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Re: All About PAT (merged)
« Reply #150 on: May 04, 2016, 15:10:45 »
Got a question that you're afraid to ask online?  PM me!  I don't bite........

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Re: All About PAT (merged)
« Reply #151 on: May 04, 2016, 15:43:25 »
Why not submit an ILP and get funding for some distance university courses? If that is a route you ever want to take, it would be a great use of time.

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Re: All About PAT (merged)
« Reply #152 on: May 04, 2016, 18:52:35 »
Doent have to be just university...a guy in my last shop did some certified accounting courses
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Re: All About PAT (merged)
« Reply #153 on: May 04, 2016, 19:56:46 »
There are the Individual Battle Task Standard (IBTS) that are on DWAN - DLN.  Not exciting after doing them 10 times, but might be interesting for a new Avr who is seeing the material for the first time.  The ones online are: (read in Name / Individual Standards Level / Length of time qualification is good for)


CBRN Theory                   IS1   36 months
LOAC/Code of Conduct   IS3   24 months
The Use of Force           IS3   24 months
Apply Media Awareness   IS2   36 months
Recognize AFV and Aircraft   IS3   24 months
Negotiate and Investigate    IS1   24 months
Apply Stress Management   IS3   24 months
Apply Preventive Medicine   IS2   36 months
Information Security           IS2   24 months
Conduct after Capture        IS1   24 months

Enjoy...

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Re: All About PAT (merged)
« Reply #154 on: May 04, 2016, 21:43:11 »
Not something that will get you a MITE code on your MPRR, but there is also the RCAF Weather Handbook and workbook available.   ;D
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Re: All About PAT (merged)
« Reply #155 on: May 07, 2016, 07:43:57 »
Hi guys,

I'm leaving for pat platoon awaiting ql3 for combat engineer next week. I was told there were no joining instructions. I am driving myself in a pmov from Nfld to gagetown. I have no kit issued yet and it's been a couple years since I did bmq and bmq-l in the reserves. Now reg force.

What should I bring with me? Should I bother with much civilian clothes and such?

Thanks

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Re: All About PAT (merged)
« Reply #156 on: May 07, 2016, 08:33:23 »
Good morning. You will be on pat until you are course loaded for your ql3 course. I would bring enough civie clothes with you to wear until you get kitted. Usually within the first few days of being on pat. You will also need civie clothes for your locker inspections and layout. Civie shorts for pt, civie pt shirts, dress pants, and dress shirts. Other than that its really all you need layout wise.

Once you get on pat, everything will be explained to you as to what's happening, when the next courses are running etc

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Re: All About PAT (merged)
« Reply #157 on: May 07, 2016, 10:55:55 »
congrats on the position :) !
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Re: All About PAT (merged)
« Reply #158 on: May 08, 2016, 06:45:40 »
congrats on the position :) !

thanks i'm looking forward to it. Even better that I don't have to redo basic again and get to go directly to ql3. I've been curious. My VIE is four years. At the end of that do they reevaluate my work to decide whether or not to offer me another contract? Obviously I plan on being dedicated to the armed forces and doing my absolute best, just curious as to how often someone who wants to continue serving would get denied that option?

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Re: All About PAT (merged)
« Reply #159 on: May 08, 2016, 07:27:12 »
My VIE is four years. At the end of that do they reevaluate my work to decide whether or not to offer me another contract?

You can search the Terms of Service ( TOS ) discussions.

This is one of many,
http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,114939.msg1306987.html#msg1306987

See also,

TERMS of SERVICE

A TOS is a contract between a member and the Canadian Forces to provide military service until lawfully released.
The Canadian Forces offers its Regular Force members four different Terms of Service contracts.
1. Variable Initial Engagement Contract
When Regular Force members first join the Canadian Forces they sign an initial contract, which is
called the Variable Initial Engagement (VIE).
This contract can range in length from three to nine years not including subsidized training or
education. The length varies depending on the occupation, the needs of each occupation, and the
training time that is required for that occupation.
2. Indefinite Period of Service contract
After the Variable Initial Engagement has been completed, if members decide to continue their
military career they are provided with an Indefinite Period of Service contract or a Continuing
Engagement contract.
An Indefinite Period of Service (IPS) is a contract where service is extended until he/she is legally
released. (60th birthday).
3. Intermediate Engagement 25yr
An Intermediate Engagement 25 Year (IE25) is a fixed period of service in the Regular Force of 25
years of continuous service, followed by an IPS until he/she is legally released.
4. Continuing Engagement Contract
A Continuing Engagement (CE) refers to a fixed period of service of variable duration that can be
offered as an extension of any term of service until he/she is legally released.
https://www.familyforce.ca/sites/London/EN/Documents/CF-101%20for%20Civilians%20EN.pdf
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Re: All About PAT (merged)
« Reply #160 on: May 08, 2016, 08:47:13 »
You can search the Terms of Service ( TOS ) discussions.

