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Re: Previous drug use question 2002 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1125 on: July 28, 2016, 08:09:43 »
Man, how you handle the interview and facetime with your recruiter is up to you.  I read your posts and Sheldon Cooper's image pops up in my head.  You goal in your recruiting it not to educate the recruiting staff, it is to get selected and sworn in.  Right? 

This is not complicated.  You will be asked about prior drug use.  Be honest in your answer, but not 'educating' about if LSD stays in your spinal cord or what it tasted like in your personal urine sample.  Just answer the questions asked, honestly.  You will likely be asked if you understand there is a zero tolerance policy for drug use in the CAF and asked if you agree to not use if you are part of the CAF.

Recruiters are busy people with more than your file to deal with.  I suggest making things are easy as possible and not coming off like...Sheldon Cooper.

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Re: Previous drug use question 2002 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1126 on: July 28, 2016, 08:52:52 »
I have been looking through this thread and cannot see the answer to my question and I also tried to the search function, so I hope this isn't redundant.
I'm applying for direct entry officer.  I have an upcoming aptitude and personality test.  I've seen a few people say that after the aptitude tests, questionnaires about prior drug use are handed out.  Is this still done?
I have no problem discussing prior drug use in detail with a  CAF doctor.  I understand that is part of the process and I am fine with it.  I am uncomfortable with the idea of being given a form with a whole bunch of questions about what I've used and when and then just handing that form off to someone (who, a recruiter?).  Can anyone offer any insight into what reaction I might get if I say that I can't answer the questions on that form right then?  Or do they even hand out those forms after the aptitude tests any more?

Yes, this process is still done.  Upon completion of your CFAT/TSD you will be required to complete the NPD Form (Non-Prescribed Drug Use) just like every other applicant.  The form is a "screening tool" and not a means for open discussion on the topic.  Your answers will be reviewed by a Recruiter and the form will be filed away.  You won't be discussing your answers to the questionnaire unless you are scheduled for an interview with an MCC (Officer) at a later date or if the need arises and it won't be an indepth interrogation.

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Re: Previous drug use question 2002 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1127 on: July 28, 2016, 10:33:36 »
Man, how you handle the interview and facetime with your recruiter is up to you.  I read your posts and Sheldon Cooper's image pops up in my head.  You goal in your recruiting it not to educate the recruiting staff, it is to get selected and sworn in.  Right? 

That's what I said (that my goal isn't to educate anyone or go in and start arguments) and I know I worried about it too much.  I came up with a scenario that is so unlikely to happen.

As for Sheldon, I cannot stand that show.  I've only ever come across two scientists who reminded me of people on that show.  Actually, the reminded me more of the three nerdy roommates Homer Simpson had when he went back to college.

Alright, alright, thanks for everyone's help.  It's fine.  I get it.  No worries.  We'll see what happens.
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Re: Previous drug use question 2002 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1128 on: August 04, 2016, 12:36:23 »
I have noticed a common theme on this thread...I have searched both with in army.ca and Google searched for my answer. 

I have completed up to my interview and am awaiting my reliability check to clear to get merit listed.

Even with the no drugs policy do you guys find there is still a lot of illegal drug use in the cf?

I'm asking cause I am tired of getting stuck working with addicts that slipped through the cracks. Just wondering if it is better on the military side? Or a big subculture..

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Re: Previous drug use question 2002 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1129 on: August 04, 2016, 14:53:18 »
I don't think that "a lot" is an accurate measure, more like some. According to this article from 2014, urine testing revealed about 5.5% positive for at least one illicit drug. There were almost 4200 samples tested, with 279 positive results, so I think a valid sample size. That being said, there appeared to be a concentration in a single geographic region, which may have skewed the results.

The 2008 CF Health and Lifestyle Survey put the rate at less than 10 percent, based on anonymous disclosure, which matched the US rate. I don't have access to a more current version.

No zero tolerance programme ever achieves zero. Rest assured that we don't have legions of addicts at work that you have to watch out for. In addition, take comfort that those who use are quite regularly found out and dealt with.

Notwithstanding the above, I think alcohol is the most widely used substance in the CF. In any regard, it is everyone's responsibility to look out for each other and help folks who may be going down the wrong road.
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Re: Previous drug use question 2002 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1130 on: August 04, 2016, 18:09:09 »
Thank you for the response! That makes sense, I am glad that it is proactively dealt with. From my own experience on the civilian side unless they are doing it right in front of supervision it never gets dealt with until someone else get injured or causes costly equipment damage.

