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Seems a thread on the requirement for women's kit has turned into the 10 thousandth Army Boot Thread where boot allowances etc have already been discussed, debated, answered many times before.  Suggest those posts get cut over to one of those available threads.

The need to actually consider real women when coming up with kit is not limited short or compact ones nor just to the add-on kit.

Back in the day the tunic I was issued actually WAS a woman's tunic. Cut, styled and sized for women. 

Somewhere along the way some man (who no doubt assumed he was doing us wee-women a favor and acting in our best interests) decided that we women had to have pockets and all the extra material they entail added onto the chests of our female CAF tunics ... so we would look like the men (word up: we are NOT).

We now have combat pants that are straight cut at the hips (ie: men's cut) with zero allowance for any real curves.

We have combat shirts and rain jackets with no allowances for curves and/or hips, so females like me who nature has cursed with hips, butt, boobs  instead of the normal inverted triangle measurements of the male have to wear shirts huge on the top/long on the sleeves so they actually accommodate our butts  and/or hips.  Or walk around with the zippers on the bottom sides of the ran jacket undone to accommodate our *** but not be swimming up top.

We get to always have a belt on so that we can bunch up that extra and unneeded 6 7 or 8 inches of material at our waists so that we could accommodate our *** or hips. THAT'S some comfortable all day I tell you.

And, on the DEU front because of the pockets, some of us women now get to decide every parade whether we line our medals up with the pocket top like they should be only to have the medals then jut out from our chests and hang at an awkward angle so guys can say, "your medals are on crooked." or put the medals on so that they hang straight (my personal option) and still look unprofessional because the pocket now looks crooked sewn onto my tunic because the medals are hung on an angle not in line with the pocket top.

I have no issues with the DEU pants ... because it's the ONE piece of kit that still actually has a female version (altough I hate the pleats - they serve only to add extra material ensuring all women wearing them also look fatter than they actually are).  Women who are less naturally curves have the option of ordering male DEU pants and there's nothing wrong with that either..

And I saw a message recently that allGOs And CWO in SA are now going to wear the forge cap (a nan's head-dress) regardless of sex. 

Want to attract women? Remember that we ARE women and acknowledge the fact that it's OK for our tunic to look different from the man's because we aren't shaped like men! Get rid of the upper pockets. Get rid of the fattening pleats in the pants,  but keep the female adjustable cut and for crying out loud keep the seamed pleat down the back of our DEU pants so that us women who are not fat, yet have curves measurements to fit into our clothing!
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Seems a thread on the requirement for women's kit has turned into the 10 thousandth Army Boot Thread where boot allowances etc have already been discussed, debated, answered many times before.  Suggest those posts get cut over to one of those available threads.

The need to actually consider real women when coming up with kit is not limited short or compact ones nor just to the add-on kit.

Back in the day the tunic I was issued actually WAS a woman's tunic. Cut, styled and sized for women. 

Somewhere along the way some man (who no doubt assumed he was doing us wee-women a favor and acting in our best interests) decided that we women had to have pockets and all the extra material they entail added onto the chests of our female CAF tunics ... so we would look like the men (word up: we are NOT).

We now have combat pants that are straight cut at the hips (ie: men's cut) with zero allowance for any real curves.

We have combat shirts and rain jackets with no allowances for curves and/or hips, so females like me who nature has cursed with hips, butt, boobs  instead of the normal inverted triangle measurements of the male have to wear shirts huge on the top/long on the sleeves so they actually accommodate our butts  and/or hips.  Or walk around with the zippers on the bottom sides of the ran jacket undone to accommodate our *** but not be swimming up top.

We get to always have a belt on so that we can bunch up that extra and unneeded 6 7 or 8 inches of material at our waists so that we could accommodate our *** or hips. THAT'S some comfortable all day I tell you.

And, on the DEU front because of the pockets, some of us women now get to decide every parade whether we line our medals up with the pocket top like they should be only to have the medals then jut out from our chests and hang at an awkward angle so guys can say, "your medals are on crooked." or put the medals on so that they hang straight (my personal option) and still look unprofessional because the pocket now looks crooked sewn onto my tunic because the medals are hung on an angle not in line with the pocket top.

I have no issues with the DEU pants ... because it's the ONE piece of kit that still actually has a female version (altough I hate the pleats - they serve only to add extra material ensuring all women wearing them also look fatter than they actually are).  Women who are less naturally curves have the option of ordering male DEU pants and there's nothing wrong with that either..

And I saw a message recently that allGOs And CWO in SA are now going to wear the forge cap (a nan's head-dress) regardless of sex. 

Want to attract women? Remember that we ARE women and acknowledge the fact that it's OK for our tunic to look different from the man's because we aren't shaped like men! Get rid of the upper pockets. Get rid of the fattening pleats in the pants,  but keep the female adjustable cut and for crying out loud keep the seamed pleat down the back of our DEU pants so that us women who are not fat, yet have curves measurements to fit into our clothing!

A good example of the way that uniforms were fitted differently in the 'good old days'.

Danjanou should recognize a couple of the 'Old Contemptibles' in this 1974 photo ;)
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