Air Weapons Tech. I'm now at 2 years and counting, trying to get in, my Top3 have always been Armoured Crewman, Combat Engineer, and Traffic Tech but... due to closures, I selected other choices that tickled my fancy, this being #1.

My file was transferred from Vancouver, everything was intact and correct, all I needed to do was my Interview. My File Manager says: "Okay, well, you'll get a call in 2 weeks time to book your interview. Until then, there's nothing we can do."

So, I waited.

And waited.

And waited some more.

After 1 week, I called to keep tabs, and they dump ALL OVER ME: "Oh, well, all the trades you selected are now closed... and that happened about 3 days ago. OH, but you can choose from Communicator Research Operator or Steward."

The thing that really bothers me is that nobody even bother to call on the day they closed to say "Sorry". Oh well I guess. Just have to wait some more.  :(
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: JB 11 11 on August 25, 2011, 18:07:05
Although I agree that they aren't perfect, I don't agree with how you are trying to make them seem completely incompetent due to issues that came up in your file. Did you expect them to make special exceptions for you?

My  :2c: (No Offense)

I think calling the RC incompetent is a bit strong. A more apt term would be "Dropped the Ball" and yes, I most definitely think that they dropped the ball in my case. But Im over it. It happens. I would go into detail, but its not the time or the place. But just for you I'll be clearer about one point in particular: The "issue" was not with my file, as I was medically cleared before the trade closed (I pushed for early clearance because I was worried I wouldn't make the cut off and was also well above the minimum vision req. at the time, 20/20 infact) but not before the person that was dealing with my file went on leave. Do the math. But like I said it happens.

That said, I am quite certain that had you been subject to the same scenario and not got onto your September BMQ because of it, you'd be singing a different tune.  But you got in so your happy with the system and thats great. But please.... do not put words in my mouth because of it.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Waters81 on August 25, 2011, 19:33:58
I think "Dropped the Ball" is a good way of putting it. I had a similar experience...on a couple of occasions actually. This year I missed the cutoff by a week. Long story short, I called in March to confirm whether or not I should reapply where I had originally done so, or  at the RC closest to me? They told me to go where I had originally applied., so I did. I called back a week later to make sure that everything was in order, and low and behold, my file was transferred to the RC closer to where I'm living because they were no longer accepting apps, they were becoming strictly a testing center. It took another 2 weeks for my file to be processed. Had everything good to go (Med/Interview) only to get a call two days before to be told "Sorry, the trades you chose are now closed".
Granted, these things happen, and after 4 years of trying to get, it has unfortunately become the norm. Just a bit mind boggling that recruiters wouldn't know that an RC is no longer accepting apps???
Maybe it's just me.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Romanmaz on August 25, 2011, 21:18:15
I think calling the RC incompetent is a bit strong. A more apt term would be "Dropped the Ball" and yes, I most definitely think that they dropped the ball in my case. But Im over it. It happens. I would go into detail, but its not the time or the place. But just for you I'll be clearer about one point in particular: The "issue" was not with my file, as I was medically cleared before the trade closed (I pushed for early clearance because I was worried I wouldn't make the cut off and was also well above the minimum vision req. at the time, 20/20 infact) but not before the person that was dealing with my file went on leave. Do the math. But like I said it happens.

That said, I am quite certain that had you been subject to the same scenario and not got onto your September BMQ because of it, you'd be singing a different tune. But you got in so your happy with the system and thats great. But please.... do not put words in my mouth because of it.
Previous Quote:
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I decided to get LASIK done, as there was more than enough time to heal up before next intake.... or so I thought. Long story short, I missed the window AGAIN, but this time by about 48 hours. The RC would not push through my Medical clearance due to my LASIK early so I would make the intake...
-(Yellow Highlights) Some contradiction going on here....

My application did not go very smooth either, the RC I began my file with was downgraded into an office, forcing my file to be transferred.(I'm guessing me and you both started at CFRC Mississauga Waters?) At which point there was over a month gap between initial transfer and me being able to get in touch with anyone to schedule an interview. It's life, s**t doesn't always go as planned, you have to adjust to the situation and make the best out of it.
As to putting words into your mouth, that was not my intention. Disregard it.


Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: JB 11 11 on August 26, 2011, 03:06:42
Consider it disregarded.

As for the contradiction, its why I thought it better to be clear about my situation as I had worded the first post poorly. It all just came down to bad timing on everyones part. If I had scheduled my LASIK earlier, or the sgt. had not gone on leave....or had I not been on posting, I think that I would have most definitely got in.

To be fair, it was a challenge from the start as I am not in Canada and therefore all correspondence was done via email and phone. They did a great job IMHO up until the last moment when it really counted.

However, now that Im coming back home, I'll be on hand and able to go in personally to talk to the staff. You tend to get much more when in person than via email. ;D
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Craisome on August 26, 2011, 13:43:42
The Staff are the RC are only Human, but then again I was pretty upset when I  got a call a few hours before my interview saying ACISS was closed. 

My attitude is as long as it all works out in the end I'm happy.  If all I have to do is wait and work out to get my dream job pffft easy. 
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Wilamanjaro on August 28, 2011, 20:19:03
I have been merit listed since March,
I met a guy who was applying for the same trade, I thought I'd keep in touch with him and find out if he got the offer.
He was merit listed 2 months after I was, and just last Friday he got "the call".

I haven't heard a single thing for months now, even with all my "checking in". So I'm going to be calling on Monday to find out if they forgot about me.

Am I allowed to be a little choked that this guy, being my age, with the same background and qualifications got the offer and I didn't? Even though I've been on the list at least 2 months prior to him?  :rage:

There was a actually a conversation I had where I was told I "HAD been called in" but they retracted that statement and said they were "confused", but I won't even get into that.

So fingers crossed that I finally hear something and can have SOME sort of idea as to what is going on with my life. Good luck to you all as well.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PMedMoe on August 28, 2011, 21:52:53
Am I allowed to be a little choked that this guy, being my age, with the same background and qualifications got the offer and I didn't? Even though I've been on the list at least 2 months prior to him?  :rage:

Of course you are.  But, how do you know where each of you were on the merit list?  He may have been higher than you.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Waters81 on August 29, 2011, 02:29:43
Previous Quote: -(Yellow Highlights) Some contradiction going on here....

