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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #300 on: May 08, 2012, 00:11:30 »
This is especially for tomahawk6

http://sbynews.blogspot.ca/2012/05/how-gutsiest-president-ever-single.html

Monday, May 07, 2012

How The Gutsiest President Ever Single-Handedly Killed OBL

Part 1 of 2

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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #301 on: May 08, 2012, 00:12:48 »
How The Gutsiest President Ever Single-Handedly Killed OBL

Part 2 of 2
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #302 on: May 08, 2012, 08:22:28 »
Funny stuff Rifleman. ;D

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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #303 on: May 08, 2012, 09:13:48 »
That's nothing! Stephen Harper could have taken him out with a straw and a spitball!!!


Too funny Rifleman!
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #304 on: May 08, 2012, 15:44:46 »
Jeez, I could have done that from here...of course, I'd have hit him entirely by accident the way I golf.

But hey, a win's a win  ;D.

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« Reply #305 on: May 09, 2012, 17:35:21 »
An update.  Shared under the provisions of Sec. 29 of the copyright act.

Underpants 'bomber' was a DOUBLE AGENT who delivered device to CIA... and then pinpointed location of mastermind for fatal drone attack
By Rob Cooper

PUBLISHED: 22:59 GMT, 8 May 2012

An Al Qaeda bomber sent to blow up a U.S.-bound airliner was actually a double agent who infiltrated the group and volunteered for the suicide mission, it has been revealed.  Saudi Arabia's intelligence agency placed the undercover operator inside Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) where he convinced his handlers to give him the new type of non-metallic bomb.  The agent, who was in Yemen, was liaising with the CIA before handing the device over to intelligence services...

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2141573/Underwear-bomber-CIA-double-agent-located-al-Qaeda-mastermind-Yemen-drone-attack.html#ixzz1uPWVwNzs

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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #306 on: May 09, 2012, 21:36:43 »
So today I found out that OBL was really killed by American children kidnapped by the government with psychic powers, and that really big star in the sky isn't really Venus but an alien mothership.  Oh, and oil prices are controlled by a secret organization of albino africans.

Oh the interesting people who come to my work.

Obama in the compound witha golf club.  Sounds like a game of Clue.
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #307 on: July 30, 2012, 17:13:20 »
Another book coming out. I wonder how the various sides will spin this story? (Frankly, by now so many people have already spun the story that finding the truth will take many years of careful forensic searching through libraries, reports and witness statements of the people actually there). One interesting question this raises is what possible motive would Jarrett have to urge the President to go either way?:

http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/29/obama-canceled-bin-laden-kill-raid-three-times-valerie-jarrett/

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Book bombshell: Obama canceled Bin Laden ‘kill’ raid three times at Jarrett’s urging
Published: 9:10 PM 07/29/2012
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President Barack Obama walks with senior adviser Valerie Jarrett in the Hyde Park neighborhood of Chicago, Illinois on June 2, 2012. (YURI GRIPAS/AFP/GettyImages)

At the urging of Valerie Jarrett, President Barack Obama canceled the operation to kill Osama bin Laden on three separate occasions before finally approving the May 2, 2011 Navy SEAL mission, according to an explosive new book scheduled for release August 21. The Daily Caller has seen a portion of the chapter in which the stunning revelation appears.

In ”Leading From Behind: The Reluctant President and the Advisors Who Decide for Him,“ Richard Miniter writes that Obama canceled the “kill” mission in January 2011, again in February, and a third time in March. Obama’s close adviser Valerie Jarrett persuaded him to hold off each time, according to the book.

Miniter, a two-time New York Times best-selling author, cites an unnamed source with Joint Special Operations Command who had direct knowledge of the operation and its planning.

Obama administration officials also said after the raid that the president had delayed giving the order to kill the arch-terrorist the day before the operation was carried out, in what turned out to be his fourth moment of indecision. At the time, the White House blamed the delay on unfavorable weather conditions near bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.

But when Miniter obtained that day’s weather reports from the U.S. Air Force Combat Meteorological Center, he said, they showed ideal conditions for the SEALs to carry out their orders.

“President Obama’s greatest success was actually his greatest failure,” Miniter told The Daily Caller Friday. ”Leading From Behind,“ he said, traces the arc of six key Obama administration decisions, and shows how the president made them — and, often, failed to make them.

Another chapter, he told TheDC, concerns the push to pass the Affordable Care Act. The president, Miniter said, was less interested than then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in passing his own signature legislative achievement.

