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Re: BMOQ 2015 to current - Reserve [Merged]
« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2016, 15:01:56 »
Or we will leave it as it is and only those who can do the whole crse will attend, as they did in the past with the (PRes) ROUTP and later RESO entry plans.  Those PRes who will not be able to do so, will be given a "watered down" modular entry plan; and the end product will be lesser than the "full-time entry plan".  The full-time crse will be catering primarily to the university students, and the modular crses will be catering to persons who have full time civilian careers.
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Re: BMOQ 2015 to current - Reserve [Merged]
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2016, 17:06:31 »
Thanks for the prompt replies.

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Re: BMOQ 2015 to current - Reserve [Merged]
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2017, 11:50:21 »
Any news on BMOQ(Army)?  Any changes?
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Re: BMOQ 2015 to current - Reserve [Merged]
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2017, 14:47:41 »
One more modularized BMOQ-A will be run, probably at 5 Div TC, then it will be only 55-day demodularized courses from then on. With less than 1% of candidates starting BMOQ-A using the mod system, and less than half that number successfully completing training, it made no sense to carry on with the modularized version of BMOQ-A.
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Re: BMOQ 2015 to current - Reserve [Merged]
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2017, 23:13:17 »
I would be curious to see the stats on reservists taking the course?

I assume (a problem in and of itself  :P) that the 1% stat you threw out was for both reg and reserve. If we look at only reserve candidates, what is the percentage that opted for the mod based version?

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Re: BMOQ 2015 to current - Reserve [Merged]
« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2017, 17:08:43 »
I would be curious to see the stats on reservists taking the course?

I assume (a problem in and of itself  :P) that the 1% stat you threw out was for both reg and reserve. If we look at only reserve candidates, what is the percentage that opted for the mod based version?


I have heard that number quoted before, and while not completely off the mark, I haven't seen it anywhere officially.  I can tell you that purely on the basis of the officers my unit has sent (to say nothing of the other 54 PRes Infantry units), it would have to be more than 1%.  I would say that 1/3-1/2 of the officers that have come through my unit over the last decade have attempted modular training in one form or another. 

The Infantry School does issue a Commandant's report on BMOQ-A and DP 1.1 every year, and you can find the completion stats for individual courses there broken out by RegF and PRes.

The real question to ask is the number of officers who have reached DP1 one mod at a time, and I am sure that those numbers are very low.  In fact, I would not be surprised if it was 0.  The reality is that the while there are around 309 PRes Infantry Officers occupying 315 unit level Lt/Capt positions across the branch, only 66 of those are DP1 qualified, meaning that only 21% of our establishment (or 22% of PML) positions are occupied by trained pers. 

This has a variety of implications to include impacting our ability to support the critical IT which sustains the PRes,  limiting the scale and scope of PRes CT, and restricting our ability to force generate for domestic and expeditionary operations. 

While there is an establishment issue here (ie we shouldn't have to hire OCdts against Lt/Capt positions), there is still clearly a significant training backlog composed primarily of members who can't commit to the RegF courses. This is why I think you will see a push towards tailored PRes training, rather than RegF courses modularized for the PRes. 




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Re: BMOQ 2015 to current - Reserve [Merged]
« Reply #31 on: February 27, 2017, 17:32:48 »
I'd argue that the fundamental establishment issue is the existence of so many units, all striving unsuccessfully to push out a LCol and CWO every three years.  Slow that churn through a radical restructure and the pressures are alleviated somewhat.

Of course, do that and then a collection of rump platoons will claim that their heritage is being diminished...
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Re: BMOQ 2015 to current - Reserve [Merged]
« Reply #32 on: February 27, 2017, 22:20:36 »

...The real question to ask is the number of officers who have reached DP1 one mod at a time, and I am sure that those numbers are very low.  In fact, I would not be surprised if it was 0.  The reality is that the while there are around 309 PRes Infantry Officers occupying 315 unit level Lt/Capt positions across the branch, only 66 of those are DP1 qualified, meaning that only 21% of our establishment (or 22% of PML) positions are occupied by trained pers. 
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While there is an establishment issue here (ie we shouldn't have to hire OCdts against Lt/Capt positions), there is still clearly a significant training backlog composed primarily of members who can't commit to the RegF courses. This is why I think you will see a push towards tailored PRes training, rather than RegF courses modularized for the PRes.

Do you know if there is a public report available which states the number of PRes officers at each PRes Regiment? And if so, the number of unfilled roles?

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Re: BMOQ 2015 to current - Reserve [Merged]
« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2017, 14:20:34 »
I'd argue that the fundamental establishment issue is the existence of so many units, all striving unsuccessfully to push out a LCol and CWO every three years.  Slow that churn through a radical restructure and the pressures are alleviated somewhat.

Of course, do that and then a collection of rump platoons will claim that their heritage is being diminished...