My application did not go very smooth either, the RC I began my file with was downgraded into an office, forcing my file to be transferred.(I'm guessing me and you both started at CFRC Mississauga Waters?)  At which point there was over a month gap between initial transfer and me being able to get in touch with anyone to schedule an interview. It's life, s**t doesn't always go as planned, you have to adjust to the situation and make the best out of it.
As to putting words into your mouth, that was not my intention. Disregard it.

You got it
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Wilamanjaro on August 29, 2011, 02:36:14
Of course you are.  But, how do you know where each of you were on the merit list?  He may have been higher than you.

Thanks moe,

But when I met him he still had not completed medical testing. And at that time I had already been merit listed for 6 or 7 weeks, I don't believe he was higher up than I was. Either way I'll have news tomorrow! I will let you know what happens, in a happy, relieved sort of mood ;D, or a super duper, panties in a bunch sort of way :crybaby:.

This forum's been a great help. Lots of venting on my part. Thanks all.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: charlee on August 29, 2011, 02:45:46
Thanks moe,

But when I met him he still had not completed medical testing. And at that time I had already been merit listed for 6 or 7 weeks, I don't believe he was higher up than I was. Either way I'll have news tomorrow! I will let you know what happens, in a happy, relieved sort of mood ;D, or a super duper, panties in a bunch sort of way :crybaby:.

This forum's been a great help. Lots of venting on my part. Thanks all.


How do you know his aptitude test score wasn't higher than yours?  How do you know he didn't do better on the interview than you? ::)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: kratz on August 29, 2011, 08:19:27
Driection attention to the thread below seems appropriate at this time:

THE CF DOES NOT OWE YOU A JOB (http://forums.navy.ca/forums/index.php/topic,91259.0.html)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Romanmaz on August 29, 2011, 14:29:24
Driection attention to the thread below seems appropriate at this time:

THE CF DOES NOT OWE YOU A JOB (http://forums.navy.ca/forums/index.php/topic,91259.0.html)
+1
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: JB 11 11 on August 30, 2011, 06:11:07
+1

LOL! Did you just get a PM from Kratz? ;D
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Craisome on September 16, 2011, 11:23:01
Called today ATIS selections have not been made. ... yet
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: OntarioGuy on October 11, 2011, 12:30:15
Just a note:

Called the local CFRC today and they said all NCM trades are closed with the exception of skilled (Weapons Tech., and Firefighter I think). They said for me to re-apply in March 2012 for the next fiscal year.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Craisome on October 11, 2011, 12:41:53
Just a note:

Called the local CFRC today and they said all NCM trades are closed with the exception of skilled (Weapons Tech., and Firefighter I think). They said for me to re-apply in March 2012 for the next fiscal year.

:( calling to confirm after lunch hour, I will let everyone know.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: wings19 on October 11, 2011, 12:55:33
firefighter has been closed for a very long time, I would be surprised if it were open
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Jhunt on October 11, 2011, 13:03:39
dannyboy, it could be a possibility that trades that were open for your RC are closed but not for others. What RC are you with?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Bart905 on October 11, 2011, 13:25:10
any inside on when will the infantry will be opened for application ?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: OntarioGuy on October 11, 2011, 14:34:51
dannyboy, it could be a possibility that trades that were open for your RC are closed but not for others. What RC are you with?

I called both Oshawa and Toronto. Though I believe they are connected in some way, so they probably have the same information. If someone wanted to call a different RC then maybe some different information could be present. I would love to be able to complete my application before next April, but I will be patient.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Searyn on October 11, 2011, 16:50:43
any inside on when will the infantry will be opened for application ?

Short answer, April 2012 maybe. (But send your application in February/March)

Long answer, Once combat arms (Infantry, Artillery, Combat Engineer, Armored) trades are closed they tend to be closed solid until the next fiscal year. I've been applying to Combat Engineer since 2010. I decided to apply in April 2010, that was too late to do any processing that year so I waited until 2011 to do all the processing, but was merit listed about a week before CE closed. Now I'm waiting until 2012 to *hopefully* get my offer. I know of people who have waited much longer. If you're applying to the military or thinking of it, decide if it's really what you want and then wait for it. From what I hear and from what I'm expecting, it'll be worth it.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Craisome on October 17, 2011, 12:03:09
:( calling to confirm after lunch hour, I will let everyone know.

I stopped by the RC today,  Most trades are closed but I was told it doesn't affect you if you are already on the merit listed.

Still no selection board for ATIS.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PuckChaser on October 27, 2011, 09:50:41
Here's a quick blurb on recruiting numbers for this year and next year from the CFCWO on Facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/CFCWO (http://www.facebook.com/CFCWO)
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Canadian Forces Chief Warrant Officer
Just thought I would update you on the status of the Regular Force as of 30th of September we have 68,032 serving and plan to hold that number until 2014. We will recruit about 4000 this year our attrition rate is between 6% and 7% which means that if it doesn't change we will recruit about 4500 next year. All speculation aside we are doing well.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: DogFighting101 on October 27, 2011, 10:15:04
Here's a quick blurb on recruiting numbers for this year and next year from the CFCWO on Facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/CFCWO (http://www.facebook.com/CFCWO)

Thanks Puckchaser, it is reassuring that they are recruiting, even if it is low numbers!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: OntarioGuy on October 30, 2011, 11:24:14
Thanks Puckchaser, it is reassuring that they are recruiting, even if it is low numbers!

No complaints from me! 4000 seems like a decent amount of people to recruit. Considering ~1000 seem to be applying for Infantry alone, this should allow for a slight decrease in competition for the other trades. :camo:
Title: Anyway to know how many positions are opening next year?
Post by: Wilamanjaro on November 01, 2011, 09:21:50
And possibly how many of each trade?
Title: Re: Anyway to know how many positions are opening next year?
Post by: DogFighting101 on November 01, 2011, 09:29:43
And possibly how many of each trade?

Nope, generalized numbers are released as to how many (and even then its situational), but not which trades. We'll have to wait until the recruiters get the numbers, which is usually around early to mid April.
Title: Re: Anyway to know how many positions are opening next year?
Post by: PuckChaser on November 01, 2011, 09:52:15
And possibly how many of each trade?

