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Title: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: mariomike on July 02, 2009, 21:19:50
Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Katherine Laidlaw, National Post  Published: Thursday, July 02, 2009
A free buffet at Mandarin restaurants for Canadian citizens has unleashed a flurry of online commentary suggesting the offer violates human rights. The giveaway, in its third year, offers Canadian citizens a free meal in celebration of Canada Day. Commenters on the online forum redflagdeals.comcomplained the meal, offered only to those who could produce proof of citizenship, is exclusionary. "A violation of human rights is not justified just because it happens one day a year, or just because it benefits Canadians, or just because the company has good intentions," one commentor wrote. As customers lined up outside the Yonge Street and Eglinton Avenue location, staff informed them they had to produce proof of citizenship to get their free meal. Some opted to leave the line, manager Aaron Ma said. Otherwise, they had to pay for their food. "Actually some did [have to pay], and they had no problem with it," he said. "I can understand why some people are complaining. At the same time, we have a lot of happy Canadians."
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto/story.html?id=1750761
Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: Messmom on July 03, 2009, 07:39:52
>>>>>>>>> Flips through the Charter......... nope, not seeing getting a free meal in there anywhere.
Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: gcclarke on July 03, 2009, 08:18:06
It would be illegal to discriminate "based on race, national or ethnic origin", such as if the restaurant owner were to limit his free food offer to Canadian citizens who were actually born in Canada. However, being an immigrant himself, that was clearly not the intent of the restaurant's president. He wanted to celebrate his adopted home, and give food to those born here, and those who chose to make it their home, as he and much of his staff had.

And, discrimination upon the basis of current nationality is not against the charter. It is fine to insist that someone be a Canadian citizen, as long as you don't ask what other citizenships they hold.
Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: Hamish Seggie on July 03, 2009, 09:03:06
This is freakin ridiculous. Now we have human "rights" experts telling private industry what they can and can't do? Oh I forgot...we've been doing that for 30 years now.....
Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: PMedMoe on July 03, 2009, 10:16:29
Try to do something nice...... ::)
Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: Blackadder1916 on July 03, 2009, 10:51:20
I hardly think that anonymous "Commenters on the online forum redflagdeals.com" (i.e. posts made on a forum just like here except the target audience is bargain hunters) can be legitimately termed "human rights experts".  Nobody filed a complaint with any human rights commission, nobody has commenced legal action; it's just anonymous mouthing-off on the internet, much like happens here from time to time.  Other than a reporter probably desperate to fulfill her assignment to get a Canada Day human interest/oddity story and who could have reported about police being needed to control the crowd at one location of the restaurant, there's nothing here.

I didn't find the thread about this threat to our human rights (didn't want to waste even more time), but here's another one about the Mandarin on RedFlagDeals.com (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9009245#post9009245)
Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: PMedMoe on July 03, 2009, 11:14:12
First complaint I found was in this thread (http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=750389&page=10) (reply #145):

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This promotion by the Mandarin is a clear violation of section 1 of Ontario's Human Rights Code. See:

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/sta...0h19_e.htm#BK2

    Services
    1. Every person has a right to equal treatment with respect to services, goods and facilities, without discrimination because of race, ancestry, place of origin, colour, ethnic origin, citizenship, creed, sex, sexual orientation, age, marital status, family status or disability.

The permissible exceptions to discrimination on the basis of citizenship are found in section 16 (none of which apply here):

    Canadian Citizenship
    16. (1) A right under Part I to non-discrimination because of citizenship is not infringed where Canadian citizenship is a requirement, qualification or consideration imposed or authorized by law.

    (2) A right under Part I to non-discrimination because of citizenship is not infringed where Canadian citizenship or lawful admission to Canada for permanent residence is a requirement, qualification or consideration adopted for the purpose of fostering and developing participation in cultural, educational, trade union or athletic activities by Canadian citizens or persons lawfully admitted to Canada for permanent residence.

    (3) A right under Part I to non-discrimination because of citizenship is not infringed where Canadian citizenship or domicile in Canada with the intention to obtain Canadian citizenship is a requirement, qualification or consideration adopted by an organization or enterprise for the holder of chief or senior executive positions.


