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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #950 on: March 03, 2018, 14:10:26 »
I saw the report you just posted. I wondered why The Western Producer didn't mention that fact.

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Agriculture Canada has informed us that kabuli chickpeas are exempt from today’s tariff increase.”

Thus I will remain skeptical as this government is not transparent nor honest.
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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #951 on: March 03, 2018, 14:22:26 »
Surely our government would not be so infantile as to believe lying would turn the tariffs into a non-issue, oh, wait . . .

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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #952 on: March 03, 2018, 14:23:34 »
I saw the report you just posted. I wondered why The Western Producer didn't mention that fact.

Thus I will remain skeptical as this government is not transparent nor honest.
Fake news eh?
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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #953 on: March 03, 2018, 14:29:04 »
https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/it-s-not-us-it-s-them-why-canada-has-nothing-to-do-with-india-s-new-chickpea-tariff-1.3826385

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India’s new chickpea tariff was presented by Conservatives Friday as another consequence of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s bungled trip to India. But industry insiders say the global trade measure has a built-in exemption for the specific type of chickpeas Canada exports to India.

To understand the issue, it’s important to understand that there are several types of chickpeas. In Canada, 95 per cent of our exported chickpeas to India are kabuli chickpeas, according to Gordon Bacon, CEO of Pulse Canada, a group that represents chickpea farmers.

India’s new tariff, which jumped to 60 per cent from 40 per cent, specifically targets desi chickpeas -- not kabuli chickpeas.

Another important figure: Canada only accounts for 2 per cent of India’s total chickpea imports.

Bacon suggested that, rather than retaliating against Canada, India is taking steps to protect its own farmers.

“We have to understand that India’s policy is driven by a decision within the Indian government to increase the level of price protection and support for Indian farmers,” he told CTV’s Power Play on Friday.

However, in question period, the debate did not delve into differentiating the two different types of chickpeas.

Instead, Conservative House Leader Candice Bergen specifically blamed Trudeau’s recent trade trip to India, which has been mired in controversy over how Jaspal Atwal, a B.C. Sikh convicted of trying to kill an Indian cabinet minister in 1986, was invited to an event.

An official within the Trudeau government suggested that factions within the Indian government arranged the invitation.

Bergen called the tariff “a clear signal that India is understandably upset and Canadian chickpea producers are the first to pay the price.”

Yes, lets suggest that it was the prime ministers trip to india that made india raise tariffs on 98 percent of the other sources of Chickpea imports.
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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #954 on: March 03, 2018, 15:13:12 »
https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/it-s-not-us-it-s-them-why-canada-has-nothing-to-do-with-india-s-new-chickpea-tariff-1.3826385
Yes, lets suggest that it was the prime ministers trip to india that made india raise tariffs on 98 percent of the other sources of Chickpea imports.

You said it first.   :whistle:

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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #955 on: March 03, 2018, 15:26:34 »
You said it first.   :whistle:
no i didn't

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Instead, Conservative House Leader Candice Bergen specifically blamed Trudeau’s recent trade trip to India
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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #956 on: March 03, 2018, 18:52:36 »
Fake news eh?

No, it's not Fake News. It is the government stating that the tariffs will not apply to Cdn producers. Whether that is true or not remains to be seen.

Fake News is a event/non -event/incident/story/etc fabricated by the news media.
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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #957 on: March 03, 2018, 19:01:04 »
The plot thickens!

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B.C. Liberal MP now says he didn’t invite Atwal

By Kelsey Johnson. Published on Mar 3, 2018 5:18pm

A Liberal MP from British Columbia says he didn’t invite convicted attempted murderer Jaspal Atwal to a reception attended by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in India – despite having previously taken sole responsibility for the invitation.

“I didn’t invite the person,” Randeep Sarai said of Atwal in an interview with his riding’s local newspaper, The Surrey Now Leader. Atwal, a Sikh extremist, was found guilty of trying to assassinate an Indian cabinet minister in 1986.

Canadian officials eventually revoked Atwal’s invitation to the reception put on by the Canadian High Commission after media reports revealed he had been formally invited – but not before Atwal had been photographed beside the prime minister’s wife, Sophie Trudeau, and one of his cabinet ministers, Infrastructure Minister Amarjeet Sohi, at an earlier event.

At the time, Sarai said in a statement it was his choice alone to include Atwal on the guest list and he realized afterwards that he exercised poor judgement in doing so. This past week, Sarai resigned as the chair of the Liberals’ B.C. caucus over the incident.

