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Artillery Shell Found in Toronto Yard- June 17 2020
« on: June 18, 2020, 08:14:42 »
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https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/multiple-homes-evacuated-after-an-artillery-shell-is-found-in-a-toronto-yard-1.4988052
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Last Updated Wednesday, June 17, 2020 5:13PM EDT
Multiple homes in Toronto’s Newtonbrook neighbourhood were evacuated after a two-foot long artillery shell was found buried in the yard of a residence in the area.
Police say they were called to the area of Steeles Avenue and Whitman Street, near Bayview Avenue, shortly before 11 a.m. after a man who was digging in his yard found an artillery shell that was two-feet long, six-inches wide.


The Toronto Police Service’s chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear and explosive unit (CBRNE) is now responding to the scene.
Police say some homes in the area were evacuated as a precaution.
The bomb is believed to have been on the property for at least 40 years.
According to police, the shell may belong to the Canadian military. Experts from Canadian Forces Base Borden headed to the scene and removed it from the property.
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Re: Artillery Shell Found in Toronto Yard- June 17 2020
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2020, 09:26:54 »
Looks like WW1 vintage, to me.

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Re: Artillery Shell Found in Toronto Yard- June 17 2020
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2020, 10:23:58 »
Looks like WW1 vintage, to me.

Agreed.

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Re: Artillery Shell Found in Toronto Yard- June 17 2020
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2020, 10:37:38 »
6 inch 26cwt shell?

Could be nasty if it was filled with phosgene.

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Re: Artillery Shell Found in Toronto Yard- June 17 2020
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2020, 10:49:14 »
6 inch 26cwt shell?

Could be nasty if it was filled with phosgene.

Dunno! The shape, especially the lack of a boat tail base suggests a carrier shell, but the resolution on my device does not let me determine if the round has a time fuze.*

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Re: Artillery Shell Found in Toronto Yard- June 17 2020
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2020, 11:03:23 »
I agree with you about the carrier shell aspect.

The nose looks weird, however.

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Re: Artillery Shell Found in Toronto Yard- June 17 2020
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2020, 11:19:11 »
From the little that I remember from our ammunition and equipment phase on our IG Course way back in 1967, aerodynamics often was a bit of an afterthought. Take a look at a few pictures of period heavy and siege artillery back then, and you may note some blunt-nosed rounds.

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Re: Artillery Shell Found in Toronto Yard- June 17 2020
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2020, 11:40:02 »
I'm thinking back to when I was doing landscaping and if we hit a rock you would use a big, 6' long steel bar with a chisel tip to rind the outline and break it up. That would be a bit of a shock to pull up an arty shell instead of a boulder. Hopefully will have forgotten about this by the time I have to redo my patio so I'm not nervous.

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Re: Artillery Shell Found in Toronto Yard- June 17 2020
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2020, 11:45:21 »
6 inch 26cwt shell?

Could be nasty if it was filled with phosgene.

Did they use gas shells for training in Canada? That would be so cool on exercise...

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Re: Artillery Shell Found in Toronto Yard- June 17 2020
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2020, 12:36:24 »
Without scale it's hard to guess what it is. the nose is an odd shape, maybe a 199 fuze, but normally you can make out a definite ridge where the dissimilar metals of the fuze and adapter meet. Almost looks like a solid shot round.   
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Re: Artillery Shell Found in Toronto Yard- June 17 2020
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2020, 15:46:52 »
Almost looks like a solid shot round.   
Would that make sense as a training round in that era?

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Re: Artillery Shell Found in Toronto Yard- June 17 2020
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2020, 18:44:28 »

Would that make sense as a training round in that era?

For sure. In lots of old time impact areas we dug up metric assloads of 6 pdr shot (flat nose) and AP shot (pointy nose). The AP shot has almost but not quite identical flight characteristics to the HE, and cost a lot less to produce so more economical to train with. I couldn't begin to guess the calibre of this thing though, tough to tell with it sitting in the open and nothing to scale it against.
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Re: Artillery Shell Found in Toronto Yard- June 17 2020
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2020, 21:07:57 »
Little hard to tell from the pictures but based on the measurement given of 6 inch (if accurate) this round is more likely from the 6" 26 CWT ordnance which Canada fielded in WW1, through the interwar years and a few years into WW2 as both medium and siege artillery. After 1941 we basically went to the 5.5" as the medium gun. (There was also 6" naval ordinance but that's way outside my expertise and wouldn't know how it got into Toronto)

Note that the absence of a fuze in the nose (or a boattail for that matter) doesn't mean it was a carrier shell. Shells designed to pierce fortifications, especially concrete, frequently had a solid nose and be base fuzed to increase penetration before detonation.

I'm not generally aware of any solid shot round at a 6" calibre. Can't see why you would have it. Old Sweat or Petard would know a lot better than I would.

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Re: Artillery Shell Found in Toronto Yard- June 17 2020
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2020, 21:36:00 »
The only reason you do solid shoot at the 6 inch calibre is to pierce armour. Which could imply it is a naval round.

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Re: Artillery Shell Found in Toronto Yard- June 17 2020
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2020, 21:41:01 »
I'm just assuming it's from a 2006 mess dinner at 7 Toronto that went terribly wrong.
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Re: Artillery Shell Found in Toronto Yard- June 17 2020
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2020, 22:52:08 »
Little hard to tell from the pictures but based on the measurement given of 6 inch (if accurate) this round is more likely from the 6" 26 CWT ordnance which Canada fielded in WW1, through the interwar years and a few years into WW2 as both medium and siege artillery. After 1941 we basically went to the 5.5" as the medium gun. (There was also 6" naval ordinance but that's way outside my expertise and wouldn't know how it got into Toronto)

Note that the absence of a fuze in the nose (or a boattail for that matter) doesn't mean it was a carrier shell. Shells designed to pierce fortifications, especially concrete, frequently had a solid nose and be base fuzed to increase penetration before detonation.

I'm not generally aware of any solid shot round at a 6" calibre. Can't see why you would have it. Old Sweat or Petard would know a lot better than I would.

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Also, did it say in the article this was a 6" round or was that someones guess?
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Re: Artillery Shell Found in Toronto Yard- June 17 2020
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2020, 23:02:45 »
I may or may not have a 60pdr flat nose shot round that would make an amazing anvil. If I had one. Or not...
Also, did it say in the article this was a 6" round or was that someones guess?

It said something about being two and one half feet by 6 inches. Not sure how accurately that was measured.

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Re: Artillery Shell Found in Toronto Yard- June 17 2020
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2020, 23:08:42 »
It said something about being two and one half feet by 6 inches. Not sure how accurately that was measured.

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Re: Artillery Shell Found in Toronto Yard- June 17 2020
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2020, 14:11:59 »
My guesstimate was  a six-inch howitzer, but that is just that - a guess. Agreed lack of a boat tail, etc does not make it a base ejection round, and projectile design was pretty basic back then, like what came first, the fire hydrant or the artillery projectile?

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Re: Artillery Shell Found in Toronto Yard- June 17 2020
« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2020, 18:49:46 »
I'm just assuming it's from a 2006 mess dinner at 7 Toronto that went terribly wrong.

That was already a bad year for social functions out of Moss Park.

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Re: Artillery Shell Found in Toronto Yard- June 17 2020
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2020, 19:44:10 »
That was already a bad year for social functions out of Moss Park.

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Re: Artillery Shell Found in Toronto Yard- June 17 2020
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