I am a Canadian citizen myself, but this free meal only for citizens is wrong, offensive and discriminatory. This fact can be seen easily by making an analogy with other hypothetical situations where - for example - if a restaurant charges permanent residents or non-citizens twice as much as Canadian citizens; or if a movie theatre charges $10 for citizens but $13 for non-citizens.

While the Mandarin's intentions may be good - and it is one of my favourite restaurants - the Mandarin can comply with the law by opening this free meal benefit to all persons, rather than discriminating against non-citizens. Of course, they could also comply by withdrawing the free meal completely, but that would not be a wise public relations move. In the end, the free meals for everyone will cost them about the same amount of money, since they can only serve so many free meals during July 1.

Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: 40below on July 03, 2009, 11:31:16
While I like the Red Flag Deals site, the folks on there are coupon cutters, not Constitutional lawyers. This is one sorry-a$$ peg to hang a news story on.
Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: Occam on July 03, 2009, 11:40:37
I didn't think there was much to it either, but looking at the Ontario HRC, it looks like there might be some merit to the argument.

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Every person has a right to equal treatment with respect to services, goods and facilities, without discrimination because of race, ancestry, place of origin, colour, ethnic origin, citizenship, creed, sex, sexual orientation, age, marital status, family status or disability.

There isn't a lot of flashy legalese in that statement.  Anyone else agree?
Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: Chapeski on July 03, 2009, 11:41:39
What's going to happen is this person is going to be responsible for Mandarin no longer offering this deal in the future, thus everyone must pay on Canada Day.

I see this like offering discounts to certain groups, for example getting a military discount. The only difference in this case is that the discount is 100% off to those who qualify. I don't see the problem with it.
Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: Fishbone Jones on July 03, 2009, 11:53:33
Typical self centred Torontards from Moronto ::)
Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: Target Up on July 03, 2009, 12:26:52
No good deed goes unpunished, it seems.  Lesson learned, do nothing for anyone, ever.
Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: C.G.R on July 03, 2009, 12:44:50
It still amazes me how people can find a way to make any good deed seem like a wrong doing.
Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: Technoviking on July 03, 2009, 20:47:51
I have a solution.  No more free buffets.

That is all.


Next topic?

EDIT: Though the quote does seem to be clear that such an offer would discriminate against non-Canadians, then I suppose so too does the Elections Act or Charter or whatever it is, since only Canadians Citizens can vote in Canadian Elections.....
Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: cook647 on July 03, 2009, 21:53:20
I actually think that the argument could be made that the Mandarin president is well within his rights to offer this, or at least a half decent lawyer would be able to argue it anyways.

2) A right under Part I to non-discrimination because of citizenship is not infringed where Canadian citizenship or lawful admission to Canada for permanent residence is a requirement, qualification or consideration adopted for the purpose of fostering and developing participation in cultural, educational, trade union or athletic activities by Canadian citizens or persons lawfully admitted to Canada for permanent residence.

Seeing as how Canada Day is part of our Canadian culture, and the president is aiming to promote and/or foster increased involvement in this cultural activity, I think he's probably in the clear.
Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: Occam on July 03, 2009, 22:21:56
Seeing as how Canada Day is part of our Canadian culture, and the president is aiming to promote and/or foster increased involvement in this cultural activity, I think he's probably in the clear.

I'll be the first one to admit that I personally see nothing wrong with what the Mandarin has done - hell, I wish they had a Mandarin in Ottawa that I could go to year-round.  They'd have to pry me away from the snow crab cart....lol

That said, I think it'd be a task and a half to argue that stuffing your gob with free Chinese food is promoting a cultural activity, even if it is linked to Canada Day.....   ;D
Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human right
Post by: VIChris on July 04, 2009, 16:05:59
Well clearly, by RFD standards at least, the CF is violating the charter of rights by requiring applicants to be Canadian citizens. Let's see that one in court....
Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: old medic on July 04, 2009, 16:42:40
All this does is show the exceptionally low standards and quality of the National Post.

Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: mariomike on June 29, 2019, 18:08:08
Politics aside, if planning to go to Mandarin this Canada Day, be prepared for long line-ups.  :)
https://www.blogto.com/eat_drink/2014/07/this_is_what_a_huge_lineup_for_free_mandarin_looks_like/

Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: tomahawk6 on June 29, 2019, 18:36:44
The owner should be able to give away food to any class of person they choose.They would probably have been smart just to discount a meal.That way the only people that might be put out would be the homeless.
Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: mariomike on June 29, 2019, 18:40:42
The owner should be able to give away food to any class of person they choose.

Maybe all the media, and social media, "buzz" over what is fair, or not fair, isn't bad for business?

It's free advertising.
Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: tomahawk6 on June 29, 2019, 18:48:00
I love most Chinese food and a good buffet. ;D
Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: mariomike on June 29, 2019, 18:54:08
So do I. But, have you seen the Canada Day lineups? Any other day I enjoy going there. It's insane.  :)
Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: kratz on June 29, 2019, 18:56:26
This business has offered this recognition for Canada Day for over 10 years.
We enjoyed a meal on this offer a few years ago.

The "Internet Outrage" is manufactured advertising IMO.
Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: Fishbone Jones on June 29, 2019, 21:09:24


EDIT: Though the quote does seem to be clear that such an offer would discriminate against non-Canadians, then I suppose so too does the Elections Act or Charter or whatever it is, since only Canadians Citizens can vote in Canadian Elections....

How times have changed. :rofl:
If a week is a long time in politics. A decade can be unfathomable. 8)
Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: kratz on June 29, 2019, 21:30:08
Sadly,

The only way people seem to be heard these days are through identity politics and the internet.
Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: BeyondTheNow on June 29, 2019, 21:36:33
At first I didn’t realize the thread had a decade jump in it...it hasn’t changed. I do find it a bit humorous , though, picturing people standing in line with their passports, B/Certs etc. just to eat.

Regardless of the owner’s intentions, some people who are looking to become citizens can be in the process for quite some time—many years in some instances.

So someone’s here, working, paying taxes, being a contribution to society, perhaps furthering their education simultaneously while raising a family, but they can’t take part in the promotion because of red tape. Who cares, just open it to everyone. Mandarin can stand to take a hit one day out of the year to show appreciation for...whatever. Their pricing (while the food IS tasty and the selection very good) is decently expensive for the average person working an hourly wage, especially on weekends and/or holidays.

I don’t think it should be considered (by whomever on the internet) as a human rights violation, or arguing it as such. I just think it’s poor execution of what could be a very kind gesture otherwise.
Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: mariomike on June 29, 2019, 21:49:11
Politics aside, if that's how anyone plans to spend their Canada Day, might be an idea to bring a folding chair and a deck of cards.  :)

"The staff had informed me the first person in line arrived at 1 AM the previous night."

I think they close for a couple of hours between lunch and dinner. So, add that to the standing in line time.

Those who handled the Raptors parade can probably handle this.

Expect lots of plate flipping once inside.

Feeding frenzy begins at noon.
Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: X Royal on July 01, 2019, 21:01:54
Sadly,

The only way people seem to be heard these days are through identity politics and the internet.

Well that's one retro post.
Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: mariomike on July 01, 2019, 21:25:16
Well that's one retro post.

This special event is only held every five or ten years.

So, rather than start a new discussion of the same subject, we have this Sticky,

Necroposting - Not always a bad idea 
https://navy.ca/forums/index.php/topic,87278.0.html


Politics aside, looks like they had a pretty good turnout today,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M8Ry0K_mJI

Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: Not a Sig Op on July 02, 2019, 07:53:34
"The staff had informed me the first person in line arrived at 1 AM the previous night."

How little do these people value their time???

A normal meal costs max $30 after taxes, less for lunch.
Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: Bruce Monkhouse on July 02, 2019, 10:53:06
How little do these people value their time???

A normal meal costs max $30 after taxes, less for lunch.
Try seeing the Costco sample line ups....
Title: Re: Free Mandarin buffet for Canadian citizens called a violation of human rights
Post by: Not a Sig Op on July 02, 2019, 15:26:13
Try seeing the Costco sample line ups....

My wife has adopted my habit of referring to shopping at costco as "making an assault".

Speed and aggression.