There are lots of good reasons for a re-alignment.  While trying to avoid turning this into the PRes roles and missions thread, I have always thought that it would be possible to re-align the structure while keeping the hat badges and traditions, but when every change initiative starts with the assumption that no units will be amalgamated or zero manned, it is hard to move forward.

I certainly think such a structure change would take some pressure off, but I think that the "shop floor" benefit would be limited because the people who are being squeezed up the chain aren't suited to stay at the lower levels anyway.  For the most part we are still talking about officers and senior NCMs with 20+ years of service over the age of 40.  If they were in the RegF, those people wouldn't be directly supporting IT or commanding platoons in CT either.   Absent a BTL, we have a structural barrier preventing us from filling our establishment positions with trained, effective pers.  When you couple that with significant training barriers (at all levels), it is not a recipe for success.  Overall, and to your point in a round about way, I think that there is a general lack of focused institutional effort in keeping the bottom half of the pyramid (Ptes, MCpls, and Lts) healthy.

Part of the issue (even for the university student officer target audience) is that the RegF courses have also become less accessible over time due to sequencing issues, and growing course lengths.  For example, in the manner in which the RESO system was structured when I went through, it used to be possible for PRes officers to complete basic officer training and what was then phase 2 in the same summer.  However, when basic officer training was downloaded to the CBGs, that path was lost because no single CBG would have the critical mass to run a tailored course just for the officers.  Little changes like that accumulate over time to put us into the situation we are in today.

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Re: BMOQ 2015 to current - Reserve [Merged]
« Reply #34 on: February 28, 2017, 14:40:41 »
Do you know if there is a public report available which states the number of PRes officers at each PRes Regiment? And if so, the number of unfilled roles?

The numbers I provided in my article (insert shameless self-promotion caveat here) on Reserve Infantry Officer training in the Infantry Bulletin on junior officers health in PRes infantry units generally is from an official source, as at the date I specified. 

That article is accessible at:
http://www.ducimus.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Infantry-Corps-Newsletter-Volume-2-Issue-2-final.pdf

I don't think you would find any publicly accessible source for per-unit manning and vacancies, and the raw information would be of little use lacking the context of the pers management within that unit. With an understanding of who you are and the context of the request, I might be able to provide some further info by PM. 

There was an appendix in the 2016 Auditor General's Report on the Army Reserve that you might find useful specifying individual unit strengths as a percentage of ideal unit size which would give you a general (if incomplete) idea of the health of a PRes unit, keeping in mind that this data is just a snapshot in time.  To provide a bit of context, a unit that manned at say 70% wouldn't necessarily be able to hire new soldiers or officers off the street if their shortages are at the Sgt-WO or Capt-Maj levels. 
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Re: BMOQ 2015 to current - Reserve [Merged]
« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2017, 15:06:40 »
There are lots of good reasons for a re-alignment.  While trying to avoid turning this into the PRes roles and missions thread, I have always thought that it would be possible to re-align the structure while keeping the hat badges and traditions, but when every change initiative starts with the assumption that no units will be amalgamated or zero manned, it is hard to move forward.

I certainly think such a structure change would take some pressure off, but I think that the "shop floor" benefit would be limited because the people who are being squeezed up the chain aren't suited to stay at the lower levels anyway.  For the most part we are still talking about officers and senior NCMs with 20+ years of service over the age of 40.  If they were in the RegF, those people wouldn't be directly supporting IT or commanding platoons in CT either.   Absent a BTL, we have a structural barrier preventing us from filling our establishment positions with trained, effective pers.  When you couple that with significant training barriers (at all levels), it is not a recipe for success.  Overall, and to your point in a round about way, I think that there is a general lack of focused institutional effort in keeping the bottom half of the pyramid (Ptes, MCpls, and Lts) healthy.

Part of the issue (even for the university student officer target audience) is that the RegF courses have also become less accessible over time due to sequencing issues, and growing course lengths.  For example, in the manner in which the RESO system was structured when I went through, it used to be possible for PRes officers to complete basic officer training and what was then phase 2 in the same summer.  However, when basic officer training was downloaded to the CBGs, that path was lost because no single CBG would have the critical mass to run a tailored course just for the officers.  Little changes like that accumulate over time to put us into the situation we are in today.

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Re: BMOQ 2015 to current - Reserve [Merged]
« Reply #36 on: February 28, 2017, 17:00:16 »
I think the modular system causes a lot of obstacles for the students and staff alike.  Removing the modular system will cause a few less members to be qualified but I think it will improve the quality of the students.
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Re: BMOQ 2015 to current - Reserve [Merged]
« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2017, 21:07:11 »
The numbers I provided in my article (insert shameless self-promotion caveat here) on Reserve Infantry Officer training in the Infantry Bulletin on junior officers health in PRes infantry units generally is from an official source, as at the date I specified. 

