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Re: Def Min's "Architect" Statements (split fm Walts et. al.)
« Reply #150 on: May 04, 2017, 13:04:30 »
No matter how much people currently dislike the Minister...... it's not Leslie.  ;)

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Re: Def Min's "Architect" Statements (split fm Walts et. al.)
« Reply #151 on: May 04, 2017, 13:30:29 »
I think I detect a lot of political party bias kicking in here.  [:D Possibly from all the parties.
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Re: Def Min's "Architect" Statements (split fm Walts et. al.)
« Reply #152 on: May 04, 2017, 13:32:59 »
No matter how much people currently dislike the Minister...... it's not Leslie.  ;)

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Re: Def Min's "Architect" Statements (split fm Walts et. al.)
« Reply #153 on: May 04, 2017, 13:36:34 »
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No matter how much people currently dislike the Minister...... it's not Leslie.  ;)

Yet.
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Re: Def Min's "Architect" Statements (split fm Walts et. al.)
« Reply #154 on: May 04, 2017, 13:38:53 »
Thank God......

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Re: Def Min's "Architect" Statements (split fm Walts et. al.)
« Reply #155 on: May 04, 2017, 13:39:00 »
No matter how much people currently dislike the Minister...... it's not Leslie.  ;)

Yet. Who do you think is the next liberalogical choice if The Great Architecht steps down over this?
Apparently, a "USUAL SUSPECT"

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Re: Def Min's "Architect" Statements (split fm Walts et. al.)
« Reply #156 on: May 04, 2017, 13:50:54 »
Yet. Who do you think is the next liberalogical choice if The Great Architecht steps down over this?

My money's on Judy Foote.
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Re: Def Min's "Architect" Statements (split fm Walts et. al.)
« Reply #157 on: May 04, 2017, 13:57:36 »
Yet.
So young to be so cynical  ;D

That said, I have to agree - never say never ...
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Re: Def Min's "Architect" Statements (split fm Walts et. al.)
« Reply #158 on: May 04, 2017, 15:11:16 »
Yet. Who do you think is the next liberalogical choice if The Great Architecht steps down over this?
karen mccrimmon?
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Re: Def Min's "Architect" Statements (split fm Walts et. al.)
« Reply #159 on: May 04, 2017, 15:28:05 »
Yet. Who do you think is the next liberalogical choice if The Great Architecht steps down over this?

Maryam Monsef  [:p

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Re: Def Min's "Architect" Statements (split fm Walts et. al.)
« Reply #160 on: May 04, 2017, 15:45:11 »
I guess we just can't slap 6 months of extra duties on the MND and be done with it?

As for him being a yes man, I suspect everyone in Cabinet will fit that description to a point, for all we know he might be doing a decent job of defending the military despite the best efforts of the rest of Cabinet to stick a knife into them. We knew the Liberals where going to repeat the decade of darkness, we hoped he could put up a good fight and make them see reason, I suspect that they will use him as the lightening rod for all the problems of the CF and let him be consumed by it. After all he is hardly part of the core Liberal heart, being a west coaster and being different.

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Re: Def Min's "Architect" Statements (split fm Walts et. al.)
« Reply #161 on: May 04, 2017, 16:10:09 »
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As for him being a yes man, I suspect everyone in Cabinet will fit that description to a point,  ...

I presume with time everyone becomes a "yes man" when there's such a thing as a "party whip"  ;D

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« Reply #162 on: May 04, 2017, 21:28:21 »
After the defence policy is published with or without dollars, we will know whether or not he was effective as MND. Until then, we now know he's not perfect vet. If he had had his foot on a bar rail, no notice would have been made of the remark.

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Re: Def Min's "Architect" Statements (split fm Walts et. al.)
« Reply #163 on: May 04, 2017, 21:46:41 »
If he had had his foot on a bar rail, no notice would have been made of the remark.

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Re: Def Min's "Architect" Statements (split fm Walts et. al.)
« Reply #164 on: May 04, 2017, 22:21:02 »
And if me auntie had bollocks she'd be me uncle.  He said it where and when everyone was likely to get wind of it. Fluffing up your feathers in the mess over a few G ant Ts and a polite game of cabbage football is not what he did. Decorum and all that, dear boy.
Apparently, a "USUAL SUSPECT"

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Re: Def Min's "Architect" Statements (split fm Walts et. al.)
« Reply #165 on: May 04, 2017, 23:53:55 »
After the defence policy is published with or without dollars, we will know whether or not he was effective as MND. Until then, we now know he's not perfect vet. If he had had his foot on a bar rail, no notice would have been made of the remark.