Osama bin Laden steered the global operations of the al-Qaida terror network until his death last year at the hands of the U.S. Navy’s SEAL Team Six. The president and his surrogates have made the terrorist leader’s death a focal point in Obama’s re-election campaign, painting Obama as a decisive leader who took down America’s greatest mortal enemy.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/29/obama-canceled-bin-laden-kill-raid-three-times-valerie-jarrett/#ixzz228rovQT6
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #308 on: July 30, 2012, 19:33:27 »
I'm going to have to adopt a wait and see attitude to this.

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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #309 on: July 31, 2012, 07:41:39 »
1. He's still dead.
2. The quest to kill him did not start in Jan 2009.
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #310 on: August 01, 2012, 00:46:29 »
1. He's still dead.
2. The quest to kill him did not start in Jan 2009.

I'm with Brad. The decision was made and the guys at the pointy end got the job done.

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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #311 on: August 21, 2012, 08:22:13 »
A response to "Group says Obama revealed secret information to Hollywood filmmakers."


"Days after the (Osama bin Laden) raid, Hollywood was invited into the White House so that they could receive a briefing" that revealed intelligence sources and methods.
 
Group says Obama revealed secret information to Hollywood filmmakers

A video that describes the importance of secrecy in national security missions and the dangers of leaks.

 A new group of former special forces soldiers and CIA officers has produced a video that accuses Barack Obama of revealing sensitive intelligence information for cheap political gain. Calling itself Special Operations OPSEC (short for Operations Security), the group’s 20-minute video spends a great deal of time on the administration’s actions after the raid that killed Osama bin Laden. The group says it favors no candidate, but the frequent images of Obama (each time they say the word 'politician') leave no doubt that he is the target.

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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #312 on: February 11, 2013, 12:09:50 »
(Apologies, as there are a few locations I felt this article may be relevant to. Please move accordingly if you feel it best elsewhere.)

http://www.esquire.com/features/man-who-shot-osama-bin-laden-0313

The Man Who Killed Osama bin Laden... Is Screwed

For the first time, the Navy SEAL who killed Osama bin Laden tells his story — speaking not just about the raid and the three shots that changed history, but about the personal aftermath for himself and his family. And the startling failure of the United States government to help its most experienced and skilled warriors carry on with their lives.


Published in the March 2013 issue

Phil Bronstein is the former editor of the San Francisco Chronicle and currently serves as executive chairman of the Center for Investigative Reporting. This piece was reported in cooperation with CIR.




The man who shot and killed Osama bin Laden sat in a wicker chair in my backyard, wondering how he was going to feed his wife and kids or pay for their medical care.

It was a mild spring day, April 2012, and our small group, including a few of his friends and family, was shielded from the sun by the patchwork shadows of maple trees. But the Shooter was sweating as he talked about his uncertain future, his plans to leave the Navy and SEAL Team 6.

He stood up several times with an apologetic gripe about the heat, leaving a perspiration stain on the seat-back cushion. He paced. I didn't know him well enough then to tell whether a glass of his favorite single malt, Lagavulin, was making him less or more edgy.

We would end up intimately familiar with each other's lives. We'd have dinners, lots of Scotch. He's played with my kids and my dogs and been a hilarious, engaging gentleman around my wife.

In my yard, the Shooter told his story about joining the Navy at nineteen, after a girl broke his heart. To escape, he almost by accident found himself in a Navy recruiter's office. "He asked me what I was going to do with my life. I told him I wanted to be a sniper.

"He said, 'Hey, we have snipers.'

"I said, 'Seriously, dude. You do not have snipers in the Navy.' But he brought me into his office and it was a pretty sweet deal. I signed up on a whim."

"That's the reason Al Qaeda has been decimated," he joked, "because she broke my ******* heart."

I would come to know about the Shooter's hundreds of combat missions, his twelve long-term SEAL-team deployments, his thirty-plus kills of enemy combatants, often eyeball to eyeball. And we would talk for hours about the mission to get bin Laden and about how, over the celebrated corpse in front of them on a tarp in a hangar in Jalalabad, he had given the magazine from his rifle with all but three lethally spent bullets left in it to the female CIA analyst whose dogged intel work and intuition led the fighters into that night.

