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Legal Pot for Canada (and the taxes from it)
« on: April 14, 2017, 15:16:24 »
We're taxing the new legal weed. Sounds like a great place to find $5B to bring us up to a respectable budget.

Not that much I think. The intention is to make it affordable so people won't turn to the black market. Hell you have to be 19 for a drink but 18 to get high.
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Re: Legal Pot for Canada (and the taxes from it)
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2017, 15:36:48 »
Not that much I think. The intention is to make it affordable so people won't turn to the black market. Hell you have to be 19 for a drink but 18 to get high.

The age is not set in the legislation - age will be set by each province and territory separately
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Re: Legal Pot for Canada (and the taxes from it)
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2017, 15:41:46 »
The age is not set in the legislation - age will be set by each province and territory separately

Interesting, hopefully not less than 19 then.
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Re: Legal Pot for Canada (and the taxes from it)
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2017, 15:53:28 »
Interesting, hopefully not less than 19 then.

If it is tied or matched to the Provincial Liquor Legislations on age limits, then you may see some provinces legislating for 18 years of age.
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Re: Legal Pot for Canada (and the taxes from it)
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2017, 16:02:41 »
I would have liked to see the federal legislation set a minimum age from which provinces could establish their own older thresholds.

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Re: Legal Pot for Canada (and the taxes from it)
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2017, 16:15:13 »
I would have liked to see the federal legislation set a minimum age from which provinces could establish their own older thresholds.

There have been medical studies that could justify that, if the Government would find such legislation necessary.  I, however, feel that the Liberal Government will ignore medical research and go for the "votes" instead.
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Re: Legal Pot for Canada (and the taxes from it)
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2017, 16:15:26 »
The age is not set in the legislation - age will be set by each province and territory separately

Not completely true.  The federal government set a minimum age of 18, so there is age in the legislation, just the room for each province to set a higher limit as they see fit.

I see this as allowing provinces to set the age as it does for alcohol, which I suspect will allow them to sell in their respective liquor distribution systems; but time will tell.

Overall, good first start, I look forward to seeing the amendments at committee!

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Re: Legal Pot for Canada (and the taxes from it)
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2017, 16:16:34 »
I would have liked to see the federal legislation set a minimum age from which provinces could establish their own older thresholds.

The legislation does state a minimum age of 18, and allowing for the provinces to have higher thresholds.

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Re: Legal Pot for Canada (and the taxes from it)
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2017, 17:28:40 »
Part of the argument for legalization is to remove the criminal element from the equation.  There will always be criminal involvement, as long as 13 year old kids want to get high, so you're not really removing them, just changing their target demographic.
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Re: Legal Pot for Canada (and the taxes from it)
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2017, 17:33:54 »
Does this mean drug testing for the military is going away, as the drug stays in your system from 10 to 90 days depending on frequency unlike alcohol.
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Re: Legal Pot for Canada (and the taxes from it)
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2017, 17:50:20 »
Does this mean drug testing for the military is going away, as the drug stays in your system from 10 to 90 days depending on frequency unlike alcohol.

I don't think so. I think there's scope in the NDA to proscribe marijuana, under the "not prescribed by a qualified medical provider" perspective.

I'm also not convinced that the "it's legal" or even the alcohol is legal argument is entirely valid, given how little we still know about the drug.
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Re: Legal Pot for Canada (and the taxes from it)
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2017, 17:55:43 »
I don't think so. I think there's scope in the NDA to proscribe marijuana, under the "not prescribed by a qualified medical provider" perspective.

Interesting I have heard more than one conversation at work saying they will be using when the new laws come into affect.
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Re: Legal Pot for Canada (and the taxes from it)
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2017, 19:40:05 »
Interesting I have heard more than one conversation at work saying they will be using when the new laws come into affect.

Interesting.  If they use the "alcohol is legal" argument, they seem to then be forgetting that alcohol is not tolerated in the work place.  Alcohol use while not in the work place is tolerated.  The same concept should then be applied by these folks.....Should it not?
 
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Re: Legal Pot for Canada (and the taxes from it)
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2017, 20:10:15 »
Interesting.  If they use the "alcohol is legal" argument, they seem to then be forgetting that alcohol is not tolerated in the work place.  Alcohol use while not in the work place is tolerated.  The same concept should then be applied by these folks.....Should it not?

When I say they will use, then I would assume at home just like having a drink. What about on ship alongside in a foreign port? There's all kinds of questions to be answered in regards to the military being allowed to use.
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Re: Legal Pot for Canada (and the taxes from it)
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2017, 20:23:56 »
What about on ship alongside in a foreign port?

