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Re: Australian navy's hunt for new sub to replace Collins class
« Reply #100 on: July 05, 2016, 10:25:55 »
Face saving for the Japanese to blame a failure on China?

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Re: Australian navy's hunt for new sub to replace Collins class
« Reply #101 on: July 06, 2016, 17:36:36 »
China behind Australia's rejection of the Soryus?
Utter drivel.

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Re: Australian navy's hunt for new sub to replace Collins class
« Reply #102 on: October 02, 2016, 01:20:24 »
DCNS and Lockmart collaboration:

Defense News

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DCNS Satisfied With Australia's Pick of Lockheed for Sub Project
By: Pierre Tran, September 30, 2016
PARIS — DCNS has warmly greeted Australia’s signing of a design contract with the French naval shipbuilder and choice of Lockheed Martin for its partner on the Barracuda Shortfin 1A, a planned ocean-going attack submarine.

“DCNS welcomes the signature of the first operational contract for the Australian Future Submarine Program and the selection of Lockheed Martin as the program combat system integrator,” the French company said in a statement Thursday.

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Re: Australian navy's hunt for new sub to replace Collins class
« Reply #103 on: July 09, 2017, 15:09:13 »
RAN subs latest--note long lead time:

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Australian PM in France to launch 'most ambitious military project' in his country's history

Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull is in France on Sunday to announce work on a new fleet of French submarines that will form the centrepiece of Australia’s defence strategy for decades to come.

Australia selected French naval contractor DCNS, last month renamed Naval Group, in April 2016 to build a new fleet of 12 submarines. The French industrial group, which is 62 percent owned by the French state, beat out competitors in Japan and Germany, winning one of the world's most lucrative defence contracts.

"This is the largest and most ambitious military project in Australia’s history," Turnbull told reporters at a joint press briefing with French President Emmanuel Macron at the Elysée Palace in Paris on Saturday.

France said it was ready to do everything necessary to meet the requirements of the contract, the Sydney Morning Herald reported.

Naval Group was left fuming after details from more than 22,000 pages of documents relating to submarines it is building for India were published in The Australian newspaper, leading to concerns about its ability to protect sensitive data.

Australia's new submarine fleet is the focal point of its defence strategy unveiled in February 2016, which called for an increase in military spending of nearly AU$30 billion over the next 10 years to protect strategic and trade interests in the Asia-Pacific region.

The first submarines are expected to be ready by the early 2030s, with the the last ones finished by 2050 [emphasis added]. Following their conception in France, they will be principally constructed in Adelaide in southern Australia, which is home to Australia’s naval defence and the ASC shipbuilding organisation.

Building these submarines in Australia, along with the government's naval shipbuilding strategy, which begins with offshore patrol vessels and frigates, is estimated to create more than 5,000 jobs across Australia.

France and Australia formally signed the inter-governmental contract, worth A$50 billion, or €34 billion, last December [emphasis added].

The future submarines, called Shortfin Barracuda, are based on France’s Barrucuda submarines (99 metres long and weighing 4650 tons), which are nuclear attack subs. The Shortfin variant for the Australian Navy will see a conversion of the propulsion system to a conventional diesel electric bid equipped by Lockheed Martin, the combat systems integrator...
http://www.france24.com/en/20170709-australia-france-submarines-contract-defence

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Re: Australian navy's hunt for new sub to replace Collins class
« Reply #104 on: July 09, 2017, 18:23:03 »
http://gentleseas.blogspot.ca/2017/07/ex-pm-abbott-doubts-wisdom-of.html

I think a lot of these issues will arise with any Victoria class replacement, but how picky are we?


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Re: Australian navy's hunt for new sub to replace Collins class
« Reply #105 on: July 10, 2017, 10:37:36 »
The reality is there are no existing subs that meet our needs, so we will be in the same boat, we might as well get involved with the Aussie deal so we have a shoulder to cry on and they have as well.

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Re: Australian navy's hunt for new sub to replace Collins class
« Reply #106 on: July 10, 2017, 11:48:17 »
http://gentleseas.blogspot.ca/2017/07/ex-pm-abbott-doubts-wisdom-of.html

I think a lot of these issues will arise with any Victoria class replacement, but how picky are we?

Good link, this article on the pros and cons of various AIP systems is informative http://gentleseas.blogspot.ca/2014/08/air-independent-propulsion-aip.html


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Re: Australian navy's hunt for new sub to replace Collins class
« Reply #107 on: July 10, 2017, 14:18:31 »
Good link, this article on the pros and cons of various AIP systems is informative http://gentleseas.blogspot.ca/2014/08/air-independent-propulsion-aip.html

Colin, I think it's a good site, but I really don't have the expertise to question too much of what is discussed. It's not very pro AIP in general preferring a nuclear solution for Australia.

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Re: Australian navy's hunt for new sub to replace Collins class
« Reply #108 on: July 10, 2017, 14:26:45 »
The reality is there are no existing subs that meet our needs, so we will be in the same boat, we might as well get involved with the Aussie deal so we have a shoulder to cry on and they have as well.

There are pretty much the same options Australia had
Soryu
U-216/218
Walrus replacement sub
it would be nice to have a shared parts supply

or we could go nuclear through DCNS either the Brazilian scorpene derivative or the Barracuda 

I can see some significant teething issues in the Australian plan especially with regards to the propulsion

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Re: Australian navy's hunt for new sub to replace Collins class
« Reply #109 on: July 10, 2017, 14:47:22 »
Yes whichever one we go for, make sure we are not the only ones...