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Because he is a tactical General and merely aping the customs of his risk averse peers by micromanaging the he** out of everything?

Tactical Generals: Leaders, Technology, and the Perils

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/tactical-generals-leaders-technology-and-the-perils/

Cheap shot - but nice reference.

Alternatively, the military has provided sound military advice to the government on how they could best achieve their stated geo-political objectives.  Having done so, and having deployed a significant number of troops on a theatre activation party, the CDS is there to a) show the flag, b) lead from the front, and c) perhaps even settle a few outstanding details.

But no doubt you have it right.
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Trudeau's 1st peacekeeping mission just under stated goal of 15% female soldiers

'Canadian Armed Forces have done their work of making sure that we have the right people,' says Harjit Sajjan.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mali-women-peacekeeper-short-1.4721774


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Agreed with PPCLI guy on every point
Fortune Favours the Bold...and the Smart.

Wouldn't it be nice to have some Boondock Saints kicking around?

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Trudeau's 1st peacekeeping mission just under stated goal of 15% female soldiers

'Canadian Armed Forces have done their work of making sure that we have the right people,' says Harjit Sajjan.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mali-women-peacekeeper-short-1.4721774

I wonder if Prince Justin really understands the extra levels of stress he might be putting on female CAF members required to do more than their fair share, just to make sure that his quota is achieved.
"The most important qualification of a soldier is fortitude under fatigue and privation. Courage is only second; hardship, poverty and want are the best school for a soldier." Napoleon

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Trudeau's 1st peacekeeping mission just under stated goal of 15% female soldiers

'Canadian Armed Forces have done their work of making sure that we have the right people,' says Harjit Sajjan.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mali-women-peacekeeper-short-1.4721774

From this article, what jumped out at me:

“He acknowledged it does not meet the target, but insisted that once other peacekeeping commitments make it to the field, including a proposed 200-soldier rapid reaction force, the numbers will improve.”

Are we looking at some sort of combat QRF capability as well for this op? Because that’s a game changer in terms of the risks our troops will be exposed to. I don’t know how else to read that but.
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From this article, what jumped out at me:

“He acknowledged it does not meet the target, but insisted that once other peacekeeping commitments make it to the field, including a proposed 200-soldier rapid reaction force, the numbers will improve.”

Are we looking at some sort of combat QRF capability as well for this op? Because that’s a game changer in terms of the risks our troops will be exposed to. I don’t know how else to read that but.

I caught the same thing. If they do add on a QRF (of some sort and of that size) they are essentially doubling the size of the original mission and will be including a whole lot more kit.

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Not an army guy but doesn't a QRF need some sort of armour and air support?

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Not an army guy but doesn't a QRF need some sort of armour and air support?

'Depends'

A QRF could range from small det of light fast to something big and bruising with lots of enablers.  The definition will be interesting to see, once announced.

:2c:

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But it could also mean protecting convoys and giving fire support to fellow peacekeepers who find themselves in trouble....
That's the mission of another military powerhouse -- El Salvador.


The Dutch AH-64s and German Eurocopter Tigers gone, but hey, El Salvador still has 3 x MD500s in location.  [:-[


I guess as long as the enemy has no Air Defence, three Killer Eggs is still a useful contriution.  :dunno:

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Not an army guy but doesn't a QRF need some sort of armour and air support?

Like in 'Blackhawk Down'?

Yeah, it's probably a good idea.
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Well I guess we just found a role for the TAPV's perhaps with some LAV 6's to give them heavier firepower?

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Well I guess we just found a role for the TAPV's perhaps with some LAV 6's to give them heavier firepower?

Aaaaaaaannnnnnnd..... there's your slippery slope, right? :)
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Aaaaaaaannnnnnnd..... there's your slippery slope, right? :)

What did Kennedy say about Vietnam:

"It's like taking a drink (of alcohol), it tastes good and eventually you want more"

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I wonder if Prince Justin really understands the extra levels of stress he might be putting on female CAF members required to do more than their fair share, just to make sure that his quota is achieved.
Has anyone actually seen any staff checks or CFTPOs for Op PRESENCE that state they are specifically looking for a female member for "x" position?  I've seen a few MP staff checks and CFTPOs and none of them mentioned anything about having a specific gender requirement.

