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Re: In public in Uniform...
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2012, 18:12:42 »
People give you a top gun salute, followed by ridiculous comments. It's the main reason I didn't wear my uniform in Cadets or the Military too often.

That said, nothing pisses me off more than seeing some clown wondering through a store looking like crap. When I am in uniform, it is not an issue (though my wife used to get embarrassed, now she just says "Oh Oh" and stands back to 'watch') but if I am in civis too, I find some of the response are quite colourful. If I get a name (which I have), I look them up in OUTLOOK and send an email to their Unit CWO/CPO. The majority of the time (oddly enough), they are Officers. (in Ottawa anyway)

While in uniform, keep your dress and deportment and conduct (comments) in check, there is always someone who will report it and you won't even notice the guy, followed by getting called into the office by your supervisor.

In the military you screw up, correct it, move on. If someone doesn't like you, do you get posted to a different unit? No, you work together and make the best of it.
Civilian side, things are much more petty...
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Regardless of career directions (civilian or military), keep your dress & deportment, including what you say in check. It will help prepare you for entering the workforce.

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Re: In public in Uniform...
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2012, 18:39:56 »
and you never know who is watching - even in Europe.  Was at a Ceremony this evening and saw an officer (and cadets) in  civis, and headdress......saluting.

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Re: In public in Uniform...
« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2012, 18:57:22 »
and you never know who is watching - even in Europe.  Was at a Ceremony this evening and saw an officer (and cadets) in  civis, and headdress......saluting.

Did you quietly take the Officer aside and correct him/her?

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Re: In public in Uniform...
« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2012, 22:25:11 »
Wearing the uniform in public (in accordance with regs of course) is an important Public Affairs function (it ain't just for paffos anymore ;)).  How many times have members complained about a fundamental disconnect between the military with the rest of the pop?  A visible presence in public (especially by reservists) is an important reminder to the public that the CF is ultimately drawn from and part of society.

(On the OPs note, this is the only one of these memes I found remotely interesting or funny:)

Sh** Civilians Say to Veterans:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Esni1RbwU

For those of us that enjoy at least a decent frozen budget, as opposed to a shrinking budget... We NEED civilian buy in that we are worth it. Sometimes it truly is as simple as being out in uniform for everyone see see us (so long as our dress and deportment are above board).

The citizens need to know we are there, and more importantly, that we are one of them... Not some rabid dog to be chained in the back yard and fed table scraps.
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Re: In public in Uniform...
« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2012, 22:42:48 »
and you never know who is watching - even in Europe.  Was at a Ceremony this evening and saw an officer (and cadets) in  civis, and headdress......saluting.

Oh my... what tragedy...  :facepalm:
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Re: In public in Uniform...
« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2012, 23:25:55 »
I remember (as many on here do )when we were not allowed to stop for anything in uniform unless we were in DEUs (CFs at the time) Then things lightend up a bit and we could stop for gas or go to a convenient store to pick up quick items.  It is much better now, any one that rush to get out of their uniform or tries to wear it as little as possible then you really should rethink your career choice.  On the same note I HATE seeing people out in stores pumping gas, or wandering around with out their head dress on. it really erks the hell out of me
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Re: In public in Uniform...
« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2012, 23:31:57 »
and you never know who is watching - even in Europe.  Was at a Ceremony this evening and saw an officer (and cadets) in  civis, and headdress......saluting.

Wow, really? Did you happen to take any pictures?
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Re: In public in Uniform...
« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2012, 05:25:37 »
Oh my... what tragedy...  :facepalm:

I know I should write my MP! call the newsmedia! :nod:

Hahaha not really -  it amused me for a bit, and I shook my head.

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Re: In public in Uniform...
« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2012, 07:31:03 »
For those of us that enjoy at least a decent frozen budget, as opposed to a shrinking budget... We NEED civilian buy in that we are worth it. Sometimes it truly is as simple as being out in uniform for everyone see see us (so long as our dress and deportment are above board).

