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Loyal opposition and their purple clouds....
« on: August 30, 2011, 08:00:31 »
Just goes to show you how out of touch with reality they are......

Copyright and fair dealings yada yada....

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2011/08/29/18614901.html

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NDP MP urges old age benefits for new immigrants

OTTAWA - Possible federal NDP leadership hopeful Libby Davies has revived a highly controversial effort to eliminate the 10-year residency requirement to qualify for old age pension benefits.

The Vancouver MP has introduced a motion calling on the government to open the federal pension to recent immigrants who've made few, if any, contributions into Canada's state pension system.

That could also grant new arrivals access to the guaranteed income supplement.

Davies' effort comes through one of dozens of motions she tabled in the House of Commons back in June.

Former Liberal MP Ruby Dhalla once tabled a bill to reduce the old-age pension residency requirement to three years, but it failed to get support.

"I have received more angry mail in opposition to [Dhalla's] bill than on any other bill that has come before the House during my career," said Conservative MP Pierre Poilievere in an e-mail.
   

While Dhalla's bill was before the Commons, the Canadian Association of Retired Persons accused her of "poking into a hornet's nest" and called on her to back off.

Even Dhalla's Liberal colleagues left her out on a limb with seniors' critic Judy Sgro issuing a news release saying her party wouldn't support the move that would've cost an estimated $300 million to $700 million annually.

It's not clear when Davies' motion will come up for a vote in the Commons.

Among Davies' other motions are calls to guarantee a "right to welfare" and force the Canadian International Development Agency to serve only "fair trade coffee" at functions and its headquarters.

So they want someone to be able to get off the banana boat in Toronto and collect CP with only 3 years contribution (if any at all).

I still can't believe they got so many votes. Hopefully the honeymoon will be over for the next election and we can get back to a normal Parliament instead of the gong show that's going to kick off in a few weeks.

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Re: Loyal opposition and their purple clouds....
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2011, 08:16:59 »
And thus this is how society fails.

If the London Riots have taught us anything, its that a Welfare State in which everyone gets something for free and doesn't have to contribute will breed a society of entitlement without effort.

I am all for supporting help for new-comers however I believe better addressing the job placement/qualification issues first to help get these people paying CPP will do a lot more to help new coming seniors, rather than handing out a cheque from a dwindling pot.

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Re: Loyal opposition and their purple clouds....
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2011, 08:34:51 »
I agree and think (hope) that most Canadians would agree as well.  It would seem from early indications anyway that the NDP has taken the recent election results as a sign of growing support for socialist solutions rather than as a sign of discontent with the other parties.  While there may be some underlying truth to this in Quebec, I don't believe it holds any water in the rest of Canada.  If this is the direction Mr. Layton's successors are going to take the party I believe the honeymoon will be short indeed.

This could show the Liberal's decision to delay their leadership convention until 2013 to be a good decision.  Let the NDP make their stand on the left of the spectrum.  Already it seems there may be some Liberal hopefulls trying to compete with the NDP on that ground, trying to ride that apparent orange tide.  A 2013 convention will give time to flush out those members and let them sink along with the NDP as the ideas of the "official opposition" (and those trying to copy them) wither in the light of public scrutiny.

I think a smart candidate on the right of the Liberal party may bide his/her time and quietly build support over the next year or so and then come forward as a "fresh" and "renewed" leader that's breaking away from the stale old Liberal (recent) past and returning the party to more traditional roots.

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Re: Loyal opposition and their purple clouds....
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2011, 08:42:11 »
So they want someone to be able to get off the banana boat in Toronto and collect CP with only 3 years contribution (if any at all).
The three-year wait was tabled by Ruby Dhalla (former Liberal - Brampton—Springdale); in an effort to out-dingbat her, Libby Davies (NDP - Vancouver East) wants to eliminate any wait in order to start handing immigrants dole cheques at the airport.   


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Re: Loyal opposition and their purple clouds....
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2011, 09:16:52 »
The three-year wait was tabled by Ruby Dhalla (former Liberal - Brampton—Springdale); in an effort to out-dingbat her, Libby Davies (NDP - Vancouver East) wants to eliminate any wait in order to start handing immigrants dole cheques at the airport.

Yep, that confirms it for me. Everyone was drunk when they voted NDP.

In all seriousness, I believe the NDP got the votes only due to everyone being tired of the Liberals and the Bloc in Quebec and couldn't bring themselves to vote PC.
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Re: Loyal opposition and their purple clouds....
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2011, 09:49:12 »
Let's not forget the costs downloaded to the provinces. A move such as this will create a surge in family unification immigration where people bring their aged parents over. These folks will then have to have their myriad age related illnesses looked after. As they don't work, and don't pay any meaningful amount of tax, the working population will have to pay for their healthcare.
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Re: Loyal opposition and their purple clouds....
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2011, 10:48:23 »
Let's not forget the costs downloaded to the provinces. A move such as this will create a surge in family unification immigration where people bring their aged parents over. These folks will then have to have their myriad age related illnesses looked after. As they don't work, and don't pay any meaningful amount of tax, the working population will have to pay for their healthcare.

Pretty much. I'm all for allowing working-age people to immigrate, and creating processes to better recognize foreign credentials so they can work in their fields faster, but this idea of family unification programs irks me. If you want to bring your elderly parents over, fine. But on your dime - they don't deserve access to our pension systems, or even our healthcare without having contributed to the system first.
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Re: Loyal opposition and their purple clouds....
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2011, 11:20:24 »
Did we really need another reason not to vote for these clowns?
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