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Div patch on cadpat
« on: April 19, 2018, 12:47:44 »
I see this soldier on ex in the U.S. wearing a Div patch on cadpat.  Is this just because they are out of Canada or is this now issued to all soldiers in 5 Div? If so, will all divisons be wearing div patches in the future?

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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2018, 13:12:32 »
I believe the idea is that eventually all personnel will wear their div patch on their combats but at this time (at least out here in 3 Div) only flag officers wear the patch. Not sure of the reason why when we all wear it on our DEUs. Incidentally, I have heard there is a move to start wearing qualification badges on combats (only ones worn on the DEUs like airborne, Ranger, etc.).
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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2018, 13:45:24 »
I've noticed senior officers from both 4 and 2 div wearing it for quite some time now. I didn't ask any questions

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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2018, 12:35:34 »
I believe the idea is that eventually all personnel will wear their div patch on their combats but at this time (at least out here in 3 Div) only flag officers wear the patch. Not sure of the reason why when we all wear it on our DEUs. Incidentally, I have heard there is a move to start wearing qualification badges on combats (only ones worn on the DEUs like airborne, Ranger, etc.).

When the Army Comd and RSM visited us in Latvia, the RSM was rocking CADPAT wings, so who knows how far that may go in the future.
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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2018, 17:53:55 »
I believe the idea is that eventually all personnel will wear their div patch on their combats but at this time (at least out here in 3 Div) only flag officers wear the patch.

I think you mean General Officers (unless you have some Navy DEU officer commanding 3 Div).

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Not sure of the reason why when we all wear it on our DEUs.

This (IMO) bullshit started about a decade ago, when the new "high vis" ranks came out and the Command Officers and CWOs only wore them under the story "to let the troops get used to them".  That was, and still is, ******* lame.  You'd think that their gorgets and bus driver hats allow them to feel 'special' enough now.  Apparantly not!  I'm not a fan of the 'us and them' dress policies; either the Div wears them on CADPAT, or the Div doesn't.  My Div (an Air Div) has standards of dress that apply to all, with some of the higher rank Officers and CWOs, sometimes, sporting some fancier style of flying suit name tags perhaps.  If the AF can standardize operational dress...

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Incidentally, I have heard there is a move to start wearing qualification badges on combats (only ones worn on the DEUs like airborne, Ranger, etc.).

I know in a few people who are qual'd aircrew who don't do flying anymore; one of them posted to CDA.  He wears his Wings badge on the left shoulder along with the big mo-fo flag.
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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2018, 18:42:55 »
When the Army Comd and RSM visited us in Latvia, the RSM was rocking CADPAT wings, so who knows how far that may go in the future.
2 skill badges max, lower left CADPAT sleeve Velcro. In true Army fashion, being rolled out top to bottom in the CAF to increase morale of the troops. Started getting contacting for the badges and patches set up 3 years ago....

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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2018, 18:46:52 »
2 skill badges max, lower left CADPAT sleeve Velcro. In true Army fashion, being rolled out top to bottom in the CAF to increase morale of the troops. Started getting contacting for the badges and patches set up 3 years ago....

Is this also on the newer version of the rain jacket as well?  Just curious;  the RCAF and some other CAF formations/units aren't allowing skill badges  on the rain jacket (CJOC is the one other than the RCAF I know of at this time). 
« Last Edit: April 22, 2018, 19:18:18 by Eye In The Sky »
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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2018, 19:28:13 »
Is this also on the newer version of the rain jacket as well?  Just curious;  the RCAF and some other CAF formations/units aren't allowing skill badges  on the rain jacket (CJOC is the one other than the RCAF I know of at this time).

The only reference to it I had seen was on the tunic, although I can't see why they wouldn't allow it on the newer rain jacket too, as it has the same velcro. Probably why it won't happen though, makes too much sense.

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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2018, 19:39:16 »
The only reference to it I had seen was on the tunic, although I can't see why they wouldn't allow it on the newer rain jacket too, as it has the same velcro. Probably why it won't happen though, makes too much sense.

