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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #275 on: September 25, 2017, 13:23:05 »
Thank you!

You are welcome. Good luck.  :)

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #276 on: September 25, 2017, 15:35:17 »
Hey guys, I will be doing bmq in the bext couple months and wondering about benefits (when they kick in) and the prpblem woth a tooth i have.  I have a tooth that was about hald way through the prpcess.of root canal but was unable to finish the procedure because of cost.   Now o feel like tooth has escalated to a level higher of problem.  Will bmq be affected or can I get my teeth looked at?   Looked for some onfo and couldnt find , thanks ahead of time.

If you have a dental issue that interferes with your training, you could be removed from your platoon and re-coursed after the issue is resolved.  Recourse means moved into a *holding platoon* with ours who are on a delay in training for a variety of reasons.  Once you are fit again, you'd be placed back into a new platoon and carry on.

Just be aware, if you miss X amount of training or classes, this could also be a cause for recourse, so if possible at all it is much better to go to BMQ as fit as possible.  What might be an agitation now could escalate to the level it negatively affects your performance, for example, during field training, or firing the C7 on the range.  It could be something as simple and marching and doing drill that increases the discomfort, only you will know when you get there how much this will (potentially) impact your ability to do the training with the state your dental fitness is now.

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #277 on: September 30, 2017, 08:00:41 »
So, I'm sick as a dog. Coughing up yellow phlegm, voice cracking, sore throat, etc...and i just wanna know how you guys naturally get over it without going to the MIR? I can't miss any more PT's or they'll recourse me.

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #278 on: September 30, 2017, 08:37:51 »
So, I'm sick as a dog. Coughing up yellow phlegm, voice cracking, sore throat, etc...and i just wanna know how you guys naturally get over it without going to the MIR? I can't miss any more PT's or they'll recourse me.

Thanks
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You've been at basic for 19 days and you're at risk of being re-coursed for missed PT? Was the missed PT caused by the sickness you mentioned above? Seems a bit strange.

It really depends how sick you are. If you just feel shitty then you could ignore it and push yourself through being sick and stay on course. People have pushed through a hell of a lot harder courses being in a much worse place than having a sore throat.  On the other hand depending how sick you are you could really mess yourself up such as if it develops in to pneumonia.

Lastly you could look to some witchcraft. I'll chase a double dose of bucklys and nyquil with a jagerbomb. Seems to do the trick for me, I don't advise it if your handling weapons, or working. Or interacting with people really.
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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #279 on: September 30, 2017, 08:54:43 »
You've been at basic for 19 days and you're at risk of being re-coursed for missed PT? Was the missed PT caused by the sickness you mentioned above? Seems a bit strange.

It really depends how sick you are. If you just feel shitty then you could ignore it and push yourself through being sick and stay on course. People have pushed through a hell of a lot harder courses being in a much worse place than having a sore throat.  On the other hand depending how sick you are you could really mess yourself up such as if it develops in to pneumonia.

Lastly you could look to some witchcraft. I'll chase a double dose of bucklys and nyquil with a jagerbomb. Seems to do the trick for me, I don't advise it if your handling weapons, or working. Or interacting with people really.

I had blisters on feet (f'in armory can't measure for crud) and had to miss the obstacle course & 2.2 mile ruck sack march. So that counts as 4 missed PT's. I only have 9 so i already blew through half my "sick days"...with 70+ days to go...i can't eff up much.

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #280 on: September 30, 2017, 09:07:33 »
I had blisters on feet

See also,

https://milnet.ca/forums/index.php/topic,73676.msg1496580.html#msg1496580
OP: FlyLikeAnEagle  "i have a "small" injury on my big toe."
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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #281 on: September 30, 2017, 09:42:24 »
Well it sounds like you have a little more wiggle room then you initially explained.   If you're worried about it being something significant but are too worried about losing pt days you could wait until your first  weekend leave  and get checked at a civilian hospital. Best case your burdening the overworked civilian system with a trip to Emerg because of a cold. Worst case it's something significant and you'll need light duties and possibly recoursed. Being recoursed sucks but not as much as giving yourself perminate health problems. Only you know how sick you feel. Good luck.
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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #282 on: October 21, 2017, 16:19:10 »
**Reason this question is being asked here is because I cannot find another suitable thread.**

Hey guys, so I feel that I have gotten myself into a jam here.