However many they need to cover 6 to 7% attrition. You'll get numbers on 1 Apr 2012 like everyone else.
Title: Re: Anyway to know how many positions are opening next year?
Post by: jasonf6 on November 01, 2011, 11:10:32
I applied online through North Bay and they (I guess because they are the national recruiting centre) had more up-to-date info with regards to openings.  I asked CFRC Ottawa about RMS Clerk openings and they couldn't tell me anything; however, when I talked to North Bay they told me it was opening in October of this year.  Even the forces.ca website doesn't have it as accepting applications which is odd.

Title: Re: Anyway to know how many positions are opening next year?
Post by: frank1515 on November 01, 2011, 11:19:12
I asked CFRC Ottawa about RMS Clerk openings and they couldn't tell me anything;

I find that hard to believe. It's their job to answer your questions. I'm sure they didn't say "I can't tell you". They probably told you that they have nothing new to report or something to that extent.

Even the forces.ca website doesn't have it as accepting applications which is odd.

As previously stated, not odd at all.  The recruiting numbers change daily/weekly/ frequently and to have someone hired exclusively to update the website every time something new comes up would be a waste of ressources and money. They update it when they can, that is why giving them a call is always the fastest way to obtain accurate information.
Title: Re: Anyway to know how many positions are opening next year?
Post by: jasonf6 on November 01, 2011, 11:24:58
I find that hard to believe. It's their job to answer your questions. I'm sure they didn't say "I can't tell you". They probably told you that they have nothing new to report or something to that extent.

Okay, I didn't mean they said "We can't tell you".  I meant they didnt have information as to when RMS Clerk would open and wouldn't even accept an application to hold for when it did open. :)

As previously stated, not odd at all.  The recruiting numbers change daily/weekly/ frequently and to have someone hired exclusively to update the website every time something new comes up would be a waste of ressources and money. They update it when they can, that is why giving them a call is always the fastest way to obtain accurate information.

While you are right that it would be tedious to update the website for each time a trade opened up I do find it hard to believe that they don't update it when a trade is accepting applications.  There is a feature to search based on Enlisted, Officer, Accepting Applications and the like so that should be updated when possible.  If they can't update it in a timely fashion that search feature should not be active.
Title: Re: Anyway to know how many positions are opening next year?
Post by: dapaterson on November 01, 2011, 11:38:30
How it works (for the Regular Force):

Every fall, an Annual Military Occupation Review (or AMOR) is conducted foreach occupation.  That's where promotions are planned, and the overall health of each occupation is assessed.  This includes looking at what is required for recruiting.

All the requirements for all the CF occupations are rolled up.  These are mapped against recruiting and training capacity, and prioritized.  It may be that a trade is short of people, but the gap manageable and it wouldn't be cost-effective to run a trades course, so there will be no intake into that trade for the coming year.  By the same token, another trade may be healthy, by the demographics show that there will be a lot of releases in the enxt 3 years, so they'll start recruiting early to head off a problem.

Once all those factors are considered the Strategic Intake Plan is put together; that is then further sub-divided into external intake (through the Recruiting Group) and internal intake (occupational transfers and component transfers).
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: acj on November 01, 2011, 17:59:50
When I contacted my RC they WOULDN'T tell the numbers for my area in regards to RMS.  I had to find out most of my information on here.  So not every RC gives you the information you need...
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: frank1515 on November 01, 2011, 21:07:00
You don't NEED to know how many RMS clerk position is available. It's nice to have though. I thought they didn't recruit by region but Canada-wide... can someone please refresh my memory! All this Reg Force recruiting is giving me a head ache! The reserves is so much simpler with regards to positions!!! If they have one, they offer it. If they don't, they don't recruit. That simple.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on November 01, 2011, 22:21:18
That simple.

Its also pretty simple for the regular force applicant. Just accept that you don't need to know and that even of you do know, its not useful information.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: lethalLemon on November 03, 2011, 07:27:52
When I contacted my RC they WOULDN'T tell the numbers for my area in regards to RMS.  I had to find out most of my information on here.  So not every RC gives you the information you need...


CFRC Calgary told me there were 100 national positions for Infantry open as of June 2011... did that help me at all? No, pretty useless as by the time I was given an appointment for interview, there were no positions remaining anyway.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Brihard on November 03, 2011, 11:48:08
My girlfriend applied for RMS close to a month ago here in Ottawa. Yesterday she got the 'your file will not be further considered' letter without even getting to her CFAT- this with a relevant college diploma and steady employment history, a trade that was explicitly hiring late in the fiscal year and that was only at about 32% of their intake for the year at the last published report.

This is purely speculation on my part, but I suspect the recent announcement about capping the RegF numbers coupled with the federal strategic review may be throwing for a loop a lot of the numbers we were previously given about number of spots open, etc. Is anyone in a position to comment on whether there is a de facto hiring freeze now in place for RMS? I would think they're probably anticipating less attrition with fewer public and private sector jobs for clerks to hop out to.

I'm in the position right now of trying to comfort someone who just had the rug yanked right out from under her- she was 100% set on this.  :( Anything that helps fill this picture in would be much appreciated. I need to try to help her figure out whether there are specific deficiencies in her case, or whether she's more the unfortunate victim of circumstance.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: DogFighting101 on November 03, 2011, 12:50:53
My girlfriend applied for RMS close to a month ago here in Ottawa. Yesterday she got the 'your file will not be further considered' letter without even getting to her CFAT- this with a relevant college diploma and steady employment history, a trade that was explicitly hiring late in the fiscal year and that was only at about 32% of their intake for the year at the last published report.

This is purely speculation on my part, but I suspect the recent announcement about capping the RegF numbers coupled with the federal strategic review may be throwing for a loop a lot of the numbers we were previously given about number of spots open, etc. Is anyone in a position to comment on whether there is a de facto hiring freeze now in place for RMS? I would think they're probably anticipating less attrition with fewer public and private sector jobs for clerks to hop out to.

I'm in the position right now of trying to comfort someone who just had the rug yanked right out from under her- she was 100% set on this.  :( Anything that helps fill this picture in would be much appreciated. I need to try to help her figure out whether there are specific deficiencies in her case, or whether she's more the unfortunate victim of circumstance.