Yup.  Skill badge;  required on the flying jacket IAW our Div Os and my Wing DIs.  Rain jacket;  not allowed.   :stars:

I tried really hard to keep my older initial style RCAF version rainjacket but the zipper died on me  :'(.  Only think I could attach to it was a rank slip-on. 
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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2018, 13:44:12 »
People should calm down.  Everyone will eventually wear the Div patches and qualification patches.  But they have to be contracted and manufactured.  What the senior Comd Teams are wearing for Div patches are intern DEU patches with velcro sewn on, they are not the final product.   And I know out in 3 Div this has all been passed down via emails and meetings.  So I'm not sure why serving members are not tracking what is happening.  I myself sent out the minutes of the last dress committee meeting that contained this info.

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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2018, 13:49:35 »
And I know out in 3 Div this has all been passed down via emails and meetings.  So I'm not sure why serving members are not tracking what is happening.  I myself sent out the minutes of the last dress committee meeting that contained this info.

So what you're saying is that the Army has an information passage problem where the complete story doesn't get to all the troops? Colour me shocked.  :rofl:

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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2018, 14:13:35 »
My Div (an Air Div) has standards of dress that apply to all, with some of the higher rank Officers and CWOs, sometimes, sporting some fancier style of flying suit name tags perhaps.  If the AF can standardize operational dress...

... the Army, which actually represents about 200 different tribes as opposed to the Air Force and Navy's much more efficient 'single tribe each', has no hope at all. :)
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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2018, 14:28:48 »
So what you're saying is that the Army has an information passage problem where the complete story doesn't get to all the troops? Colour me shocked.  :rofl:

Shocking I know....but it is not completely unsolvable :-/

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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2018, 18:05:19 »
... the Army, which actually represents about 200 different tribes as opposed to the Air Force and Navy's much more efficient 'single tribe each', has no hope at all. :)

Incorrect.  Everyone knows there's an "east coast Navy" and a "west coast Navy".   :nod:

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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2018, 14:26:10 »
Incorrect.  Everyone knows there's an "east coast Navy" and a "west coast Navy".   :nod:

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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2018, 15:45:22 »
Don't forget NAVRES - they hate it when we leave them out...
So, if a sailor is posted to an Army unit, do they sew a Div patch on their NCDs?
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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2018, 16:07:38 »
So, if a sailor is posted to an Army unit, do they sew a Div patch on their NCDs?
No, formation patches are only for the Army service and operational uniforms (according to the Dress Instruction). They would put up an Army command badge, though.
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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2018, 16:08:09 »
No, formation patches are only for the Army service uniform (according to the Dress Instruction). They would put up an Army command badge, though.
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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2018, 16:16:01 »
Wait for it...

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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2018, 16:16:51 »
Wait for it...
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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2018, 16:17:09 »
I say we go all the way: MPRR embroidered on the back of the uniform.
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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2018, 18:15:32 »
2 skill badges max, lower left CADPAT sleeve Velcro. In true Army fashion, being rolled out top to bottom in the CAF to increase morale of the troops. Started getting contacting for the badges and patches set up 3 years ago....

We had some Scottish cadets visit us last year and they were allowed to wear their qualification badges on their Velcro...and some of these kids had so many that they couldn't actually fit the whole badge on their pocket. Half of it was just up against the fabric. It looked pretty bad.
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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2018, 18:49:51 »
So, if a sailor is posted to an Army unit, do they sew a Div patch on their NCDs?

Would it look as ...*professional*... as CADPAT slip-ons on the ncd jacket?  Then...it'll likely happen!   8)
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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #23 on: November 23, 2018, 07:23:03 »
The other day I saw a picture of navy recruits in CADPAT but instead of the Canadian Flag on the left shoulder, they had the Naval Ensign.
Is this a thing? 

I'm navy, wear CADPAT and have the Canadian Flag on my shoulder.  Is there a reg/policy I'm missing?
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Re: Div patch on cadpat
« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2018, 09:59:29 »
The other day I saw a picture of navy recruits in CADPAT but instead of the Canadian Flag on the left shoulder, they had the Naval Ensign.
Is this a thing? 

I'm navy, wear CADPAT and have the Canadian Flag on my shoulder.  Is there a reg/policy I'm missing?

I'm all for it!  Since the naval ensign includes the national flag, I see no reason to wear both.  The current interim arrangement with NCDs where we wear both a small national flag and a big ensign on the same sleeve seems odd and redundant to me.
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