I have told my family doctor that I will no longer be a patient as I am joining the army. So she then proceeded to print off my entire medical history (She has been my doc since birth) so I now have a 2 inch thick file detailing every doctors appointment I have had from birth to 20 years old (Which is now). Do I bring this to St.Jean with me?

When I did my enrolment medical I got the green light from Ottawa without needing any paperwork signed by my family doctor.

So I am just wondering if I need to bring this ridiculous file to BMQ? Will it be of any use to the Med staff there or will I just be annoying them? 

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #283 on: October 21, 2017, 16:31:47 »
Do I bring this to St.Jean with me?

So I am just wondering if I need to bring this ridiculous file to BMQ?

CFLRS
Required Documents and Items
The following documents are required on arrival:
http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/training-establishments/recruit-school-joining-instructions.page

The following documents are required only if applicable:

a.medical prescriptions;

b.eyeglass prescriptions;

h.proof of change in medical status;

As always, Recruiting is your most trusted source of information.

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #284 on: October 21, 2017, 16:37:31 »
HAHA! Thanks mariomike!

It went from a massive file to one sheet detailing my Immunization records.

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #285 on: October 21, 2017, 16:38:34 »
HAHA! Thanks mariomike!

You are welcome. Good luck.  :)

I never liked my DP. She was cranky and mean.

DP?

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #286 on: October 21, 2017, 16:44:53 »
DP=Daily Physician

You are correct in assuming I have never seen that movie.

It is a line from the US version of the Office, and I feel as though it pertains to my lifestyle correctly.
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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #287 on: December 09, 2017, 16:40:23 »
So I Was in the Canadian infantry in 2003 and only served basic training. I received a bunch of vaccination shots (some made me ill) I want to know what vaccination do they give you, exactl,y as I am traveling to Thailand and I want to see what vaccinations to get

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #288 on: December 09, 2017, 18:25:07 »
So I Was in the Canadian infantry in 2003 and only served basic training. I received a bunch of vaccination shots (some made me ill) I want to know what vaccination do they give you, exactl,y as I am traveling to Thailand and I want to see what vaccinations to get

Did you only do BMQ or did you complete DP1/BIQ as well?

Due to the time passed, and lack of records it might be in your best interest to go see your Dr and get them to recommend what vaccinations you should get.  That may end up being everything required for North America plus whatever is required/recommended for Thailand.
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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #289 on: December 09, 2017, 19:44:16 »
You could submit a request for your medical file through DAIP (Directorate Access to Information and Privacy).  Since you released a long time ago, your file will be at Archives, but they can send you a copy of what they have.

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #290 on: December 10, 2017, 00:47:35 »
So I Was in the Canadian infantry in 2003 and only served basic training. I received a bunch of vaccination shots (some made me ill) I want to know what vaccination do they give you, exactl,y as I am traveling to Thailand and I want to see what vaccinations to get

2003? Some shots you received would be expired.  If you got the complete Hep A and B series and MMR, you wouldn't need them again; they're good for life.


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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #291 on: December 15, 2017, 15:47:30 »
Does anyone know anymore about the policy where as if recruits miss a certain amount of PT classes on BMQ for whatever reason they're kicked off course?   I'm told from a "victim" of this that it's a PRB after 6 missed PT classes and an automatic recourse after 9. It sounds like a fantastic policy if that's true.
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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #292 on: December 15, 2017, 19:59:44 »
Does anyone know anymore about the policy where as if recruits miss a certain amount of PT classes on BMQ for whatever reason they're kicked off course?   I'm told from a "victim" of this that it's a PRB after 6 missed PT classes and an automatic recourse after 9. It sounds like a fantastic policy if that's true.
Yes it's true, happened to couple people on my course. Stops people from going to the MIR to skip out that's forsure.