That article is accessible at:
http://www.ducimus.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Infantry-Corps-Newsletter-Volume-2-Issue-2-final.pdf

I don't think you would find any publicly accessible source for per-unit manning and vacancies, and the raw information would be of little use lacking the context of the pers management within that unit. With an understanding of who you are and the context of the request, I might be able to provide some further info by PM. 

There was an appendix in the 2016 Auditor General's Report on the Army Reserve that you might find useful specifying individual unit strengths as a percentage of ideal unit size which would give you a general (if incomplete) idea of the health of a PRes unit, keeping in mind that this data is just a snapshot in time.  To provide a bit of context, a unit that manned at say 70% wouldn't necessarily be able to hire new soldiers or officers off the street if their shortages are at the Sgt-WO or Capt-Maj levels. 
http://www.oag-bvg.gc.ca/internet/English/parl_oag_201602_05_e_41249.html#appa

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Re: BMOQ 2015 to current - Reserve [Merged]
« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2017, 20:42:22 »
I would be curious to see the stats on reservists taking the course?

I assume (a problem in and of itself  :P) that the 1% stat you threw out was for both reg and reserve. If we look at only reserve candidates, what is the percentage that opted for the mod based version?

Reg Force candidates do not and cannot do BMOQ-A by mods. Again, of all reservists who have done BMOQ-A (and it's predecessors) since 2010, less than 1% have attempted to do the course by mods and, of those, less than half completed all five mods.
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Re: BMOQ 2015 to current - Reserve [Merged]
« Reply #39 on: March 02, 2017, 23:26:13 »
Reg Force candidates do not and cannot do BMOQ-A by mods. Again, of all reservists who have done BMOQ-A (and it's predecessors) since 2010, less than 1% have attempted to do the course by mods and, of those, less than half completed all five mods.

If a Reg force member fails they are not slotted back onto the mod they failed to complete (assuming they get another go)? They have to start at the beginning again?

Thanks for the info though everyone!

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Re: BMOQ 2015 to current - Reserve [Merged]
« Reply #40 on: April 24, 2017, 21:45:35 »
I am wondering if someone knows of the upcoming dates for BMOQ-L (aka CAP), this summer/fall/winter?  I am PRes and there are a couple other officers at my unit looking for the dates, but cannot seem to track anything down. Are modules still an option? My unit has been unable to find that answer out as well, but most are saying 'yes', but cannot confirm this. From reading other threads, seems to be a mix of yes you can still do the mods, or no you cannot do the mods.

Greatly appreciated!

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Re: BMOQ 2015 to current - Reserve [Merged]
« Reply #41 on: April 24, 2017, 22:08:13 »
I am wondering if someone knows of the upcoming dates for BMOQ-L (aka CAP), this summer/fall/winter?  I am PRes and there are a couple other officers at my unit looking for the dates, but cannot seem to track anything down. Are modules still an option? My unit has been unable to find that answer out as well, but most are saying 'yes', but cannot confirm this. From reading other threads, seems to be a mix of yes you can still do the mods, or no you cannot do the mods.

Greatly appreciated!
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Re: BMOQ 2015 to current - Reserve [Merged]
« Reply #42 on: April 24, 2017, 22:36:18 »
That is what I was thinking!

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Re: BMOQ 2015 to current - Reserve [Merged]
« Reply #43 on: May 06, 2017, 08:29:32 »
The information I have from my reserve unit is that there is a serial starting 5 June in Aldershot. This is the last mod one to run. It is intended to include those who have already completed some mods, to give them a chance to complete the course.

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Re: BMOQ 2015 to current - Reserve [Merged]
« Reply #44 on: March 04, 2018, 17:32:36 »
Hi people! Writing from Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada. I applied for a part time officier position in the reserve since I am at the university for the next 4 years.

I haven't been enrolled yet, but I am waiting for a confirmation really soon. If everything works out, I should start the training for officiers this summer (June 2018). I have some questions on this regard, since I am not really sure about what to expect. I will try to make my questions a bit general, so it will serve other people as well.

1. I am a woman in her mid 20s. Should I expect sexual harassment once at the camp during summer? Can the instructors be trusted on this issue? (Abuse of power.) Are the male recruits generally respectful towards women or is it going to be really bad? I have a strong character and I know I have what it takes to go in the army; I am just looking for feedbacks.

2. I passed the 3 tests (writing, medical, physical). But there has been no requirement for a drug test (no blood test, no pee test). I was very surprised by that. Is there any of those tests during the BMOQ? Should I expect to have one right at the beginning at my arrival? How does this work? I know they say it is random, but so far I got so many different answers from different people that I would like to know your point of view on this. Is there or is there not a drug test during the camp? Should I expect blood, pee or hair test?

