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Re: Speaking of combats for cadets.....
« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2011, 18:02:05 »

Simple fix with the cadet rank slip-ons.
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Re: Speaking of combats for cadets.....
« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2011, 22:00:44 »
The picture I posted is the solution to the OG107 running out. These are brand new uniforms, not revamped old OG's. The quality seems comparable to CADPAT and is far quicker drying then the CADETPAT. It also has the added bonus of not making the cadets look like US Marines.

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Re: Speaking of combats for cadets.....
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2011, 22:12:48 »

Simple fix with the cadet rank slip-ons.

It's only supposed to be worn with cadet slip-ons. Unfortunately that regulation is not enforced as strictly as is should be.
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Re: Speaking of combats for cadets.....
« Reply #28 on: October 31, 2011, 16:03:23 »
The average civilian will not care or notice, especially when they identify anything in camo as military, regardless of the nation it belongs to.

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Re: Speaking of combats for cadets.....
« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2012, 23:26:23 »
Why is that Cadet in the Cadetpat wearing a CANADA slip-on and crossed swords on his name tape?
that would be marpat ( U.S. marine  pattern )  i have no clue why that person is wearing it they just look like a tool ( no offense ) one of my friends wore American  BDUs  to a FTX . ALL the reserves and officers chewed him out for it .

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Re: Speaking of combats for cadets.....
« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2012, 23:42:23 »
that would be marpat ( U.S. marine  pattern )

No, It is not.

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Re: Speaking of combats for cadets.....
« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2012, 00:31:11 »
that would be marpat ( U.S. marine  pattern )  i have no clue why that person is wearing it they just look like a tool ( no offense ) one of my friends wore American  BDUs  to a FTX . ALL the reserves and officers chewed him out for it .

Don't know why, as in the CATOs, other patterns of camouflage is permitted for wear in the field. You would wear ACU in Universal Pattern, or Tigerstripe, hell you could even wear multicam, Finland M05 Woodland pattern or German Flecktarn/Tropentarn and no Reservist or CIC Officer has any right to chew anyone out because it is permitted in the Orders.

CadetPAT is CadetPAT and is not MARPAT. The US Military and Marines got their digital patterns after we gave them the technology to make their own.

The picture I posted is the solution to the OG107 running out. These are brand new uniforms, not revamped old OG's. The quality seems comparable to CADPAT and is far quicker drying then the CADETPAT. It also has the added bonus of not making the cadets look like US Marines.

Have you ever worn it? The Gen IV CADETPAT (which doesn't look anything close to a marine, not that it ever has) is much more durable, breathable and quick-drying. It's also stain-resistant (proof almost).
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Re: Speaking of combats for cadets.....
« Reply #32 on: March 17, 2012, 06:30:07 »
Don't know why, as in the CATOs, other patterns of camouflage is permitted for wear in the field. You would wear ACU in Universal Pattern, or Tigerstripe, hell you could even wear multicam, Finland M05 Woodland pattern or German Flecktarn/Tropentarn and no Reservist or CIC Officer has any right to chew anyone out because it is permitted in the Orders.

CadetPAT is CadetPAT and is not MARPAT. The US Military and Marines got their digital patterns after we gave them the technology to make their own.

Have you ever worn it? The Gen IV CADETPAT (which doesn't look anything close to a marine, not that it ever has) is much more durable, breathable and quick-drying. It's also stain-resistant (proof almost).

I have had the displeasure of wearing CADETPAT a number of times. I'll take OG107 any day of the week. In hot weather OG107 breaths better and when it's wet, it dries faster. This is from personal experience as well as talking to a number of cadets who own the stuff. I have no doubt some people do prefer the type of material found in CADETPAT. To each their own. Is it the same camouflage pattern as MARPAT? No. Are the colours so close that they can be confused? Yes. On exercise I have had cadets wearing CADETPAT and one cadet wearing MARPAT (it had the globe and anchor built into the pattern). It wasn't till I got up close that I noticed the difference. IMHO CADETPAT is too similar to MARPAT. Olive drab is just fine and ultimately cheaper to produce.
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Re: Speaking of combats for cadets.....
« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2012, 07:22:58 »
I have had the displeasure of wearing CADETPAT a number of times. I'll take OG107 any day of the week. In hot weather OG107 breaths better and when it's wet, it dries faster. This is from personal experience as well as talking to a number of cadets who own the stuff. I have no doubt some people do prefer the type of material found in CADETPAT. To each their own. Is it the same camouflage pattern as MARPAT? No. Are the colours so close that they can be confused? Yes. On exercise I have had cadets wearing CADETPAT and one cadet wearing MARPAT (it had the globe and anchor built into the pattern). It wasn't till I got up close that I noticed the difference. IMHO CADETPAT is too similar to MARPAT. Olive drab is just fine and ultimately cheaper to produce.

Don't see how you could not tell the difference until you got up close, they are very distinctively different. MARPAT has a different colour variance which is more heavy on the green than anything else.
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Re: Speaking of combats for cadets.....
« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2012, 00:15:29 »
Don't see how you could not tell the difference until you got up close, they are very distinctively different. MARPAT has a different colour variance which is more heavy on the green than anything else.