When I was first around him, as he talked I would always try to imagine the Shooter geared up and a foot away from bin Laden, whose life ended in the next moment with three shots to the center of his forehead. But my mind insisted on rendering the picture like a bad Photoshop job — Mao's head superimposed on the Yangtze, or tourists taking photos with cardboard presidents outside the White House.

Bin Laden was, after all, the man CIA director Leon Panetta called "the most infamous terrorist in our time," who devoured inordinate amounts of our collective cultural imagery for more than a decade. The number-one celebrity of evil. And the man in my backyard blew his lights out.

ST6 in particular is an enterprise requiring extraordinary teamwork, combined with more kinds of support in the field than any other unit in the history of the U.S. military.

Similarly, NASA marshaled thousands of people to put a man on the moon, and history records that Neil Armstrong first set his foot there, not the equally talented Buzz Aldrin.

Enough people connected to the SEALs and the bin Laden mission have confirmed for me that the Shooter was the "number two" behind the raid's point man going up the stairs to bin Laden's third-floor residence, and that he is the one who rolled through the bedroom door solo and confronted the surprisingly tall terrorist pushing his youngest wife, Amal, in front of him through the pitch-black room. The Shooter had to raise his gun higher than he expected.

The point man is the only one besides the Shooter who could verify the kill shots firsthand, and he did just that to another SEAL I spoke with. But even the point man was not in the room then, having tackled two women into the hallway, a crucial and heroic decision given that everyone living in the house was presumed to be wearing a suicide vest.

But a series of confidential conversations, detailed descriptions of mission debriefs, and other evidence make it clear: The Shooter's is the most definitive account of those crucial few seconds, and his account, corroborated by multiple sources, establishes him as the last man to see Osama bin Laden alive. Not in dispute is the fact that others have claimed that they shot bin Laden when he was already dead, and a number of team members apparently did just that.

What is much harder to understand is that a man with hundreds of successful war missions, one of the most decorated combat veterans of our age, who capped his career by terminating bin Laden, has no landing pad in civilian life.

Back in April, he and some of his SEAL Team 6 colleagues had formed the skeleton of a company to help them transition out of the service. In my yard, he showed everyone his business-card mock-ups. There was only a subtle inside joke reference to their team in the company name.

Unlike former SEAL Team 6 member Matt Bissonnette (No Easy Day), they do not rush to write books or step forward publicly, because that violates the code of the "quiet professional." Someone suggested they might sell customized sunglasses and other accessories special operators often invent and use in the field. It strains credulity that for a commando team leader who never got a single one of his men hurt on a mission, sunglasses would be his best option. And it's a simple truth that those who have been most exposed to harrowing danger for the longest time during our recent unending wars now find themselves adrift in civilian life, trying desperately to adjust, often scrambling just to make ends meet.

At the time, the Shooter's uncle had reached out to an executive at Electronic Arts, hoping that the company might need help with video-game scenarios once the Shooter retired. But the uncle cannot mention his nephew's distinguishing feature as the one who put down bin Laden.

Secrecy is a thick blanket over our Special Forces that inelegantly covers them, technically forever. The twenty-three SEALs who flew into Pakistan that night were directed by their command the day they got back stateside about acting and speaking as though it had never happened.

"Right now we are pretty stacked with consultants," the video-game man responded. "Thirty active and recently retired guys" for one game: Medal of Honor Warfighter. In fact, seven active-duty Team 6 SEALs would later be punished for advising EA while still in the Navy and supposedly revealing classified information. (One retired SEAL, a participant in the bin Laden raid, was also involved.)

With the focus and precision he's learned, the Shooter waits and watches for the right way to exit, and adapt. Despite his foggy future, his past is deeply impressive. This is a man who is very pleased about his record of service to his country and has earned the respect of his peers.

"He's taken monumental risks," says the Shooter's dad, struggling to contain the frustration that roughs the edges of his deep pride in his son. "But he's unable to reap any reward."

It's not that there isn't one. The U.S. government put a $25 million bounty on bin Laden that no one is likely to collect. Certainly not the SEALs who went on the mission nor the support and intelligence experts who helped make it all possible. Technology is the key to success in this case more than people, Washington officials have said.

The Shooter doesn't care about that. "I'm not religious, but I always felt I was put on the earth to do something specific. After that mission, I knew what it was."

Others also knew, from the commander-in-chief on down. The bin Laden shooting was a staple of presidential-campaign brags. One big-budget movie, several books, and a whole drawerful of documentaries and TV films have fortified the brave images of the Shooter and his ST6 Red Squadron members.