In some countries, Japan for example, that could result in a long jail term.
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Re: Legal Pot for Canada (and the taxes from it)
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2017, 20:29:48 »
You just know that there's going to be someone who forgets that possession is still illegal in many countries.
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Re: Legal Pot for Canada (and the taxes from it)
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2017, 22:52:38 »
Interesting.  If they use the "alcohol is legal" argument, they seem to then be forgetting that alcohol is not tolerated in the work place.  Alcohol use while not in the work place is tolerated.  The same concept should then be applied by these folks.....Should it not?

The using "alcohol is legal" argument is a red herring and distracts and diverts attention away from the discussion about marijuana and legalization.

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Re: Legal Pot for Canada (and the taxes from it)
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2017, 08:47:05 »
I'm waiting for what they're going to set as legal limits for intoxication - there are a couple states in the US that actually have legislated blood levels that define intoxication for driving,flying, etc.  Can't wait to see the looks on faces when they're pulled over for driving stoned.

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Re: Legal Pot for Canada (and the taxes from it)
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2017, 08:53:57 »
All the jibber-jabber aside....I think we as a society will rue the day this comes about.... :(
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Re: Legal Pot for Canada (and the taxes from it)
« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2017, 09:17:47 »
I'm waiting for what they're going to set as legal limits for intoxication - there are a couple states in the US that actually have legislated blood levels that define intoxication for driving,flying, etc.  Can't wait to see the looks on faces when they're pulled over for driving stoned.

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Three new drug-related offences will be also be created for drivers who have consumed drugs within two hours of driving. A driver who is found to have two nanograms but less than five nanograms of THC per millilitre of blood could face a maximum fine of up to $1,000 (THC is the primary psychoactive found in cannabis). A driver who has a blood level of more than five nanograms of THC, or has been drinking alcohol and smoking pot at the same time, will face a fine and the possibility of jail time. In more serious cases, a drug-impaired driver could face up to 10 years if convicted.

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Re: Legal Pot for Canada (and the taxes from it)
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2017, 09:23:16 »
If it is tied or matched to the Provincial Liquor Legislations on age limits, then you may see some provinces legislating for 18 years of age.

I remember when the legal drinking age in Ontario was 21.

Was lowering it a "social improvement"? I wonder if the same question could apply to marijuana, if / when they make it legal?






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Re: Legal Pot for Canada (and the taxes from it)
« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2017, 11:19:07 »
The using "alcohol is legal" argument is a red herring and distracts and diverts attention away from the discussion about marijuana and legalization.

It is one argument that those advocating legalization of marijuana always pull out, red herring or not.  They want to equate the legalization of marijuana to a commonly accepted substance that is already legal.  They figure a precedence has already been made with alcohol, and should apply just as equally to marijuana.  They will not recognize this as being "apples and oranges".

They will also reject or ignore any medical studies that discuss the damage caused to brain development before the ages of 21, and any studies that cover cases of paranoia and schizophrenia.  Their focus is solely on the beneficial aspects of the marijuana, ignoring any harmful consequences that could occur. 

With the passage of the legislation to legalize marijuana, I can foresee a rush by many who currently do not indulge, to experiment with it out of curiosity.  The first few months should prove interesting on supply and demand.
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Re: Legal Pot for Canada (and the taxes from it)
« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2017, 11:20:49 »
I am not a fan of setting the legal age for the use of substances above the age you legally become an adult and can vote. The idea that the state views you as being mature enough to be able to vote and help change the direction of the country, yet not mature enough to make a personal decision seems backwards.

The further we keep pushing back the age where adults become responsible for their own choices the longer we have adult children who will never take responsibility for their actions/choices. This is a massive problem in universities and colleges. Compare the average dude two years after they started working full-time right out of high school and the average dude who is in second year at university. I think you'll find some seriously lacking character qualities in the university guy (not saying there won't be any in the other young full-time worker).

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Re: Legal Pot for Canada (and the taxes from it)
« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2017, 11:49:48 »
I am not a fan of setting the legal age for the use of substances above the age you legally become an adult and can vote. The idea that the state views you as being mature enough to be able to vote and help change the direction of the country, yet not mature enough to make a personal decision seems backwards.

The further we keep pushing back the age where adults become responsible for their own choices the longer we have adult children who will never take responsibility for their actions/choices. This is a massive problem in universities and colleges. Compare the average dude two years after they started working full-time right out of high school and the average dude who is in second year at university. I think you'll find some seriously lacking character qualities in the university guy (not saying there won't be any in the other young full-time worker).

So we should totally ignore the fact that scientific research has found that the human brain is still in a state of development into the early 20's, just because we have decided that a person legally becomes an "adult" at an earlier age?
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Re: Legal Pot for Canada (and the taxes from it)
« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2017, 11:57:14 »
Well George by that argument we should bump the voting age higher, after all voting is a very important decision and we wouldn't want people without a fully developed brain to contribute to such an important decision.