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #293 on: December 15, 2017, 22:29:56 »
That sounds like a good rule to keep people from skipping exercise for illegitimate reasons. Would there be any exceptions for someone who, for example, sprained their ankle?
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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #294 on: December 16, 2017, 07:00:38 »
That sounds like a good rule to keep people from skipping exercise for illegitimate reasons. Would there be any exceptions for someone who, for example, sprained their ankle?

Speaking from experience, no exceptions.   I was told my recourse would happen if I missed 10 classes total, or 6 in any one subject (PT classes tend to be 2 class periods long, so super easy to miss 6). And the MIR is only open during the day 0730-1530 ish, so going "after class" is not an option.   

Also keep in mind that if you miss more than 12 consecutive hours of field training that is also an automatic recourse. So make sure if you need the MIR while out in Farnham, that you are prepared to face the consequences.

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #295 on: December 16, 2017, 08:38:33 »
Flip side: you're going to have troops avoid the MIR when they really should be there, trying to tough it out. Then they're going to arsehole themselves worse.

I understand the premise behind this, but the application has some serious knock on effects.
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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #296 on: December 16, 2017, 11:13:55 »
Flip side: you're going to have troops avoid the MIR when they really should be there, trying to tough it out. Then they're going to arsehole themselves worse.

I understand the premise behind this, but the application has some serious knock on effects.

That certainly makes sense but I think where we're at society/generation wise the bigger issue is people generally out of shape who don't understand the difference between hurting and injured, possibly from living a very sheltered life.

If someone is genuinely injured then they should get medical treatment and not try to tough it out.  Issue being too many recruits are going to the MIR with little aches and pains or some sniffles. I think a lot of guys and girls latch on to those MIR trips/sick chits like a life line.
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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #297 on: December 16, 2017, 12:51:49 »
That certainly makes sense but I think where we're at society/generation wise the bigger issue is people generally out of shape who don't understand the difference between hurting and injured, possibly from living a very sheltered life.

If someone is genuinely injured then they should get medical treatment and not try to tough it out.  Issue being too many recruits are going to the MIR with little aches and pains or some sniffles. I think a lot of guys and girls latch on to those MIR trips/sick chits like a life line.

My experience from being at St Jean from Sep ‘14 to Dec ‘15 is that, yes, while there are ones who go to the MIR prematurely, the number is low. There is, however, a significant number of recruits who do whatever they possibly can to cover/endure an injury in order to avoid recourse. Everything from fractures to severe infections. I’ve witnessed this first-hand on more occasions than I care to admit and unfortunately, I’m included in that number.

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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #298 on: December 16, 2017, 13:06:23 »
See also,

Disability on course - BMQ, QL, Trades, ect...[MERGED]
https://navy.ca/forums/index.php/topic,125902.0.html
6 pages.

Malingering
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=74062.0
2 pages.

Injured recruits misdiagnosed then dropped by military 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=70802.75
5 pages.
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Re: BMQ / BMOQ - Medical, Dental, Mental health questions [Merged]
« Reply #299 on: December 16, 2017, 13:39:30 »
My experience from being at St Jean from Sep ‘14 to Dec ‘15 is that, yes, while there are ones who go to the MIR prematurely, the number is low. There is, however, a significant number of recruits who do whatever they possibly can to cover/endure an injury in order to avoid recourse. Everything from fractures to severe infections. I’ve witnessed this first-hand on more occasions than I care to admit and unfortunately, I’m included in that number.

The reasons are numerous and vary, but ultimately it comes down to being in the mindset of just wanting to get it done and get out.

I guess we've had alternate experience with the issue (I'm by no way discounting your own). 

While I'm no medical expert, speaking for myself (and other instructors maybe?) I think it's safe to say in a lot of cases we develop a sort of radar for this kind of stuff.  Yes that can be a dangerous mindset to have, with serious ramifications, but at the same time as a parent yourself I know you can tell when your kids are bullshitting you, yes?   Not to suggest recruits/students are kids but I've seen some seriously similar behavior.

Very common to see recruits too injured for PT miraculous healing after hours.


There's a chance this policy does more harm than good but I'm of the belief that this policy does the opposite.
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