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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42074081      I  wouldn't be surprised if the US is already operating in Mali, since there is some serious slapping required.

We could always go online and check the Fitbit website to if the US has a secret base there.


I'm hoping to score a gender advisor position on tour.
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When was the last mission when we had BS ROE?

Balkans??
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Canada finally makes small contribution to UN peacekeeping force in Mali. CBC broke story.
Helos & doctors. UN happy to have this but no infantry which UN badly wanted too. Likely to be based in safety of Uganda. Curious this was leaked late on a Friday. Like govt ashamed...?
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Operating from Uganda makes no sense; its the other side of the continent!
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Operating from Uganda makes no sense; its the other side of the continent!

Taking Adaptive Dispersed Operations to a whole new level! 

What I wonder, why not base in either Bamako or N'Dajmena?  The French literally have airbases in both with fighter Squadrons, battlegroups, full up attack helos, etc.



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If you ever get to Africa I think Mali or Dijibouti would be great locales both are french speaking and by going to the D you would work with the FFL.

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The government made a huge deal about distancing ourselves from the combat mission against ISIS. Guessing they will carry it on in Africa. Peacekeeping not war fighting and all that. Colocated with frontline soldiers might be too close for comfort.

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Operating from Uganda makes no sense; its the other side of the continent!
Sure, if you're only considering operational effectiveness;  maybe the ceremonial garb of those Bantu-speakers is more colourful than the various Mali tribes. 

Photo Ops, not military ops!    :nod:

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Sure, if you're only considering operational effectiveness;  maybe the ceremonial garb of those Bantu-speakers is more colourful than the various Mali tribes. 

Photo Ops, not military ops!    :nod:
This is one of those cases where it pay off to wait until the official announcement on Monday.

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The Tac Hel folks are going to be busy. 

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If you ever get to Africa I think Mali or Dijibouti would be great locales both are french speaking and by going to the D you would work with the FFL.

The French Foreign Legion left Djibouti in 2011. The current French garrison is based around a regiment of the Troupes de marine.

Djibouti also acts as host to bases for military contingents from the USA, Japan and China. It's a popular place.

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Balkans??

I'd agree with that for UNPROFOR, but was it the same for the IFOR/KFOR/SFOR?

I'd go with Rwanda as my answer.  And that was 2 decades + change ago now.

* maybe people assuming the worst ref ROE for Mali is based on the lack of confidence they have towards the sitting government and how "in stride" the CDS may be viewed to be with them.
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Canada’s Mali mission will emphasize deployment of female peacekeepers

By The Canadian Press — Mar 18 2018

OTTAWA — The Canadian military's upcoming foray into Mali is expected to include a marked female presence as the Trudeau government looks to have Canada lead by example in the push to have more women on peacekeeping missions.

Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland and Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan on Monday will unveil details of Canada's mission to Mali, which will centre around the deployment of up to six military helicopters.

The Canadian contingent will be a combination of Chinook helicopters, which will be tasked with providing medical evacuations and logistical support, and smaller Griffons to act as armed escorts for the larger transports.

The decision to send military helicopters to Mali follows a direct request from the United Nations after the Trudeau government promised in November to make such aircraft available to a future peacekeeping mission.

But a senior government official says Canada will also take the opportunity to make good on another commitment, namely to help increase the number of peacekeepers who are women.

The official says that starts with walking the walk, which is why the military will attempt to ensure women are well represented among the 200 to 250 Canadian military personnel deployed to Mali.

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Here we go. People will be picked for deployment solely based on their gender. What a #$%#ing joke.

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Oh wow.  A whole new level of stupidity.  How in good conscience can the CDS go along with this?  Or the esteemed Generals within the Liberal party or on the Senate?

Not only are we tasking troops to a unnecessary FUBAR UN Mission we are going to select our troops base on some BS gender qualification rather than assigning positions on suitability.
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The USN took over Camp Lemonier and the Chinese have a naval base in country.

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Here we go. People will be picked for deployment solely based on their gender. What a #$%#ing joke.

Right?

All those males that dutifully stuck around while their peers jumped shipped.  Quietly plugging along, waiting for a tour.

Surprise lol


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Here we go. People will be picked for deployment solely based on their gender. What a #$%#ing joke.

Yeah, it's not like people were ever previously selected/excluded from deployment based solely on their gender.  As much as the current government's feminist policy is a little out to lunch, what makes you think that "unqualified" people will be deployed simply because of their gender.  Especially since the percentage of females in Air Force trades and particularly in medical trades are likely to be higher than in combat arms.
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Yeah, it's not like people were ever previously selected/excluded from deployment based solely on their gender.  As much as the current government's feminist policy is a little out to lunch, what makes you think that "unqualified" people will be deployed simply because of their gender.  Especially since the percentage of females in Air Force trades and particularly in medical trades are likely to be higher than in combat arms.

