Author Topic: CANFORGEN 168/18 (aka PATCHFORGEN) [Merged] (Read 19630 times)

OceanBonfire · « **Reply #50 on:** November 29, 2018, 15:16:37 »

Quote from: PuckChaser on November 23, 2018, 10:16:19

Probably NAVRES BMQ? I've never seen the Ensign on CADPAT, only thought it was supposed to be on NCDs as one of the 18 things that say Navy so people don't forget.

Operation UNIFIER:

https://www.facebook.com/CAFinUkraine/photos/a.1323337024435027/1585991111502949/?type=3&theater

https://twitter.com/CAFinUkraine/status/1065245819174117378

DetectiveMcNulty · « **Reply #51 on:** November 29, 2018, 16:10:12 »

Are those snowflakes landing on the CADPAT? Or giant flakes of dandruff?

daftandbarmy · « **Reply #52 on:** November 29, 2018, 16:55:57 »

Quote from: OceanBonfire on November 29, 2018, 15:16:37

Operation UNIFIER:

https://www.facebook.com/CAFinUkraine/photos/a.1323337024435027/1585991111502949/?type=3&theater

https://twitter.com/CAFinUkraine/status/1065245819174117378

OMFG.

We have clearly bypassed the surface area of an identification symbol that can be described as 'patch' and gone straight to 'billboard'.

sidemount · « **Reply #53 on:** November 29, 2018, 22:15:52 »

Unless the pic is flipped, it doesnt look like the Canada flag is being replaced as it is worn on the left side...it looks like this is being worn in lieu of a div patch.

PuckChaser · « **Reply #54 on:** November 29, 2018, 22:22:13 »

Quote from: sidemount on November 29, 2018, 22:15:52

Unless the pic is flipped, it doesnt look like the Canada flag is being replaced as it is worn on the left side...it looks like this is being worn in lieu of a brigade patch.

Yeah its a different scenario from what was originally posted. That position is actually in lieu of a division patch. The brigade patch would go where the UNIFIER patch is.

sidemount · « **Reply #55 on:** November 29, 2018, 22:27:10 »

Yup my mistake, edited my post to read div patch instead of brigade.

So Navy pers wearing the ensign as opposed to a div patch seems reasonable (as reasonable as all the patch business is).
Is there a pic where it is actually taking the place of the Canada flag?

PuckChaser · « **Reply #56 on:** November 29, 2018, 22:49:30 »

I don't think its reasonable. If you're wearing CADPAT it should be with a red and white Canadian flag unless a theatre standing order indicates another specific one for operational reasons (IE the IR flags in Afghanistan). If whoever is doing this thinks CADPAT isn't "Navy" enough, they should be wearing NCDs and can throw the Ensign on there all they want in accordance with RCN dress regs.

sidemount · « **Reply #57 on:** November 30, 2018, 17:47:19 »

The Canadian Flag is on the Left side so they aren't just ditching the Canadian Flag. If Navy Pers are in CADPAT, why not have the Ensign in place of the Div patch. If we are going all "patchy" what difference does it make.

OceanBonfire · « **Reply #58 on:** December 24, 2018, 13:28:09 »

https://www.facebook.com/CAFOperations/posts/2389200164440618?__tn__=-R

Dimsum · « **Reply #59 on:** December 27, 2018, 21:50:44 »

My question about those pics is why the 2 Army folks (with the crossed swords next to the nametape) are also wearing the RCN ensign? Does everyone working on an RCN mission wear it on operational uniform?

Eye In The Sky · « **Reply #60 on:** December 27, 2018, 22:08:49 »

It also looks like they're all wearing the rank in black thread slip-ons

SupersonicMax · « **Reply #61 on:** December 27, 2018, 22:53:26 »

So much debate on dress (and dress minutia of all!).

Eye In The Sky · « **Reply #62 on:** December 27, 2018, 23:12:26 »

Quote from: SupersonicMax on December 27, 2018, 22:53:26

So much debate on dress (and dress minutia of all!).

What do you consider dress minutia?

Dimsum · « **Reply #63 on:** December 28, 2018, 00:05:14 »

Quote from: SupersonicMax on December 27, 2018, 22:53:26

So much debate on dress (and dress minutia of all!).

Meh, I was just curious. I think having rank slides and nametapes that you can read more than 0.5cm away is a good idea.

The 'Roo inside the Maple Leaf on their ball caps is a nice touch.

SupersonicMax · « **Reply #64 on:** December 28, 2018, 00:12:34 »

Quote from: Eye In The Sky on December 27, 2018, 23:12:26

What do you consider dress minutia?

Ensign vs flag
Color of patches
Wearing NCDs for Navy folks on Army/Air Force bases

None of which affect the outcome of a task/mission.

Eye In The Sky · « **Reply #65 on:** December 28, 2018, 09:10:15 »

Agreed, we've gone a little overboard with it. At my level, I don't get to decide it, just police and enforce it. There seems to be an appetite for flashy things and/or patches and overdoing the "unique appearance" in both service dress and operational dress. It seems to be the 'in thing', and not just in the CAF.

Regardless of how 'overdone' our current operational dress is, we (Officers, Warrant/Petty Officers, Snr and Jnr NCOs) still have a duty to know, police and enforce the direction from higher and to set a high standard for those we lead to follow. Funny, though, the worst I've seen the patch police out since going AF was IMPACT ROTO 0 and...according to my Det HQ it was a fairly big focus of the ATF-I Commander. Wasn't he a fighter guy?

*IF YOU WEAR YOUR SQN HERALDIC CREST OR PET THE CATS...ISIS WINS!!!*

Eye In The Sky · « **Reply #66 on:** December 28, 2018, 09:19:40 »

Quote from: Dimsum on December 28, 2018, 00:05:14

Meh, I was just curious. I think having rank slides and nametapes that you can read more than 0.5cm away is a good idea.

Maybe they couldn't get the 'right' ones from Clothing Stores and bought their own. I've seen that happen before when Supply couldn't get CADPAT or flight suit nametags/badges; there was 'no contract' in place or something.

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The 'Roo inside the Maple Leaf on their ball caps is a nice touch.

yup!

daftandbarmy · « **Reply #67 on:** December 29, 2018, 01:57:37 »

As far as the Infantry is concerned, it should all come off before any kind of recce/ fighting patrol anyways

Haggis · « **Reply #68 on:** December 29, 2018, 11:17:25 »

Quote from: daftandbarmy on December 29, 2018, 01:57:37

As far as the Infantry is concerned, it should all come off before any kind of recce/ fighting patrol anyways

To ensure OPSEC, each patrol will have a rear party of one soldier who collects the bling at the FLOT and returns it when the patrol RTBs.

Good2Golf · « **Reply #69 on:** December 29, 2018, 13:51:25 »

I like how the Army bubba has his sleeves rolled down in the Persian Gulf. Good lad for following the ~~regulations~~ directives.

PMedMoe · « **Reply #70 on:** December 29, 2018, 14:28:30 »

Quote from: Good2Golf on December 29, 2018, 13:51:25

I like how the Army bubba has his sleeves rolled down in the Persian Gulf. Good lad for following the ~~regulations~~ directives.

Speaking of sleeve rolling, the rest could sure use a lesson on it....

MJP · « **Reply #71 on:** December 29, 2018, 14:32:49 »

Quote from: PMedMoe on December 29, 2018, 14:28:30

Speaking of sleeve rolling, the rest could sure use a lesson on it....

The new combats are junk for rolling sleeves, although why someone would want a wet ball of fabric sitting on their arms is beyond me anyway. Not t mention sleeves down is a much better way to deal with the sun, pests and other occupational hazards!