Now, in his first interview since the incident, Sarai told The Surrey Now Leader that Atwal was among more than two dozen people who had expressed interest in attending the reception. His office simply passed on the names of any interested party to the event’s organizers.

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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #958 on: March 03, 2018, 19:36:17 »
Oh, there's definitely some thickness involved in these Member's of Parliament.

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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #959 on: March 03, 2018, 20:50:05 »
Rick Mercer's take on the issue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN4cCNNDHA4
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« Reply #960 on: March 03, 2018, 20:58:26 »
And Mark Critch of This Hour Has 22 Minutes.

https://youtu.be/BbmHVnA0JLg

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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #961 on: March 05, 2018, 22:15:59 »
In the "Shocked. Shocked!" department, noted political hot potato Jaspal Atwal posted online images of his security passes to parliament hill... as a visitor of Conservative MPs Devinder Shory, Parm Gill and Bal Gosal.

https://twitter.com/PMLaurier/status/970762630616018944
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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #962 on: March 06, 2018, 00:15:41 »
........and even Warren Kinsella chimes in and takes the PM to the woodshed. You can't get much further left and liberal than Kinsella.

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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #963 on: March 06, 2018, 08:09:37 »
...and even Warren Kinsella chimes in...
Now that  was funny!   :nod:
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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #964 on: March 06, 2018, 09:17:13 »
What is sad is that it will all be forgotten and forgiven in two years and dedicated liberals will vote on mass for he and his party. 

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« Reply #965 on: March 06, 2018, 11:03:35 »
What is sad is that it will all be forgotten and forgiven in two years and dedicated liberals will vote on mass for he and his party.

You assume. Liberals have been tossed out before: it all depends on what comes next, and how many people they piss off. Buggering up the economy would be a swamp for them. (And they see that too, which is no doubt why they have consulted Tory expertise in their attempts to defend a Tory NAFTA policy against Trump)

There are swing voters of various types (Red Tories like me, for example) who are thinking more and more each day that if the Tories can get a reasonable platform together, and generate some more confidence in their leader, we might just vote PC (again ;D)
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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #966 on: March 06, 2018, 12:51:51 »
........and even Warren Kinsella chimes in and takes the PM to the woodshed. You can't get much further left and liberal than Kinsella.

Apologies if posted elsewhere.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156310197768945&id=510623944&ref=bookmarks

He is a frequent guest on "Charles Adler Tonight" on Corus talk radio stations in Western Canada and Ontario.  Since I started listening frequently last fall (when Morneau was rolling out the changes to small business taxes), Kinsella has been very critical of the Liberals.  I haven't seen Kinsella this critical of the Grits since his old boss, Chretien, was pushed out by Martin's caucus putsch.
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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #967 on: March 06, 2018, 13:02:52 »
I haven't seen Kinsella this critical of the Grits since his old boss, Chretien, was pushed out by Martin's caucus putsch.

Damn those people who just won't fit into stereotypes!! ;D
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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #968 on: March 06, 2018, 13:31:57 »
So, now for something (slightly..) different.
A while back I suggested that the real "left wing" in Canada. who are opposed to everything on principle, at some point shade off into Marxists and Anarchists.

Well, here they are in all their glory:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/locke-street-riot-1.4564035

The usual rhetoric. Their target (ironically) seems to have been the small businesses of people who might be bumper-stickered as "left wingers" because they support various social causes, or  try to run ethically based business, or use organic products or whatever.

Well, as usual, the real "left wingers" (as opposed to the left of centres) have no time for that sort of soppy rubbish! Smash those cowardly gentrified lace curtain socialists!!

Just as "real" right-wingers have no time for "cuckservatives".

It's idiots like these, and the people on their side of the centre who refuse to disavow and condemn them(left or right), who are making reasonable political discourse more and more difficult.
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« Reply #969 on: March 06, 2018, 14:37:19 »
And inaction on the side of authorities who let them run amok without swooping and scooping them up.

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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #970 on: March 06, 2018, 14:56:24 »
And inaction on the side of authorities who let them run amok without swooping and scooping them up.

Actually, if you read the Inspector's account, he decided (probably wisely) that the two constables on the scene wouldn't achieve much and might be at risk on their own. He pulled them back. He then triggered a much larger deployment, but it sounds like by the time that was getting traction, the anarchists had already started dispersing.

