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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #250 on: May 23, 2018, 09:55:47 »
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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #251 on: May 23, 2018, 10:03:32 »
I suspect the RCAF will not be allowed to restrict it totally, but will be able to restrict it by trade or position, like the RCN is proposing for divers and submariners.  Anyone in a certain trade or trade/position combination will be restricted.  Is it necessary, though, for say a Supply tech working the counter at Wg Clothing to have the same restrictions as aircrew in active flying positions or techs fixing aircraft?  I think it will be aligned more to 'anyone conducting or directly supporting flying operations', which in itself is a fairly wide net on a Wing. 

I've never heard the term 'we fight from our Wings' before. 
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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #252 on: June 19, 2018, 20:25:15 »
Senate passes cannabis legalization bill in final vote
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/senate-passes-cannabis-legalization-bill-in-final-vote-1.3980234

Still some steps before it's in place, but guess that means the official policy will be out soon?

Curious to see what they do; I can see restricting it, but only for certain positions (same as they do for alcohol).  Would be pretty stupid to blanket restrict it for a trade, as there are a bunch riding desks in HQs that would probably love to be flying/jumping out of airplanes/diving etc.

Would be funny if the implementation coincided with updated dress regs that allowed goatees and man buns though.  Maybe they should try some cannabis to calm their nerves?  ;D

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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #253 on: June 19, 2018, 21:37:51 »
On the Navy side.  The scuttlebutt is that if you are posted to a ship.  There will be 0 tolerance on the use of cannabis.  And the only time you would be able to use it if you are posted ashore.  I am sure there will be direction incoming from the CDS in the coming days though.

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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #254 on: June 19, 2018, 21:59:18 »
On the Navy side.  The scuttlebutt is that if you are posted to a ship.  There will be 0 tolerance on the use of cannabis.  And the only time you would be able to use it if you are posted ashore.  I am sure there will be direction incoming from the CDS in the coming days though.

I can't see it being as broad as restricting it to all ship positions. I would guess restricted to ready duty ship personnel, ships under 48 hours (possibly changed to 72 hours) notice, and foreign ports. Although a foreign port news story is one we are destined to see.

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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #255 on: June 19, 2018, 23:31:43 »
I can't see it being as broad as restricting it to all ship positions. I would guess restricted to ready duty ship personnel, ships under 48 hours (possibly changed to 72 hours) notice, and foreign ports. Although a foreign port news story is one we are destined to see.

I could see it being banned to all posted to ships.

I could also see it being delegated to CO's discretion.

I could also see it being banned for use by all officers.

I could also see it banned for use by anyone in training.

I could also see it banned for everyone required to handle weapons.

I could see it banned for a motor different reasons; some to me that seem reasonable, and others that I don't. Until we hear more, it's all just conjecture and scuttlebutt.
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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #256 on: June 20, 2018, 19:07:27 »
I'm already seeing the barrack room lawyers talking about redressing their C&Ps for being caught with marijuana and how happy they are its legal.

We're just finding the balance now between folks who had liquor bottles in their desks at work and prohibition, can't wait until troops starting showing up stoned. :facepalm:

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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #257 on: June 21, 2018, 00:58:26 »
I'm already seeing the barrack room lawyers talking about redressing their C&Ps for being caught with marijuana and how happy they are its legal.

We're just finding the balance now between folks who had liquor bottles in their desks at work and prohibition, can't wait until troops starting showing up stoned. :facepalm:

Some interesting times ahead for the next little bit and I am not looking forward to any of it.

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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #258 on: June 21, 2018, 09:13:25 »
I'm already seeing the barrack room lawyers talking about redressing their C&Ps for being caught with marijuana and how happy they are its legal.

We're just finding the balance now between folks who had liquor bottles in their desks at work and prohibition, can't wait until troops starting showing up stoned. :facepalm:

Or not showing up stoned, but showing up with a pot "hangover" from spending the entire night getting ripped with half the section.

I'm equally interested to see what the actual rules are as I am to hear anecdotes of different chains of command applying the rules differently.

We've discussed on a lot of different threads how different CO's, bases, etc... have local rules that don't necessarily give with national policy (like weekend leave passes, or BORDEN ordering naval personnel not to wear ball-caps). I know lots of senior officers who are extremely anti-drug (and even anti-alcohol), and I'm curious to hear the stories of one unit on one base having a different policy than the CO of another unit on the same base, because I'm sure it will happen.
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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #259 on: June 21, 2018, 09:22:07 »
Now that it is passed and Trudeau says it coming in a few months, why not just wait and see what the CDS puts out. Speculation creates misinformation. I'm sure with the timelines, it won't be long in coming.
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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #260 on: June 22, 2018, 12:34:10 »
On the Navy side.  The scuttlebutt is that if you are posted to a ship.  There will be 0 tolerance on the use of cannabis:rofl: And the only time you would be able to use it if you are posted ashore.  I am sure there will be direction incoming from the CDS in the coming days though.

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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #261 on: August 16, 2018, 11:08:53 »
There's a "CDS Trip Report" from his visit to Halifax that says:

"During each session, the CDS outline teh new CAF policy on cannabis based on the 8/24/28/0 framework."

Does anyone know what the "8/24/28/0 framework" is and can you elaborate? (I wasn't at any of these sessions)
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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #262 on: August 16, 2018, 11:17:29 »
No clue.  Maybe the hours before you can use the stuff based on what you are doing.  8 hours before regular work. 24 hours before anything dangerous. 28 days before deploying and 0 if deployed or operational or something along those lines.

As mentioned this is just speculation.

This is the only official info out there.

https://ml-fd.caf-fac.ca/en/2018/07/16611
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