This is one of many,
http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,114939.msg1306987.html#msg1306987

See also,

TERMS of SERVICE

A TOS is a contract between a member and the Canadian Forces to provide military service until lawfully released.
The Canadian Forces offers its Regular Force members four different Terms of Service contracts.
1. Variable Initial Engagement Contract
When Regular Force members first join the Canadian Forces they sign an initial contract, which is
called the Variable Initial Engagement (VIE).
This contract can range in length from three to nine years not including subsidized training or
education. The length varies depending on the occupation, the needs of each occupation, and the
training time that is required for that occupation.
2. Indefinite Period of Service contract
After the Variable Initial Engagement has been completed, if members decide to continue their
military career they are provided with an Indefinite Period of Service contract or a Continuing
Engagement contract.
An Indefinite Period of Service (IPS) is a contract where service is extended until he/she is legally
released. (60th birthday).
3. Intermediate Engagement 25yr
An Intermediate Engagement 25 Year (IE25) is a fixed period of service in the Regular Force of 25
years of continuous service, followed by an IPS until he/she is legally released.
4. Continuing Engagement Contract
A Continuing Engagement (CE) refers to a fixed period of service of variable duration that can be
offered as an extension of any term of service until he/she is legally released.
https://www.familyforce.ca/sites/London/EN/Documents/CF-101%20for%20Civilians%20EN.pdf

thanks

" 12 months prior to the VIE expiring, if the member is deemed suitable for further TOS,"

what makes a member deemed suitable? what kind of reasons would a member be considered unsuitable?

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Re: All About PAT (merged)
« Reply #161 on: May 08, 2016, 09:02:17 »
thanks

You are welcome. Good luck.  :)

what makes a member deemed suitable? what kind of reasons would a member be considered unsuitable?

Original Poster: Gsc023

Service Contracts
http://milnet.ca/forums/index.php/topic,122960.0.html
"what are the chances of not being offered another contract at the end of these four years? Or will I always have the option of staying in if I want to?"

Reply to Gsc023,

If you are not meeting your obligations and or subject to administrative measures (ie; less than a stellar performer or a discipline/administrative problem), your future Terms of Service are pretty much a given and come at regular intervals.

Do your job, do what is asked of you, put your best effort forward and go above and beyond when the opportunity presents itself and you'll have nothing to worry about.




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Re: All About PAT (merged)
« Reply #162 on: May 08, 2016, 21:49:55 »
Do I have to wait 12 months before my vie ends to sign a IE25. Or can I request to sign one once posted to a unit.

I would like to sign it asap if I could for a better sense of job security, and not to be left standing after four years of service.

Thanks

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Re: All About PAT (merged)
« Reply #163 on: May 08, 2016, 21:57:10 »
I understand that I would have to put every effort into my job in the forces. Which I plan on doing.

I'm just wondering if it is a common thing to see someone who wants to continue serving not receive a ce or ie25 offer?

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Re: All About PAT (merged)
« Reply #164 on: May 08, 2016, 22:03:51 »


I'm just wondering if it is a common thing to see someone who wants to continue serving not receive a ce or ie25 offer?

It is very very rare not to get an offer, haven't seen it yet and I deal in a ton of TOS offers.
Hope is not a valid COA

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Re: All About PAT (merged)
« Reply #165 on: May 08, 2016, 22:20:42 »
I'm just wondering if it is a common thing to see someone who wants to continue serving not receive a ce or ie25 offer?

Did you not read what DAA told you in the "Service Contracts" thread you started?

Original Poster: Gsc023

Service Contracts
http://milnet.ca/forums/index.php/topic,122960.0.html
"what are the chances of not being offered another contract at the end of these four years? Or will I always have the option of staying in if I want to?"

Reply to Gsc023,

Quote from: DAA on May 05, 2016, 14:41:26
If you are not meeting your obligations and or subject to administrative measures (ie; less than a stellar performer or a discipline/administrative problem), your future Terms of Service are pretty much a given and come at regular intervals.
Do your job, do what is asked of you, put your best effort forward and go above and beyond when the opportunity presents itself and you'll have nothing to worry about.


I am now 25 and want to do my full 25 years before.mandatory retirement,

Who told you retirement is mandatory after 25 years?

The good news for you is the Compulsory Retirement Age ( CRA ) is 60. 

Follow DAA's advice, and you can stay in for the whole ride.  :)
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Re: All About PAT (merged)
« Reply #166 on: May 09, 2016, 13:37:39 »
Did you not read what DAA told you in the "Service Contracts" thread you started?

Original Poster: Gsc023

Service Contracts
http://milnet.ca/forums/index.php/topic,122960.0.html
"what are the chances of not being offered another contract at the end of these four years? Or will I always have the option of staying in if I want to?"