There is commerce attached to the mission, and people are capitalizing. Just not the triggerman. While others collect, he is cautious and careful not to dishonor anyone. His manners come at his own expense.

"No one who fights for this country overseas should ever have to fight for a job," Barack Obama said last Veterans' Day, "or a roof over their head, or the care that they have earned when they come home."

But the Shooter will discover soon enough that when he leaves after sixteen years in the Navy, his body filled with scar tissue, arthritis, tendonitis, eye damage, and blown disks, here is what he gets from his employer and a grateful nation:

Nothing. No pension, no health care, and no protection for himself or his family.

Since Abbottabad, he has trained his children to hide in their bathtub at the first sign of a problem as the safest, most fortified place in their house. His wife is familiar enough with the shotgun on their armoire to use it. She knows to sit on the bed, the weapon's butt braced against the wall, and precisely what angle to shoot out through the bedroom door, if necessary. A knife is also on the dresser should she need a backup.

Then there is the "bolt" bag of clothes, food, and other provisions for the family meant to last them two weeks in hiding.

"Personally," his wife told me recently, "I feel more threatened by a potential retaliatory terror attack on our community than I did eight years ago," when her husband joined ST6.

When the White House identified SEAL Team 6 as those responsible, camera crews swarmed into their Virginia Beach neighborhood, taking shots of the SEALs' homes.

After bin Laden's face appeared on their TV in the days after the killing, the Shooter cautioned his older child not to mention the Al Qaeda leader's name ever again "to anybody. It's a bad name, a curse name." His kid started referring to him instead as "Poopyface." It's a story he told affectionately on that April afternoon visit to my home.

He loves his kids and tears up only when he talks about saying goodbye to them before each and every deployment. "It's so much easier when they're asleep," he says, "and I can just kiss them, wondering if this is the last time." He's thrilled to show video of his oldest in kick-boxing class. And he calls his wife "the perfect mother."

In fact, the couple is officially separated, a common occurrence in ST6. SEAL marriages can be perilous. Husbands and fathers have been mostly away from their families since 9/11. But the Shooter and his wife continue to share a house on very friendly, even loving terms, largely to save money.

"We're actually looking into changing my name," the wife says. "Changing the kids' names, taking my husband's name off the house, paying off our cars. Essentially deleting him from our lives, but for safety reasons. We still love each other."

When the family asked about any kind of government protection should the Shooter's name come out, they were advised that they could go into a witness-protection-like program.

Just as soon as the Department of Defense creates one.

"They [SEAL command] told me they could get me a job driving a beer truck in Milwaukee" under an assumed identity. Like Mafia snitches, they would not be able to contact their families or friends. "We'd lose everything."

"These guys have millions of dollars' worth of knowledge and training in their heads," says one of the group at my house, a former SEAL and mentor to the Shooter and others looking to make the transition out of what's officially called the Naval Special Warfare Development Group. "All sorts of executive function skills. That shouldn't go to waste."

The mentor himself took a familiar route — through Blackwater, then to the CIA, in both organizations as a paramilitary operator in Afghanistan.

Private security still seems like the smoothest job path, though many of these guys, including the Shooter, do not want to carry a gun ever again for professional use. The deaths of two contractors in Benghazi, both former SEALs the mentor knew, remind him that the battlefield risks do not go away.

By the time the Shooter visited me that first time in April, I had come to know more of the human face of what's called Tier One Special Operations, in addition to the extraordinary skill and icy resolve. It is a privileged, consuming, and concerning look inside one of the most insular clubs on earth.

And I understood that he would face a world very different from the supportive one President Obama described at Arlington National Cemetery a few months before.

As I watched the Shooter navigate obstacles very different from the ones he faced so expertly in four war zones around the globe, I wondered: Is this how America treats its heroes? The ones President Obama called "the best of the best"? The ones Vice-President Biden called "the finest warriors in the history of the world"?

