Topic: Bringing 'Em Back or Not? (I.D.'ed Cdn ISIS fighters, families, kids?)

[milnews.ca]

Bringing it back to Canada ...

• August 2014:  "Gregory and Collin Gordon, Calgary brothers, join ranks of Canadians fighting for ISIS"
• December 2014:  "Calgary brothers killed while fighting for ISIS"
• July 2016:  ISIS's Info-machine shares its version of these guys' journey (attached - also downloadable from non-terrorist site here) - full issue of latest ISIS propaganda sheet vieawable at non-terrorist page here - with thanks to the Jihadology blog for sharing the magazine

Remember where you read it first!

[jollyjacktar]

Somebody's heard about the Liberal welcome wagon for the nicest ISIS.   

That's because Britons don't want him.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/jihadi-jack-isis-consular-1.4526882

[Target Up]

Let the ******* rot.

[Cloud Cover]

Come on, we all know they will let him in eventually either by political decision or lawsuit coercion. He might have to wait until after the next election, but he will get in unless YPG does the world a favour ...

[jollyjacktar]

A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian...here's your 10.5 cha ching

[Jarnhamar]

If he brings some kids with him he'll be entitled to $3600 a month.

Might as well top it off and get him a job at Veterans Affairs lol

[jollyjacktar]

Or the PMO

[Jarnhamar]

Just remember that returning ISIS members 'are a powerful voice'.

[Cloud Cover]

If he brings some kids with him he'll be entitled to $3600 a month.

That's just plain disgusting. 

[Hamish Seggie]

Just remember that returning ISIS members 'are a powerful voice'.

F**k him. Let him rot

[Brihard]

Legally, if he is a Canadian citizen, the government has no right or authority to prevent him from re-entering the country should he eventually gain his freedom. But, they are also under no obligation to lift a finger to try to get him out of jail or to pay his way back here either. I hope that they do not.

[pbi]

He made a decision. Let him live by it. And thus a message to anybody else who gets similar ideas.

[Jarnhamar]

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/world/jihadi-jack-letts-syria-1.4385163

His parents sound like real winners.  The article tries to paint this kid like a victim, typical.

[Primus]

Trudeau will have poetry ready for him to feel less inclined to kill infidels. 

On a side note, what’s with almost every news outlet posting pics of him as a kid? The attempts to get the public to feel sorry for him by twisting the narrative is pretty ****ed up.

[HappyWithYourHacky]

Just remember that returning ISIS members 'are a powerful voice'.

You mean "returning foreign terrorist travelers" are a powerful voice.

[EOO]

I will like to see the issue through objective lenses. Is Jihadi Jack a Canadian? if the answer is yes, Canada can have him back with high priority surveillance put on him as part of the condition of having him back.

He must be willing to give something in exchange for his acceptance back into the country. I will rather that Canada has ears and eyes on these guys than playing politics.

[Jarnhamar]

I will like to see the issue through objective lenses. Is Jihadi Jack a Canadian? if the answer is yes, Canada can have him back with high priority surveillance put on him as part of the condition of having him back.

He's also a British citizen. Can we legally say piss off since he had another option?

[Teager]

He's also a British citizen. Can we legally say piss off since he had another option?

I think that's what the British are saying since he's also Canadian.

[Brihard]

He's also a British citizen. Can we legally say piss off since he had another option?

Nope. Again, we need do nothing whatsoever to help him get here, but if he manages to show up at a port of entry, he’s allowed in, full stop. The right of a citizen to enter, remain in or leave Canada is written right into the charter and there’s no way around that at all.

[Journeyman]

....written right into the charter and there’s no way around that at all.

Since some people wring their hands at the whole 'terrorist hunting, extrajudicial killing' issue.... like it's a bad thing. 


   
  ^^^
this means "not serious"  (for those who require it be spelled out)

[Jarnhamar]

Nope. Again, we need do nothing whatsoever to help him get here, but if he manages to show up at a port of entry, he’s allowed in, full stop. The right of a citizen to enter, remain in or leave Canada is written right into the charter and there’s no way around that at all.

Ah, right. Thank you.  We did stop some Canadian citizens from leaving Canada to join ISIS though didn't we? Guessing that's some kind of clause for citizens having a right to leave the country or something?


In any case this guy seems like a POS and hopefully he remains right where he is. His parents are either super stupid or closet ISIS supporters. i suspect the latter. As EOO sagely points out the blatant attempts to humanize and victimize Jihadi Jack with child pictures is quite obvious. 

[Brihard]

Ah, right. Thank you.  We did stop some Canadian citizens from leaving Canada to join ISIS though didn't we? Guessing that's some kind of clause for citizens having a right to leave the country or something?


In any case this guy seems like a POS and hopefully he remains right where he is. His parents are either super stupid or closet ISIS supporters. i suspect the latter. As EOO sagely points out the blatant attempts to humanize and victimize Jihadi Jack with child pictures is quite obvious.

Passport revocation. Nothing stops them getting on a boat or going for a swim, but it makes it damned hard to leave the country when you can’y Enter the US or board an international flight.

[FJAG]

Let me throw in a few comments while stating that I'm far from an expert on this topic.

The problem with this guy, as far as I can glean from the news and the web, is that he was never in Canada. He was born in the UK to a Canadian father and Brit mother and lived all of his life in the UK until he left Oxford to wander around Syria.

His passport has nothing to do with being a Canadian citizen (while I do not know for sure, I suspect he doesn't even have a Canadian one). His status is based on being the first generation descendant of a Canadian citizen.

Much, if not all, of the legislation under the Combating Terrorism Act (which has been incorporated in Part II.1 of the Criminal Code) creates offences relating to "everyone who leaves or attempts to leave Canada for the purpose of . . . etc etc" That wouldn't apply in these circumstances.

There are terrorist offences over which Canada claims extra-territorial jurisdiction but they require actual proof that the listed offence was committed. My guess is that because of the circumstances that such clear evidence of him having committed an offence over which Canada can claim such jurisdiction will be hard to come by and that if we do help him out to come here he will escape any consequences.

Considering the stance that the Liberals have taken with respect to reversing prior legislation facilitating stripping citizenship from persons with dual citizenship in certain circumstances they are now between a rock and a hard place.

Personally I believe they deserve to be there. The problem is that there is probably a vocal constituency of the Liberals who feel that bringing this ******* to Canada is the right thing to do. Hopefully they'll be in a decreasing minority.

 

[Hamish Seggie]

Well put FJAG.

I think everyone knows my feelings on terrorists.

[Brihard]

Agreed. Extremely well put, and I agree fully. I unfortunately find myself sometimes at odds with my own beliefs and desires on this subject, versus my respect for the rule of law and my absolute belief that it must be diligently upheld.