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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1 stay
« Reply #75 on: June 25, 2016, 01:42:00 »
Because it's the Trudeau government that negotiated CETA....

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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1 stay
« Reply #76 on: June 25, 2016, 01:45:15 »
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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1 stay
« Reply #77 on: June 25, 2016, 07:56:29 »
Only when Europe casts off their socialism will they see econmic improvement.The millions of refugees they have accepted will be a huge drag on their economy and a blow to their national identity.The refugees should be returned to their home countries as a start.

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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1 stay
« Reply #78 on: June 25, 2016, 08:36:14 »
Only when Europe casts off their socialism will they see econmic improvement.The millions of refugees they have accepted will be a huge drag on their economy and a blow to their national identity.The refugees should be returned to their home countries as a start.

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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1 stay
« Reply #79 on: June 25, 2016, 10:33:28 »
Because it's the Trudeau government that negotiated CETA....

He is leading the government in power, is he not? He could have said lets have a look at this agreement more closely and make sure it ties the boxes of the best interests for Canadians instead of just certain small groups of Canadians aspiring to some more European.

That trade deal imposes on Canada business a set of rules, regulations and standards that go far beyond anything that is pragmatically needed to trade freely and fairly. Now, to be fair, rules that require certain emissions standards, power connections etc. are one thing if they are tied to the use of the product on their own and in the EU. But to impose those requirements all the way back into the manufacturing process of all goods manufactured or designed here, regardless if destined for the EU, is costly for business, interferes with our ability to create our own rules of production and sale, and that reduces the sovereignty of our own institutions just a little, and collectively, little by little becomes too much.  Some businesses will flourish, some will pull back and not trade at all. Western Canadian mine and minerals (including heavy oil)
if they ever had a chance of rebounding, is hobbled a little by this particular agreement unless the only customers are on the pacific coast and happen to be India and China.

However the integration of those rules into our own domestic laws puts this country at the mercy of EU trade requirements that contain social policy and security objectives not necessarily in the best interests of Canada. And yes, the Cons started the process and were perhaps responsible for some or even most of the outcome. So much again for real change though, eh?  We already suffer some of these issues long ago with ITARS and our export control compliance regime that is dictated in large measure by the United States, and even when we do have certain successes under NAFTA etc, we still seem to eventually come out on the losing end.

I don't trust the EU and it's Parliament, fair trade access to the common market is where this should stop. 

 
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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1 stay
« Reply #80 on: June 25, 2016, 11:27:15 »
I just read that Brussels (EU HQ) wouldn't let Britons buy Dyson vacuums because of the machines power usage.

That is the kind of utter bullshit that had Britain walk. Hopefully, a bunch of others grow a spine and walk away also. The New World Order is collapsing and it's not soon enough.

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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1 stay
« Reply #81 on: June 25, 2016, 11:54:35 »
Corruption in politics doesn't scare me.
What scares me is how comfortable people are doing nothing about it.

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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1 stay
« Reply #82 on: June 25, 2016, 12:26:14 »
They need another Iron Lady over there.

We need leaders with backbones period, in my opinion.
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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1 stay
« Reply #83 on: June 25, 2016, 12:37:01 »
Scots and Northern Irish should think before they leap out of the UK.

With the UK out of the EU and imposing more controls on migrants into the UK, people who wanted to get into the UK will be looking for EU member countries somewhat like the UK as alternate destinations.

The UK has a population around 64 million into which newcomers are absorbed; Scotland has 5.5 million; Ireland and Northern Ireland combined would be about 6.5 million.  Scotland and Northern Ireland as part of the EU would not retain much of their Scottish and Irish character after a couple of generations.

Look to Belgium for the example.

