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Re: Combat Engineers vs engineering officers
« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2013, 17:58:23 »
4 years.

Thanks. Is it safe to say then that the entire committment will take around 5 years including training (not including the recruitement process)? How far up the ranks would I be able to get in that minimum term?

Would any of this "military progress" count towards anything if I choose to apply to another trade after the original combat engineer term? What if I apply as an officer to another trade?

Thanks very much for the feedback.

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Re: Combat Engineers vs engineering officers
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2013, 13:29:23 »
Minimum you would get is Cpl, as for the highest rank.. that is hard to say. It would all depend on your preformance in the job. There are a lot of MCpls with only 5 years in, but that trend could very well change by the time you are done your trade training.

Now as for changing your trade... again it all depends on what courses you get after your trade training. The longer you stay in the more likely you will get leadership courses which can assist in you switching to another trade.

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Re: Combat Engineers vs engineering officers
« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2013, 15:38:18 »
Thanks for the info guys. Is the 4-year service term still the standard requirement? Is there info online on mandatory service terms for different trades? They usually have it on a piece of paper at the CFRC but I've never seen it online. Thanks.

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Re: Combat Engineers vs engineering officers
« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2013, 15:40:58 »
Is there info online on mandatory service terms for different trades?

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Re: Combat Engineers vs engineering officers
« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2013, 15:46:35 »
Nice, thank you! Why is it called variable initial engagement?

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Re: Combat Engineers vs engineering officers
« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2013, 15:51:24 »
Why is it called variable initial engagement?

Because the length of the Initial Engagement is variable depending on trade?

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Re: Combat Engineers vs engineering officers
« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2013, 16:59:45 »
Thanks. I understood it to mean that the service term might be variable within the trade itself, which I thought was strange given the fact that each trade seems to have a firm service term assigned to it.

Switching gears. Does anyone know if there are any opportunities for combat engineers to receive some of the advanced training from the Infantry category? e.g. Sniper, Recon. Thanks.

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« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2013, 17:02:51 »
Switching gears. Does anyone know if there are any opportunities for combat engineers to receive some of the advanced training from the Infantry category? e.g. Sniper, Recon. Thanks.

Combat Engineers are eligible for some of the same advanced courses as the Infantry, but they are not eligible for all the courses the Infantry can do such as Sniper. Different roles/jobs and all that.  Plenty of courses available to Combat Engineers though, some will be easier to get put on then others though.

See the below link, look under "Any NCM" and "Combat Engineer"
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,103901.0.html
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Re: Combat Engineers vs engineering officers
« Reply #33 on: June 16, 2013, 17:05:30 »
Does anyone know if there are any opportunities for combat engineers to receive some of the advanced training from the Infantry category? e.g. Sniper, Recon.

Courses available for combat eng.
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Re: Combat Engineers vs engineering officers
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Re: Combat Engineers vs engineering officers
« Reply #35 on: June 16, 2013, 17:34:57 »
Good stuff guys. Thanks for the source and the correction. Wondering how it got to be "recce" from reconnaissance... ???

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Re: Combat Engineers vs engineering officers
« Reply #36 on: June 16, 2013, 18:39:47 »
Good stuff guys. Thanks for the source and the correction. Wondering how it got to be "recce" from reconnaissance... ???

Recce is the British term, whereas Recon is American. As the CF has mainly British roots....

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Re: Combat Engineers vs engineering officers
« Reply #37 on: June 16, 2013, 19:10:13 »
Good stuff guys. Thanks for the source and the correction. Wondering how it got to be "recce" from reconnaissance... ???

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Re: Combat Engineers vs engineering officers
« Reply #38 on: June 16, 2013, 21:20:48 »
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Re: Combat Engineers vs engineering officers
« Reply #39 on: December 07, 2013, 18:51:37 »
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VARIABLE INITIAL ENGAGEMENT LENGTHS BY OCCUPATION - NCMs

00339 - 043 - CBT ENGR - VIE 5

When did this change, cause most of the above^^ said 4 year-as of earlier this year. Just curious as a current Cbt Engr applicant. Is it like, 1 year BMQ plus trade training then 4 years service? lol

Any sappers/officers out there with a opinion on where to ask to get stationed (yet I know they post you but I've heard you can pick a desired location) as Cbt Engr. My family is mostly Alberta/East BC so Wainright would be closest. But Petawawa would be a good choice as I love Scuba diving and outdoorsy-ness. Or Gagetown?...which one do you think would have best opportunity to get into Cbt Diving? or all equal nationwide?

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Re: Combat Engineers vs engineering officers
« Reply #40 on: December 07, 2013, 22:08:57 »
Any sappers/officers out there with a opinion on where to ask to get stationed (yet I know they post you but I've heard you can pick a desired location) as Cbt Engr. My family is mostly Alberta/East BC so Wainright would be closest. But Petawawa would be a good choice as I love Scuba diving and outdoorsy-ness. Or Gagetown?...which one do you think would have best opportunity to get into Cbt Diving? or all equal nationwide?
You might consider asking that here:  http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,106683.0.html

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Re: Combat Engineers vs engineering officers
« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2013, 13:44:47 »
When did this change, cause most of the above^^ said 4 year-as of earlier this year. Just curious as a current Cbt Engr applicant. Is it like, 1 year BMQ plus trade training then 4 years service? lol

Any sappers/officers out there with a opinion on where to ask to get stationed (yet I know they post you but I've heard you can pick a desired location) as Cbt Engr. My family is mostly Alberta/East BC so Wainright would be closest. But Petawawa would be a good choice as I love Scuba diving and outdoorsy-ness. Or Gagetown?...which one do you think would have best opportunity to get into Cbt Diving? or all equal nationwide?

Shanks

There aren't any CER's in Wainwright, so you'd be looking at Edmonton if you want to be close to your family. Petawawa is better than Gagetown for outdoorsy stuff and dive courses are loaded nationally so it doesn't really matter which unit you're in.

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Re: Combat Engineers vs engineering officers
« Reply #42 on: March 31, 2014, 12:49:04 »
Is it possible for officers to get specialized training? e.g. explosives disposal, pathfinder. Or are specializations generally reserved for NCMs? Thanks.

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Re: Combat Engineers vs engineering officers
« Reply #43 on: March 31, 2014, 13:00:14 »
Is it possible for officers to get specialized training? e.g. explosives disposal, pathfinder. Or are specializations generally reserved for NCMs? Thanks.

Well here are some, from the same thread when you asked this question earlier... :facepalm:
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,103901.0.html

Engineer Officer
   Air Ground Range Safety Officer
        Ammunition Technical Officer
        Armoured Vehicle Administrative Movement
        Army Direct Fire Specialist
        Conventional Munitions Disposal – Advanced
        Deployable Technical Analysis Laboratory Operator
        Deployable Technical Analysis Laboratory Supervisor
        Expedient Route Opening Capability Section Commander
   Geotechnical Engineering in Northern Regions
   Geotextile Engineering
        Improvised Explosive Device Disposal Assistant
        Improvised Explosive Device Disposal Operator
        Joint Improvised Explosives (HME) – Intermediate
   Joint Improvised Explosives (HME) – Advanced
   Junior DND Realty Asset Manager
        Patrol Pathfinder Insertion-Extraction Operator
   Patrol Pathfinder Leader
        Post Graduate Degree - Research and Development Explosives
   Reconnaissance Patrolman – Basic
        Tactical Exploiter
        TECHINT Level 2 Exploitation Facility Investigator
        Thermographer

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Re: Combat Engineers vs engineering officers
« Reply #44 on: March 31, 2014, 13:02:15 »
Just making sure that list is still active and applicable. Thanks.