 I applied for armoured crewman and am scared of getting stuck in a 2 ton hot box instead of a 2 ton fart box. That would make the job a bit less enjoyable..
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Re: Previous drug use question 2002 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1131 on: August 04, 2016, 18:55:35 »
If people are smoking dope at work close to weapons and ammunition, you will need to take that up with your chain of command, it's unacceptable.

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Re: Previous drug use question 2002 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1132 on: August 26, 2016, 20:32:07 »
August 20th I stopped using marijuana, after smoking for almost a year regularly and going to start my Policing Foundation course (in order to apply to MP) in September 6th and will finish it on November. Always wondering if I quit too late fearing that they will not accept me on the first interview telling me to come back next year or whatever.
Any answers are appreciated!

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Re: Previous drug use question 2002 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1133 on: August 26, 2016, 20:38:35 »
Is it you, or your "buddy"?

A buddy of mine just stopped to smoke regularly marijuana after a year or two because he wants to start hes career in the military.
Now is like in the RCMP where you have to be clean for two years then apply or different in the military where they judge for themselves if you are a good fit?

You quit for 6 days, so I'll forgive your shortened attention span that prevented you from reading the 46+ pages here on past drug use and how long you need to be clean for before applying.

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Re: Previous drug use question 2002 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1134 on: August 26, 2016, 20:41:39 »
Is it you, or your "buddy"?

You quit for 6 days, so I'll forgive your shortened attention span that prevented you from reading the 46+ pages here on past drug use and how long you need to be clean for before applying.

Ha, yeah its me and my buddy.

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Re: Previous drug use question 2002 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1135 on: August 26, 2016, 20:48:05 »
Seriously, read through the thread. There's no need to add another page or more of the same thing. This goes for any other question(s) that you may have. We've got most things covered fairly well.

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Re: Previous drug use question 2002 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1136 on: September 20, 2016, 19:03:21 »
Hi gents,fl for the past 6 months I've been experienmenting with al-lad. The drug is legal and produces LSD like effects when taken dose is over 100ug. I would take about 10ug every other day. I never felt high or loaded, the rocks never glowed but it did smooth out the cracks and just generally made my day much smoother overall.  I was hardly depressed but the best description i have is like an antidepressant. Should I disclose this and how would I mark it on the drug sheet? I'd hate be labeled a serial drug abuser when the substance is legal and the intoxication level is similar to drinking 1/10 of a shot of vodka.

Other than that and the once a month weed use I've been clean and haven't touched any drugs since high school 6 years ago or so.
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Re: Previous drug use question 2002 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1137 on: September 20, 2016, 19:11:44 »
Hi gents,fl for the past 6 months I've been experienmenting with al-lad. The drug is legal and produces LSD like effects when taken dose is over 100ug. I would take about 10ug every other day. I never felt high or loaded, the rocks never glowed but it did smooth out the cracks and just generally made my day much smoother overall.  Should I disclose this and how would I mark it on the drug sheet? I'd hate be labeled a serial drug abuser when the substance is legal and the intoxication level is similar to drinking 1/10 of a shot of vodka.

A drug is usually considered "LEGAL" when it is prescribed by a physician.  Just because a drug may be "LEGAL", if you are taking it without a prescription or otherwise abusing the method of administering it, it may stray into the "ILLEGAL" zone.  In some/most/all cases, this can also be said for non-prescription drugs sold over the counter, should you not use them as intended.  As you are "EXPERIMENTING" with it; it seems that you are illegally abusing the administration of a legal drug.  Best bet:  Be upfront and honest and disclose what you are doing.  They will determine how to handle it.
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Re: Previous drug use question 2002 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1138 on: September 20, 2016, 19:14:30 »
IMHO, AL-LAD would probably be classed as a prohibited drug under Schedule VI of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act. In particular, Lysergic Acid (Note 1 - includes synthetic and natural forms).

Just the same, not illegal =/= legal.

Come clean and put it in the illicit drugs portion of the questionnaire.

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Re: Previous drug use question 2002 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1139 on: September 20, 2016, 20:45:05 »
That's disheartening to hear. I know how government  bureaucracy works. I've taken this drug 100 times the dosage or application won't matteer. I'm probably blacklisted for life. I'll try my luck with the reserves I imagine the standards are lower.