Dunno if this will help, but i called about 3 weeks ago to the national recruitment office, and they guy told me that all trades we're now closed for 2011. The attrition % was also established at 6-7% for 2012, and the cap of 68000 has always been in place. They are currently over staffed in certain areas of the CF, and that cap has already been passed. They still expect to recruit about 4500 or so FT members for 2012, but certain trades/professions will have less openings. It was posted on the National defense government website that trades like infantry are currently overfilled but trades for technicians and support still lack the numbers in certain domains. Even with the cap of 68000, and exceeding this cap even, they will still recruit what they need, it may just be that they don't need RMS clerks anymore.

P.S. What is said in the media can be misinterpreted, take a look at what is posted on the national defense website if you want more accurate information.
http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/home-accueil-eng.asp

Edit: Grammar and added the Government website link.
Title: Not Hiring?
Post by: Tuna on November 22, 2011, 11:18:21
I have heard that the combat arms are not currently hiring? Is this all 4? or just a couple?
Title: Re: Not Hiring?
Post by: aesop081 on November 22, 2011, 11:34:05
I have heard that the combat arms are not currently hiring? Is this all 4? or just a couple?

Ask whoever you "heard" it from.........
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: jasonf6 on November 22, 2011, 12:03:48
My girlfriend applied for RMS close to a month ago here in Ottawa. Yesterday she got the 'your file will not be further considered' letter without even getting to her CFAT- this with a relevant college diploma and steady employment history, a trade that was explicitly hiring late in the fiscal year and that was only at about 32% of their intake for the year at the last published report.

I sent my application for RMS Clerk online to CFNRC in North Bay because when I tried to apply before the trade was open at CFRC Ottawa they told me they wouldn't accept it.  North Bay holds on to your file until the trade opens up at which time they courier it to your nearest RC. 

Don't lose hope as RMS Clerk is one of the largest trades in the military and even with a low attrition will always need people.  Now, that doesn't mean they will run a QL3 two to three times a year but I myself, my opinion, can't see it being a trade that is closed for long.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Brihard on November 22, 2011, 18:59:51
Thanks, I'd forgotten I'd posted in this one.

We figured out that her first application was just too bare in details. She submitted a new one just this morning that I helped her with, and was told by the recruiter in a side by side comparison of her new file and her old one that she should be just fine to make the first 'skim' of the file and get invited to a CFAT.

So I'm hopeful for her... And at the same time now find myself in that position I've read so much about of a partner worrying about their 'other' going off for basic and then God knows where. Ah well. At least I can appreciate the irony.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Jhunt on November 24, 2011, 09:43:01
wondering if any supply techs have got the call, it seems they have hired hardly any from the civilian world this year
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: jasonf6 on November 24, 2011, 09:54:03
wondering if any supply techs have got the call, it seems they have hired hardly any from the civilian world this year
I dunno but that was my 2nd choice should the RMO in Ottawa not approve my med file in time, if he/she even does. 
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Jhunt on November 24, 2011, 10:13:05
i know for air force there were only two positions left not sure about the other elements. So far though i have not seen anyone getting calls for it.
Title: WFE Tech Course Dates
Post by: Mannheim001 on January 16, 2012, 18:27:56
Does anyone know when the next board sits and when the next course for WFE  is running?  I am trying to OT into the trade and have already met with the BPSO--am just trying to get a feel for the course schedule.
Title: Re: WFE Tech Course Dates
Post by: NFLD Sapper on January 16, 2012, 18:31:20
CFSME 2012-2013 Course calendar will not be out till late Feb....
Title: Re: WFE Tech Course Dates
Post by: Eye In The Sky on January 16, 2012, 22:51:28
If by board you're referring to the AVOTP selection boards, they "should" sit very soon.  The deadline for PSO shops to have files to D Mil C was 15 Jan.

The target date for the initial rounds of offers for VOT this year is 01 Mar, with the second rounds targetted for 01 Apr.

Subject to change of course...
Title: Re: WFE Tech Course Dates
Post by: Mannheim001 on January 17, 2012, 11:56:04
Thanks for the input.
Title: Re: WFE Tech Course Dates
Post by: Eye In The Sky on January 17, 2012, 12:02:19
I know a 3s course just started recently, one of the guys in the building here has a wife who is on it.  7 months for the 3s.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: OntarioGuy on January 23, 2012, 20:39:11
Tried calling the local CFRC today, but nobody answered. Has anyone heard lately if the trades marked as "accepting applications" on the website is accurate, or is the website out of sync?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Allgunzblazing on January 23, 2012, 22:25:41
This is as per the National Recruiting Contact Centre - the trades with a green check against them are likely to open in the coming fiscal year. So if one is interested in those trades, they're welcome to apply. Which is what they mean by "accepting applications". However processing will only begin in the new fiscal when they have firm intake numbers.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Deelo on January 23, 2012, 22:29:02
Tried calling the local CFRC today, but nobody answered. Has anyone heard lately if the trades marked as "accepting applications" on the website is accurate, or is the website out of sync?

I spoke to my file manager last week; based on that conversation, I believe the website is fairly current.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: brian8225 on January 23, 2012, 22:36:03
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Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: estoguy on January 24, 2012, 12:24:25
I did notice on the website that more trades (at least DEO ones) were now marked as "Accepting Applications" in the last couple of weeks.  So hopefully that is good news.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Allgunzblazing on January 24, 2012, 16:30:49
I have been told (by the local RC) that at this time jobs are available only in six trades - listed on the website. The rest (with the green checks) are for ROTP and/ or are likely to open in April.
Title: Re: WFE Tech Course Dates
Post by: kheath86 on January 29, 2012, 22:16:58
12 Jan is the last one that started, and hope ur good in math and multi-tasking!
Title: Re: WFE Tech Course Dates
Post by: Mannheim001 on February 06, 2012, 21:20:46
Not too worried about math or multi-tasking, signed my offer today so I'll be headed over to CFSME shortly. 
Title: Re: WFE Tech Course Dates
Post by: Eye In The Sky on February 06, 2012, 21:39:02
Congrats.  Looks like D Mil C is ahead of the game alittle this year for the OT offers.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: big45-70 on March 21, 2012, 21:19:02
Any word on Infantry being open this year?  I'm planning on heading down there on Tuesday to apply again.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Eye In The Sky on March 22, 2012, 11:32:18
Don't know the answer on that for sure, but I am looking at the Occupation Status forcecast for 31 Mar, and Infmn is showing to be overstrength by 400ish.  If thats any indicator, I'd not hold my breath for a position.