So just because a bunch of dinosaurs in the CAF did it, its OK now for 2 wrongs to make a right? If I told you I was picking a man over a woman in any trade for a deployment because they were a man, you'd lose your mind. However, its suddenly OK to do the opposite?

I was brought up by my parents and taught by solid leaders in the CAF that it doesn't matter what your race/creed/gender are, if you can do the job you're a valued member of the team and should be rewarded for it. By forcing the CAF into identity politics, we no longer teach our leaders to promote the best, but to promote to a gender quota. There's absolutely nothing wrong with trying to increase women wanting to join the CAF, but when you limit operational commanders flexibility to have the best troops available, then you limit the operational effectiveness of the CAF as a whole.

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Yeah, it's not like people were ever previously selected/excluded from deployment based solely on their gender. 

Please tell me which tour where gender was a wide spread criteria when it came to selection to deploy.
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Here we go. People will be picked for deployment solely based on their gender. What a #$%#ing joke.

Did you miss this one in the news recently??

RCAF member deploys as gender advisor

Pretty happy to be receiving the "Kuwait medal" (show me that one in the Chart...and that's from a frickin' CAF website).   :orly:  If there was a Kuwait medal, it would a miniature 'top of an ice cream container' instead of the GSM medal.   :rofl:

Brace yourselves...it's going to get worse...much much worse I fear...before it...well, I don't honestly think it will get better at this time.  Not with Mr Dressup at the helm.  It will get worse.  When IMPACT started, the CAF wouldn't send SERE SMEs into theatre to talk to the coalition JPRC folks, there was 'no need' but there was no issue having 2 ****** Official Visits Officers (Maj's) on a camp of people that didn't need to be there in the first ******' place.

This crap is just going to get worse IMO. 

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Please tell me which tour where gender was a wide spread criteria when it came to selection to deploy.

Actually doesn't that kind of go against the Canadian Charter stuff?  Discrimination based on sex...something something...
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Actually doesn't that kind of go against the Canadian Charter stuff?  Discrimination based on sex...something something...

That's the way she goes, boys.

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Please tell me which tour where gender was a wide spread criteria when it came to selection to deploy.

In Jordan one of the main efforts has been assisting with the Jordanian Army's womens centre of excellence. Perhaps the "female" focus is something similar, which would make sense. 

On an aside- the decision in jordan to emphasize this was as it was seen as something canada could do well with minimal personnel/fiscal investment and was high visibility (king Abdullah I I often visited).

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So just because a bunch of dinosaurs in the CAF did it, its OK now for 2 wrongs to make a right? If I told you I was picking a man over a woman in any trade for a deployment because they were a man, you'd lose your mind. However, its suddenly OK to do the opposite?

I was brought up by my parents and taught by solid leaders in the CAF that it doesn't matter what your race/creed/gender are, if you can do the job you're a valued member of the team and should be rewarded for it. By forcing the CAF into identity politics, we no longer teach our leaders to promote the best, but to promote to a gender quota. There's absolutely nothing wrong with trying to increase women wanting to join the CAF, but when you limit operational commanders flexibility to have the best troops available, then you limit the operational effectiveness of the CAF as a whole.
You know, I used to hear the same thing during Bosnia and Afghanistan.  Troops upset they were being left behind because there was an arbitrary quota that needed to be filled.  Only difference there, the "quota" was the 20% Reserve requirement...  Strangely enough, there was a common theme to the troops who weren't getting what they thought was "their" tour.  But in the end, everyone who wanted a tour eventually got one, or more.

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Did you miss this one in the news recently??

RCAF member deploys as gender advisor

Pretty happy to be receiving the "Kuwait medal" (show me that one in the Chart...and that's from a frickin' CAF website).   :orly:  If it was the Kuwait medal, it would a minitop 'top of an ice cream container' instead of the GSM medal.   :rofl:

Brace yourselves...it's going to get worse...much much worse I fear...before it...well, I don't honestly think it will get better at this time.  Not with Mr Dressup at the helm.  It will get worse.  When IMPACT started, the CAF wouldn't send SERE SMEs into theatre to talk to the coalition JPRC folks, there was 'no need' but there was no issue having 2 ****** Official Visits Officers (Maj's) on a camp of people that didn't need to be there in the first ******' place.

This crap is just going to get worse IMO.

Kuwait is a textbook definition of the self picking lollipop