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Re: Previous drug use question 2002 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1140 on: September 20, 2016, 20:47:25 »
That's disheartening to hear. I know how government  bureaucracy works. I've taken this drug 100 times the dosage or application won't matteer. I'm probably blacklisted for life. I'll try my luck with the reserves I imagine the standards are lower.

Same standards apply.

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Re: Previous drug use question 2002 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1141 on: September 20, 2016, 21:05:12 »
That's disheartening to hear. I know how government  bureaucracy works. I've taken this drug 100 times the dosage or application won't matteer. I'm probably blacklisted for life. I'll try my luck with the reserves I imagine the standards are lower.

Nope, same standards. You can still apply to join the Regular Force, just be honest about your drugs history.

Oh, and stop using drugs!
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Re: Previous drug use question 2002 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1142 on: October 20, 2016, 16:19:53 »
I'm confused as to when your prior drug use plays a role in the recruiting process.

Today I did my CFAT and and the end the MCC came and explained to use how the pre-enrolment substance screening works. For the CFAT, we were told that we would receive a e-mail on how the test went - but we were also told that our prior drug use could give us an e-mail saying that we've been terminated from the process. However, most of the replies here are that it goes with your interview (even the more recent replies).

So I'm confused as to when your prior drug use will be brought into question. I marked on my paper that during highschool, between Oct '15 and May '16 I smoked weed 13 times. I'm 17 now and it's going to be 6 months clean the first day of November.

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Re: Previous drug use question 2002 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1143 on: October 21, 2016, 10:19:46 »
So I had my CFAT test yesterday, and after doing the Personality test we filled out the pre-enrollment substance use questionnaire. After we completed that and the MCC looked it over (making sure we filled out everything correct, signed, etc.), we had the post-test powerpoint explaining the process from now on. He explained that there are 4 possible outcomes. Either we passed or failed the aptitude test for our chosen occupations, or that our drug use would disqualify us from the Forces.

However, many posts in the Merged Drug Use thread in the recruiting section, have said that this mainly comes into play during your interview. So I'm confused if I would be getting an e-mail in the next few days saying I've been disqualified or that I would just have to explain to the MCC in the interview about my drug use. For those wondering, I used to occasionally smoke pot in high school when I was 16. I wrote down that between Oct '15 and May '16, I smoked a total of 13 times. It's going to be 7 months clean on Nov. 1st.

EDIT - Forgot to mention we would receive our results via e-mail.

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Re: Previous drug use question 2002 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1144 on: October 21, 2016, 10:31:24 »
I've seen people disqualified on the spot due to the drug use questionnaire - CFAT done, questionnaire filled out, I'd have up to "X" spots for medicals booked, and that would usually decrease by 1/3 or so just from the Drugs Form.  You'll either get an email saying come back some other time when you've been off the dope for longer or come in for a medical and interview.

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Re: Previous drug use question 2002 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1145 on: November 27, 2016, 00:09:52 »
for such a high security level job i don't understand why they don't do any drug testing on people during the recruitment medicals, or random drug testing. Even when I had worked in corporate office buildings some of them did drug tests on.

I'm talking about the reserves here.

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Re: Previous drug use question 2002 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1146 on: November 27, 2016, 00:34:59 »
Because it's illegal?  Anonymous testing does happen but individual testing requires reasonable doubt and a bunch of hoops to jump through.

http://www.rbs.ca/newsroom-publications-Employee-Drug-Alcohol-Testing-Canada.html

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Re: Previous drug use question 2002 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1147 on: November 27, 2016, 07:50:16 »
for such a high security level job i don't understand why they don't do any drug testing on people during the recruitment medicals, or random drug testing.

Drug use/drug testing in the CF (merged)
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=16153.650
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Re: Previous drug use question 2002 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1148 on: November 27, 2016, 08:20:31 »
Because it's illegal?  Anonymous testing does happen but individual testing requires reasonable doubt and a bunch of hoops to jump through.

http://www.rbs.ca/newsroom-publications-Employee-Drug-Alcohol-Testing-Canada.html

It's also illegal to water ski after sunset or paint a wooden ladder in Alberta. Not all laws are relevant in 2016.  Given the job we do in the military mandatory, non-blind drug tests shouldn't be some kind of human rights violation.  (Not suggesting you think the contrary Max)
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Re: Previous drug use question 2002 - 2018 [Merged]
« Reply #1149 on: November 27, 2016, 10:00:28 »
I would absolutely be for ramdom drug testing in CAF, a bit like the US does.  However, the CAF cannot break the law and start testing because it makes sense...