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Re: Direct Entry Officer (DEO) questions [Merged]
« Reply #500 on: November 22, 2018, 21:10:16 »
I got confirmation from a senior recruiter: Enrollment is as OCdt, with immediate promotion to 2Lt after completion of BMQ, before BMOQ-A

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Re: Direct Entry Officer (DEO) questions [Merged]
« Reply #501 on: November 29, 2018, 21:09:49 »
As someone who recently graduated from BMOQ, I'm quoting the correct answer:

Common issue of incorrect information passed.

All officers are enrolled as OCdt.  As a DEO you may be promoted after completing military training with an effective date of your enrolment (and yes back pay will be issued).  Note that MAY does not mean WILL even though most times it does happen.
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Re: Direct Entry Officer (DEO) questions [Merged]
« Reply #502 on: November 30, 2018, 15:12:06 »
Thanks for that clarification. I've sent you a PM with a question regarding your recent BMOQ.

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Re: Direct Entry Officer (DEO) questions [Merged]
« Reply #503 on: December 15, 2018, 17:53:06 »
Hey guys so I’m currently waiting to hear back regarding the next steps following my CFAT which went well, my main choice was ACSO. At the center the guy told me the contract length was 6 years; if it comes to the point of offering me a contract, would the length of the contract be negotiable in either direction? Applying DEO.

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Re: Direct Entry Officer (DEO) questions [Merged]
« Reply #504 on: December 19, 2018, 15:35:17 »
Common issue of incorrect information passed.

All officers are enrolled as OCdt.  As a DEO you may be promoted after completing military training with an effective date of your enrolment (and yes back pay will be issued).  Note that MAY does not mean WILL even though most times it does happen.

Yes all officers are enrolled as OCdt; however other than ROTP they all receive pay as 2Lt or higher while on BMOQ.  Only ROTP receive OCdt pay while undergoing training.

So to clarify.

Rank on Shoulder
While on BMOQ: OCdt
Upon completion of BMOQ: 2Lt/Lt/Capt (depending on occupation)

Pay
While on BMOQ: 2Lt/Lt/CApt (depending on occupation)

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Re: Direct Entry Officer (DEO) questions [Merged]
« Reply #505 on: December 19, 2018, 15:49:22 »
The contract length (Terms of Service [TOS]) is not negotiable.  It is a predetermined amount of time that the CAF is promising to employ you.
The only way you have an obligatory service is if the CAF pays for education; at the end of your TOS if you perform well you will be offered another contract.  If you do not perform well you will not be offered a further contract.  The CAF isn't for everyone and as long as you do not incur obligatory service you can release prior to your TOS (depending on your reason for release and how far along in your career it can take upwards of 30 days to be released).

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Re: Direct Entry Officer (DEO) questions [Merged]
« Reply #506 on: January 14, 2019, 11:24:08 »
It looks like DEO has increased for next year. I'm guessing they either have or are expecting more DEO applicants or want more DEOs
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Re: Direct Entry Officer (DEO) questions [Merged]
« Reply #507 on: April 18, 2019, 17:39:07 »
Hello all,

As the title says, I'm looking to join up, but my wife has a bunch of questions before she'll agree to me applying. I realise I maybe could have used the search function to see if these questions have been asked, but there were so many threads, and I don't have time right now to scroll through everything, so I thought I'd just ask a bunch of questions in one thread, and hopefully a helpful fellow (or gal) or two can answer them for me. So here goes:

1. I have a degree, so I'm looking to apply to be an officer. Once I get done with BMOQ and trade school and get to my first posting, I'd need to be able to get back and forth to work every day. Do Army bases have transportation systems in place like civilian centres do, or would I need to have a car?

2. The recruiter I spoke to today gave me a breakdown of what my pay and deductions would be. It lists $563.39 for rations and $122.17 for quarters. Would those deductions go up at my first duty station? Would they go up as I rise in rank? Or would they stay more or less the same throughout my career?

3. For personnel living on base, what's included in the cost for quarters? I'm looking specifically for things like Internet, utilities, furnishings, etc.

4. What are the types of quarters available for unaccompanied officers on base?

5. What, if any, death benefits are available for spouses?

6. Say I love it and stay in long enough to get my pension. If I die before my wife, would my pension transfer to her upon my death?

I apologise if these questions have been asked and answered in other threads, or if I could find them through a Google search potentially. I just don't have the time right now to look, as I have a lot of work to do, but I would like to get these questions answered sooner rather than later, as I'm hoping to apply in the next two weeks.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Direct Entry Officer (DEO) questions [Merged]
« Reply #508 on: April 18, 2019, 18:07:14 »
5. What, if any, death benefits are available for spouses?