Reply to Gsc023,

Quote from: DAA on May 05, 2016, 14:41:26
If you are not meeting your obligations and or subject to administrative measures (ie; less than a stellar performer or a discipline/administrative problem), your future Terms of Service are pretty much a given and come at regular intervals.
Do your job, do what is asked of you, put your best effort forward and go above and beyond when the opportunity presents itself and you'll have nothing to worry about.


Who told you retirement is mandatory after 25 years?

The good news for you is the Compulsory Retirement Age ( CRA ) is 60. 

Follow DAA's advice, and you can stay in for the whole ride.  :)

Yes I read what DAA said. I didn't have any trouble understanding that. I know that you "shouldn't" have anything to worry about if you go above and beyond etc.  My question was more relating to whether or not getting another offer was a competitive thing; based on a certain number of contracts per year or unit etc. Would I have to stand out above everyone else kind of thing just to stand a chance.

Thanks MJP for you response, its more along the lines of what I was looking for. I intend to be the best there can be if I can help it, I was just concerned about being able to have a sense of job security and not be left looking for another career after my VIE.

Mariomike - my recruiter actually told me the retirement age was 54, that is my misunderstanding I guess. 
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Re: All About PAT (merged)
« Reply #167 on: May 09, 2016, 13:46:33 »
Mariomike - my recruiter actually told me the retirement age was 54, that is my misunderstanding I guess.

Not to contradict what Recruiting told you, but there is a lot of discussion about Compulsory Retirement Age ( CRA 60 ) on here, if interested,
https://www.google.ca/search?q=site%3Aarmy.ca++cra&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-CA:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7GGHP_en-GBCA592&gfe_rd=cr&ei=acswV9mpFIiN8Qewy66gCw&gws_rd=ssl

As always,  Recruiting is your most trusted source of information.

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Re: All About PAT (merged)
« Reply #168 on: May 17, 2016, 12:27:53 »
On pat platoon, are you free to do as you wish evenings and weekends or are you told to stay on the base

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Re: All About PAT (merged)
« Reply #169 on: May 17, 2016, 12:49:38 »
On pat platoon, are you free to do as you wish evenings and weekends or are you told to stay on the base

"Is PAT Platoon like M-F 9-5? I'm asking that since I could possibly drive home on the weekends..."
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=99608.0

"PAT does get almost all of their weekends off, however most major holidays they work as duty platoon, like Easter/Thanksgiving/Canada Day.  PAT also has to have 24 hr firepicket and works 24 hours at the green desk during the week, as well as being tasked everywhere on base all week."
http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,79582.msg760551.html#msg760551

"My husband graduates BMQ this week and will be shipped off to Borden and put on a PAT platoon until his training starts (next training course starts on Sept 7th for Supply Techs).  I'm curious if he'll be able to get any kind of leave and if on his first weekend (he arrives on Friday) if he'll be permitted to come home this weekend."
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=93156.55;wap2

"Will I be able to see her after work during the week?  And maybe stay with her on weekends?"
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=25824.105;wap2

"Can you bugger-off on the weekends to do things or even during the weekday so long as your responsibilities with regards to living quarters and physical fitness are kept up?"
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=94005.20;wap2

"PAT platoon who basically had every evening and weekend to themselves."
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=79582.20;wap2

etc...
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Re: All About PAT (merged)
« Reply #170 on: May 17, 2016, 12:51:55 »
As with most things in the military, it depends.
In Borden, we were generally free to do as we wished in the evenings and weekends. However we couldn't go outside the geographic area (which for Borden was no further south than Vaughn Mills, and maybe Orillia in the North, Wasaga Beach in the west). I think it was 75 or 100km?
Same for weekends with no leave pass. If you wanted to go to Toronto you had to put in a leave pass with your location.

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Re: All About PAT (merged)
« Reply #171 on: March 17, 2017, 09:56:56 »
If I can give anyone advice while they are on Pat Platoon (coming from someone who left Bordens Pat Platoon to do OJE in my hometown thankfully), volunteer for whatever tasks are available, it makes Pat PL breeze by. There's nothing worse then sitting in front of a computer as a new member of the forces, with no actual task to do on the computer. You can only play so many games of solitaire and check your Facebook so often lol.
Get yourself out there, some of the tasks are actually fun  [:D

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Re: All About PAT (merged)
« Reply #172 on: June 20, 2017, 23:20:52 »
Random question...And I'm assuming the answer is yes, however having never been there I just have to ask and check. Is there a PAT Pl at CFB Shilo?
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Re: All About PAT (merged)
« Reply #173 on: February 09, 2018, 06:08:07 »
Hey, I have a questions as I have gotten different answers from
current members and also recruiting.

I ship off at the end of the month for basic and then after that I have to wait for my security clearance (I’m comms research) now will they ship me on PAT to the other side of the country or do they now take in to consideration about TD or something at your close to home base?

It would be nice to stay with my wife and kids and work at the local base (CFB Trenton) but if not that’s what it is.

Thanks in advance, if I should have posted in comms research please move.