He lied to an international audience of government officials while acting as a representative of the Canadian government. More than once if I read things correctly. That's the bottom line no matter how people try to slice it. His valour and commitment are not in question. It seems to me people are upset about his integrity, which is understandable.
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Re: Def Min's "Architect" Statements (split fm Walts et. al.)
« Reply #166 on: May 05, 2017, 01:17:19 »
He lied to an international audience of government officials while acting as a representative of the Canadian government. More than once if I read things correctly. That's the bottom line no matter how people try to slice it. His valour and commitment are not in question. It seems to me people are upset about his integrity, which is understandable.

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Re: Def Min's "Architect" Statements (split fm Walts et. al.)
« Reply #167 on: May 05, 2017, 01:32:58 »
“Mine honor is my life; both grow in one.
Take honor from me, and my life is done.”

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Seeing as we're quoting Shakespeare, perhaps Macbeth Act 5 Scene 5

I'll let you guess at the part I mean.
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Re: Def Min's "Architect" Statements (split fm Walts et. al.)
« Reply #168 on: May 05, 2017, 01:48:08 »
Seeing as we're quoting Shakespeare, perhaps Macbeth Act 5 Scene 5

I'll let you guess at the part I mean.

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Re: Def Min's "Architect" Statements (split fm Walts et. al.)
« Reply #169 on: May 05, 2017, 06:47:46 »
If he had had his foot on a bar rail, no notice would have been made of the remark.

There are many things that many of us have said with a foot on a bar rail that, if said in a public venue, would have had severe consequences.

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Re: Def Min's "Architect" Statements (split fm Walts et. al.)
« Reply #170 on: May 05, 2017, 10:23:43 »
He lied to an international audience of government officials while acting as a representative of the Canadian government. More than once if I read things correctly ...
Once internationally, once (at laeast) nationally ...
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Re: Def Min's "Architect" Statements (split fm Walts et. al.)
« Reply #171 on: May 05, 2017, 10:28:01 »
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Re: Def Min's "Architect" Statements (split fm Walts et. al.)
« Reply #172 on: May 05, 2017, 11:19:06 »
I have refrained on this one -

I am not a Liberal fan but rereading the start of this thread got me to thinking again.

Sajjan, in India says that he was "the Architect of the Operation"

Apparently, if we can believe him, he gained the phrase from a compliment the CDS paid him.

In terms of that compliment, it seems to me that, rather than the tactical planning of the operation he was specific, in the first instance, of claiming credit for shaping the battlefield through gaining the trust of the locals and thereby gaining intelligence that informed, and may even have prompted the decision to launch, Operation Medusa. 

The actual Operation itself would be still to the credit of all of the Commanders and Planners and Operators that made Medusa a success.

It seems to me that he may have a case for being one of the thousand fathers of a successful operation, and may even have a case for being seminal, if the CDS's compliment can be taken at face value.

On the other hand, it's never appropriate to blow your own horn.  Despite the influence of politicians.

My sympathies are with the MND on this one.
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Re: Def Min's "Architect" Statements (split fm Walts et. al.)
« Reply #173 on: May 05, 2017, 11:33:18 »
I have refrained on this one -

I am not a Liberal fan but rereading the start of this thread got me to thinking again.

Sajjan, in India says that he was "the Architect of the Operation"

Apparently, if we can believe him, he gained the phrase from a compliment the CDS paid him.

In terms of that compliment, it seems to me that, rather than the tactical planning of the operation he was specific, in the first instance, of claiming credit for shaping the battlefield through gaining the trust of the locals and thereby gaining intelligence that informed, and may even have prompted the decision to launch, Operation Medusa. 

The actual Operation itself would be still to the credit of all of the Commanders and Planners and Operators that made Medusa a success.

It seems to me that he may have a case for being one of the thousand fathers of a successful operation, and may even have a case for being seminal, if the CDS's compliment can be taken at face value.

On the other hand, it's never appropriate to blow your own horn.  Despite the influence of politicians.

My sympathies are with the MND on this one.



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Re: Def Min's "Architect" Statements (split fm Walts et. al.)
« Reply #174 on: May 05, 2017, 12:24:42 »
It seems to me that he may have a case for being one of the thousand fathers of a successful operation

Yes. Agreed.

Had he said "an" instead of "the", most likely nothing much would have been said. Such a claim might not be strictly correct, but it would be easily defensible if it was even noticed.