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Re: IPR - denial of $$$
« Reply #50 on: February 27, 2015, 12:50:45 »
Well, I thought I would get the core benefits too, but the core formula does not allow for it.

What a ****ed up way of presenting things in the manual. Baffles me that they list all those benefits, but how can you possibly pay for them?

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Re: IPR - denial of $$$
« Reply #51 on: February 27, 2015, 13:04:45 »
Pretty sure Treasury Board sets the rules, Brookfield is just a lowest-bidder company assigned to implement the policy.

True, but they're not above interpreting policy in their own interests.
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Re: IPR - denial of $$$
« Reply #52 on: February 27, 2015, 13:15:57 »
"Look at all these benefits available to you under an IPR 4a release!! Unfortunately, there is very little funding available to you."

I wish they had just said that on day 1.

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Re: IPR - denial of $$$
« Reply #53 on: February 27, 2015, 13:34:46 »
What about people like myself who did not CT, I actually left and returned to Reg from civi, should I still be able to get the core benefits for a move equivalent to a return to place of enrollment (immediate annuity qualified)?

Re-Enrolments are treated slightly different.  If you retired from the Reg F, were entitled to an IPR at the time of release but DID NOT exercise your entitlement and subsequently "re-enrol" back into the Reg F prior to your IPR entitlement period expiring, then the benefit will be extended.

http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/about-policies-standards-benefits-relocation/2014-directive-amend-ch14.page#art-14-01-05
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Re: IPR - denial of $$$
« Reply #54 on: February 27, 2015, 13:44:52 »
Maybe this is a really silly question, but here goes:

Movers packing, loading, transporting my stuff: What pot of money does that come out of, or am I paying for that too?

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Re: IPR - denial of $$$
« Reply #55 on: February 27, 2015, 14:45:07 »
Maybe this is a really silly question, but here goes:

Movers packing, loading, transporting my stuff: What pot of money does that come out of, or am I paying for that too?

I do believe that you will be entitled to all the Benefits outlined in Sect 1 and 2 of the policy manual.  14.3.07 merely takes some of the benefits which are normally CORE and relegates them to the Custom Benefit.  So Shipment of HG&E is a Core Benefit and stays that way.

PS - I modified some of my posts above to be more reflective and accurate after I read 14.1.05 with regards to Re-enrolment in the Reg F who could have elected an IPR but didn't and the time limits had not expired.
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Re: IPR - denial of $$$
« Reply #56 on: February 27, 2015, 15:17:14 »
Thanks. You are very helpful. Really appreciate it.

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Re: IPR - denial of $$$
« Reply #57 on: February 27, 2015, 16:34:35 »
Yes, thanks DAA as always, very helpful, I completely forgot about my original IPR election timeline that had not expired before re-enrollment.
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Re: IPR - denial of $$$
« Reply #58 on: February 27, 2015, 19:49:08 »
I have to say it really is amazing how many (including those working at Releases) look at that policy manual and conclude that the list of benefits is what you get, period. I'm not the only person who ever did not go a few pages further and study the funding formula. It's akin to being one of those tiny asterixes with all kinds of fine print, but it's even worse than that, because the wonderful list makes no mention of that formula.

I may have said it before, but I cannot think of any scenario (under 4a releases) where that formula would allow for even a few of those listed benefits to be covered. It's an absolute joke that it appears you get X+Y+Z, yet the formula doesn't even allow for X.

33 years in, 28.5yr pension, and I get $2000 and move of my stuff for IPR. I have never been an "entitlement" person, but this is crazy.

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Re: IPR - denial of $$$
« Reply #59 on: February 27, 2015, 20:41:20 »
Did you get an IPR move when you transferred to pres in 96? Or was that a different system then?

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Re: IPR - denial of $$$
« Reply #60 on: February 27, 2015, 21:22:24 »
Nothing. I didn't even bother to look up what was available then, because I happily stayed in the same house and worked PRes at same base.
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Re: IPR - denial of $$$
« Reply #61 on: February 27, 2015, 22:18:38 »
Don't forget to consult CRA on what expenses that you incur in the move that can be claimed on your income tax. It's not a lot. But it is something.

