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Naval Ensign
« on: May 02, 2013, 20:09:54 »
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2013/05/02/ns-navy-flag-ensign.html

After 48 years, the Royal Canadian Navy will be flying a new flag.

The new ensign will debut on May 5, marking the anniversary of the Battle of the Atlantic, a time when the navy and Canadians salute the sacrifices of sailors during the Second World War.

Since 1965, the Canadian maple leaf flag has flown off the stern of Canadian warships. The new design harkens back to the wartime navy. Back then, the naval ensign had a British flag in the upper corner on an all-white background.

In a reversal, the flag known as the Naval Jack will become the new Canadian naval ensign and the maple leaf design will become the new Naval Jack.

The new naval ensign incorporates the national flag in the upper left hand corner and the naval badge.

The navy said the switch doesn't mean they’ll scrap the maple leaf flag. Previously the ensign flag was displayed on the bow of Canadian warships, a less prominent position in navy protocol.

The new ensign will fly on 34 Canadian warships. The first ship to show it will be HMCS Toronto, now serving in the Persian Gulf.




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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2013, 05:08:48 »
I heard about this but couldn't find anything on it. Interesting.

34 warships-Are we hiding one somewhere???
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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2013, 06:16:56 »
Looks fine:



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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2013, 06:45:06 »
Will look strange at first until we become accustomed to it again.  It's not like we're re-inventing the wheel or anything, just retuning to what was once again.

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So here is the new "white ensign" - distinctively Canada and well grounded historically - as it was when it was the Naval Jack.

And all at no cost, too. BZ, Navy!

Looks good, distinctive....
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So here is the new "white ensign" - distinctively Canada and well grounded historically - as it was when it was the Naval Jack.

And all at no cost, too. BZ, Navy!

Couldn't they find a ship without a stove in bow, for the picture?  ;D
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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2013, 08:59:09 »
I really think that manhours and resources could be used better elsewhere. Why not go back to hammocks and hard tack too?

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Couldn't they find a ship without a stove in bow, for the picture?  ;D

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Finally, the National flag is back at the place of honour on a ship: The Jackstaff.

And switching the Ol' Jack to become the Ensign is exactly what I proposed in these pages two years ago when the curl was reintroduced - Either someone in Ottawa is reading these pages or great minds think alike ;) .

The next question now: Will the CFAV's switch theirs too, so they now fly the Canadian Blue Ensign ?

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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2013, 09:21:20 »
...And 130 deg Boiler Rooms, asbestos dust (Yumm!) and of course 'Tiller Flats' justice!!!
I am still wondering why the majority of us were likely informed of this through the press?
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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2013, 09:23:31 »
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2013/05/02/ns-navy-flag-ensign.html

After 48 years, the Royal Canadian Navy will be flying a new flag.

The new ensign will debut on May 5, marking the anniversary of the Battle of the Atlantic, a time when the navy and Canadians salute the sacrifices of sailors during the Second World War.

Since 1965, the Canadian maple leaf flag has flown off the stern of Canadian warships. The new design harkens back to the wartime navy. Back then, the naval ensign had a British flag in the upper corner on an all-white background.

In a reversal, the flag known as the Naval Jack will become the new Canadian naval ensign and the maple leaf design will become the new Naval Jack.

The new naval ensign incorporates the national flag in the upper left hand corner and the naval badge.

The navy said the switch doesn't mean they’ll scrap the maple leaf flag. Previously the ensign flag was displayed on the bow of Canadian warships, a less prominent position in navy protocol.

The new ensign will fly on 34 Canadian warships. The first ship to show it will be HMCS Toronto, now serving in the Persian Gulf.

That's funny. I was always taught by the old Chiefs at comm school that in Commonwealth navies, the Jack was the place of honour onboard.

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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2013, 10:24:12 »
I really think that manhours and resources could be used better elsewhere. Why not go back to hammocks and hard tack too?
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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2013, 10:42:50 »
yum, hard tack, not to mention the free protein that comes with them, which will then surely lead to this discussion in the wardroom..

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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2013, 11:28:49 »
Hell with hardtack.. bring back the TOT!

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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2013, 13:39:37 »
I can't see there being too much cost to this since it's essentially just a matter of swapping ends where the flags go on the ships

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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2013, 13:41:31 »
Here here!





(EDIT to add: I meant this in response to the tot. I apparently wasn't fast enough)
« Last Edit: May 04, 2013, 07:13:32 by bLUE fOX »
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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2013, 13:43:46 »
I can't see there being too much cost to this since it's essentially just a matter of swapping ends where the flags go on the ships

You forgot all the bureaucratic man-hours spent on the paperwork that is involved in amending publications, orders, etc.; not to mention the translation of said orders and publications prior to reprinting them.   >:D
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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2013, 13:46:21 »
Just had hands fall down after lunch.  The old man said (paraphrase) there's more corrections coming with the intent of ridding any semblance of the what was done at unification.  I'm not too sure what else needs to be done to bring the wheel back around once more, he didn't elaborate further.  Will have to wait and see.

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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2013, 14:33:26 »
I can't see there being too much cost to this since it's essentially just a matter of swapping ends where the flags go on the ships

To be fair, there are some minor costs associated with this.  The one I am aware of was the requirement to procure new ensigns for our small boats.  But again, I think that was, relatively speaking, a minor cost
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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2013, 14:36:43 »
I suppose that the frigates and destroyers will need new "battle ensigns", to the extent that those are carried.

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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2013, 14:55:43 »
God help the first couple of duty watches onboard for Colours and Sunset....for the first few I can see flags being hoisted, taken down and 1 person running forward and the other to the quarterdeck to swap out.
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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2013, 15:39:16 »
I heard about this but couldn't find anything on it. Interesting.

34 warships-Are we hiding one somewhere???

3 x Destroyers
12 x Frigates
12 x MCDVs
4 x Submarines
2 x AORs
1 x HMCS ORIOLE

= 34

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Re: Naval Ensign
« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2013, 15:51:38 »
God help the first couple of duty watches onboard for Colours and Sunset....for the first few I can see flags being hoisted, taken down and 1 person running forward and the other to the quarterdeck to swap out.

Exactly! I can't wait for some hapless OOD to come back off leave or something, having missed the announcement and think that his POOD is trying to mess with him.

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Finally, the National flag is back at the place of honour on a ship: The Jackstaff.

And switching the Ol' Jack to become the Ensign is exactly what I proposed in these pages two years ago when the curl was reintroduced - Either someone in Ottawa is reading these pages or great minds think alike ;) .

The next question now: Will the CFAV's switch theirs too, so they now fly the Canadian Blue Ensign ?

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Let's take some time out here to absorb the change. Don't want to move too fast or it will just send you Navy types into a fantail spin. ;D
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