CFRCs, of course, would have the definite answer.
Title: Re: WFE Tech Course Dates
Post by: Mannheim001 on May 20, 2012, 17:54:21
It's been awhile but I have got another WFE question.  Can anybody tell me if WFE techs are posted after their threes, OJT or fives?  BTW, no course til January 13 at this point.
Title: Infantry recruiting date.
Post by: Bryanstorring on June 27, 2012, 23:46:59
Hey guys, so basically im curious when will the Canadian Forces be recruiting for the infantry again. I ask this because i hear several different answers. I plan to join within 2013 if not 2012 and im looking to get into any of the combat trades from armourd(think i spelled that wrong lol) soldier to infantry.
What do you guys hear, or know? And another question, when is it best to apply?

Title: Re: Infantry recruiting date.
Post by: TSpoon on June 28, 2012, 00:50:34
Get the ball rolling as soon as you can.go and apply tomorow if you're sure you want to do this, it can take months and sometimes years before you get a job offer(espicially for the combat arms).By the way it's spelt armoured .As for the selection dates, I've heard several different things aswell.Some recruiters will tell you and others won't, but you're better off just not worrying about it and focusing on improving the qualities they're looking for in an applicant.I hope this helps :cdn:
Title: Re: Infantry recruiting date.
Post by: PMedMoe on June 28, 2012, 08:03:57
Mods, I wonder if this should be merged into this thread: Trades OPEN / Closed ? (http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,88342.1150.html)

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Infantry recruiting date.
Post by: Scott on June 28, 2012, 08:54:40
Hey guys, so basically im curious when will the Canadian Forces be recruiting for the infantry again. I ask this because i hear several different answers. I plan to join within 2013 if not 2012 and im looking to get into any of the combat trades from armourd(think i spelled that wrong lol) soldier to infantry.
What do you guys hear, or know? And another question, when is it best to apply?

Try using the spellcheck if you think you've spelled something wrong.

And please search before posting new topics.

Scott
Staff

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Hatchet Man on June 28, 2012, 11:23:32
We are recruiting for infantry, not in large numbers though.
Title: WFE course in Halifax rather than Gagetown?
Post by: Mannheim001 on August 10, 2012, 13:27:02
There is a rumor that the next WFE Tech three's course will be run out of the Halifax vocational school or perhaps that two courses will be run similtaneously in Halifax and Gagetown.  Does anybody know if there is any truth to this rumor.  No WFE tech three's course is showing on CFSME's calendar so far.......
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: deranger on August 26, 2012, 23:10:04
How about Communicator Research Operator, might there be openings there? There is no green check mark on the recruiting site's postings but a friend told me that didn't necessarily mean anything. Just wondering if anyone knew better...
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on August 26, 2012, 23:17:02
Recruiting centres are open in the morning. Call one.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: deranger on August 27, 2012, 06:23:57
Already on my agenda to go in person bright and early this morning, CDN Aviator, but thanks for the tip. lol

Makes me wonder why there is a "Trades OPEN / Closed ?" forum...
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: gcclarke on September 04, 2012, 11:40:46
Already on my agenda to go in person bright and early this morning, CDN Aviator, but thanks for the tip. lol

Makes me wonder why there is a "Trades OPEN / Closed ?" forum...

Because people keep asking us despite tehf act that we keep telling them that we're not the ones to be asking.

And of course, the occasional update from someone who actually heard from an actual recruiter that a particular trade is closed or open. Which is often out of date information by the time they hit "post".
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: MyBestChoice on September 10, 2012, 17:09:16
I tried all last week to contact a recruiter but without success. So I ask the forum participants who have talked to a recruiter and that they have obtained information on the availability of the trade "Naval Combat Systems Engineer". I have a question for you : Is it close or is it going to be a selection date? I know this forum is not official...., bear witness: someone might be lucky to talk to a recruiter than others. This is the least we can ask in a forum. If someone finds my question did not belong here please refrain from responding, that's all. Thank you

Sincerely yours
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Guelph on September 13, 2012, 12:14:17
My $0.02 - If you want to apply, then just do it and see where the chips fall, so to speak.


Just DO IT. That's where I'm at personally. We can ask 13,563 questions to people here, but you just have to do it to truly find out, and go from there. It took me a long time to get that through my own head, but better later than never.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: DAA on September 13, 2012, 13:10:30
"Naval Combat Systems Engineer". I have a question for you : Is it close or is it going to be a selection date?

OPEN for DEO applicants ONLY.....
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Eye In The Sky on September 13, 2012, 13:46:02
OPEN for DEO applicants ONLY.....

?

Are you looking at this years SIP, or do you know the ROTP slots are full-up already?  Curious as the SIP shows 15 positions for ROTP for 00344 NCS Eng along with 22 DEO positions (for the year, not currently).

Again to all interested, CFRCs have the 'currently open' #s, the SIP is a 'total' for this fiscal year.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: DAA on September 13, 2012, 15:04:21
Are you looking at this years SIP, or do you know the ROTP slots are full-up already? 

"Yes" to both your questions above....
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: wizesion on September 22, 2012, 08:46:41
Just an update for the readers of this topic.

Combat Engineer and Infantry trades are closed.

A couple more time to volunteer and train! LETS GO!!!  :camo:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: MeatheadMick on September 22, 2012, 20:59:40
Since I've recently been working with the Infantry, I see it's not only my trade that is suffering from lack of manpower. I still don't see why so many trades are not accepting applicants even though they seem to be undermanned...

An Infantry Platoon should not be Section sized... nor should a Combat Arms base be Patrolled by a 2 man MP Shift...

Numbers on Paper are not accurate counts of trade strength.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on September 22, 2012, 21:02:23


Numbers on Paper are not accurate counts of trade strength.

There's more to how many people are in an MOS than just what you seen in one battalion.

An MOS is authorized a specific number of people. When that number is reached, the trade is full, regardless of how they are actually distributed through the CF.

In essence, you should be saying "numbers in a battalion are not accurate counts of trade strength".
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: MeatheadMick on September 22, 2012, 21:09:37
Understood, and also get that members of CSOR or members on other taskings, med cats, etc. etc. don't get included or rather deducted from said trade strength. It was enlightening to see other trades own shortfalls on manning issues when the trade is supposedly ''closed'' or ''green''. I always scratched my head on to why MP was included in the "Green" strength as the turnover rate is high... being employed with the combat arms showed me that the issues are not trade specific.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on September 22, 2012, 21:16:53
when the trade is supposedly ''closed'' or ''green''.