If the bureaucrats in Brussels want to make the divorce rough to punish the UK, they will quickly find their chains pulled up short by Germany, which does a lot of exporting to the UK.  Merkel is already in enough trouble over her foolish decision to throw open the doors, and I doubt she will want to wear political sh!t on behalf of unelected technocrats.
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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1 stay
« Reply #84 on: June 25, 2016, 13:09:24 »
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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1 stay
« Reply #86 on: June 25, 2016, 13:26:42 »
Canada seems to be the country of choice for anyone who wants to flee their own country when things go to hell politically.

Brexit fallout: ‘How to move to Canada’ trends in U.K. after European Union vote

http://globalnews.ca/news/2784868/brexit-how-to-move-to-canada-trends-in-u-k-after-european-union-vote/

Ha. You obviously are still chuckling from all those Americans who want to hide here in Canada if Trump gets elected. Now they'll have competition.  ;D

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Britons seek to 'move to Canada' after Brexit vote
Google reports surge in U.K. searches for 'move to Canada,' 'move to Gibraltar'

CBC News Posted: Jun 24, 2016 1:55 PM ET Last Updated: Jun 24, 2016 4:53 PM ET

When elections don't go a certain way in the U.S., many voters inevitably utter the slogan, "I'm moving to Canada."

Britons on social media also took up the refrain after the result of the U.K. referendum became clear last night.

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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1 stay
« Reply #87 on: June 25, 2016, 15:01:50 »
Ha. You obviously are still chuckling from all those Americans who want to hide here in Canada if Trump gets elected. Now they'll have competition.  ;D

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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1 stay
« Reply #88 on: June 25, 2016, 15:34:27 »
Seeing Sir Humphrey talking about "old times" reminded me that I found another echo of "old times".

1643

The Scots aligned themselves with London.  Wales and much of England was of a different opinion.  The Irish were involved in their own discussions.  The Bourbons, having done whatever it took to secure Paris and scupper the French aristocracy were taxing their citizens dry and making life as miserable as possible for the Hanoverians on the throne in London.  The rest of Europe was cheerfully contesting whether one stand or sit while praying.

We've come a long way since then.

Oh, and there was a steady stream of Frenchmen, Dutch, Germans and Swiss seeking employment in British cities.


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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1 stay
« Reply #90 on: June 25, 2016, 20:45:26 »
Aaaannnnd, now they want a do over.

More than 2.5M sign Brexit do-over petition

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/06/25/nearly-25m-sign-brexit-do-over-petition/86385466/

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More than 2.5 million people have signed an official online petition calling for a re-do of the Brexit referendum, generating so much traffic on Saturday that Parliament's website temporarily crashed.

The official UK Government and Parliament petition follows Thursday's shocking referendum in which 51.9% of United Kingdom voters supported leaving the European Union. It passed with a turnout of 72.2%

The newspaper The Telegraph called the feverish online response "the biggest surge of support Parliament's website has ever seen."

The text of the petition is succinct: "We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based (on) a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum."

According to the Express newspaper, however, the author of the petition — who submitted the petition a month ago — is not upset over the outcome of the referendum, rather he had submitted it in the expectation that the "remain" forces would prevail, and wanted to set up a second bite of the apple.

De Montfort University activist William Oliver Healey tells the Express that his strategy "has been wrongly hijacked by the remain campaign."

The Parliament's Petitions Committee, which considers whether such submissions should be taken up in the House, will hold its next meeting on Tuesday.

Theoretically, the government could ignore the referendum, which is not legally binding. However, Prime Minister David Cameron, who announced his resignation in the wake of the vote, said the government would honor the results and take steps to leave the alliance.

Labour legislator David Lammy says Thursday’s national vote was non-binding and “our sovereign Parliament needs to now vote on whether we should quit the EU.”

He says some “leave” supporters now regret their votes and Parliament should vote on Britain’s EU membership. He said “we can stop this madness and bring this nightmare to an end. … Let us not destroy our economy on the basis of lies and the hubris of (’leave’ leader) Boris Johnson.”

Constitutional experts say Parliament cannot easily ignore the will of the people. Alan Renwick, deputy director of University College London’s Constitution Unit, says “in legal theory that is possible. In practice, that is absolutely not possible.”