6. Say I love it and stay in long enough to get my pension. If I die before my wife, would my pension transfer to her upon my death?

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Learn about the types of survivor benefits available to eligible survivors and children of Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) Pension Plan members and pensioners.
https://www.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/fac-caf/srvv/srvv-dev-bec-eng.html

According to your profile, you are 35. You have not yet applied.

So, you may find this discussion of interest,

CRA and Full Pension When you Join at Age 35 
https://navy.ca/forums/index.php?topic=120687.0

Original Post
If I understand correctly, CRA is at age 60 and full pension benefits require at least 25 years of service. If you join at age 35 (join a few months after you turn 35), is it still possible to get full pension?


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Re: Direct Entry Officer (DEO) questions [Merged]
« Reply #509 on: April 20, 2019, 01:56:33 »
Welcome to Army.ca, CanadianYankee

I realise I maybe could have used the search function to see if these questions have been asked, but there were so many threads, and I don't have time right now to scroll through everything

That, right there, may be the reason why nobody besides mariomike has answered.

We are a helpful bunch here, but we expect people to do their own research as well.

If you don't have the time, why would you expect anybody else to expend their valuable time to do what you are unwilling to do for yourself?

1. I have a degree, so I'm looking to apply to be an officer.

Do you want to be an Officer just because you have a degree, or because you want to be an Officer? There are more than a few Non-Commissioned Members (NCMs) with degrees as well. Pick something that you really want to do.

Once I get done with BMOQ and trade school and get to my first posting, I'd need to be able to get back and forth to work every day. Do Army bases have transportation systems in place like civilian centres do, or would I need to have a car?

Some may, but rudimentary at best. Many/most do not. Many bases are quite spread out, and not necessarily close to facilities that you likely take for granted - like shopping, etcetera. Lack of a car generally sucks, even for brief periods.

2. The recruiter I spoke to today gave me a breakdown of what my pay and deductions would be. It lists $563.39 for rations and $122.17 for quarters. Would those deductions go up at my first duty station? Would they go up as I rise in rank? Or would they stay more or less the same throughout my career?

Unless your wife does not "agree to you applying" and you decide to dump her in exchange for a life of carefree adventure in exotic foreign lands/frozen northern wastes/snazzy cubicle in a headquarters, once you complete training and arrive at your first posting, you might like to live together. In that case, you would no longer be living in single quarters and paying R&Q. You would have the option of living in PMQs (housing on base) if available, or renting or buying off-base and living like any other semi-normal person/couple/family.

Rents and prices vary with location. An additional allowance may be available in more expensive locations.

3. For personnel living on base, what's included in the cost for quarters? I'm looking specifically for things like Internet, utilities, furnishings, etc.

Single quarters have basic furniture and utilities. Internet may or may not be available, and would likely be at your own expense. Quality of single quarters varies by location. PMQs are unfurnished. Rent is at the local market rate, and all utilities etcetera are at your own expense.

6. Say I love it and stay in long enough to get my pension. If I die before my wife, would my pension transfer to her upon my death?

Yes, if you name her as your beneficiary.

Although, if you intend to live in single quarters without her, she may not stick around long enough...

I'm hoping to apply in the next two weeks.

Why the rush? You don't seem to know much about what you plan to get into. Have you even chosen an occupation yet? It's a big decision. Make it a good one. Do some decent research here before you leap in blind and set yourself up for failure.

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Re: Direct Entry Officer (DEO) questions [Merged]
« Reply #510 on: April 20, 2019, 13:36:25 »
Welcome to Army.ca, CanadianYankee

That, right there, may be the reason why nobody besides mariomike has answered.

We are a helpful bunch here, but we expect people to do their own research as well.

If you don't have the time, why would you expect anybody else to expend their valuable time to do what you are unwilling to do for yourself?

Do you want to be an Officer just because you have a degree, or because you want to be an Officer? There are more than a few Non-Commissioned Members (NCMs) with degrees as well. Pick something that you really want to do.

Some may, but rudimentary at best. Many/most do not. Many bases are quite spread out, and not necessarily close to facilities that you likely take for granted - like shopping, etcetera. Lack of a car generally sucks, even for brief periods.

Unless your wife does not "agree to you applying" and you decide to dump her in exchange for a life of carefree adventure in exotic foreign lands/frozen northern wastes/snazzy cubicle in a headquarters, once you complete training and arrive at your first posting, you might like to live together. In that case, you would no longer be living in single quarters and paying R&Q. You would have the option of living in PMQs (housing on base) if available, or renting or buying off-base and living like any other semi-normal person/couple/family.