It is not "supposedly". Trades like that have hit their authorized strength (some are even over), thus they are green. Just because there are 8 guys in a unit where there should be 10 is not an indication of the strength of the trade and wether it should be recruiting or not.

In some MOS, the situation is even stranger. In one MOS i am familiar with, trade numbers are good but at the unit level, they are all new and still in various stages of OJT (i.e. not fully trained), with a shortage of trained and experienced members to train them. Situations like this take several years to correct.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: George Wallace on September 22, 2012, 21:36:15
All those guys filling positions at all of the various Schools are taking from these numbers.  Don't forget those who are ERE at Reserve units as well.   Therein lies the problem.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PeterL on September 24, 2012, 17:24:14
I applied and had my CFAT done back in August and have been trying to book an interview since then. I'm applying for a Reg Force trade and fear that it's going to get filled up by the time the Toronto CFRC gets me an interview. They did my references and my qualifications are fine including my CFAT score but I have been unable to  get any solid answer from anyone as to when I could get an interview done.

The file managers who allegedly conduct the interview bookings are never answering calls or voice messages. I've tried them early in the morning and at the end of the work day. The only time I've reached them they told me to ty back in 2 weeks. This was 4 weeks ago...

I don't really have any one recruiter assigned to my file, I've dealt with several people along the way.

Am I doing something wrong here?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Allgunzblazing on September 24, 2012, 17:54:06
The RC staff are obviously extremely busy. Why don't you just go there in person. This might involve taking time off from work, but it'll be worth while. It'll be a good idea to jot down everything that you'd like to clarify, so that you can get the most out of the visit.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PeterL on September 24, 2012, 18:08:07
The RC staff are obviously extremely busy. Why don't you just go there in person. This might involve taking time off from work, but it'll be worth while. It'll be a good idea to jot down everything that you'd like to clarify, so that you can get the most out of the visit.

I did actually take a day off to see a recruiter in person. It turned out my file was misplaced and largely forgotten. Then the recruiter tried to force me into another trade because it had more openings and seemed visibly upset when I declined to commit 5 years of my life to something I had no ambition for. Then when I asked if he could schedule an interview for me on the spot he seemed disinterested and told me to keep doing what I've been doing for the past 2 months..

I understand it is a busy time of the year but the place just seems lost in chaos.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on September 24, 2012, 18:23:28
but the place just seems lost in chaos.

I'm sorry but just because you did not hear what you wanted to it does not make it "lost in chaos".
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: SharkmanSIX on September 24, 2012, 18:27:20
I had a very different experience.
I went through the process relatively quick (CFAT early August, interview late August, BMQ October). So the issue isn't with their organization or lack there of. I found them to be extremely on the ball and I was only applying for NCM Combat Engineer/Infantry.
I think the issue lies in the trade you want (which is that btw?) and perhaps your suitability considering possible competition.

What I mean is, and please don't take this personally as I dont know your situation or the state of your application, but the guys at the Toronto CFRC can't flat out say your not up to the cut even though you have the minimum requirements so they try to point you in a different direction.

What trade did you want?

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PeterL on September 24, 2012, 22:09:51
My CFAT results qualified me for every trade and I was told my application was promising for my chosen trade (AVN Tech if you're wondering). And yes, it really did seem like they just unearthed my file when I walked in because there were errors that had to be addressed before it could proceed any further and I received an apology for the poor "customer service aspect" as they put it. I'm not just going to take whatever scraps a recruiter decides to throw my way, it's not like they are the only game in town...
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on September 24, 2012, 22:13:57
it's not like they are the only game in town...

...and you're not the only applicant out there either.

AVN is good trade, good luck.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PeterL on September 24, 2012, 22:27:12
...and you're not the only applicant out there either.

AVN is good trade, good luck.

Yah, it's a good trade and I feel I'm competitive, I do have 3 years of a university science degree and pilot training, which I was hoping would elevate me above the other NCM candidates. They did check my references a few weeks ago if that means anything.

Strangely, the recruiter tried to persuade me to go in as a MAT Tech..  ??? It wasn't even showing as an open trade.

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: SharkmanSIX on September 24, 2012, 22:28:52
In terms of the military, they sort of are the only game in town. Unless you have a green card for the Americans or your willing to spend a few thousand dollars to give the UK a try.

They made a mistake and I'm sorry for the misfortune. Hopefully you'll get the trade you want, but try to let sleeping dogs lie. Its frustrating what happened but there's nothing you can do about that now, don't let that frustration affect how you treat the rest of the process.

P.S The trades on the website that are shown as Open or Closed are very outdated.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on September 24, 2012, 22:31:38
I do have 3 years of a university science degree and pilot training, which I was hoping would elevate me above the other NCM candidates.

I'm sure it won't hurt your application. That being said, fixing airplanes is an art, not a science and fixing airplanes is a different ball of wax from flying them. Other applicants may have experiences and training that is more relevant to AVN. They may also have other things on their application that mitigates a lesser education. You just don't know.

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if that means anything.

Not really.

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Strangely, the recruiter tried to persuade me to go in as a MAT Tech..  ??? It wasn't even showing as an open trade.

MAT tech is also a good one. Several of my friends are MAT techs and have had a good go of it. If he was offering it to you, it was open for candidates. Are you getting this "it wasnt showing as open" based on the website ? if so, well.......do we need to explain the accuracy of the website again ?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Dimsum on September 24, 2012, 22:38:19
In terms of the military, they sort of are the only game in town. Unless you have a green card for the Americans or your willing to spend a few thousand dollars to give the UK a try.

Good luck with the UK.  Those guys are cutting almost 1/5 off their Army (and nearly as much with the RAF/RN).  The Australians are still hiring, but at a reduced rate and being much more selective these days. 

All this to say; the CF is in a relatively good position compared to some others.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PeterL on September 24, 2012, 22:50:23
They made a mistake and I'm sorry for the misfortune. Hopefully you'll get the trade you want, but try to let sleeping dogs lie. Its frustrating what happened but there's nothing you can do about that now, don't let that frustration affect how you treat the rest of the process.

