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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #75 on: August 19, 2017, 21:29:59 »
We could build a wall...
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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #76 on: August 19, 2017, 22:04:25 »
We could build a wall...

That is the only other solution - a solution, given the costs of the wall on the southern US border, that would run into the hundreds of billions.  I'd just rather hire more cops and immigration investigators and get these people sorted more quickly.

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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #77 on: August 19, 2017, 22:34:29 »
That is the only other solution - a solution, given the costs of the wall on the southern US border, that would run into the hundreds of billions.  I'd just rather hire more cops and immigration investigators and get these people sorted more quickly.
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Bring them in, arrest them, let them go, sort them out, send half of them to Haiti.

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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #78 on: August 20, 2017, 07:21:49 »
Send all of them back to Haiti.  Then tell them to get in line like everybody else if they want to return.
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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #79 on: August 20, 2017, 08:47:23 »
We could build a wall...

We should build it out of snow and ice so it'll be a seasonal work project.
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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #80 on: August 20, 2017, 09:17:35 »
We should build it out of snow and ice so it'll be a seasonal work project.

Then, the workers can go on poggy between seasons.  The perfect Canadian project.  ;D

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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #81 on: August 20, 2017, 10:08:35 »
Send all of them back to Haiti.  Then tell them to get in line like everybody else if they want to return.

Doesn't work that way. 

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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #82 on: August 20, 2017, 10:20:49 »
The only people who can stop that are the Americans on their side of the border.  There's nothing we can do to stop them from illegally crossing, other than arresting them upon entry, which we already are.

Are you serious?  Seriously; are you serious?

Why would the Americans stop people (not American citizens) from leaving the US?

What can we do to stop illegal crossings?  Do just that.....MAKE IT ILLEGAL and arrest them.  There is no reason for them to be fleeing either the US or Haiti other than ECONOMIC.  That does not qualify them as refugees.....That makes them Economic Migrants. 
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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #83 on: August 20, 2017, 11:17:03 »
No rules have been changed.  Nothing about the way this is or would have been handled has changed.

There you go with your hyperbole again.  Nothing?  Really?



I don't recall as a small child seeing RCMP with tents processing refugees along the US-Canada border at points other than official border crossing sites.

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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #84 on: August 20, 2017, 12:12:31 »
What can we do to stop illegal crossings?  Do just that.....MAKE IT ILLEGAL and arrest them.

Uhh, what do you think happens now?  That's exactly what happens.

There you go with your hyperbole again.  Nothing?  Really?

What has changed is the President.  When Obama and Trudeau were occupying office at the same time, you didn't see this. 

Nothing in the Canadian government response thus far would be different is Harper were still in office, other than rhetoric.  They cross the border, and we have to deal with it in the proper legal way.  That's what's being done right now.

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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #85 on: August 20, 2017, 12:34:38 »
We should build it out of snow and ice so it'll be a seasonal work project.
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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #86 on: August 20, 2017, 12:36:27 »
Uhh, what do you think happens now?  That's exactly what happens.

What has changed is the President.  When Obama and Trudeau were occupying office at the same time, you didn't see this. 

Nothing in the Canadian government response thus far would be different is Harper were still in office, other than rhetoric.  They cross the border, and we have to deal with it in the proper legal way.  That's what's being done right now.

Harper also wouldn't have said that, quite literally, everyone was welcome to come into Canada...so there's that.
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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #87 on: August 20, 2017, 12:54:12 »
Harper also wouldn't have said that, quite literally, everyone was welcome to come into Canada...so there's that.

Everyone is welcome - some conditions may apply.

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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #88 on: August 20, 2017, 13:45:36 »
Are you serious?  Seriously; are you serious?

Why would the Americans stop people (not American citizens) from leaving the US?

What can we do to stop illegal crossings?  Do just that.....MAKE IT ILLEGAL and arrest them.  There is no reason for them to be fleeing either the US or Haiti other than ECONOMIC.  That does not qualify them as refugees.....That makes them Economic Migrants.
they are arrested.

They are then released and get due process like any lawbreakers.

A lot of them will be sent back to Haiti, but those with legitimate claims will be allowed to stay as that's how it works under international law.
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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #89 on: August 20, 2017, 14:19:07 »
they are arrested.

They are then released and get due process like any lawbreakers.

A lot of them will be sent back to Haiti, but those with legitimate claims will be allowed to stay as that's how it works under international law.

And a lot of them will disappear into the Haitian community, never to be seen again.
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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #90 on: August 20, 2017, 15:26:09 »
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There you go with your hyperbole again.  Nothing?  Really?

What has changed is the President.  When Obama and Trudeau were occupying office at the same time, you didn't see this. 

Nothing in the Canadian government response thus far would be different is Harper were still in office, other than rhetoric.  They cross the border, and we have to deal with it in the proper legal way.  That's what's being done right now.

...other than the new greeting "arrest" centres set up along the border.

Nice redirect, as always.  Throw out a hyperbolic statement, then redirect when you are challenged on the hyperbole.  For others that's wrong, but for you it's okay?

Things have significantly changed, including how the Canadian Government handles the situation.

Did Trump set up this border stations and man them with RCMP? Perhaps in your world, but not in most's minds.

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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #91 on: August 20, 2017, 17:34:15 »
And a lot of them will disappear into the Haitian community, never to be seen again.
and you can offer proof of this happening?
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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #92 on: August 20, 2017, 18:39:31 »
and you can offer proof of this happening?

I seriously don't know why you asked this question.  It is a known fact, published in the MSM many times over the last few decades, of such instances taking place with not just Haitians, but all such "refugee claimants".   If you need to ask this question, it sounds more like you are trolling than actually contributing.
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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #93 on: August 20, 2017, 18:49:15 »
Asking for specific sources is valid.
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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #94 on: August 20, 2017, 19:49:03 »
Asking for specific sources is valid.

Agreed.

Not specific to Haitians but...

http://cnews.canoe.com/CNEWS/Canada/2017/03/18/22711503.html
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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #95 on: August 20, 2017, 20:57:25 »
Agreed.

Not specific to Haitians but...

http://cnews.canoe.com/CNEWS/Canada/2017/03/18/22711503.html

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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #96 on: August 21, 2017, 04:24:39 »
Maybe it's time for a Canadian version of I.C.E?
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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #97 on: August 21, 2017, 11:57:52 »
Did Trump set up this border stations and man them with RCMP? Perhaps in your world, but not in most's minds.

Do you think that Harper wouldn't have had the RCMP at the border to meet the illegal crossers?  There's no alternative, other than letting them cross unopposed.  Nothing would have been different under Harper (aside from language) and I stick by that assertion.

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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #98 on: August 21, 2017, 11:58:14 »
Maybe it's time for a Canadian version of I.C.E?

We have that - it's called the RCMP.

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Re: Illegal Border Crossing into Canada - Asylum Seekers
« Reply #99 on: August 21, 2017, 12:55:01 »
It's interesting reading up on the immigration process:

CBSA: Arrests, detentions and removals -  Removal from Canada

Government of Canada: Enforcement and violations

Government of Canada: Refugees and asylum

Government of Canada: Find out if you’re eligible – Refugee status from inside Canada

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•have been recognized as a Convention refugee by another country that you can return to.
•have already been granted protected person status in Canada.
•arrived via the Canada-United States border.
•are not admissible to Canada on security grounds, or because of criminal activity or human rights violations.
•made a previous refugee claim that was not found eligible.
•made a previous refugee claim that was rejected by the IRB.
•abandoned or withdrew a previous refugee claim.

The IRB website has more about making an asylum claim in Canada.
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