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Re: Leo 2 distribution
« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2011, 22:13:38 »
"Inevitably" is a strong word. Who has talked about 2 x 5? I would certainly argue against going to three tanks in a troop instead of four.

In any case, the suggestion being discussed here is not to cut tanks. It is to have four squadrons in the RCAC instead of three squadrons with the same number of tanks (we would need to come up with two or three SHQ tanks though, plus an additional echelon).

I don't think it is, because all things change, but it's also just an opinion.

No one was talking about it. Read it again. 'it's only a matter of time before someone tries to lead change by making it something like 2 x 5 tank troops.

Quite simply, just a permutation for example sake.

Beside which, I think you missed my point completely.

Let me rephrase.

'Be careful for what you wish for, you just might get it.'

Like I also said. I have no dog in this race and really am not concerned how things end up. Just making a simple observation based on my over 35 years, with over 30 of that in the Corp, saying that once the clock gets turned up, it's hard to turn it back if it's a mistake.

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Re: Leo 2 distribution
« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2011, 22:40:16 »
Well, someone could propose an Armoured Corps of wheel DFS vehicles, but getting in the weeds of doomsday scenarios isn't what the thread is about.  We are talking about two viable ways for distributing the tanks we know we're going to get and the relative merits of both options.
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Re: Leo 2 distribution
« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2011, 22:47:14 »
I don't think it is, because all things change, but it's also just an opinion.

No one was talking about it. Read it again. 'it's only a matter of time before someone tries to lead change by making it something like 2 x 5 tank troops.

Quite simply, just a permutation for example sake.

Beside which, I think you missed my point completely.

Let me rephrase.

'Be careful for what you wish for, you just might get it.'

Like I also said. I have no dog in this race and really am not concerned how things end up. Just making a simple observation based on my over 35 years, with over 30 of that in the Corp, saying that once the clock gets turned up, it's hard to turn it back if it's a mistake.

I raised the number of 2x5 precisely because you seemingly introduced that argument as a reason to avoid debate on squadron size.

People can suggest things, and we should debate suggestions on the merits of those suggestions.

There has been some flucuation in recent years with sqn size. What is more, tanks were going out of the inventory - now they are back. All that to say that things can change in a variety of ways. I don't look for change for changes' sake, but I don't think that we should freeze ourselves in time to avoid some inevitable slide to doom.
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Re: Leo 2 distribution
« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2011, 22:50:57 »
I raised the number of 2x5 precisely because you seemingly introduced that argument as a reason to avoid debate on squadron size.

People can suggest things, and we should debate suggestions on the merits of those suggestions.

You misunderstood the intent. I apologise for being, seemingly, obtuse.
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Re: Leo 2 distribution
« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2011, 05:57:09 »
For what its worth, I favour the four-troop squadron. How's that for obtuse! I just recognize the advantages for the tank force as a whole with a three-troop organization if it lets us form another operational squadron. It would permit more balance across the Corps, give greater depth for Afghan-style force generation and enable forming BGs with two or three tank squadrons will still keeping something back for the next show. It could also curtail the pernicious habit of habitually forming half-squadrons.

Recognizing the advantages of a course of action, though, does not mean that I favour it. There would indeed be disadvantages in the form of more "overhead" in terms of SHQ/Admin Tp. Tactically each squadron would indeed face disadvantages as well. I can see the point that going to a three Troop squadron could be interpreted as a step-back that could lead to further reductions, but I don't see that as a deciding factor as long as the force as a whole stays the same size.

In any case its all just a thought exercise here!

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Re: Leo 2 distribution
« Reply #30 on: September 14, 2011, 20:53:05 »
I just can't wait to see a tank Sqn actually operate without a CP again, nor be tied to a piece of ground.

The world will come to an end!!!         ::)

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