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James Wood

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« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2004, 15:32:00 »
on my refrence application, is it just one person who does the whole thing or an old boss and a personal refrence, so two people?
Also, will the recruiting center let me hand in all my other info like tommorow and my refrence sheet a few days later because im up in university and can't get home to do it for a few weekends. I just want to speed up the process,
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« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2004, 15:44:00 »
two ppl
two letter
i would recommend handing in everything together to minimize stuff getting lost or misplaced as thats what I did

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« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2004, 17:27:00 »
Recommendation don"t do anything that increases the chance of parts of your file getting lost.  Remeber Murphy‘s Law definitely applies to recruiting

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« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2004, 17:40:00 »
Plus it will not speed up the process 1 bit to hand in part of your paper work.  Your file sits in a file cabinet until you complete whatever requirements have been put before you.

Once you hand everything in, they will schedual you for the next phase, whatever that may be.

And its two references minimum, or as many as it takes to cover 5 total years.  That can mean a person who has known you for 2 years, and a person who has known you for 3, for a total of 5 years combined.  It does not mean that you have to have a reference from 1999.

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Re: References on my application Superthread- Merged
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2004, 10:00:00 »
alright i am starting to understand...so i could have a boss who has known me for 2 years and he could fill out my job refrence and a personal refrence could also fill out the same application, right? so i could almost have 4 people for 2 applications?

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Re: References on my application Superthread- Merged
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2004, 13:27:00 »
No, if you‘re going to require more than 2 reference letters to cover the 5 years, you don‘t put 2 people on the same letter.  Ask your recruiter for a third or fourth form letter, or just photocopy the ones you have.

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Re: References on my application Superthread- Merged
« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2004, 14:02:00 »
Just found out that I have to redo my entire application.  With regards to to reference letters....should I use the same people or different people.  The two I had were excellent; but now that I am thinking(big mistake)maybe I could come up with one better reference.  Would that seem odd to change references?  Open for suggestions!  :confused:
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Re: References on my application Superthread- Merged
« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2004, 15:04:00 »
Why not use all three? I don‘t believe that there is a maximum number of references you can hand in.

Best case scenario, they see that another person is willing to say that you‘re the right person for the job. Worst case scenario, they file it with the others and ignore it.

Just because you have to redo your application doesn‘t mean that your references are invalid. At least, I wouldn‘t think so.

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Re: References on my application Superthread- Merged
« Reply #33 on: April 29, 2004, 15:26:00 »
Thanks Jonsey, it seems so simple when someone else lays it out. Thanks. Three it is.
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Re: References on my application Superthread- Merged
« Reply #34 on: April 29, 2004, 15:46:00 »
I know I have to redo my application...
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« Reply #35 on: April 29, 2004, 15:55:00 »
Howcome you have to redo them? Mistakes when filling it out?

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Re: References on my application Superthread- Merged
« Reply #36 on: April 29, 2004, 16:26:00 »
Nope. No mistakes we‘re made on their part.
This would be my 3rd time applying. So, the CO at the CFRC said for me to finish grade 12 (almost done now, with a average percentage of high-80‘s!! Which I have NEVER gotten in my life...)
and give him the newer transcrips, and to redo my application/refrences.

I can bet you though, they still have my application on file, just not the refrences. I could careless, because I‘am applying for Regular instead of reserve now, and I can (hope) get my COs to fill out newer refrence forms.
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Re: References on my application Superthread- Merged
« Reply #37 on: April 29, 2004, 17:03:00 »
My app was a couple of years old.
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« Reply #38 on: May 21, 2004, 00:31:00 »
(If you notice the lack of contractions and bad punctuation in this post please pardon it.  Ièm typing on a keyboard set for French and I cannot find some keys - connot contracts as "canèt" for ex...)

I have just applied for the infantry under the DEO entry programme.  I am interested to know what is involved with the background check.  Now, I want the the job, so I will lay them out on the table if that is what I have to do.  But that said, I tend toward being one of those guys who likes his privacy.  ...I just want to mentaly prepare myself.  All I found on the subject when I searched the recruiting section was the following:

"It is the responsibility of the Department of National Defence to screen all potential employees to determine their suitability and reliability. The Canadian Forces may contact the references that you provide as well as other individuals who may be suggested to check on your background, personal and professional relationships, as well as your work ethic. The reference check, conducted through received letters and phone calls are methods of confirming that you can be expected to be reliable and trustworthy in the performance of your duties and in the protection of the assets and interests of the Department of National Defence and its personnel."

...Fine.  So, can I expect them to be calling my old cadet Sqn. C.O. from 10 years ago.  People generally that I worked with in cadets perhaps...  Friends or neighbours...  

In a search related to marajuana that I had done previously I found a post by an MP where he claimed to have ejected someone while they were on course in St.Jean because they found out he lied about never smoking pot in his interview.  (I think I searched "pot")  ...How could they find that out!  Thatès freaky.  ...and frankly a little off putting.

