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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1550 on: September 16, 2019, 23:45:25 »
Good catch!

Maybe they're the "rank subtitles" to translate his Canadian rank - in case they don't get that 2 leaves = 2 stars?  :whistle:

I think the Brits did (do?) that when working with US forces too. 
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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1551 on: September 17, 2019, 10:35:03 »
Nothing new in Combined Joint Ops...

#moveonnothingtoseehere

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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1552 on: September 17, 2019, 16:02:00 »
Why is it not everyone then?   Why not just go with the US equivalent ranks while deployed...wouldn't want anyone to be confused.

Canadian uniform should = Canadian rank.  I'm not a fan of the "I'm special!" Club...
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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1553 on: September 17, 2019, 16:37:43 »
From what I saw in coalition theatre it was not as much an I’m special as a WTF are you?  Just take a look at NATO rank insignia charts it’ll be evident that there could be confusion (look at Norway for example and see how a LCol could look like a MGen, etc.).  No doubt there is the spectrum of “Meh...” to “Preposterous!!!”

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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1554 on: September 17, 2019, 17:04:50 »
I don't disagree that there is a huge variance in equal ranks in coalitions, but my own time in the IMPACT theatre was spent on a coalition base as well with Canadian, US, Kuwait, British, Spanish, and other countries all occupying a (somewhat small) shared space.  None of the Canadian GOFOs (I served under several JTF-I Commanders), Senior Officers Task Force CWOs, etc sported non-Canadian ranks.

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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1555 on: September 17, 2019, 17:22:06 »
Nothing new in Combined Joint Ops...

#moveonnothingtoseehere

It just hurt my RCR eyes is all.

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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1556 on: September 17, 2019, 21:11:21 »

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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1557 on: September 18, 2019, 08:40:37 »
Nothing new in Combined Joint Ops...

#moveonnothingtoseehere
Just imagine if some people had nothing to whine about...   ;)

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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1558 on: September 18, 2019, 14:25:18 »
Just imagine if some people had nothing to whine about...   ;)

Just imagine if the CAF most senior leadership followed the orders, regs, policies they expect their subordinates to abide by and enforce... ;)

American ranks, sleeves neither rolled/not rolled up, GOFOs who aren't aircrew wearing flying suits (more so when there is a severe shortage), wearing berets vice wedge in No 1 order of dress...I could go on.  If all of these things are okay, make the changes in the Dress Instr's for the CAF.  Not just the I'm Special Club.
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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1559 on: September 18, 2019, 14:31:17 »
Do we know that MGen Fortin’s ‘stars’ aren’t covered in a relevant instruction (be it OP-specific, amendment to a Standing Order, etc.)? 

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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1560 on: September 18, 2019, 22:08:47 »
GOFOs who aren't aircrew wearing flying suits (more so when there is a severe shortage)

Wait what?
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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1561 on: September 19, 2019, 16:11:13 »
Wait what?

Hard to stop people when the example is being set at the top, isn't it?  It's even worse when there are known shortages and people who aren't even aircrew and are so far removed from a flight line are wearing them...."because".  It's hard to understand in your head why there are "no flight suits in the system" when you see all the office commando's and HCol's in them, and they're not wearing shabby, falling apart ones...meanwhile, some flyers don't have 2 good ones.  I've got nothing against HCol's but...they don't need flight suits, sorry.  CADPAT would do just fine.

If anyone is thinking "hey, maybe MGen Harris was in a flying position at one time...", you can read her service history here.   I don't see any indication she was ever badged as air or flight crew, and she doesn't wear the AWAC flight crew badge on her DEU.

Show up at the next parade in No 1 with a beret on...nothing should be said, right?  Because...https://ml-fd.caf-fac.ca/en/2018/09/19297

If there is a *rank and file people who are tired of the high paid help failing in their "lead by example" duties*...this should be moved to that thread. 
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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1562 on: October 19, 2019, 21:31:10 »
An update via the National Post ...
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... Since 2014, Canada and other allies have partnered with local groups like the Kurds to fight the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant. Canada began working to train and equip the Peshmerga in Iraq, while its fighter jets supported the YPG in Syria. Under the then-Conservative government, Canadian military aircraft carried equipment into Iraq, while private companies began exporting arms, mostly to the Peshmerga — nearly $2 million worth in 2015, and $1.3 million in 2016.

With the Liberals in power, that help ground to a halt, even as the Kurds were waging a costly fight against ISIL’s strongholds in the area. Trudeau immediately halted Canada’s bombing campaign in Syria. And while special forces had been training Kurdish fighters in Erbil, the Trudeau government put a halt to that mission in 2018 and diverted the resources towards the central Iraqi government in Baghdad.

North Eastern Arms, an Ontario-based rifle manufacturer, was one of the bigger exporters to the Kurds.

“We, under the Conservatives, shipped about 2,000 rifles over there,” said Jeff Hussey, former president of the company, which has since been acquired by a larger defence contractor.