3. Can you ask for a transfer within the forces once you have been trained? Let's say I would like to change the type of job I have after 3 years, is that something that can be done?

4. I know my physical condition is good, but I am not a hero (haha). I can run 5k in 27 minutes (normal pace, I could definitively run it a bit faster than that). Am I then considered as a loser, last girl at the finish line and lazy or is that pace decent for now? (Since I didn't have my training yet.) And for the push-ups, I am definitively a loser, I know, I know. Do you have any recommendation for me? I have a bit more than 2 months in front of me, so if I should make sure to achieve something in particular before my arrival at the camp, I would like to know.

5. I am a very smart girl, therefore I often ask questions (but never in an arrogant way or to defy authority, always from genuine curiosity or interest). Should I learn to not ask any questions? How silent should I make sure I am? I wanna make a good impression and I know I have good attitude. Any advice would be appreciated.

6. Have anyone ever experienced betrayal from a former recruit or collegue during camp? I know we are all stuck together and everything so, I am wondering if assholes are shamed for their actions or if most people stay silent in front of abuse (coming from peers).

7. Can anybody talk to me about the food? How often in a day do you have access to food? Can you have snacks? Is the food good and fresh? I am addicted to food. Eating is my favorite activity. Staying away from food for too long is almost stressing me more than rapists. Almost.

So well. I think it is enough for today. Thank you in advance for your replies!

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Re: BMOQ 2015 to current - Reserve [Merged]
« Reply #45 on: March 04, 2018, 19:29:52 »
These discussions may be of interest to you,

I am a woman in her mid 20s. Should I expect sexual harassment once at the camp during summer? Can the instructors be trusted on this issue? (Abuse of power.) Are the male recruits generally respectful towards women or is it going to be really bad? I have a strong character and I know I have what it takes to go in the army; I am just looking for feedbacks.

Sexual Assault & Sexual Misconduct in the CF 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=478.1200
49 pages.

I passed the 3 tests (writing, medical, physical). But there has been no requirement for a drug test (no blood test, no pee test). I was very surprised by that. Is there any of those tests during the BMOQ? Should I expect to have one right at the beginning at my arrival? How does this work? I know they say it is random, but so far I got so many different answers from different people that I would like to know your point of view on this. Is there or is there not a drug test during the camp? Should I expect blood, pee or hair test?

drug testing in the CF
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=16153.650
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Random Drug testing 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=125666.0

Can you ask for a transfer within the forces once you have been trained? Let's say I would like to change the type of job I have after 3 years, is that something that can be done?

Voluntary Occupational Transfer ( VOT )
https://milnet.ca/forums/index.php/topic,21109.0.html
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I know my physical condition is good, but I am not a hero (haha). I can run 5k in 27 minutes (normal pace, I could definitively run it a bit faster than that). Am I then considered as a loser, last girl at the finish line and lazy or is that pace decent for now? (Since I didn't have my training yet.) And for the push-ups, I am definitively a loser, I know, I know. Do you have any recommendation for me? I have a bit more than 2 months in front of me, so if I should make sure to achieve something in particular before my arrival at the camp, I would like to know.

Physical Fitness (Jogging, Diet, Cardiovascular, and Strength )
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=23364.0
26 pages.

Can anybody talk to me about the food? How often in a day do you have access to food? Can you have snacks? Is the food good and fresh? I am addicted to food. Eating is my favorite activity. Staying away from food for too long is almost stressing me more than rapists. Almost.

Food
https://www.google.ca/search?rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-CA%3AIE-Address&rlz=1I7GGHP_en-GBCA592&dcr=0&ei=QY-cWrDaDuSMtgXXz5ewBg&q=site%3Aarmy.ca+food&oq=site%3Aarmy.ca+food&gs_l=psy-ab.3...3363.6218.0.6579.9.9.0.0.0.0.92.640.9.9.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.bMfvNzqy3Vw
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BMQ and Officer courses schedule 2018 and 2019 for reservists
« Reply #46 on: October 08, 2018, 09:28:49 »
Anyone know when the next basic and officer courses will be happening in Meaford or Borden?  I mean for reservists. I was told the officer courses don’t always get offered in Ontario. But that there may be one in Meaford soon. Traveling outside of province will be hard for me so I’m hoping I can negotiate doing my courses near toronto.

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Re: BMOQ - Reserve ( merged )
« Reply #47 on: October 12, 2018, 07:29:16 »
I only applied as infantry officer, and was told that I should be getting my offer soon :) does anyone know if there’s a BMOQ in November?

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Re: BMOQ - Reserve ( merged )
« Reply #48 on: October 26, 2018, 10:39:52 »
does anyone know if there’s a BMOQ in November?

Where are you from? I'm from the Montreal Area, the closest BMQ (Reserve officers don't do BMOQ) is January 11th.
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