Come on people, you should have thought about this before we left! :facepalm:
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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1 stay
« Reply #91 on: June 25, 2016, 20:53:56 »
 :rofl:

Thousands Of British Refugees Make Dangerous Journey Across The Irish Sea

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2016/06/24/thousands-of-british-refugees-make-dangerous-journey-across-the-irish-sea/

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THE IRISH coast guard has today issued a nationwide warning for the East Coast as hundreds of thousands of British refugees risk their lives to cross the Irish sea in an attempt to flee the impoverished and unstable nation.

Dinghies overflowing with desperate migrants are so far half way through their journey, many with women and children aboard, wishing to make a new start on the Emerald Isle.

“We have rescued hundreds of people from crafts due to overcrowding,” winchman Derek Ryan of Rescue 117 told WWN today. “It’s a terrible situation as many of these people are only hoping for a better quality of life in the EU”.

Taoiseach Enda Kenny has called an emergency meeting in the Dáil this afternoon to help find a solution to the influx of British refugees.

It is expected many of those landing on the Irish coast will have to be quarantined, as they are not a part of the European Union.

“Emergency prefabs will be erected to help cope and house these poor unfortunate people,” Mr. Kenny stated. “I urge everyone to do what they can to help support the migrants in anyway, whether that be waiting with hots cups of tea on the shoreline, to giving them fresh clothes to wear”.

An estimated 450,000 people have already fled the UK mainland to neighbouring EU countries.
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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1 stay
« Reply #92 on: June 25, 2016, 20:57:43 »
If you're going to make a competition of it, my money is on them losing the title come November.

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LONDON (The Borowitz Report)—Across the United Kingdom on Friday, Britons mourned their long-cherished right to claim that Americans were significantly dumber than they are.

Luxuriating in the superiority of their intellect over Americans’ has long been a favorite pastime in Britain, surpassing in popularity such games as cricket, darts, and snooker.

But, according to Alistair Dorrinson, a pub owner in North London, British voters have done irreparable damage to the “most enjoyable sport this nation has ever known: namely, treating Americans like idiots.”

“When our countrymen cast their votes yesterday, they didn’t realize they were destroying the most precious leisure activity this nation has ever known,” he said. “Wankers.”

In the face of this startling display of national idiocy, Dorrinson still mustered some of the resilience for which the British people are known. “This is a dark day,” he said. “But I hold out hope that, come November, Americans could become dumber than us once more.”
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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1 stay
« Reply #93 on: June 25, 2016, 21:19:53 »
If you're going to make a competition of it, my money is on them losing the title come November.

Mugs game. Either way the Brits win in November.
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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1 stay
« Reply #94 on: June 25, 2016, 21:26:18 »
Aaaannnnd, now they want a do over.

More than 2.5M sign Brexit do-over petition

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/06/25/nearly-25m-sign-brexit-do-over-petition/86385466/
I'm curious how many of those who signed the petition actually voted in the referendum ...
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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1% stay
« Reply #95 on: June 25, 2016, 21:50:03 »
That's not how democracy works. You don't just keep getting to do it over and over until you get the results you want. 72% of the electorate voted (crazy high for western elections). They get to do what they want.

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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1% stay
« Reply #96 on: June 25, 2016, 22:00:28 »
I believe Churchill once said something to the effect that a conversation with an average voter would put one off democracy. While hideously elitist, it does raise the issue of ill-prepared voters.

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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1% stay
« Reply #97 on: June 25, 2016, 22:26:16 »
I believe Churchill once said something to the effect that a conversation with an average voter would put one off democracy. While hideously elitist, it does raise the issue of ill-prepared voters.

The danger of protest voting.  Sometimes you get an outcome you didn't really want.
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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1% stay
« Reply #98 on: June 25, 2016, 22:39:53 »
The danger of protest voting.  Sometimes you get an outcome you didn't really want.
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« Reply #99 on: June 25, 2016, 22:45:30 »
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