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Re: Hearing talk that Salt and Peppers are leaving too
« Reply #100 on: June 17, 2015, 20:26:33 »
This is the plan for Formation Halifax as far as I know. Who won't wear it, I don't know. It does seem a little odd though as it is not cost prohibitive and we just had issues last year changing people tiers for clothing points-essentially getting people out of NCDs if it was not a requirement of their job-now full reversal. I don't know what to say.

Keep in mind, the coverall thing is a completely separate issue. I have already been told that it probably wont fly.

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Re: Hearing talk that Salt and Peppers are leaving too
« Reply #101 on: June 17, 2015, 20:37:21 »
The proposal is to adopt (Ship board only) for at-sea and alongside wear while employed within the MSE department, the US Naval pattern Flame Resistant Coveralls: (http://www.public.navy.mil/usff/Pages/frv.aspx). The optimal wear duration of 18-24 months is comparable to NCDs but the fact that this example is being massed produced for wear by all USN sailors means that the cost savings would likely be substantial if we were to ‘jump on the bandwagon’ in this procurement.  Ease of dressing and comfort for long term wear are touted as two examples of the further benefits these would afford.

We would not jump on the bandwagon, as Canadian procurement rules are clear: we will only by clothing items from Canadian suppliers.  Whoever the Good Idea fairy is needs to find a procuremetn specialist (I'd suggest contacting the folks running the NICE project) to get themselves informed about the rules before they start down a long and winding dead end.
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Re: Hearing talk that Salt and Peppers are leaving too
« Reply #102 on: June 17, 2015, 20:44:21 »
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Re: Hearing talk that Salt and Peppers are leaving too
« Reply #103 on: June 17, 2015, 20:55:58 »
This is the plan for Formation Halifax as far as I know. Who won't wear it, I don't know. It does seem a little odd though as it is not cost prohibitive and we just had issues last year changing people tiers for clothing points-essentially getting people out of NCDs if it was not a requirement of their job-now full reversal. I don't know what to say.

Keep in mind, the coverall thing is a completely separate issue. I have already been told that it probably wont fly.

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A couple of us had the West Coast Chief network investigate because they had not heard a thing about this initiative. Which says to me it is a MARLANT thing only (so far).
They came back saying there is some truth to this. But then a C1 came back and said there is no truth to this rumour and he wondered aloud at how some things like this get started.
(I'm worried about just how adamant he is; makes me think it's a sure thing.) >:(

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Re: Hearing talk that Salt and Peppers are leaving too
« Reply #104 on: June 17, 2015, 21:14:46 »
But you heard that to preserve heritage they're going to put the curl on the sleeves of the NCD, right?

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Re: Hearing talk that Salt and Peppers are leaving too
« Reply #105 on: June 18, 2015, 04:31:43 »
Again, this is MARLANT ONLY.
I'd be curious who the west coast C1 is. The Fleet Chief here is also currently A/Formation as well. I can tell you it is NOT rumour HERE. I am 4 cubicles down from the Fleet Chief's office and like it or not, agree with it or not, cost effective or not, it is indeed a fact. If you look closely you will be seeing more and more people especially in the dockyard, in NCDs.

And dap, I would be one of those "Good idea fairies" as I am one of the reviewers of said BN. Good point though, I do know someone quite well with NICE-I don't know why I didn't think about that earlier on....oh, and we have 'jumped on the bandwagon' in the past so there is some precedence.
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Re: Hearing talk that Salt and Peppers are leaving too
« Reply #106 on: June 18, 2015, 05:23:38 »
And dap, I would be one of those "Good idea fairies" as I am one of the reviewers of said BN. Good point though, I do know someone quite well with NICE-I don't know why I didn't think about that earlier on....oh, and we have 'jumped on the bandwagon' in the past so there is some precedence.

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.  Like it or not, procurement is not as simple as finding the best price and then simply saying "buy that."  There are is a plethora of rules, regulations and international agreements involved.  Whether the rules need to be as complicated as they are is another debate, but the fact is, they are and they need to be followed (unless you WANT to go to jail).  Do folks realize that even just talking to a supplier can lead the Department into a legally binding contract?  And if you don't have contracting authority, you can get yourself into big trouble.  Procurement is best left to the professionals.

What I find mind-boggling in all of this is that if everyone in the Navy starts wearing NCDs all the time, costs are going to skyrocket.  It will make the cost of the Executive Curl look like chump change.  Frankly, we should be looking at every job in the CF and asking whether they really need to be wearing anything other than service dress. 
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Re: Hearing talk that Salt and Peppers are leaving too
« Reply #107 on: June 18, 2015, 10:25:43 »
This created some interesting conflicts within some Army commands with attached Navy personelle.  LFCA Comd would have none of it at the time and all navy pers were required to draw and wear CADPAT every day despite the msg and the navy pers respectful protestations and waiving of the CANFORGEN.

Those people should read Chap 1 Para 8 (going from memory...) of the Dress Instructions then.  8)
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Re: Hearing talk that Salt and Peppers are leaving too
« Reply #108 on: June 20, 2015, 04:37:58 »
If nothing else, it would appear I clarified the question in the thread title anyway!!!

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Re: Hearing talk that Salt and Peppers are leaving too
« Reply #109 on: June 26, 2015, 17:15:06 »
I was talking to the MARPAC UCPO today. He flat out stated that this proposal is not being implemented. End of story.


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Re: Hearing talk that Salt and Peppers are leaving too
« Reply #110 on: June 26, 2015, 19:09:38 »
As much as these stories ever end...