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Re: Seamen busted
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2016, 15:37:11 »

Also, Mr Lawson wasn't charged but his CoC and possibly the NIS will probably be asking him some very tough questions concerning his "hobbies" and who his "friends" are?

His father will probably also have some words with him - likely not as complimentary as that given at his ACSO grad parade.
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Re: Seamen busted
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2016, 16:29:20 »
So capt jack lawson is an ACSO. What rank and trade is Ian Greenwood?



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Re: Seamen busted
« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2016, 16:41:13 »
So nobody else has ever just plain old been in the wrong place at the wrong time?
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Re: Seamen busted
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2016, 16:45:41 »
Captain Jack? 

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Re: Seamen busted
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2016, 16:56:24 »
Captain Jack? 


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Re: Seamen busted
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2016, 17:06:06 »
Why does the navy have a civilian fitness instructor on a warship?
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Re: Seamen busted
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2016, 17:09:27 »
The fat guy that proved his lack of PT was the Navy's fault made the RCN leadership place one there?

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Re: Seamen busted
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2016, 17:10:27 »
Why does the navy have a civilian fitness instructor on a warship?

to lead fitness training

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« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2016, 17:16:18 »
They have been embarked on ships on deployment for some time now.  Just like they were in KAF.  Same reasons.

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Re: Seamen busted
« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2016, 17:18:56 »
And the reason we can't have military personnel to perform this function as a secondary duty?
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« Reply #35 on: February 06, 2016, 17:34:07 »
And the reason we can't have military personnel to perform this function as a secondary duty?
The amount of classes and training that PSP fitness instructors bring to the ship could not be matched by a "secondary duty" person.  You have enough on your plate as it is at sea without that.

Besides, you seem hell bent on turning everything over to civilians anyhow.  Why not this?

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Re: Seamen busted
« Reply #36 on: February 06, 2016, 17:43:32 »
The amount of classes and training that PSP fitness instructors bring to the ship could not be matched by a "secondary duty" person.  You have enough on your plate as it is at sea without that.

Besides, you seem hell bent on turning everything over to civilians anyhow.  Why not this?

If you can't see the difference between core combat functions (ships at sea) and support at home (PMQs and CANEX)...

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« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2016, 17:49:51 »
If you can't see the difference between core combat functions (ships at sea) and support at home (PMQs and CANEX)...

and if you can't see sarcasm...

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Re: Seamen busted
« Reply #38 on: February 06, 2016, 18:35:36 »
to lead fitness training

And here I thought leaders did that....
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Re: Seamen busted
« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2016, 18:50:04 »
to lead fitness training

The Navy can't take an NCO and designate them a full time fitness coordinator?  Does a civilian bartender run the mess on the ship as well?
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Re: Seamen busted
« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2016, 18:55:12 »
KAF wasn't front line.
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Re: Seamen busted
« Reply #41 on: February 06, 2016, 19:01:30 »
There's no reason to have so many PSP staff running classes. They should be there as advisors to create group and personal PT plans.

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Re: Seamen busted
« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2016, 19:11:29 »
When I was in ALG during OP APOLLO we had PSP staff member with us until from Victoria until Penang Malaysia where we dropped them off. There were no civilian DND personal onboard while we were on patrol in the op area. There would be some available for specialist requirements during our routine stops in Jebel Ali.
WIN was coming home from a deployment, I have no idea when this person joined the ship but I would be greatly surprised if this person was part of the ships company during the entire deployment.

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Re: Seamen busted
« Reply #43 on: February 06, 2016, 20:00:08 »
It all depends on the type of deployment I suppose.  We had a PSP staff member with us throughout the entire OP CARIBBE deployment, in and out of the box.

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Re: Seamen busted
« Reply #44 on: February 06, 2016, 21:02:11 »
Before all of you jump to further conclusions and convict Jack Lawson in "the court of Army.ca", I would just like to say that there is a tonne more to this story then is being reported.

The police in Japan have broad powers of arrest- way beyond what is available to police in Canada.

He was released after questioning, not charged with anything and allowed to leave the country with his ship. The other two were not.

Draw what inference you wish, from that.

To suggest his father had anything to do with the situation is beyond ludicrous.

Grow up- all of you. Stop speculating on a situation you know nothing about and damaging the reputation of what I have come to recognize as a fine young officer, in the process.

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Re: Seamen busted
« Reply #45 on: February 06, 2016, 21:28:05 »
No one has convicted Lawson in the court of army.ca, in fact most of the thread has been dedicated to asking why a civvy was part of the crew

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Re: Seamen busted
« Reply #46 on: February 06, 2016, 21:53:05 »
Upthread there were some (what I believe) to be unfair comments directed at him?

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Re: Seamen busted
« Reply #47 on: February 06, 2016, 22:16:14 »
Well it looks like the closest to unfair remarks is some speculation about questions being asked about the company he keeps, hardly a condemnation.

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Re: Seamen busted
« Reply #48 on: February 06, 2016, 22:52:53 »
Perhaps I over reacted. I apologize.

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Re: Seamen busted
« Reply #49 on: February 07, 2016, 00:45:36 »
The Navy can't take an NCO and designate them a full time fitness coordinator?  Does a civilian bartender run the mess on the ship as well?

How would taking a NCO away from their actual unit and trade be better than taking someone we pay specifically to lead PT and build personalized fitness programmes?

If the RCN thought the risk of taking a civilian on the ship was too great there wouldn't have been one there... We had civilian contractors operating and maintaining the Scan Eagle UAV for my gulf deployment.