My only frustration is with the difficulty in finding anyone to even book an interview with. As I understand, the interview itself is not yet affirmation of one's application being accepted.

BTW, how does the CF turn someone down? Do they simply stop responding to you? Is there a phone call or a discussion? How does that work?

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: MikeL on September 24, 2012, 22:53:32
If you are not found suitable for the CF they will inform you,  they won't just ignore you.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: SharkmanSIX on September 24, 2012, 23:01:07
I can't tell you how they turn someone down.
About interview spots, I was told that I was extremely lucky to get my interview spot at the end of August and that many people would have killed for it.
My guess is they are backlogged with numerous people to process. You have to remember that a little while ago a bunch of Recruiting offices were closed (like a major one in Mississauga) and all those files were sent to Toronto, an RC that I'm sure was already quite busy.


Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PeterL on September 24, 2012, 23:02:34
If you are not found suitable for the CF they will inform you,  they won't just ignore you.

That's a relief.

You did get lucky with that interview slot Sharkman, I would do terrible things for it. :nod:

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on September 24, 2012, 23:12:47
My only frustration is with the difficulty in finding anyone to even book an interview with.

You do not book your interview. If the CF wants to interview you, you will be told.

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As I understand, the interview itself is not yet affirmation of one's application being accepted

You understand correctly.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PeterL on September 24, 2012, 23:14:12
You do not book your interview. If the CF wants to interview you, you will be told.

And if I am not found suitable, they will advise me?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on September 24, 2012, 23:16:45
And if I am not found suitable, they will advise me?

You will find out. Since you have not completed everything, you have yet to be found suitable or otherwise. Why don't you quit worrying ( you sure sound like it).
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: PeterL on September 24, 2012, 23:24:52
You will find out. Since you have not completed everything, you have yet to be found suitable or otherwise. Why don't you quit worrying ( you sure sound like it).

I'll report back when I have something to report. In the meantime, I'll be taking a night school refresher in calculus and vectors, since I only had advanced functions on the transcript, couldn't hurt. Anything else short of actually working on aircraft that would boost my appeal in the eyes of the AF recruiting personnel? A welding course perhaps? I'm coming from a sales environment, I'd like to prove my ability to work with tools. If I don't make it in now, I can try in April with even better credentials.  :)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: aesop081 on September 24, 2012, 23:28:31
since I only had advanced functions on the transcript,

I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

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A welding course perhaps?

You wont be welding anything as an AVN tech.

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Hatchet Man on September 24, 2012, 23:43:22
CDN Aviator covered most of it.  But yes the centre has been extremely busy, the closure of Mississuaga, people going on leave over the summer, co-op processing.  And unless you were told to call back to book an interview, the CF is still like any other employer out there, WE CALL YOU if you are suitable. 
Title: Re: WFE course in Halifax rather than Gagetown?
Post by: TN2IC on September 25, 2012, 09:00:15
Good day,
                there are a few courses that have been ran in Halifax/Dartmouth. I believe they come from the Engineer School (Gagetown) to attend NSCC. Hope this helps. Ususally they stay at 12 Wing Shearwater for living quarters.

Regards,
Macey
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: kevincanada on September 30, 2012, 23:16:24
I was in for my cfat two weeks ago.  I did well enough I can pick any trade also.  My number one choice was combat engineer.  The recruiter told me it is late in the year now.  They don't get the new numbers they can hire until budget time.  Which is April next year.  Combat Engineer recruiting requirements was roughly 90% full for the year.  Meanwhile they can't get anyone to sign on to Army Communications & Information Systems Specialists.  It was only about 10% full.  Each time I was in the office they tried to push it on me. (I don't blame them; need to fill the numbers)

But man, a 5 year contract and spend all your time fixing computers setting up servers and figuring out software crashes and installing windows software.  ouch!  It is the complete opposite of who I am.  I been working as a Carpenter for the last decade and love the hands on outdoors stuff.

When I said I'm willing to wait until April if needed to get into a trade I would enjoy.  He didn't have a issue with that.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Hatchet Man on October 01, 2012, 00:16:41
I was in for my cfat two weeks ago.  I did well enough I can pick any trade also.  My number one choice was combat engineer.  The recruiter told me it is late in the year now.  They don't get the new numbers they can hire until budget time.  Which is April next year.  Combat Engineer recruiting requirements was roughly 90% full for the year.  Meanwhile they can't get anyone to sign on to Army Communications & Information Systems Specialists.  It was only about 10% full.  Each time I was in the office they tried to push it on me. (I don't blame them; need to fill the numbers)

But man, a 5 year contract and spend all your time fixing computers setting up servers and figuring out software crashes and installing windows software.  ouch!  It is the complete opposite of who I am.  I been working as a Carpenter for the last decade and love the hands on outdoors stuff.

When I said I'm willing to wait until April if needed to get into a trade I would enjoy.  He didn't have a issue with that.

That is only one component of ACISS.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: kevincanada on October 01, 2012, 19:37:46
ACISS is starting to look interesting.  I was going off the info the recruiter told me,  Looks like they get out in the field a lot also.  Which is something I am hopping for :)   
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: MeatheadMick on October 01, 2012, 21:39:53
It all depends where you get posted and what strand of ACISS you end up in.  Get attached with an Infantry Battalion and you will definitely have a lot of field time... get posted to Tech Services Squadron and fix computers, etc.  A largely varied trade, now that LCIS, Lineman, and Sig Op are amalgamated. Lots of rewarding experiences, a long with a lot of aggravating experiences, like any career really. Setting up a Sigs Det is still tough work, no matter what a combat arms trade may say about it :)

Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: xer0 on October 02, 2012, 11:50:56
I spent a lot of time trying to apply to reserves, I finally caved and applied for reg force sep 26th.  I'm guessing it was too late but I wish you all good luck!
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: MMSS on October 02, 2012, 13:38:06
For those wondering, I just got off the phone with CFRC Fredericton who advised that MARS DEO is currently processing applications.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Ruthie on October 13, 2012, 05:45:56
I know I'm just reiterating what was said by kevincanada, but I was in the recruiting office on Thursday (October 11th) and I was told that the 10 spots they had for the Edmonton (Or Alberta?) area have been hard to fill for ACISS. Currently out of the 10 spots, they only have 4 offers pending right now...