Anyway, I know enough to be honest with the recruiter. (As if that post is not warning enough in any event!)...and like I said, I want the job, so I will lay em on the table if that is what I have to do.  ...and I dont need to be concerned about it anyway  ...Its just that if they are going to be contacting people that I have not spoken to in ten or more years or more I need some mental preperation.

What would normally be involved in your basic background check.  What can I expect.

Thanks.

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Re: References on my application Superthread- Merged
« Reply #39 on: May 21, 2004, 02:15:00 »
When I did my background check, they wanted to know what I have been doing for the past 10 years.  Where I went to school, work, where I‘ve lived and if I‘ve left the country, where, when and how long.  I summed all that up on my application (had to add a couple extra sheets).  If you were a cadet 10 years ago, I doubt they would look into that much, though they would like to know the corps/squadron name, location and number.  Cadet units are supposed to keep your file on hand for five years after you leave, then they are destroyed.  Other than that, I don‘t know.  After they take that info and forward it to CSIS, it‘s all a black box.
We have such a hard time trying to answer the question: What is a Canadian? The Dutch have no such trouble. To them, a Canadian is someone from a far-off land who risked everything to liberate them from one of the worst kinds of oppression the world has ever seen.

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Re: References on my application Superthread- Merged
« Reply #40 on: May 21, 2004, 14:31:00 »
You should be careful. If you‘ve been out of the country for more than 2 weeks in the last 10 years, you have to fill out a seperate security booklet (in addition to the one in your application) later on. Apparently, this form can delay you by up to 8 months to a year, although you may be lucky and squeak through in 6 months!

However, it only applies to you past the age of 16, but the country you travelled to does not matter. A 3 week trip to Disneyland will apparently net the same sort of delay as if you had gone to Lebanon.

I was very lucky, having missed the deadline by a mere 6 months  :)

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Re: References on my application Superthread- Merged
« Reply #41 on: May 21, 2004, 14:56:00 »
Reference the marijuana, don‘t lie. Simple as that. If you‘ve used it, tell them, and be honest about it.

Believe it or not, unless you were a hardcore chronic user, they don‘t particularly care.
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Re: References on my application Superthread- Merged
« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2004, 15:31:00 »
Are you sure it‘s two weeks Null?  Because if it is I‘m screwed until probably next year.  ARHG!!  I spent 18 days travelling around China visiting family .    :crybaby:    :crybaby:    :crybaby:
We have such a hard time trying to answer the question: What is a Canadian? The Dutch have no such trouble. To them, a Canadian is someone from a far-off land who risked everything to liberate them from one of the worst kinds of oppression the world has ever seen.

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Re: References on my application Superthread- Merged
« Reply #43 on: May 21, 2004, 17:48:00 »
Question for anybody????? Has anybody had to get an Enhanced realibility Check done.(ERC) for short and if you did how long did you have to wait? My medical came back approved but I‘ve been waiting for the ERC for a little over a month now.
Any input would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: References on my application Superthread- Merged
« Reply #44 on: May 22, 2004, 01:20:00 »
Don‘t worry too much about the security clearances
in the application process.

The CF does a background check and prepares a security level by the during of the application process, and completes another level by the end of basic.  You may have to fill out new or supplementary forms during BMQ.  Likely your unit will have to upgrade the clearance when you get there after you complete the BMQ course.

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Your trip to China won‘t affect your ability to
get the necessary clearance level or affect the timing during the application process.  

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It generally takes about 3 months to get an ERC
complete for the average person.  Those with
prior or active clearances it could happen a little quicker.  Depending on circumstances, the ERC may not be completed until you‘re well into
BMQ.

Depending on your gaining unit, your clearance may have to be upgraded anyway.

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Re: References on my application Superthread- Merged
« Reply #45 on: May 24, 2004, 13:24:00 »
Bert,

Thanks a million! You‘ve made it possible for me to get a full night‘s rest again!
We have such a hard time trying to answer the question: What is a Canadian? The Dutch have no such trouble. To them, a Canadian is someone from a far-off land who risked everything to liberate them from one of the worst kinds of oppression the world has ever seen.

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« Reply #46 on: May 26, 2004, 15:43:00 »
I‘m just curious does everyone need to hand in 2 references or just people who are applying for officers?

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« Reply #47 on: May 26, 2004, 15:45:00 »
I applied for the reserves and I needed two references (one has to be of 5 yrs or more) so I don‘t think only those applying for officers need them. There is more information about this in your application package

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« Reply #48 on: May 26, 2004, 15:56:00 »
I just applied for the reserves as well, handed my application in aproximately 2 months ago, and I needed the same number of references as you do.

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Re: References on my application Superthread- Merged
« Reply #49 on: May 26, 2004, 20:00:00 »
The recruiting staff should have filled you in, everyone needs two standard letters of reference.  We provide the blank letters for your references to fill out, they must be done on our forms.
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