If people don't apply for a parade permit, you can't be sure a march or assembly will happen, so it's pretty hard to justify deploying too many resources "just in case". That said, given the nature of the folks gathering at the Anarchist Book Show (how would that work, anyway...? ??? ), some more uniforms handy  might have been a good idea.
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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #971 on: March 06, 2018, 15:33:50 »
CBC conducts own investigation into Coulton Boushie death:  RCMP 'sloppy' and 'negligent' in investigating Colten Boushie's death, say independent experts

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/rcmp-sloppy-and-negligent-in-investigating-boushie-death-say-independent-experts-1.4564050

The only sentence that is relevant to the whole thing is of course, just about at the end of the article: "The experts CBC consulted agreed that errors were made, but did not conclude it would have changed the outcome of the trial."

The Crown has until March 12 to appeal, and with the political crap storm and probable violence that will occur if they don't, we can expect an appeal likely on a technical or evidentiary matter, and not the charge to the jury.     
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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #972 on: March 06, 2018, 15:46:06 »
pbi: I tend to agree especially on the apparent need to vandalize and destroy, and while the quote below is no excuse, it is also stands for a proposition that some people with core marxist beliefs are at work, and marxists are only vandals until they take power, at which point ruthless control and discipline are used against people to preserve power over property. As Mr. Sallows once pointed out, the best way to deal with the left is to let the extreme left take over for a while: 

"When someone decides to be a capitalist, making money through their investments rather than through their labour, their position relative to changes in the city becomes fundamentally different. Gentrification, as an example: when rents go up, it means they make more money (rather than lose their home); when prices go up and rich people move in, it means a chance to sell luxury goods (while we work for minimum wage); when more police and surveillance come in, it secures your investment (while we get harassed and pushed out)," the post reads.

I wonder if this is just the beginning of an upsurge of very radical, very violent  urban issue where any excuse will do... 
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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #973 on: March 06, 2018, 16:08:36 »
pbi: I tend to agree especially on the apparent need to vandalize and destroy, and while the quote below is no excuse, it is also stands for a proposition that some people with core marxist beliefs are at work, and marxists are only vandals until they take power, at which point ruthless control and discipline are used against people to preserve power over property. As Mr. Sallows once pointed out, the best way to deal with the left is to let the extreme left take over for a while: 

"When someone decides to be a capitalist, making money through their investments rather than through their labour, their position relative to changes in the city becomes fundamentally different. Gentrification, as an example: when rents go up, it means they make more money (rather than lose their home); when prices go up and rich people move in, it means a chance to sell luxury goods (while we work for minimum wage); when more police and surveillance come in, it secures your investment (while we get harassed and pushed out)," the post reads.

I wonder if this is just the beginning of an upsurge of very radical, very violent  urban issue where any excuse will do...

IMHO "gentrification" is an over used term and beloved of people who are too shiftless to do anything other than whine about somebody else's success. I would much, much rather see a neighbourhood where small business (even left of centre small business!!!) thrive, with cleaned up streets and parks, and tidied-up homes where people show some pride of ownership and sense of community, than a run down, garbage strewn, addict infested s****hole where you need six locks on your door.

Now, that doesn't mean I automatically support soaring rents, huge condos all over the place, and shops nobody can afford to go to. (My daughter rents in a recovering neighbourhhod in Kingston and I don't want to see her driven out). This is what these far-left sorts are trying to conjure up when they use the term "gentrification".

I think we have already seen urban violence by the far left such as Black Bloc, etc. Fortunately I think that they represent a very small minority of Canadians, just as their opposite numbers (or is that "equivalents") on the far right are a tiny group (in Canada, at least.

These people no more represent me (or anybody else) because I have some left of centre ideas, than La Meute or StormFront represents me because I have some right of centre ideas.
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Re: Politics in 2018
« Reply #974 on: March 06, 2018, 17:11:14 »
He is a frequent guest on "Charles Adler Tonight" on Corus talk radio stations in Western Canada and Ontario.  Since I started listening frequently last fall (when Morneau was rolling out the changes to small business taxes), Kinsella has been very critical of the Liberals.  I haven't seen Kinsella this critical of the Grits since his old boss, Chretien, was pushed out by Martin's caucus putsch.

His little rant about JT's tour of stupidity reminded me of his dad's own Don Quixote moment!
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