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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #313 on: February 11, 2013, 12:42:11 »
This guy should consider getting out of the US.
Maybe even come to Canada after changing his name.
Bring the wife and kids too but
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #314 on: February 11, 2013, 14:59:39 »
Reading what Beyond The Now posted above is really sad to me.  These guys take enormous risks for their nation and said nation doesn't seem to care about what they're going through . . . just like a lot of 9/11 responders were left in the lurch after the cleanup was done.  :facepalm:
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #315 on: February 11, 2013, 15:32:33 »
I am almost certain that the armed forces has education programs available for retraining upon leaving the military.
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I do understand what the article is trying to impart and I get it- but I think thats its odd to think that somebody spends most of their time and learnin' on running a gun and the skills around,wants to leave that life and not be employed in the area that all (a bit of an exageration) their skills and knowledge is in. Obviously there are transferable skills- but what job is it exactly that should be given to him?
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #316 on: February 20, 2013, 19:50:04 »
An update with some deep consequences:

Report: DOD probes Osama bin Laden shooter

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/report-dod-probes-osama-shooter-87837.html?hp=r15

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The military is investigating if the ex-Navy SEAL who shot Osama bin Laden leaked classified information when he talked to Esquire magazine for a profile, according to a report.

“We are taking a look at this article to see if any classified information got spilled out,” Pentagon spokesman Army Lt. Col. Steve Warren said, according to Bloomberg News.

The article, entitled “The Shooter: The Man Who Killed Osama bin Laden is … Screwed,” contained details of the raid and of the former Navy SEAL’s struggles with the Department of Veterans Affairs since leaving the armed services.

The Center for Investigative Reporting had no comment on the Pentagon’s review, Bloomberg said.

This isn’t the first time a SEAL has been investigated for leaking information about the bin Laden raid. Former Navy SEAL Matt Bissonette wrote a best-seller, “No Easy Day,” about his life in the Navy and the raid that killed bin Laden.

The Pentagon said in September the book contained classified information, but no legal action has been taken, beyond exchanging letters with Bissonette’s lawyers.
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #317 on: July 09, 2013, 14:36:22 »
 :Tin-Foil-Hat:

The CBC reports that OBL wandered around wearing a cowboy hat to avoid detection in Pakistan.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/07/09/osama-bin-laden-life-on-the-run-pakistan-report.html

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Therefore, people wearing cowboy hats are international terrorist masterminds.

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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #318 on: May 11, 2015, 15:42:00 »
And now, Seymour Hersh says it was (partially) a fake, in an article published in the London Review of Books.

The White House says Hersh is mistaken, to be charitable, and many American journalists have problems with his story, too.

The crux of Hersh's story is that, Yes, the Navy SEALs did raid the compound and kill Bin L:aden, but, he says:

     1. Obama lied about how the US found him; Obama said they followed a courier, Hersh says they got a tip from a Pakistani intelligence officer ... and paid millions for it; and

     2. There was a pre-planned cover story from the Pentagon which would have said Obama Bin Laden was found, dead, in the mountains and his death was verified by DNA. The aim of this "cover story" was to keep Pakistan out of it all,
         but Obama decided, at the last moment, that he needed the new, false, story immediately for his re-election campaign and he was worried that Defence Secretary Gates (a Republican) might leak the truth at an inopportune time.


Edit: to get the names right!  :-[  Thanks Milnews:salute:
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #319 on: May 11, 2015, 16:52:59 »
.... 2. There was a pre-planned cover story from the Pentagon which would have said Obama was found, dead, in the mountains and his death was verified by DNA ....
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
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.... 2. There was a pre-planned cover story from the Pentagon which would have said Obama was found, dead, in the mountains and his death was verified by DNA ....

The lengths the critics of the president will go to to prove he really IS Muslim ;)

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White House rebuts Hersh's claim about 2011 Bin Laden raid
« Reply #321 on: May 12, 2015, 08:39:13 »
One journalist's report alleging the raid that killed Bin Laden went differently from official accounts is drawing denials from the US government.

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White House Rebuts Journalist's Claim on OBL Raid

WASHINGTON — The White House on Monday flatly rejected claims that Pakistan was told in advance about a 2011 special operations raid that killed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.

Veteran US journalist Seymour Hersh claimed in a British publication that Pakistan's security services not only knew about the raid, but had been holding bin Laden prisoner since 2006.

That account was rejected by the White House.


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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #322 on: May 12, 2015, 20:26:16 »
Let the conspiracy freaks geek out, as long as OBL is still dead.
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #323 on: May 12, 2015, 21:03:09 »
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Let the conspiracy freaks geek out, as long as OBL is still dead.

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Re: Osama Bin Laden Dead
« Reply #324 on: May 12, 2015, 22:10:50 »
What the F does it matter? He's dead.

How that was achieved stopped being relevant when the original news cycle died, and Obama was re-elected.
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