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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #100 on: February 08, 2019, 16:09:01 »
...Additionally, that photo ETIS posted of the RCAF Commander and his Chief giving the Door Gunner badge, they were coming from Canada, wearing whatever they had issued to them. Comd RCAF had lost his luggage and borrowed a uniform on the ground. There were no rank insignia or nametapes available to him.

Absolutely, LM! Comd RCAF and I went through basic training together a few years ago...you won’t find a “straighter arrow” in the whole CAF than LGen Meinzinger.  That said, I bet you his ADC will always have a back-up set of name tag and slip-on from now on. ;)

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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #101 on: February 08, 2019, 18:10:57 »
removed my post.  Sorry for the speed wobble that had nothing to do with Div Patches on CADPAT.

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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #102 on: February 08, 2019, 18:24:50 »
Since the CFP-265 is widely regarded as the most kept-up-to-date document in the CAF, you must be right that LGen Rouleau has no authority.  This is indeed a travesty and really should be a key item for the CDS’ daily OGp, leaving lesser important issues such as Departmental responses to ATIP requests and recruiting and retention to be addressed at a later date.

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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #103 on: February 08, 2019, 18:29:40 »
removed my post.  Sorry for the speed wobble that had nothing to do with Div Patches on CADPAT.

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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #104 on: February 08, 2019, 18:38:20 »
...

So...why the sudden need for US Army stars?  ...

We've been doing it for a while:



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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #105 on: February 08, 2019, 18:43:37 »
We've been doing it for a while:



Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo    :facepalm:
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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #106 on: February 08, 2019, 18:48:20 »
...I don't care so much about the dress instructions...I DO care greatly about  (1) standards that only apply to some, but it only being the rank and file are held accountable it when they color outside the lines.

Just not enough by your own admission/explanation to speak Truth to Power to someone you believe to be complicit in perpetuating the problem?

???

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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #107 on: February 08, 2019, 19:13:02 »
removed my post.  Sorry for the speed wobble that had nothing to do with Div Patches on CADPAT.

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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #108 on: February 08, 2019, 19:26:35 »
At least for 9 years.   :nod:

hey, I know someone who has been smoking dope while serving for 10 years before WEEDFORGEN.  I guess, because they've been doing it for so long, that just makes it ok?  Or was there some kind of...regulation or instruction...hmmmm.

I meant that it wasn't suddenly recent as of just now, but as to why then the easiest assumption would be for American troops to easily figure it out as your experience showed it.

People mocking of others not figuring out ranks should have a look at the NATO ranks equivalency and I would like to see them easily figure out a rank.
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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #109 on: February 08, 2019, 19:41:51 »
removed my post.  Sorry for the speed wobble that had nothing to do with Div Patches on CADPAT.

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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #110 on: February 08, 2019, 19:45:59 »
Would you say that if you were, technically, out of dress for a parade or something, or one of your troops was and for that 'bro, chill' level offence, getting extra's or RMs or a UDI for doing the same sort of things and it was caught in a pic on social media?  I've said it before, I'll say it again;  I don't get to decide what things I enforce and which ones I don't.  I get to use some common sense sometimes on the application...that's it.  I advise the Officers I work with at my level; that level isn't GOFOs.  I enforce the orders on everything including dress on my subordinates because its part of my job.  It's really that black and white.

If the dress regs are 'relaxed', then it should be for everyone.  Full stop.

I was on parade for my Sqn CofC last year, and the Wing CofC the year before that.  I can imagine the conversations with my SCWO if I would have showed up on parade day in Air Force 1As with my beret on.  I don't care so much about the dress instructions...I DO care greatly about  (1) standards that only apply to some, but it only being the rank and file are held accountable it when they color outside the lines.  I've seen it too many times.  Rank has it privileges, I get that too.  It also has it's responsibilities;  one of them being 'lead by example'.

I wore a "battle badge" with my name, rank, allergies etc. In English and Arabic and my rank equivalent to US and Iraqi counterparts as a lowly MCpl, does that help settle things?

I also wore Danish Army rank while on exchange with them.

I also wore an unauthorized uniform of Tac Hel Pants and Hybrid Combat shirt.

Now, I can't access the actual instructions but hasn't the new Operational Dress Instruction addressed most if not all of these issues?


CANFORGEN 168/18 COMD CA 025/18 091244Z OCT 18
CA OPERATIONAL DRESS INSTRUCTIONS

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Now that I think about it, my CSM wore US equivalent rank on his sleeve in Kabul, and my Team Leader (WO) wore US and Norwegian rank as we worked closely with them.
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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #111 on: February 08, 2019, 20:01:05 »
Sometimes you need to check yourself before you start a series of posts that...well, they're of no benefit and you're ranting like a Week 7 recruit.  That was me in this thread earlier.  My apologies, folks.

This should have been my queue that I wasn't only off the hardstand, I was a few hundred meters into the cattails and making awfully  good time.

Back to the issue of Div patches, I noticed that CP Gear now offers wool DEU Div patches (meaning no CADPAT, just the div colour patch) and the default is to have them Velcro back. While this makes sense to me, I wonder how long before someone gets in trouble for wearing that on combats?

http://www.cpgear.com/create_products/Division-Patches-Wool-?c=5024397&dp=2&n=83303857

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