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Re: IPR - denial of $$$
« Reply #62 on: March 13, 2015, 17:34:54 »
You can try for an Adjudication but I would tend to think that whom ever supports such a request, is going to look rather silly at the end of the day for sending that up to DCBA.

Resurrecting a dead thread. Some people more senior to me are convinced that I must go to DCBA with this. They insist that the basic intent of IPR has been bypassed in my case. The manual, badly written as it is, does not constitute Canadian Forces Orders or Directives. DCBA needs to see that the formula cannot even begin to address the list of benefits, so therefore something is very wrong in this case!!

So....is there another thread somewhere about how to write a memo to DCBA?  :)

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Re: IPR - denial of $$$
« Reply #63 on: March 13, 2015, 19:58:58 »
Resurrecting a dead thread. Some people more senior to me are convinced that I must go to DCBA with this. They insist that the basic intent of IPR has been bypassed in my case. The manual, badly written as it is, does not constitute Canadian Forces Orders or Directives. DCBA needs to see that the formula cannot even begin to address the list of benefits, so therefore something is very wrong in this case!!

So....is there another thread somewhere about how to write a memo to DCBA?  :)

Unless you have left something out in your previous posts, there really isn't much wrong here.  Those whom you descibe as being above you, are merely giving you the "sympathy" cushion to fall on.  It's a rather and regretably common syndrome. To put it simply, if they think there is something "wrong", then why are they not actively trying to help advance your cause?

Once you have an answer to the question above, then you will know!  If someone says "That's up to you to follow up on/etc/etc", then thats no different than saying "I'll back you up, until your chest caves in."     :facepalm:
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Re: IPR - denial of $$$
« Reply #64 on: March 13, 2015, 21:28:28 »
Unless you have left something out in your previous posts, there really isn't much wrong here.  Those whom you descibe as being above you, are merely giving you the "sympathy" cushion to fall on.  It's a rather and regretably common syndrome. To put it simply, if they think there is something "wrong", then why are they not actively trying to help advance your cause?

Once you have an answer to the question above, then you will know!  If someone says "That's up to you to follow up on/etc/etc", then thats no different than saying "I'll back you up, until your chest caves in."     :facepalm:

I love you, but that is a bit harsh. I told each of these people "no I'm screwed, here is Ch 14, see?" They convinced me otherwise. It won't HURT to get a clarification on this situation. Is IPR for someone with my years, who has rarely used Brookfield for anything, supposed to amount to 2G and a move of F+E? Philosophically, something is very wrong here. A person more senior to me in rank is actively helping me craft the body of the memo.

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Re: IPR - denial of $$$
« Reply #65 on: March 13, 2015, 21:56:06 »
Anyway, I will report back here on DCBA conclusion, good or bad. I actually expect bad - ie nothing will change. But maybe, just maybe someone will force a closer look at how this is formulated.

Or maybe not.  :)

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Re: IPR - denial of $$$
« Reply #66 on: January 19, 2016, 22:01:15 »
"Re-Enrolments are treated slightly different.  If you retired from the Reg F, were entitled to an IPR at the time of release but DID NOT exercise your entitlement and subsequently "re-enrol" back into the Reg F prior to your IPR entitlement period expiring, then the benefit will be extended."

Sorry to butt in on this older thread but I am getting a bit of a runaround.  What if I "DID" exercise my IPR previously, then re-enroled and was posted.  Would I not be entitled to a move back to enrolment location on a 4a release off of a CE?  Thanks,

Mike

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Re: IPR - denial of $$$
« Reply #67 on: January 19, 2016, 22:07:04 »
Here is a link to:

Relocation Directive - APS 2009/2015

At the bottom you will find Chapter 14 - Move to Intended Place of Residence (IPR) on Release or On Transfer from the Regular Force:

Relocation Directive - APS 2009-2015 - Chapter 14
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Re: IPR - denial of $$$
« Reply #68 on: January 19, 2016, 22:17:27 »
Thanks George,

I have read that section many times.  What I cannot seem to find is any reference to a what if you have already used an IPR..... It seems to me that I should get a move to enrolment location at the very least as I am now on a new TOS once I re-Enroll.  Cheers,

Mike