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Given that it appears the CAF personnel will be mainly at the base or on the helos it is hard to see how any percentage of female members will contribute to this goal in an official Forces tweet:
https://twitter.com/CanadianForces/status/1011689432095784960

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...The presence of women on peace support ops helps to empower women in host communities, reduces conflict and confrontation, makes UN forces more approachable and broadens mission skill sets...

Also:

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Canada’s National Action Plan on Women, Peace and Security
http://international.gc.ca/world-monde/issues_development-enjeux_developpement/gender_equality-egalite_sexes/national_action_plan_wps-plan_national_action_fps.aspx?lang=eng

Meanwhile see what Bundeswehr helo pilot has to say at link about zero contact with locals when with MINUSMA--scroll down to 2:20 on 1st video under "More from CBC News on Canada's Mali mission" https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/mali-bad-allies-canadian-troops-1.4720747

All factless virtue-signalling.

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Has anyone actually seen any staff checks or CFTPOs for Op PRESENCE that state they are specifically looking for a female member for "x" position?  I've seen a few MP staff checks and CFTPOs and none of them mentioned anything about having a specific gender requirement.

No, nor heard of any mention of that.

But, given our environment, I'd be surprised if we didn't naturally hit 15%, or even exceeded it and pushed the overall percentage higher. I don't think that it's even occurred to any of us to even consider the current gender ratio in our community. If we only had around 1%, say, women, they would stand out. It would also be noticeable if we had around 50%.

Gender is truly irrelevant here. We're short of both, not one or the other.

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Given that it appears the CAF personnel will be mainly at the base or on the helos it is hard to see how any percentage of female members will contribute to this goal in an official Forces tweet:
https://twitter.com/CanadianForces/status/1011689432095784960

Unless of course the stated goal for the mission, and inherent ask from the UN, was to have 15% of Staff Officer positions female, and we hit just shy of that mark....
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More to the topic title, should we perhaps not now  consider a re-titling of the topic?  After all, the Canadian Army is only seven (7) years into reconstitution...


...just sayin’...


:2c:

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More to the topic title, should we perhaps not now  consider a re-titling of the topic?  After all, the Canadian Army is only seven (7) years into reconstitution...


...just sayin’...


:2c:

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Forgot to add:

#RCAFpullingtheweightinAfrica

By Air to Battle!

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Forgot to add:

#RCAFpullingtheweightinAfrica

By Air to Battle!

Let me know when the RCAF Light Infantry gets stood up. I'm in!

It's all been done before, of course:

"During World War II, the German Air Force (Luftwaffe) raised a variety of airborne light infantry (Fallschirmjäger) units. The Luftwaffe built up a division-sized unit of three Fallschirmjäger regiments plus supporting arms and air assets, known as the 7th Flieger Division." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallschirmj%C3%A4ger
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Let me know when the RCAF Light Infantry gets stood up. I'm in!

It's all been done before, of course:

"During World War II, the German Air Force (Luftwaffe) raised a variety of airborne light infantry (Fallschirmjäger) units. The Luftwaffe built up a division-sized unit of three Fallschirmjäger regiments plus supporting arms and air assets, known as the 7th Flieger Division." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallschirmj%C3%A4ger

 For the love of god man! Don't give them any ideas.
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Forgot to add:

#RCAFpullingtheweightinAfrica

By Air to Battle!

How do you think Canada is attaining its almost 15% goal of females deployed?

According to Murray Brewster of CBC most women join the RCAF and RCN so there you have it! ;D





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More to the topic title, should we perhaps not now  consider a re-titling of the topic?  After all, the Canadian Army is only seven (7) years into reconstitution...


...just sayin’...


:2c:

Regards
G2G

Topic Title edited for accuracy

 ;D

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Let me know when the RCAF Light Infantry gets stood up. I'm in!

It's all been done before, of course:

"During World War II, the German Air Force (Luftwaffe) raised a variety of airborne light infantry (Fallschirmjäger) units. The Luftwaffe built up a division-sized unit of three Fallschirmjäger regiments plus supporting arms and air assets, known as the 7th Flieger Division." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallschirmj%C3%A4ger

I've briefly worked with a few of these guys.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Regiment

Note that they will be taking in women before their Army infantry units do.

Also note that their NCOs wear sky blue sashes instead of the red and crimson of the infantry.
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