Because they aren't that different. Especially at distance. There may be different dye lots that would alter the colours of CADETPAT from batch to batch.
As for the whole USMC pattern on cadets thing; when CADETPAT was first sourced it came from an American company, US cavalry, and the "CADETPAT" was listed as a USMC look-a-like pattern. 
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Re: Speaking of combats for cadets.....
« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2012, 01:19:15 »
Really? Cause that certainly looks like revamped OGs to me... maybe its just a bad photo.  ::)

It certainly does look like the thousands of sets of OG combats we had sitting obsolete once we rolled over to cadpat. I know that all those sets went to Cadet Trg Facilities; I was on the truck (just for the ride) that delivered umpteen triwalls upon triwalls full of the OG stuff to Argonaut. All the stuff sitting in depots also got set aside for cadet use. We are talking thousands and thousands of sets of it. A huge volume of this stuff WAS brand new and still in the manufacturer's boxes when we rolled over and it was delivered to CSTCs.

That photo is modified OG combat, but the only modification is the slipon to the front. Other than that, the buttons on OGs have always been exposed (someone mentioned that as a mod earlier in this thread).  Note that dude is wearing obsolete MkIIIs on his feet as well.
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Re: Speaking of combats for cadets.....
« Reply #36 on: March 18, 2012, 17:36:29 »
IMHO CADETPAT is too similar to MARPAT.

Why is that a problem ?

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Re: Speaking of combats for cadets.....
« Reply #37 on: April 03, 2012, 11:23:05 »
Because we are :cdn:

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Re: Speaking of combats for cadets.....
« Reply #38 on: April 03, 2012, 11:33:00 »
There is definitely a requirement to fix the id of the uniform, without distinctive symbols these cadets could be mistaken for legal combatants and we are required by the treaty on Child Soldiers to make this distinction for para military youth organiztions.

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Re: Speaking of combats for cadets.....
« Reply #39 on: April 03, 2012, 12:12:35 »
The cadetpat uniform was cheaply made with numerous flaws. For the newer OD combats I think they should remove the horrible Swoosh logo on the pocket and place a round RCAC patch on the shoulder (as the uniform and maple leaf on it is OD, the RCAC patch should be OD as well).

fraserdw how would you dress the cadets in a field uniform that is functional and instils espirit de corps. You could also make an argument that Scouts Canada look like child soldiers because they wear a "uniform".
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Re: Speaking of combats for cadets.....
« Reply #40 on: April 03, 2012, 12:31:42 »
The cadetpat uniform was cheaply made with numerous flaws. For the newer OD combats I think they should remove the horrible Swoosh logo on the pocket and place a round RCAC patch on the shoulder (as the uniform and maple leaf on it is OD, the RCAC patch should be OD as well).

fraserdw how would you dress the cadets in a field uniform that is functional and instils espirit de corps. You could also make an argument that Scouts Canada look like child soldiers because they wear a "uniform".

I would actually agree with you, that is how.  A full colour crest on an OD uniform would be quite distinctive.  By the way, I did not sign the Treaty but our military is bound by it.  As for scouts, Scouts Canada uniform is very un-military.  I am Rover Knight of the Baden Powell Council (a competing scouting org from the UK), our uniform is brown hiking boots, tan trousers, tan long sleeve shirt with Stetson Hat.  Full uniform, I do not look modern military and my crests and unit identifiers are of reasonable colour to show we are not military.  But the blue and red necker is like a big un-military.  Additionally, I believe (not sure) but I think there is mention of scouts in the Geneva Accords as a non-military civil aid org  in wartime.
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Re: Speaking of combats for cadets.....
« Reply #41 on: April 03, 2012, 13:21:07 »
Even if the patch is in colour, which I'm fine with (as long as the maple leaf is red/white) it still won't change the politically correct. It will actually look similar to Cadpat, only in OD (especially due to the fact the epaulette is in front).

If Scouts wore Stetsons here (as they use too), I would be for it, however everyone else would think they were RCMP ::)

on another note maybe we can get Joe Fresh to redesign our field uniform
http://www.thespec.com/news/canada/article/269314--canadian-scouts-get-a-makeover :facepalm:
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Re: Speaking of combats for cadets.....
« Reply #42 on: April 03, 2012, 13:35:06 »
I would actually agree with you, that is how.  A full colour crest on an OD uniform would be quite distinctive.  By the way, I did not sign the Treaty but our military is bound by it.  As for scouts, Scouts Canada uniform is very un-military.  I am Rover Knight of the Baden Powell Council (a competing scouting org from the UK), our uniform is brown hiking boots, tan trousers, tan long sleeve shirt with Stetson Hat.  Full uniform, I do not look modern military and my crests and unit identifiers are of reasonable colour to show we are not military.  But the blue and red necker is like a big un-military.  Additionally, I believe (not sure) but I think there is mention of scouts in the Geneva Accords as a non-military civil aid org  in wartime.

Sadly, Scouting (at least in Canada) has forgotten its roots.  They often seem to overlook the fact that BP was himself a soldier and that his Scouting for Boys was essentially a re-write of a similar pamphlet he had previously written for cavalry scouts.
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Re: Speaking of combats for cadets.....
« Reply #43 on: April 10, 2012, 15:07:19 »
Even if the patch is in colour, which I'm fine with (as long as the maple leaf is red/white) it still won't change the politically correct. It will actually look similar to Cadpat, only in OD (especially due to the fact the epaulette is in front).

If Scouts wore Stetsons here (as they use too), I would be for it, however everyone else would think they were RCMP ::)

on another note maybe we can get Joe Fresh to redesign our field uniform
http://www.thespec.com/news/canada/article/269314--canadian-scouts-get-a-makeover :facepalm:

Joe Fresh inspired DEUs might be a good recruiting tool for the CF  ;D
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