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Re: New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy
« Reply #2350 on: August 18, 2018, 06:03:54 »
To be fair, it does happen...

I wouldn't instantly flame the yard...just make sure they are aware of the problem, fix it, and make the necessary changes so it's fixed in the future also.

Very reasonable & sensible reply.

I worked once in a nuclear plant at the time of refueling, the condenser had to be reworked (where pure water cools the radioactive steam circuit).

There were hundreds of welds and of course a few of them came out wrong. The matter is to ensure by different means (including X-rays) that each and every weld is ammended and perfectly seals the two elements. Then the work can go on to next step.

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Re: New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy
« Reply #2351 on: August 18, 2018, 09:46:42 »
Indeed.  That's the purpose of a QA system within a production framework.  The fact that it appears as though the flaws were identical across hull numbers and that the welding process/equipment involved was identified and replaced means the systems is working.  I say good on VSI for not shying away from acknowledging the issue and addressing what's being done to resolve the issue and prevent its occurrence in the future.

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Re: New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy
« Reply #2352 on: August 18, 2018, 20:51:54 »
Indeed.  That's the purpose of a QA system within a production framework.  The fact that it appears as though the flaws were identical across hull numbers and that the welding process/equipment involved was identified and replaced means the systems is working.  I say good on VSI for not shying away from acknowledging the issue and addressing what's being done to resolve the issue and prevent its occurrence in the future.

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Fully agree.  Far worse that bad welds get past QA and leads to all the problems that might cause.

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Re: New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy
« Reply #2353 on: August 19, 2018, 12:25:20 »
Fully agree.  Far worse that bad welds get past QA and leads to all the problems that might cause.

Quality is all about leadership, of course:

"The aim of leadership should be to improve the performance of man and machine, to improve quality, to increase output, and simultaneously to bring pride of workmanship to people. Put in a negative way, the aim of leadership is not merely to find and record failures of men, but to remove the causes of failure: to help people to do a better job with less effort.”

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Re: New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy
« Reply #2354 on: August 19, 2018, 19:29:22 »
Quality is all about leadership, of course:

"The aim of leadership should be to improve the performance of man and machine, to improve quality, to increase output, and simultaneously to bring pride of workmanship to people. Put in a negative way, the aim of leadership is not merely to find and record failures of men, but to remove the causes of failure: to help people to do a better job with less effort.”

W. Edwards Deming

Nice touch, daftandbarmy.

I had to study  In Search of Excellence too, when I was doing my graduate diploma in administration. So you and I both know that Deming is not using the word leadership to denote the activity of guiding and motivating others (as we would use it in the military) but as noun to designate the upper management of a company as an identified group of people. Basically he is saying that constantly improving quality of the product is the main task of the upper management of a company. He had studied the Japanese post war corporate world after all.  ;) 

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Re: New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy
« Reply #2355 on: August 19, 2018, 20:33:51 »
Nice touch, daftandbarmy.

I had to study  In Search of Excellence too, when I was doing my graduate diploma in administration. So you and I both know that Deming is not using the word leadership to denote the activity of guiding and motivating others (as we would use it in the military) but as noun to designate the upper management of a company as an identified group of people. Basically he is saying that constantly improving quality of the product is the main task of the upper management of a company. He had studied the Japanese post war corporate world after all.  ;)

Yup. He also said:

'Under no circumstances should we export North American management styles to a friendly country.'

Which is right on the nose with respect to what it takes to properly manage systems and processes to ensure high quality products and services.
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Re: New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy
« Reply #2356 on: August 19, 2018, 20:49:37 »
Still slightly :off topic:

It's rather a pity, in a way, that the Asians, especially the Japanese and Koreans read and listened to Deming in the 1960s while American industrial "leaders" decided, in the 1950s, to ignore him and go with concepts like Planned Obsolescence instead.

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Re: New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy
« Reply #2357 on: Yesterday at 12:43:59 »
America followed the example of the Paris Salons - new fashions for every season.

The personal computing market seems to have followed the same trend as well.  Why create something that won't breakdown for 10 years if the technology is going to be obsolete in 6 months?

Makes you wonder about building ships and aircraft for 40 years ......
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Re: New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy
« Reply #2358 on: Yesterday at 16:53:40 »
America followed the example of the Paris Salons - new fashions for every season.

The personal computing market seems to have followed the same trend as well.  Why create something that won't breakdown for 10 years if the technology is going to be obsolete in 6 months?

Makes you wonder about building ships and aircraft for 40 years ......

Never thought of that before, thanks.

SHouldnt it be written in (maybe in the 'shakeup' coming up) that after every 3 CSCs Irving builds, that there be a new 'Flight' or 'MK' made? What good is it to build a 2025-era CSC for $2Billion or whatever in 2040 if its using 15-20 year old tech?

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Re: New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy
« Reply #2359 on: Yesterday at 17:18:57 »
SHouldnt it be written in (maybe in the 'shakeup' coming up) that after every 3 CSCs Irving builds, that there be a new 'Flight' or 'MK' made?
Yes.  I think it might be five blocks of three—somewhat similar to what was done with the St. Laurent, Restigouche, Mackenzie, and Annapolis-class ships.  I think it might be five classes of ships having a common hull and propulsion machinery. 

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Re: New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy
« Reply #2360 on: Yesterday at 21:42:52 »
Basically he is saying that constantly improving quality of the product is the main task of the upper management of a company. He had studied the Japanese post war corporate world after all.  ;)

It’s “Kaizen” that you’re referring to.  Something that when I worked in Boston for a large US firm back in the late 90’s was all the rage. ‘Small, constant change for the good.’  Something that I tell my kids to focus on - try for constant small improvements.

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Re: New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy
« Reply #2361 on: Today at 00:26:18 »
Kaizen having been learnt by the Japanese from the Americans Deming and Shewhart and then sold back to the Americans by Americans who went to Japan to learn how to build cars the American way.

Thus demonstrating both that nothing gets forgotten and everything gets forgotten.
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