The citizens need to know we are there, and more importantly, that we are one of them... Not some rabid dog to be chained in the back yard and fed table scraps.

You just described me. I do everything I can do not wear my uniform in public. You know why? Because in most places where the majority of full time pers are employed, there is a huge military population with a well deserved bad reputation. When people see someone in uniform, but off duty, they immediately judge you. As a single person who tries to be socially active, the last thing I need to be known as is "an army guy" because people expect me to abuse women and break into push up competitions in public.  As far as I'm concerned unless it's an urgent errand or totally "on the way home from work" anyone I see in uniform is just desperate for attention.

To tell me I'm not proud of what I've done and what I do is an insult to me. Just because I don't wander around in public smugly wearing my uniform as if I'm showing off doesn't mean I'm not proud of it. 90% of the people I see walking around in uniform are no-hooks that are just out of/in training who think they're the coolest people in the world, and they'll wander around the mall for hours dressed like that.

18 year old douche bags wearing aviators in uniform aren't going to win over the public. Nice parades and family days and an official public presence will.
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Re: In public in Uniform...
« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2012, 09:38:49 »
You just described me. I do everything I can do not wear my uniform in public. You know why? Because in most places where the majority of full time pers are employed, there is a huge military population with a well deserved bad reputation. When people see someone in uniform, but off duty, they immediately judge you. As a single person who tries to be socially active, the last thing I need to be known as is "an army guy" because people expect me to abuse women and break into push up competitions in public.  As far as I'm concerned unless it's an urgent errand or totally "on the way home from work" anyone I see in uniform is just desperate for attention.

To tell me I'm not proud of what I've done and what I do is an insult to me. Just because I don't wander around in public smugly wearing my uniform as if I'm showing off doesn't mean I'm not proud of it. 90% of the people I see walking around in uniform are no-hooks that are just out of/in training who think they're the coolest people in the world, and they'll wander around the mall for hours dressed like that.

18 year old douche bags wearing aviators in uniform aren't going to win over the public. Nice parades and family days and an official public presence will.

I think we have covered both extremes here.  One the person who "over extends their 'stops' on the way from work" and the other who can't get home fast enough to get out of uniform.  I see no problem with the middle ground: the 'quick stop' enroute to do some Pers Admin; not the go home, pick up the wife and kids and go to Walmart (which I have seen.........adds to those Walmart People sites   ::)  )......
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Re: In public in Uniform...
« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2012, 09:47:17 »
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I see no problem with the middle ground: the 'quick stop' enroute to do some Pers Admin; not the go home, pick up the wife and kids and go to Walmart (which I have seen.........adds to those Walmart People sites   ::)  )......


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Re: In public in Uniform...
« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2012, 10:37:23 »
I am with snaketnk on this, and was what I was saying earlier in the thread. I do not feel some great rush of pride when I put on the uniform, for it is just that, a set of clothing I wear to work. When told I am to wear DEU's my reaction is not much different, except for a little increased annoyance at having to wear something uncomfortable so generals and the like can puff their chests out a little bit more.

If anything, I also go out of my way to not wear uniform in public because I find the 'thanks for what you do, let me buy you coffee'-thing rather embarrassing. I do not need thanks for what I do, that is what my paycheque is for, but I do realise it actually makes the person thanking me feel better about themselves rather than make me feel better.

To suggest that I am not suited for this occupation because I feel this way is really quite idiotic. Do you know what I have done thus far in my career? Probably not......

Also, to those harking on about dress and deportment, sure, agreed, look smart. But I also ask, would your average civvy really notice a soldier with boots untidily bloused or hair touching his ears? No, they see the uniform and think 'soldier', not 'soldier who looks a bit scruffy'. I am not condoning this, just posing the question.


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Re: In public in Uniform...
« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2012, 10:49:03 »
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Also, to those harking on about dress and deportment, sure, agreed, look smart. But I also ask, would your average civvy really notice a soldier with boots untidily bloused or hair touching his ears? No, they see the uniform and think 'soldier', not 'soldier who looks a bit scruffy'. I am not condoning this, just posing the question.

