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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #50 on: November 29, 2018, 15:16:37 »
Probably NAVRES BMQ? I've never seen the Ensign on CADPAT, only thought it was supposed to be on NCDs as one of the 18 things that say Navy so people don't forget.

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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #51 on: November 29, 2018, 16:10:12 »
Are those snowflakes landing on the CADPAT? Or giant flakes of dandruff?


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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #52 on: November 29, 2018, 16:55:57 »
Operation UNIFIER:

https://www.facebook.com/CAFinUkraine/photos/a.1323337024435027/1585991111502949/?type=3&theater

https://twitter.com/CAFinUkraine/status/1065245819174117378



OMFG.

We have clearly bypassed the surface area of an identification symbol that can be described as 'patch' and gone straight to 'billboard'.  :rofl:
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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #53 on: November 29, 2018, 22:15:52 »
Unless the pic is flipped, it doesnt look like the Canada flag is being replaced as it is worn on the left side...it looks like this is being worn in lieu of a div patch.
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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #54 on: November 29, 2018, 22:22:13 »
Unless the pic is flipped, it doesnt look like the Canada flag is being replaced as it is worn on the left side...it looks like this is being worn in lieu of a brigade patch.

Yeah its a different scenario from what was originally posted. That position is actually in lieu of a division patch. The brigade patch would go where the UNIFIER patch is.

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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #55 on: November 29, 2018, 22:27:10 »
Yup my mistake, edited my post to read div patch instead of brigade.

So Navy pers wearing the ensign as opposed to a div patch seems reasonable (as reasonable as all the patch business is).
Is there a pic where it is actually taking the place of the Canada flag?
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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #56 on: November 29, 2018, 22:49:30 »
I don't think its reasonable. If you're wearing CADPAT it should be with a red and white Canadian flag unless a theatre standing order indicates another specific one for operational reasons (IE the IR flags in Afghanistan). If whoever is doing this thinks CADPAT isn't "Navy" enough, they should be wearing NCDs and can throw the Ensign on there all they want in accordance with RCN dress regs.

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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #57 on: November 30, 2018, 17:47:19 »
The Canadian Flag is on the Left side so they aren't just ditching the Canadian Flag. If Navy Pers are in CADPAT, why not have the Ensign in place of the Div patch. If we are going all "patchy" what difference does it make.
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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #59 on: December 27, 2018, 21:50:44 »
My question about those pics is why the 2 Army folks (with the crossed swords next to the nametape) are also wearing the RCN ensign?  Does everyone working on an RCN mission wear it on operational uniform?
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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #60 on: December 27, 2018, 22:08:49 »
It also looks like they're all wearing the rank in black thread slip-ons ???
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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #61 on: December 27, 2018, 22:53:26 »
So much debate on dress (and dress minutia of all!).

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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #62 on: December 27, 2018, 23:12:26 »
So much debate on dress (and dress minutia of all!).

What do you consider dress minutia?
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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #63 on: December 28, 2018, 00:05:14 »
So much debate on dress (and dress minutia of all!).

Meh, I was just curious.  I think having rank slides and nametapes that you can read more than 0.5cm away is a good idea. 

The 'Roo inside the Maple Leaf on their ball caps is a nice touch.
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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #64 on: December 28, 2018, 00:12:34 »
What do you consider dress minutia?

Ensign vs flag
Color of patches
Wearing NCDs for Navy folks on Army/Air Force bases

None of which affect the outcome of a task/mission.

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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #65 on: December 28, 2018, 09:10:15 »
Agreed, we've gone a little overboard with it.  At my level, I don't get to decide it, just police and enforce it.  There seems to be an appetite for flashy things and/or patches and overdoing the "unique appearance" in both service dress and operational dress.  It seems to be the 'in thing', and not just in the CAF.

Regardless of how 'overdone' our current operational dress is, we (Officers, Warrant/Petty Officers, Snr and Jnr NCOs) still have a duty to know, police and enforce the direction from higher and to set a high standard for those we lead to follow.  Funny, though, the worst I've seen the patch police out since going AF was IMPACT ROTO 0 and...according to my Det HQ it was a fairly big focus of the ATF-I Commander.  Wasn't he a fighter guy?   8) 

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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #66 on: December 28, 2018, 09:19:40 »
Meh, I was just curious.  I think having rank slides and nametapes that you can read more than 0.5cm away is a good idea.

Maybe they couldn't get the 'right' ones from Clothing Stores and bought their own.  I've seen that happen before when Supply couldn't get CADPAT or flight suit nametags/badges;  there was 'no contract' in place or something.

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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #67 on: December 29, 2018, 01:57:37 »
As far as the Infantry is concerned, it should all come off before any kind of recce/ fighting patrol anyways  :nod:
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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #68 on: December 29, 2018, 11:17:25 »
As far as the Infantry is concerned, it should all come off before any kind of recce/ fighting patrol anyways  :nod:

To ensure OPSEC, each patrol will have a rear party of one soldier who collects the bling at the FLOT and returns it when the patrol RTBs. 
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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #69 on: December 29, 2018, 13:51:25 »
I like how the Army bubba has his sleeves rolled down in the Persian Gulf. Good lad for following the regulations directives. :salute:

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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #70 on: December 29, 2018, 14:28:30 »
I like how the Army bubba has his sleeves rolled down in the Persian Gulf. Good lad for following the regulations directives. :salute:

Speaking of sleeve rolling, the rest could sure use a lesson on it....   ::)

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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #71 on: December 29, 2018, 14:32:49 »
Speaking of sleeve rolling, the rest could sure use a lesson on it....   ::)

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The new combats are junk for rolling sleeves, although why someone would want a wet ball of fabric sitting on their arms is beyond me anyway.  Not t mention sleeves down is a much better way to deal with the sun, pests and other occupational hazards!
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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #72 on: December 29, 2018, 15:01:22 »
Speaking of sleeve rolling, the rest could sure use a lesson on it....   ::)

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You can't cover the patches!   :tsktsk:
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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #73 on: December 29, 2018, 15:05:13 »
Not t mention sleeves down is a much better way to deal with the sun, pests and other occupational hazards!

This is true.

You can't cover the patches!   :tsktsk:

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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #74 on: December 29, 2018, 15:36:04 »
  Not t mention sleeves down is a much better way to deal with the sun, pests and other occupational hazards!

But if you put the sleeves down how are you going to get a great "farmer's tan"?
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