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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #250 on: November 25, 2015, 06:02:46 »
Amen. If you count IDPs the same as refugees, then you must also remember those in Afghanistan (anyone remember them anymore?)....
Like these folks (as of April 2014)?
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.... Canada’s immigration department says about 800 interpreters, support workers and some eligible family members will “eventually” wind up in Canada under the special visa program. But a spokesperson for Citizenship and Immigration Canada could not say how many of those applicants have already arrived. Nor would CIC say how many former interpreters applied and were rejected, left behind as the final Canadian troops left Afghanistan (March 2014) ....
.... Colombia, Sudan, etc. The list goes on and on....
Look out for more if/when Canada gets involved elsewhere in Africa under PMJT & Co. ....
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #251 on: November 25, 2015, 06:42:23 »
Thank you so much.  I am having an awful trip & hearing that I might return to a move pde was making a bad situation worse.

Any chance you could send me the link for the memo?

I'd also like to see this memo if possible - the only one I've seen online turned out to be a fake and that certainly doesn't help the machine of misinformation that's going around.  :facepalm:
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #252 on: November 25, 2015, 06:50:06 »
I'd also like to see this memo if possible - the only one I've seen online turned out to be a fake and that certainly doesn't help the machine of misinformation that's going around.  :facepalm:


I cannot help you directly, but the media is reporting that "Residents of six different buildings at CFB Kingston were told in a letter on Friday they would need to move their personal effects on Monday to make way for incoming refugees."

Assuming that report is accurate ~ and we have a whole thread devoted to media errors, etc, which suggests it might not be ~ then the "letter" is out in public and someone should be able to post it here or send you a copy by IM.
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #253 on: November 25, 2015, 07:07:19 »
Thanks - I've seen that Sun article, different outlets have similar versions. I know CTV had one earlier this week that was then slammed for being misleading. That's the whole part of the problem, as was stated earlier in this thread. One day someone says something, who tells someone else ect and suddenly it becomes a fact and being reported on as such. It wouldn't take much for that to NOT happen... but you know, why put in the effort?



I cannot help you directly, but the media is reporting that "Residents of six different buildings at CFB Kingston were told in a letter on Friday they would need to move their personal effects on Monday to make way for incoming refugees."

Assuming that report is accurate ~ and we have a whole thread devoted to media errors, etc, which suggests it might not be ~ then the "letter" is out in public and someone should be able to post it here or send you a copy by IM.
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #254 on: November 25, 2015, 07:48:41 »
Theo Moudakis, drawing in the Toronto Star, says:

     
     Source: https://twitter.com/TheoMoudakis?lang=en
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #255 on: November 25, 2015, 08:00:07 »
Michael Den Tandt, writing in the Ottawa Citizen, says that breaking the refugee promise (25,000 by 31 Dec 15) is a political 'winner' for the Liberals.

    "They have not, it seems, entirely lost the smarts that won them 184 seats and a whopping majority just over a month ago.

     In announcing the details of its long-anticipated, feverishly-speculated upon and much-criticized plan to rescue 25,000 refugees from the Syrian war by year’s end, the Liberal government deftly lopped off the last part of the promise,
     something they could have done three weeks ago.

     Their plan is now to bring in 10,000 refugees to Canada by year’s end, with an additional 15,000 to come in the ensuing couple of months — more or less in line with what many stakeholders and critics — including refugee advocates,
     some mayors, provincial premiers and the Conservative party — have demanded for weeks.

     “Canadians said, if it takes a little bit longer to do it right, then that’s what you should do,” said John McCallum, Minister of Immigration and point man on the refugee effort, in explaining the change."
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #256 on: November 25, 2015, 08:02:50 »
If we bring in 10K between now and the end of the year, that's about 300 people per day, which is a single Boeing 767 (with room to spare) or a pair of Boeing 737s.  Pearson generally handles about 100,000 passengers a day.  So if all refugees are channelled through Pearson, it's a 0.3% increase - hardly unmanageable.  Fly the 737s to two different airports and the increase is even less. 
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #257 on: November 25, 2015, 09:23:56 »
Theo Moudakis, drawing in the Toronto Star, says:

     
     Source: https://twitter.com/TheoMoudakis?lang=en

Do Syrian female refugees have special cultural rules like not being looked at by a male or not searched by a male or something?

Also I haven't read anywhere about our kitchen facilities providing special meals?
« Last Edit: November 25, 2015, 09:27:04 by Jarnhamar »
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #258 on: November 25, 2015, 17:24:19 »
Thank you so much.  I am having an awful trip & hearing that I might return to a move pde was making a bad situation worse.

Any chance you could send me the link for the memo?
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #259 on: November 25, 2015, 18:36:25 »
If we bring in 10K between now and the end of the year, that's about 300 people per day, which is a single Boeing 767 (with room to spare) or a pair of Boeing 737s.  Pearson generally handles about 100,000 passengers a day.  So if all refugees are channelled through Pearson, it's a 0.3% increase - hardly unmanageable.  Fly the 737s to two different airports and the increase is even less.