Rents and prices vary with location. An additional allowance may be available in more expensive locations.

Single quarters have basic furniture and utilities. Internet may or may not be available, and would likely be at your own expense. Quality of single quarters varies by location. PMQs are unfurnished. Rent is at the local market rate, and all utilities etcetera are at your own expense.

Yes, if you name her as your beneficiary.

Although, if you intend to live in single quarters without her, she may not stick around long enough...

Why the rush? You don't seem to know much about what you plan to get into. Have you even chosen an occupation yet? It's a big decision. Make it a good one. Do some decent research here before you leap in blind and set yourself up for failure.

I don't know how to quote snapshots of your post, so I will just try to address your points in order.

First, thank you for the welcome.

Second, I didn't have time at the moment, as I had a lot of work on my plate that needed to get done. I have done some searching before my post as well as after, but not being familiar with all the acronyms and terms has hampered me; I'm coming from the U.S. military, which uses different terms and acronyms. I have done lots of research on this site as well as Google, but my searches have not been fruitful, hence why I asked.

I have always wanted to be an officer, ever since I was a little kid. My first "encounter" with the military was watching Top Gun as a child, and I have always wanted to learn to fly. Unfortunately, my vision and math skills aren't good enough to be a pilot, so I have to pick something else. I have already taken the aptitude test (for the reserves, before tracking back to Reg Force) and been told I qualified for infantry, armour, and logistics. It's a toss-up for me between infantry and armour.

I figured I would need a car on base, but my wife insisted that I ask about needing a vehicle.

Thank you for the rest of your information. I find it extremely helpful.

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« Reply #511 on: April 20, 2019, 14:09:50 »
, but not being familiar with all the acronyms and terms has hampered me;

Canadian Military Acronyms
https://army.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Canadian_Military_Acronyms

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Re: Direct Entry Officer (DEO) questions [Merged]
« Reply #512 on: April 20, 2019, 14:37:17 »
Regarding acronyms, hang around here long enough.. you will get a good grasp on them ;)

I am not military, never served, might not ever serve.. but just hanging around here I know a fair bit of the jargon, suprisingly.

Comes with time.
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Re: Direct Entry Officer (DEO) questions [Merged]
« Reply #513 on: April 21, 2019, 01:13:52 »
I don't know how to quote snapshots of your post, so I will just try to address your points in order.

First, thank you for the welcome.

Second, I didn't have time at the moment, as I had a lot of work on my plate that needed to get done. I have done some searching before my post as well as after, but not being familiar with all the acronyms and terms has hampered me; I'm coming from the U.S. military, which uses different terms and acronyms. I have done lots of research on this site as well as Google, but my searches have not been fruitful, hence why I asked.

I have always wanted to be an officer, ever since I was a little kid. My first "encounter" with the military was watching Top Gun as a child, and I have always wanted to learn to fly. Unfortunately, my vision and math skills aren't good enough to be a pilot, so I have to pick something else. I have already taken the aptitude test (for the reserves, before tracking back to Reg Force) and been told I qualified for infantry, armour, and logistics. It's a toss-up for me between infantry and armour.

I figured I would need a car on base, but my wife insisted that I ask about needing a vehicle.

Thank you for the rest of your information. I find it extremely helpful.

If you're competent and you want to lead, then go for it: be an officer. I always encourage people who are competent and are contemplating going for a commission. If you want to go up, then go for it. None of that "American" anti-intellectualism and "pride of being at the bottom and shaming for reaching up". Making a decision to becoming an officer is your first of many life changing decisions not only for you but also for those who'll be under your command.

Don't worry about the acronyms; everyone, even senior NCOs, still try to find what a specific acronym means.
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Re: Direct Entry Officer (DEO) questions [Merged]
« Reply #514 on: May 07, 2019, 16:44:23 »
Hello,

I have heard about different education categories (the field of study of the degree) for direct entry like Ideal/Accepted, as well as the initial offer could be higher if you are under the Ideal category. Is there a way to find out what they are for a specific trade?

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Direct Entry Officer (DEO) questions [Merged]
« Reply #515 on: May 08, 2019, 01:31:12 »
TreeLion, officer pay varies by Entry Plan (ROTP, DEO, CEOTP, CFR, SCP, etc.), not whether an applicant meets either the 'acceptable' or 'ideal' Entry Standard for said Entry Plan.

Of note, it also varies by trade, with seperate rates for pilots and specialist officers (medical, dental, and legal officers).

The officer pay scale can be found on the Government of Canada website:

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/services/benefits-military/pay-pension-benefits/pay/officers.html
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