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Re: New Artillery Capbadge
« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2016, 12:17:03 »
There is no "kings' crown" and "queens' crown."   There are several crowns and each new monarch picks the one that will be that monarch's.  So, getting a king next does not mean the crown will change, but any change of monarch might result in the crown changing.

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Re: New Artillery Capbadge
« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2016, 18:47:14 »
There is no "kings' crown" and "queens' crown."   There are several crowns and each new monarch picks the one that will be that monarch's.  So, getting a king next does not mean the crown will change, but any change of monarch might result in the crown changing.

More correctly, there have been many specially designed coronation crowns for incoming Monarchs some of whom who thought St. Edward's Crown was too heavy.

The old King vs Queen crown reference stems from the 1953 decision by QER II to change all Royal crests from the Tudor Crown to the St. Edward's Crown. Therefore, it was/is referred to by many as the "King's crown" pre-1953 and "Queen's crown" post-1953. 

So it is possible that the next Monarch could choose any headdress they wish to adorn all Royal crests in the future. I recommend they choose one that pisses off the next generations of followers of heraldry and those serving under the resulting crests. 
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Re: New Artillery Capbadge
« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2016, 18:55:52 »
So it is possible that the next Monarch could choose any headdress they wish to adorn all Royal crests in the future. I recommend they choose one that pisses off the next generations of followers of heraldry and those serving under the resulting crests.

The Royal Family is already set for that:

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Re: New Artillery Capbadge
« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2016, 19:04:38 »
More correctly, there have been many specially designed coronation crowns for incoming Monarchs some of whom who thought St. Edward's Crown was too heavy.

The old King vs Queen crown reference stems from the 1953 decision by QER II to change all Royal crests from the Tudor Crown to the St Edward's Crown. Therefore, it was/is referred to by many as the "King's crown" pre-1953 and "Queen's crown" post-1953.  So it is possible that the next Monarch could choose any headdress they wish to adorn all Royal crests in the future. I recommend they choose one that pisses off the next generations of followers of heraldry and those serving under the resulting crests.

Queen Elizabeth wore the Saint Edward's Crown in 1953; the same one as her father and grandfather wore for their coronations. 

Speculation is that Queen Elizabeth changed the official crown used on crests because the Tudor Crown was also commonly known as the Imperial Crown, and she wanted to mark that she was not going to reign as an Empress, unlike the previous few monarchs, who were Emperor/Empress of India.

There is also speculation that she inquired as to why the crown used on crests wasn't representative of the one actually used in the coronations... and no one had a good answer.

I leave it to those of you with better knowledge of heraldry to pick which of those theories is accurate, if indeed either is. But regardless, I can't see a compelling reason to switch back to the Tudor/Imperial Crown on the eventual accession of a new monarch.

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Re: New Artillery Capbadge
« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2016, 19:04:50 »
The Royal Family is already set for that:



You evil man, you.

Now some Rifle Regiment will adopt her as their Honourary Colonel and that as a Hatbadge.

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Re: New Artillery Capbadge
« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2016, 19:07:49 »
You evil man, you.

Now some Rifle Regiment will adopt her as their Honourary Colonel and that as a Hatbadge.

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Yes we would really like something new......we have an HCol and an HLcol already though.....maybe she could be an HMaj?
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