I think they would notice, especially if the soldier in question was standing beside somone who did look good.  They might be civies but even the dumbest 5 year old can play 'one of these things is not like the other'.

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Re: In public in Uniform...
« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2012, 12:03:08 »
I am with snaketnk on this, and was what I was saying earlier in the thread. I do not feel some great rush of pride when I put on the uniform, for it is just that, a set of clothing I wear to work. When told I am to wear DEU's my reaction is not much different, except for a little increased annoyance at having to wear something uncomfortable so generals and the like can puff their chests out a little bit more.

If anything, I also go out of my way to not wear uniform in public because I find the 'thanks for what you do, let me buy you coffee'-thing rather embarrassing. I do not need thanks for what I do, that is what my paycheque is for, but I do realise it actually makes the person thanking me feel better about themselves rather than make me feel better.

To suggest that I am not suited for this occupation because I feel this way is really quite idiotic. Do you know what I have done thus far in my career? Probably not......

Also, to those harking on about dress and deportment, sure, agreed, look smart. But I also ask, would your average civvy really notice a soldier with boots untidily bloused or hair touching his ears? No, they see the uniform and think 'soldier', not 'soldier who looks a bit scruffy'. I am not condoning this, just posing the question.

I understand what you are saying and in an earlier post, I had mentioned 'picking someone up'. I am talking more of the guy walking through the Mall, winter parka undone, hands in his pocket, talking on a cell phone. Depending on severity, situation and surroundings, I may 'let it go' and stew over it!

As for those in communities where the uniform may invoke a bad image because of a few a**holes, re-muster, join the Navy and wear a sailor suit - Everyone loves a sailor!
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Re: In public in Uniform...
« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2012, 12:27:39 »
I am talking more of the guy walking through the Mall, winter parka undone, hands in his pocket, talking on a cell phone.
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Re: In public in Uniform...
« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2012, 12:35:43 »
When told I am to wear DEU's my reaction is not much different, except for a little increased annoyance at having to wear something uncomfortable so generals and the like can puff their chests out a little bit more.
I can't believe I'm weighing-in on a topic as retarded as 'if you wear your uniform, you must be a no-hook Pte showing off.'   :not-again:

I'm certainly not a parade square soldier, but you must hang out with a lot more Generals in the 2CER lines if the only time you're in DEUs is so that "generals and the like can puff their chests out."  ::)


And if your DEU is that uncomfortable, one option is to cash in some Logistik Unicorp points and get one that fits.

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Re: In public in Uniform...
« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2012, 12:45:57 »
You just described me. I do everything I can do not wear my uniform in public. You know why? Because in most places where the majority of full time pers are employed, there is a huge military population with a well deserved bad reputation. When people see someone in uniform, but off duty, they immediately judge you. As a single person who tries to be socially active, the last thing I need to be known as is "an army guy" because people expect me to abuse women and break into push up competitions in public.  As far as I'm concerned unless it's an urgent errand or totally "on the way home from work" anyone I see in uniform is just desperate for attention.

I would counter that the above would be a good reason to be seen in uniform in public....to show that you're not the stereotypical army guy they think you are.

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Re: In public in Uniform...
« Reply #42 on: March 13, 2012, 12:52:09 »
  I see you've been to the Rideau Centre.  >:D

I actually wore the monicker "The NCR shuttle: Dress Nazi" for a short period too!!
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Re: In public in Uniform...
« Reply #43 on: March 13, 2012, 12:57:27 »
For those who go out of their way to avoid wearing the uniform in public because they don't want the attention or the thanks or whatever, you need to remember that it's not all about you.  That person thanking you is thanking the CF as a whole, and you are a reflection of that whole.

As for snake's comment of family days and parades doing more for keeping us in the public eye, I would have to disagree.  These events, although good in getting us and the community together, are still on a limited scale and only target people who already support the CF.  By going out and getting your groceries or gas on the way home from work while still in uniform, you show those people who would never attend any of these events that you are a member of the community and there is nothing to be afraid of.

