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Re: Phoenix Pay System - crap's Horrible
« Reply #250 on: April 28, 2019, 11:53:06 »
...thus how TBS, whose Information Technology and Human Resources branches failed to provide oversight to the implementation of Phoenix, are now building its replacement...
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Re: Phoenix Pay System - crap's Horrible
« Reply #252 on: May 15, 2019, 10:29:12 »

Good news, job security for the people in this department :)

Phoenix pay grievances threaten to choke federal labour relations board

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/phoenix-pay-grievances-threaten-to-choke-federal-labour-relations-board


Meanwhile, the payment processes to IBM seem to be working smoothly:

Phoenix cost soars by another $137M, paid to IBM

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/phoenix-costs-137-million-ibm-1.5135545
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Re: Phoenix Pay System - crap's Horrible
« Reply #253 on: May 15, 2019, 10:56:21 »
Info on the tentative Phoenix settlement agreed to by most bargaining agents (less PSAC).

Joint statement: https://www.acfo-acaf.com/2019/05/07/joint-statement-federal-unions-approve-agreement-on-phoenix-damages/?fbclid=IwAR2UHxGCwbMfPvbCd7f23_-CBcLujwpA-Z6lGtyxBo7jvCnhcyKSh8hBYDo

"Eight things you need to know": https://www.pipsc.ca/news-issues/phoenix-pay-system/8-things-you-need-to-know-about-phoenix-compensation-agreement

interesting.  we'll see what PSAC gets.

The impact on me has been minimal.  My wife was owed 30,000$.  Was solved recently more or less.  Luckily our finances were strong enough to weather this garbage.

5 days as overall compensation and compensation for sick leave for those affected seems fair to an extent.  it's the case by case issues that are the bigger problem.
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Re: Phoenix Pay System - crap's Horrible
« Reply #254 on: May 16, 2019, 11:38:57 »
Although a 6900% increase from the initial cost estimate is “not insignificant,” whoever thought you could design and implement a pay management system for $46 per employee should not have any place of responsibility in the organization.
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Re: Phoenix Pay System - crap's Horrible
« Reply #255 on: May 27, 2019, 16:42:01 »
More information on the Phoenix Compensation Agreement.

https://www.pipsc.ca/news-issues/phoenix-pay-system/phoenix-compensation-agreement-faqs?fbclid=IwAR1Cq5lQWC9gaUMVlz9xQPhRFaqWS8ULZcDdPcvmIAtdwFKonZGVYz4NW1Q

Of interest, members of the various unions will not get a vote  - their leadership has signed the deal as a resolution to grievances; it's not part of the collective agreements.
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Re: Phoenix Pay System - crap's Horrible
« Reply #256 on: June 13, 2019, 22:29:38 »
And the compensation agreement has been posted online: https://www.canada.ca/en/treasury-board-secretariat/topics/pay/phoenix-pay-system/damages-caused-phoenix-pay-system.html

Interest to be paid on late payments appears to be between 3.75% and 5% (bank rate plus 3%).  So, to reach the $1500 minimum to be eligible, someone will need to be out between $30-40K for one year (or proportionate amounts over a longer period of time).  Seems to be a rather steep incline, designed to minimize the amount that will actually be paid out.

Of course, there are other grounds for filing claims, but I expect the attitude of "we'll pay you when we feel like it, and nothing is our fault" will persist...
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Re: Phoenix Pay System - crap's Horrible
« Reply #257 on: June 14, 2019, 09:51:11 »
I hope that PSAC and PIPSC members remember this come October. Four years is enough time to do something more than say they’re doing something.

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Re: Phoenix Pay System - crap's Horrible
« Reply #258 on: June 14, 2019, 11:50:09 »
I hope that PSAC and PIPSC members remember this come October. Four years is enough time to do something more than say they’re doing something.

That would be great, however:

"In bureaucratic organizations, those closest to the customer feel least empowered."

https://www.inc.com/new-research-shows-how-damaging-your-companys-bureaucracy-is-do-this-1-thing-to-counter.html
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Re: Phoenix Pay System - crap's Horrible
« Reply #259 on: June 15, 2019, 22:25:22 »
I hope that PSAC and PIPSC members remember this come October. Four years is enough time to do something more than say they’re doing something.

True but they certainly remember who caused the mess.
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Re: Phoenix Pay System - crap's Horrible
« Reply #260 on: June 17, 2019, 10:56:00 »
They remember that CPC started this ball rolling and that the CPC did "Work Force Adjustment" which was a mess and has mostly been undone by the Libs. I noticed a lot jokes about the Libs and corruption, overspending in the PS before I left. I can remember the visible relief when Chretien was booted by Harper as most of the PS was utterly disgusted by the corruption ongoing at the time. That changed with the Duffy affair. Most of the PS is worried about layoff under the CPC and attacks on pensions, etc. But the PS also realizes that we can't afford to spend at the rate the JT government is doing so. If the CPC gets in I hope it's with only a very slim majority, so they can't go full stupid, because basically both parties end up going full stupid in different ways.