I don't think getting them through screening and through airport security is going to be the biggest hurdle. There is a lot more to it than putting them through a metal detector. The biggest issue is going to be the logistics after they make it through the screening and are living on Canadian soil.
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #260 on: November 25, 2015, 18:52:54 »
As someone else mentioned,  these refugees of the moment are all fine and good.  WFT about our Terps, they contributed to this country already, and we owe them a debt that should be upheld.   That is shameful we're not.
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #261 on: November 25, 2015, 19:19:14 »
I don't think getting them through screening and through airport security is going to be the biggest hurdle. There is a lot more to it than putting them through a metal detector. The biggest issue is going to be the logistics after they make it through the screening and are living on Canadian soil.
The whole plane could be pre-screened by CBSA prior to departure at origin.
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #262 on: November 26, 2015, 12:01:18 »
Canada already accepts 200,000 immigrants per year which is 16,667 per month.  An additional 10,000 in one month shouldn't be particularly difficult.  Rent them apartments, open them a bank account, buy them some groceries and introduce them to locals whose Arabic dialect they can understand - end of story.  The only further involvement needed would be giving them a welfare cheque by direct deposit each month for a certain time.
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #263 on: November 26, 2015, 12:45:47 »
Canada already accepts 200,000 immigrants per year which is 16,667 per month.  An additional 10,000 in one month shouldn't be particularly difficult.  Rent them apartments, open them a bank account, buy them some groceries and introduce them to locals whose Arabic dialect they can understand - end of story.  The only further involvement needed would be giving them a welfare cheque by direct deposit each month for a certain time.

I'm going to have to ask where you got those numbers from.  Link please?

And remember - temporary visas for students and tourists are completely different than accepting immigrants to stay permanently in Canada.
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #264 on: November 26, 2015, 13:10:34 »
I'm going to have to ask where you got those numbers from.  Link please?

And remember - temporary visas for students and tourists are completely different than accepting immigrants to stay permanently in Canada.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/statistics/facts2014/index.asp

That is permanent residents only.  So about 250 000 or so for 2014.  They classify temporary residents under other stats specific to that.
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #265 on: November 26, 2015, 14:08:33 »
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/statistics/facts2014/index.asp

That is permanent residents only.  So about 250 000 or so for 2014.  They classify temporary residents under other stats specific to that.

I'm pretty sure that's not how many they accept per year.  That's how many are considered permanent residents at any point in time.  My sister-in-law is part of that number and has been since she immigrated to Canada with her family when she was 2 and that was 45 yrs ago.
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #266 on: November 26, 2015, 14:17:31 »
I'm pretty sure that's not how many they accept per year.  That's how many are considered permanent residents at any point in time.  My sister-in-law is part of that number and has been since she immigrated to Canada with her family when she was 2 and that was 45 yrs ago.

According to the CICReport on Plans and Priorities for 2015/16,
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In 2015, we plan to welcome between 260,000 and 285,000 new permanent residents to Canada.
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #267 on: November 26, 2015, 14:30:56 »
I'm pretty sure that's not how many they accept per year.  That's how many are considered permanent residents at any point in time.  My sister-in-law is part of that number and has been since she immigrated to Canada with her family when she was 2 and that was 45 yrs ago.

No.  That's the annual intake.  Read the link. 

Or go to wikipedia if you want it in laymen's terms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Canada#Immigration_rate

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« Reply #268 on: November 26, 2015, 14:46:33 »
According to the CICReport on Plans and Priorities for 2015/16,http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/publications/rpp/2015-2016/index.asp

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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #269 on: November 26, 2015, 15:12:19 »
My bad then.

Looking at the numbers at first glance I thought the same thing you did.
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #270 on: November 26, 2015, 17:22:06 »
A new permanent resident can be an American with a Canadian spouse receiving that status. Let's compare apples to apples here:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/canada.asp

Canada takes 10,000 of the 100,000 resettled refugees every year. The Liberals are taking 2.5 that number in 3 months. Little bit different when you resettle a refugee than when you allow someone from a G8 nation permanent resident status when they immigrate here.

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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #271 on: November 26, 2015, 21:30:59 »
Just by counting the number of mosques and temples that have opened in Mississauga and Brampton I would suggest that a significant portion of those 260,000 have been from places other than Europe and the U.S.  Harper clamped down on immigration fraud but he never touched the numbers: it was mainly bad optics.  The figure of 260,000 was the number that the government and the private sector believed could be absorbed annually.

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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #272 on: November 26, 2015, 21:54:15 »
Just by counting the number of mosques and temples that have opened in Mississauga and Brampton I would suggest that a significant portion of those 260,000 have been from places other than Europe and the U.S.  Harper clamped down on immigration fraud but he never touched the numbers: it was mainly bad optics.  The figure of 260,000 was the number that the government and the private sector believed could be absorbed annually.


Well you can see the yearly breakdown up to 2013 here. 

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/statistics/facts2013/permanent/10.asp

The trend is likely the same for 2014.

China being number 1.  Followed by India and the the Philippines.
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #273 on: November 27, 2015, 06:12:41 »
..... China being number 1.  Followed by India and the the Philippines.
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #274 on: November 27, 2015, 06:41:45 »
It shouldn't.

China, India and Philippines all share one common attribute: they have, relative to opportunities, a surplus of well educated, sophisticated people for whom good, productive, satisfying jobs are in short supply at home. They actually and actively encourage emigration and they make life easy for the would be emigrant.

With regard to opportunity. I just learned that a young lady who used to work for me, in my civvy 'second career,' returned to China after finishing both her BComm and MBA here in Ottawa. She thought that her skills, knowledge and contacts would stand here in good stead in China ... and so they did, jobs were not hard to find, at all, but the sorts of good, productive jobs with bright future prospects that she wanted were scarce. She returned to Canada, almost certainly to stay, to take up an entry level management position, with good prospects for her future, with a big Canadian bank.

Every theoretical physicist, accountant or engineer that we take from China or India is just one from a battalion of qualified people who are "surplus to requirements opportunity," we act, in a way as a social safety valve for the Chinese and indian governments. But when we take a physicist or accountant from, say Bolivia or Ghana we are taking one from a section, at best, not from a whole battalion. Our immigration policies often rob poor countries of their "best and brightest."
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