A reminder to those of you based in high population centres - there is probably also a high population of immigrants who come from countries where the military is not to be trusted.  Running little errands over lunch or on the way home gives them a chance to interact with the CF while they carry out their everyday tasks and may help them understand that we are NOT those militaries.

Finally, you all realize that this thread is in the cadet/CIC forum right?  And the OP was asking about wearing a cadet uniform in public?
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Re: In public in Uniform...
« Reply #44 on: March 13, 2012, 13:02:31 »
Finally, you all realize that this thread is in the cadet/CIC forum right?  And the OP was asking about wearing a cadet uniform in public?

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Re: In public in Uniform...
« Reply #45 on: March 13, 2012, 13:09:51 »
Ooops II!
That said, I think the OP can take some pointers from comments here and apply them to cadets. I only worked a short time as a CLO but if I recall, their dress instructions are an extension of the Canadian Forces Dress Instructions...No?
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Re: In public in Uniform...
« Reply #46 on: March 13, 2012, 14:28:54 »
I can't believe I'm weighing-in on a topic as retarded as 'if you wear your uniform, you must be a no-hook Pte showing off.'   :not-again:

I'm certainly not a parade square soldier, but you must hang out with a lot more Generals in the 2CER lines if the only time you're in DEUs is so that "generals and the like can puff their chests out."  ::)


And if your DEU is that uncomfortable, one option is to cash in some Logistik Unicorp points and get one that fits.

Oh they fit all right, it's just that given a lazy saturday morning, lovely sunny day, wife took kids away for weekend, my absolute last choice of comfortable relaxing wear would be DEU's. If they were made of better material maybe they would be less so, but the amount of polyester in them I might as well be wearing saran-wrap.

But, as recently pointed out, this is the cadet forum, about cadet uniforms. Wear away young jedis, just don't slouch around looking like or show up at a klan rally and you will be alright. This is also the internet, and therefore pointless, but it is march break and I have the time on my hands.


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Re: In public in Uniform...
« Reply #47 on: March 13, 2012, 15:12:40 »
Hey, thanks for getting back on track..... 8)

To be totally honest, as long as we are presentable and courteous, we should be fine in uniforms. To date, I have worn STU's, C-1 and PT gear, along with weekend training gear in public. I don't rush home to change, nor do I put on my uniform just to go some where other than cadets. (Except for Nov. 11, when we are asked to wear our C-1s to school/ceremony.) I know some who will bring a change of clothes for after, I might too, if I'm going to a nice supper, or just going to be out a lot and don't want to wear my boots.

As for pride, I sometimes do feel a sense of pride, in myself, my corp and my country, when wearing my uniform. Nov. 11, again, is a perfect example. A personal moment for me, though, is on the drill team, per say, when we execute our brand-new silent routine perfectly, that's an awesome feeling.

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Re: In public in Uniform...
« Reply #48 on: March 14, 2012, 10:12:46 »
Oh they fit all right, it's just that given a lazy saturday morning, lovely sunny day, wife took kids away for weekend, my absolute last choice of comfortable relaxing wear would be DEU's. If they were made of better material maybe they would be less so, but the amount of polyester in them I might as well be wearing saran-wrap.


It is more difficult to maintain the cadet uniform, less almost no wool in the pants makes it difficult to crease, your wearing your dress uniform every week, sewing your badges on by hand (good skill to have). In the CF, I wore my DEU's probably only 3 times a year, spent the rest of the time in Combats / NCD's / Cooks whites.
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Re: In public in Uniform...
« Reply #49 on: March 14, 2012, 10:18:46 »
It is more difficult to maintain the cadet uniform, less almost no wool in the pants makes it difficult to crease, your wearing your dress uniform every week, sewing your badges on by hand (good skill to have).        I wore my CF's maybe 3 times a year.

I'm pretty sure that the current cadet "dress" (??) uniform is still made out of the same material it was when I wore it both as a cadet and when I wore the same material in our old CF work dress. Hard to iron?? That's a first.
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