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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #150 on: September 07, 2018, 16:53:15 »
That means the Ottawa chief, the TPS Union President, and the RCMP Commissioner have all either questioned this ban or outright said it's a bad idea because it will waste resources.

Maybe, for once, we have a chance...
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #151 on: September 07, 2018, 19:51:44 »
It won't matter who says it's a bad idea. It is a core Liberal goal to disarm the public.

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“Disarming the Canadian public is part of the new humanitarian social agenda.” — Liberal foreign affairs minister Lloyd Axworthy (1998)

“I came to Ottawa . . . with the firm belief that the only people in this country who should have guns are police officers and soldiers.” — Liberal minister of justice, Allan Rock, 1994.

"C-68 has little to do with gun control or crime control, but it is the first step necessary to begin the social re-engineering of Canada.” — Liberal senator Sharon Carstairs, 1996.

“Canada will be one of the first unarmed countries in the world.” — Liberal foreign affairs minister Lloyd Axworthy, 1998.

While these statements all occurred in the late 90s, I see no evidence to suggest any change of heart.

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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #152 on: September 08, 2018, 01:50:22 »
National Post had a good article here: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/what-it-would-look-like-if-canada-banned-all-handguns

But recent history tells us it is all a sham anyway. Mayor David Miller in Toronto puled a lot of crap, including closing gun ranges and harassing legal gun owners while Toronto was suffering a wave of violent gun crimes in the early to mid 2000's, yet gun crimes continued to climb.

What ended the reign of violence was a multi national police operation in Canada, the US and Jamaica which took down a criminal organization known as the Shower Posse...no amount of "gun control" stopped the violence, only dedicated and wide ranging police work directed against the criminals. South of the border, we also have the example of cities like Chicago with draconian gun laws suffering waves of violence similar to low intensity war zones.

This is all about posturing and virtue signalling, pure and simple.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #153 on: September 08, 2018, 12:11:45 »
The Liberal government was quick to trump out the police in support of their designs, like when Goodale got behind the cheery picked 2013 stat, bullshit "gun and firearm related surge"  or mysterious Toronto police detective.

When the police however advised caution a out legalizing pot the Liberals brushed them off.


I wonder how the Liberals will handle  these police members or unions or whoever going on the record saying a handgun ban won't help.
Will the Liberals just ignore them (and the pretty solid looking stats and evidence they tried to bullshit everyone) or will the clever Liberals capitalize on this and use it as a political get out of jail free card to avoid the mess of banning handguns.

'We looked at banning handguns but our brave and wise police officers say it won't fix the problem so we're looking at other avenues, because we care'.



And speaking about missing firearms.
In 2012 a Freedom of Information request from then NFA determined that between October 2008 and February 2012, police forces and other law-enforcement agencies have lost at least 428 firearms nationwide.

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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #154 on: September 08, 2018, 12:59:50 »
I think we as Canadians way over react when it comes to crime and gun crime. 

Sure we have pockets of rougher areas but in comparison to juristicians in other countries we have a pretty safe country. 

We tend to internalize American problems as well, I suspect that this comes from an over consumption of American media.

Truly in Canada the small problems we do have are 99% socioeconomic I reckon.  Withs gun play being a small spin off effect.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #155 on: September 09, 2018, 12:55:53 »
Hypothetical question.

Suppose the government decides all handguns and "assault weapons", let's say ar15s, are banned and must be turned in to the government without compensation.

Considering it is a firearms serialized receiver that is the registered part, could gun owners get away with turning in stripped down pistol and rifle receivers?







After all I don't even need a firearms licence to purchase an AR15 upper receiver or pistol upper slide.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #156 on: September 09, 2018, 13:06:44 »
Hypothetical answer

They will likely insist on the whole firearm, but you're right.

All of my ARs are builds. They are registered Receiver Only. That will all they get from me. Totally stripped and smashed in a press with only the serial # untouched. They will get the same with my pistols. I sold all the other non accountable parts before they asked me to turn them in.

edit - You MAY be able to call them, tell them you've stripped it all away and only have the receiver left and could they register it Receiver Only? It's still restricted. The worse they can do is say NO.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #157 on: September 09, 2018, 17:21:53 »
Hypothetical question.

Suppose the government decides all handguns and "assault weapons", let's say ar15s, are banned and must be turned in to the government without compensation.

Considering it is a firearms serialized receiver that is the registered part, could gun owners get away with turning in stripped down pistol and rifle receivers?

On a Sig Sauer P320 the serial number only appears on the fire control group, which is removable from the frame by rotating one pin.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #158 on: September 09, 2018, 18:29:44 »
On a Sig Sauer P320 the serial number only appears on the fire control group, which is removable from the frame by rotating one pin.

So you are saying we should all go buy sig sauer p320's, right? Just want to be sure...

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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #159 on: September 26, 2018, 14:42:27 »
Bill C71 is crushing through Parliament, there is talk of it being implemented by christmas.

Max Bernier didn't bother to even shown up to vote on Bill C71.