If you live in Edmonton, might be a good time to apply? for ACISS anyway...
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Allgunzblazing on October 13, 2012, 18:08:44
Good day folks,

I'm a regular visitor to the CFLRS website. As of yesterday they've announced the dates of numerous BMO troops for this year and next year. They've also announced the start date of the first BMOQ class for 2013 - http://www.cflrs.forces.gc.ca/menu/cfc-ecc/dc-cd/index-eng.asp

Things certainly look promising for those who've been waiting for positions to open up.

:cdn:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: xer0 on October 25, 2012, 14:16:21
Thank you Allgunsblazing I appreciate you posting that information. 
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: black-sheep77 on November 05, 2012, 18:07:12
Can anyone tell me when BOSN will reopen? I am hoping to apply asap. I tried to find out from CFRC NW but they had no info as to when it might re open.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: KingofKeys on November 05, 2012, 21:27:32
Can anyone tell me when BOSN will reopen? I am hoping to apply asap. I tried to find out from CFRC NW but they had no info as to when it might re open.

Thats because they don't know when it will re open, and neither will anyone in these forums or any other online source for that matter.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: black-sheep77 on November 06, 2012, 03:38:50
Ok thanks anyways. I just thought someone here might have an inside line.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: KingofKeys on November 06, 2012, 16:00:00
Ok thanks anyways. I just thought someone here might have an inside line.

No problem. There are a few recruiters in here and they know just as much as the recruiters you talked to. The rest of us know much less than that. But there are some JTF2 and sniper ninjas in here that know everything (sarcasm intended), but I wouldn't put my money on them  :blotto:
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: DAA on November 06, 2012, 16:14:28
Can anyone tell me when BOSN will reopen? I am hoping to apply asap. I tried to find out from CFRC NW but they had no info as to when it might re open.

My suggestion....apply NOW!!!  If you wait for a specific occupation to come open and then apply, you have alot of catching up to do.....
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: secondchance on November 09, 2012, 11:06:24
It looks like some CFRCs have started to close files with trades which were already closed (DEO LOG O).
I saw this information from  one of Facebook group member - file was closed because there are no positions this year.
It's so pity.What is procedure to re-open file in February-March ? Or I have heard CFRC starts to take applications in December -January ?
To fill again all forms or just visit CFRC  and ask re-start process again?
I am asking because one of my trade is DEO LOG O. My file also can be closed ....
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Eye In The Sky on November 10, 2012, 20:25:48
Thats because they don't know when it will re open, and neither will anyone in these forums or any other online source for that matter.

I always love when you guys who haven't even been sworn in yet lay the law down like that.

So, what if I was the Bosn Career Manager and on this site...would what I say be OTFL?
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Eye In The Sky on November 10, 2012, 20:28:16
No problem. There are a few recruiters in here and they know just as much as the recruiters you talked to. The rest of us know much less than that. But there are some JTF2 and sniper ninjas in here that know everything (sarcasm intended), but I wouldn't put my money on them  :blotto:

Maybe you don't realize it, but you are one of the types you are trying to make fun on in that post.  Irony can be so funny.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: kevincanada on November 18, 2012, 14:32:27
The recruiters called me Thursday,  booked me in for a ACISS interview on November 27th.  Sadly I believe I will be calling them back by Tuesday to request my file be put on hold until the new budget.

The jobs they have open are none of my interests.  I don't think I was too fussy, No boats and I have 7 trades I do like and would be happy in.
What was open at that time was, ACISS, Supply Tech, and Cook, plus a couple Navy and Air Force fields.
My own interests were Ammo Tech, Combat Engineer, Vehicle Tech, Both Electrical trades, and a distant second, supply tech and plumbing and heating.
I don't like computers and live off of peanut butter and jam, boiled eggs and banana's lol.

Anyone know if these trade choices that are of interest to me regularly open up again at budget time?  I'm hopping one or two of them will =)

Edit:  Artillery is open also at this time.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: KingofKeys on November 18, 2012, 15:27:49
Maybe you don't realize it, but you are one of the types you are trying to make fun on in that post.  Irony can be so funny.

Oh please give me a break. I didn't claim to know everything, I was stating that if the CFRC did not yet have the numbers, then neither will anyone in these forums. How do I know this? Because I talked to a recruiter. Stop reading between the lines.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Eye In The Sky on November 18, 2012, 18:02:47
So, if I tell you I work at D Mil C/DMCA and know the numbers, will you shut the hole under your nose??   ::)

Wait, maybe I hurt your feelings.  Do you need an E-hug or an E-cookie?

Like I said...I get laughs out of you 'folks who haven't' tryin to lead others who haven't.  Your post changes nothing.  Carry on as if you were normal....
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: KingofKeys on November 18, 2012, 21:18:49
...  :facepalm:
I don't see anyone advising him that the trade will open within a certain date. So just stop talking. End of conversation. Good night.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: DAA on November 19, 2012, 09:51:05
...  :facepalm:
I don't see anyone advising him that the trade will open within a certain date. So just stop talking. End of conversation. Good night.

Before 31 Mar 13 - Ammo (NO), Cbt Engr (NO) and Veh Tech (Slight chance)

After Mar 13 - YES for all three........
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Eye In The Sky on November 19, 2012, 10:15:29
...  :facepalm:
I don't see anyone advising him that the trade will open within a certain date. So just stop talking. End of conversation. Good night.

I hope you learn the fine art of being able to say "I was mistaken" or "I don't know everything" before you hit the Green doors...if you ever do.

Point still stands.  You are talking like you know something about the CF, when you don't.  Again, nothing you've said or can say will change that.

 ::)
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: Sizzle on November 19, 2012, 12:03:17
...  :facepalm:
I don't see anyone advising him that the trade will open within a certain date. So just stop talking. End of conversation. Good night.

The MCpls are gonna have fun ripping you to shreds and then putting you back together as a respectful human being.
Title: Re: Trades OPEN / Closed ?
Post by: kevincanada on November 25, 2012, 13:01:02
You guys mistook the question for being, a is this open and when?  It  wasn't. 

The question was, We all know there is a annual budget, and with any job there is a routine things.  If the forces are expanding, you know you need food so hiring cooks would be a routine thing.  No food = No soldiering.

But you probably don't need new intelligence recruits each year.  I was curious if there was a annual base