Hussey said the Kurdish Regional Government in Iraq subsequently placed orders for 18,000 more rifles. But the new Liberal government required they get approval from both Kurdistan and Iraq — which he did. Hussey supplied to the National Post proof that both Erbil and Baghdad signed off on the deal, but he said that didn’t sway Ottawa. “They basically slow played us.”

In this case, and others, the Canadian government hasn’t explicitly denied the request for export permits, but it hasn’t approved them either.

A representative from a second arms company that had done business with the Iraqi Kurdish government confirmed similar problems with their export permits.

Global Affairs refused to comment on any aspect of these sales, writing in a statement that “permit applications, and decisions related to applications, are confidential. Global Affairs Canada does not release this type of information.”

The Canadian government also didn’t send the aid it had explicitly promised. In 2016, Defence Minister Harjit Singh Sajjan committed $9.5 million in military aid to Kurdistan, including rifles and mortars. The government procured the weapons, but they have sat in a Montreal warehouse ever since.

The Department of National Defence confirmed this week that the weapons haven’t moved, and it appears that won’t change.

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Hussey has largely given up on Canada. “We used to brag to the Americans and the British about how great Canada was to do business in,” he said, adding that the problem isn’t just with the Middle East. Ottawa also held up another $6 million contract with Guatemala, he said. The second defence contractor confirmed that Ottawa has held up or kiboshed several other deals.

Now, with an order for another 30,000 rifles and 150,000 pistols from the Kurds, Hussey says he’s moving the manufacturing to the U.S., where the State Department is more supportive of his deals.

“We were going to make them in Canada, but it’s just not worth the risk,” Hussey said, shrugging off the idea of getting the Liberals to change their mind on these exports.

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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1563 on: October 19, 2019, 23:02:05 »
I don't disagree that there is a huge variance in equal ranks in coalitions, but my own time in the IMPACT theatre was spent on a coalition base as well with Canadian, US, Kuwait, British, Spanish, and other countries all occupying a (somewhat small) shared space.  None of the Canadian GOFOs (I served under several JTF-I Commanders), Senior Officers Task Force CWOs, etc sported non-Canadian ranks.

The stars are not for the other members of the coalition, or those who command ops in Iraq from Kuwait.  They do however matter to the Iraqis, which is where the actual operations occur.
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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1564 on: October 20, 2019, 21:51:06 »
The stars are not for the other members of the coalition, or those who command ops in Iraq from Kuwait.  They do however matter to the Iraqis, which is where the actual operations occur.

Is there a reason that not all CAF Generals do this then that are deployed to Impact?  Is it because the MGen is with the NATO mission specifically vice the JTF?
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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1565 on: October 21, 2019, 06:03:39 »
From what I have seen, some do it, and some do not.  The Brits are the same way.  I sense that the decision NOT to wear US rank is a personal one, or rooted in a statement that this position is definitely Canadian (ie not American). 
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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1566 on: October 21, 2019, 15:04:20 »
Copy that.  You'd almost think you were well within your lane on this specific topic. 






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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1567 on: November 07, 2019, 22:14:12 »
New NATO mission boss coming around month's end -- this update via Kuwaiti media ....
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(MENAFN* - Kuwait News Agency (KUNA)) BRUSSELS, Nov 7 (KUNA) -- One of the main objectives of NATO's training mission in Iraq is to establish a long-term partnership with the Arab country, according to Major General Dany Fortin, outgoing Commander of the NATO Mission Iraq.

Addressing a press conference at NATO headquarters Thursday, he said setting the conditions for long-term partnership between NATO and Iraq is considered to be among the successes of the mission in Iraq launched in October 2018.

"NATO is here to stay not necessarily physically with people day and day out. We want to establish this partnership that will allow Iraq to benefit from what NATO has to offer," said the NATO General.

Commenting on the current turmoil and protests in Iraq, he clarified that "we are not involved in providing advice on the current ongoing domestic issues."

"Our activities continue. We have continued our training in school in Baghdad and that has not effected our activities," he said, but added that "someactivities have been curtailed temporarily so that we do not put the NATO men and women in Iraq in areas or routes that are being used for protests or security forces."

"We want to stay clear of that," he stressed.

Fortin, who hails from Canada, said the NATO mission in Iraq is a non-combat training and capacity building mission that works primarily with the Ministry of Defence on security sector reform, institutionalbuilding,strengtheningtheprofessionalmilitary education system and Iraqi military school.

"We are putting a lot of energy on making sure that together we establish mechanisms to make Iraq into a helpful partner in the region. They can participate in NATO exercises, conferences and activities in the region. We are giving them advice on how to do this," he said.
The mission has about 500 hundred military and civilian trainers, advisers and support staff from NATO countries and some non-NATO countries.

However, the NATO commander did not say how long the NATO mission will last and how many Iraqi security forces have been trained till now.

"The operational capability of the armed forces must become the measure for success, not numbers," he said.

Fortin noted that he was in Brussels to provide the NATO leadership with an update on the Iraq mission and that he will transfer the command to his successor at the end of the month. (end)
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