In other news Ralph Goodale supported the woman who was found guilty kidnapping raping and murdering Tori Stafford, 8,  getting moved to a healing lodge, calling her actions "bad practices".

This guy is really something else.



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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #160 on: September 26, 2018, 16:24:11 »
Bill C71 is crushing through Parliament, there is talk of it being implemented by christmas.
It is now in the Senate.

Max Bernier didn't bother to even shown up to vote on Bill C71.

Nor did 18 CPC members.  Not that it would've made a difference, because the Bill was destined to pass by virtue of the Liberal majority anyways (bolstered by the near-liberals of the NDP).  However, it would've been nice if they'd showed up even to symbolically vote against it and show their support to law-abiding firearms owners.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #161 on: September 27, 2018, 02:12:05 »
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Nor did 18 CPC members.

I seen that, very shitty of them. I hope the members of their ridings give them an ear full.

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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #162 on: September 27, 2018, 17:43:18 »
My NDP Member of Parliament voted for it, even after her telling me she knew it was flawed.


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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #163 on: September 27, 2018, 17:49:00 »
My NDP Member of Parliament voted for it, even after her telling me she knew it was flawed.


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The NDP are even more left than the Liberals.  That your NDP member supported the Liberal social agenda should not surprise you.  Legal firearms owners have very, very few allies in the House.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #164 on: September 27, 2018, 18:42:41 »
The NDP are even more left than the Liberals.  That your NDP member supported the Liberal social agenda should not surprise you.  Legal firearms owners have very, very few allies in the House.
I thought she was coming around as her riding is northern ont. She has voted against a few of the UN proposals, she was all for the sniper rifle ban till I schooled her on the use of lee Enfields as the prime sniper platform for the commonwealth and the fact that 90% of the people in the room had one at home.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #165 on: September 28, 2018, 07:05:06 »
I thought she was coming around as her riding is northern ont. She has voted against a few of the UN proposals, she was all for the sniper rifle ban till I schooled her on the use of lee Enfields as the prime sniper platform for the commonwealth and the fact that 90% of the people in the room had one at home.

Sniper rifle ban ?  Did I miss a timing ?
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #166 on: September 28, 2018, 09:29:26 »
Sniper rifle ban ?  Did I miss a timing ?
It was something the dipers were wailing about a few years back.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #167 on: September 28, 2018, 15:52:49 »
Sniper rifle ban ?  Did I miss a timing ?

it's also something currently being looked at in Australia, one of the countries Minister Blair and the PM hold out as a successful model of gun control/confiscation.  Some Australians who own "very powerful firearms" are being asked by the police to justify their continued ownership and demonstrate proficiency in order to continue to possess them. Canada's anti-gun lobby has already drawn parallels between "hunting" and "sniper" rifles, a move which should concern sportsmen should a handgun and "assault weapons" ban become reality.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #168 on: September 30, 2018, 18:36:25 »

I seen that, very shitty of them. I hope the members of their ridings give them an ear full.

Do we know where they were or what they were doing? I'll reserve judgement till I know that.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #169 on: October 12, 2018, 00:15:54 »
Here's the government's public consultation questionnaire. Pretty obvious the direction their taking. Fill it out. You know the gungrabbers are going to fill it out dozens of times each. No retreat, no surrender!

https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/cnslttns/hndgn/index-en.aspx
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #170 on: October 12, 2018, 00:26:01 »
It certainly has a "zero sum" flavour about it.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #171 on: October 12, 2018, 09:14:42 »
Here's the government's public consultation questionnaire. Pretty obvious the direction their taking. Fill it out. You know the gungrabbers are going to fill it out dozens of times each. No retreat, no surrender!

https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/cnslttns/hndgn/index-en.aspx

Using the crap show US federal weapons ban as a definition base for assault weapons?

"Barrel shroud safety feature that prevents burns to the operator"

How deadly.

"https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban#Criteria_of_an_assault_weapon

Besides didn't the US assault weapons ban prove to be ineffective in lowering crime rates/shootings?
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #172 on: October 12, 2018, 09:31:23 »
Jarnhamar, the policy paper attached to the survey is actually pretty good. It notes (amongst other things) that the US Assualt weapons ban had no real effect on violent crime in the US; that violent crime is on a general decline in Canada but that the vast majority of gun violence is gang related and there is not really any good data that legal gun ownership is problematic.

So basically, this Government is trying to solve that does't exist.

Spread the word- every gun owner needs to fill his survey out!

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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #173 on: October 12, 2018, 14:35:54 »
Using the crap show US federal weapons ban as a definition base for assault weapons?

"Barrel shroud safety feature that prevents burns to the operator"

How deadly.

"https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban#Criteria_of_an_assault_weapon

Besides didn't the US assault weapons ban prove to be ineffective in lowering crime rates/shootings?
Since when did semi auto qualify for assault status?
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #174 on: October 12, 2018, 15:26:53 »
Make sure you do your part and answer the government survey...

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