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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #1475 on: September 15, 2020, 12:39:24 »
I would question Canada numbers. Before the long gun registry went into effect they estimated there was 20-30 million firearms in Canada (in 1994), as soon as the long gun registry went into effect there was only 8 million firearms. I suspect there is roughly 1 gun per person in country simply due to the amount of people out there with guns kept in their family or at camps, etc. which were never recorded yet are still there. Plus when the long gun registry was abolished all those guns which were 'illegal' became legal again.

I think your estimate of 1 gun per person is pretty close to right. That's the reason I first said that America's guns closely equal Canada's guns, per capita. Somewhere along the line I also found stats that said 3,000,000 Canadians owned guns and the average was about 6 or 7 per gun owner.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #1476 on: September 15, 2020, 14:24:23 »
I think your estimate of 1 gun per person is pretty close to right. That's the reason I first said that America's guns closely equal Canada's guns, per capita. Somewhere along the line I also found stats that said 3,000,000 Canadians owned guns and the average was about 6 or 7 per gun owner.

The RCMP claims there are about 2.2 million PAL holders in Canada.  Those are legal gun owners.  You may assume that each owns at least one firearm.  Some I know have none, others several.  Include the estimated 750,000 to 1 million illegal guns in the hands of criminals of various sorts and that may be a fair estimate.

But, the government is only going after legal guns with their OIC.  Specifically stated, any related compensated confiscation (AKA "buyback") will only be offered for LEGAL guns. 

Remember that.

You, a lawful, licensed, trained gun owner and your legally purchased, stored, transported and used guns are more dangerous and worthy of more government attention and money (<$600M)  than gang bangers, drug dealers, smugglers, snakeheads, outlaw bikers, sovereign citizens, homegrown radicals, antifa or indigenous groups and their guns ($327M).

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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #1477 on: September 18, 2020, 17:04:56 »
https://ipolitics.ca/2020/09/17/feds-uncertain-firearm-buy-back-will-start-before-amnesty-for-banned-guns-ends/

Hardly surprising, although you have to wonder how New Zealand pulled it off.

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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #1478 on: September 18, 2020, 19:37:24 »
Hardly surprising, although you have to wonder how New Zealand pulled it off.

Two possibilities I see:

NZ likely had a plan in place long before the Christchurch massacre and was waiting for a catalyst to implement it, or it was administered in-house without turning it into a vote pandering Liberal make-work project.

In our case the administrative costs of setting up and implementing the program will far exceed what might be paid to confiscate all the prohibited firearms.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #1479 on: September 19, 2020, 08:50:20 »
https://ipolitics.ca/2020/09/17/feds-uncertain-firearm-buy-back-will-start-before-amnesty-for-banned-guns-ends/

Hardly surprising, although you have to wonder how New Zealand pulled it off.

New Zealand conducted their gun buyback project in house, through their national police service. Canada wants to contract ours out, during a global pandemic, while the whole of government, including PWGSC and Treasury Board, as well as industry, are all running at somewhat reduced capacity. Add to that the fact that the Canadian government's start state for procurement and contracts wasn't that impressive to begin with, even without a global crisis.

New Zealand's gun buyback program also kind of didn't work. Estimates are that somewhere between only 1/4 and 1/3 of New Zealand's newly banned firearms were actually bought back -- the vast majority have gone underground or to the black market.

The RCMP would probably be just as capable of running an ineffective gun buyback program as New Zealand Police. But contracting it out? This year? That's a brave move, Prime Minister.

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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #1480 on: September 19, 2020, 08:53:56 »


The RCMP would probably be just as capable of running an ineffective gun buyback program as New Zealand Police. But contracting it out? This year? That's a brave move, Prime Minister.

That unspent $900M in WE money has to go somewhere.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #1481 on: September 19, 2020, 12:03:20 »

That unspent $900M in WE money has to go somewhere.

Don’t be surprised when the WE R Gunfree charity pops up and the ‘public servants’ recommend it as the only organization capable of running a gun buy-back program. :not-again:

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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #1482 on: September 19, 2020, 12:45:50 »
Don’t be surprised when the WE R Gunfree charity pops up and the ‘public servants’ recommend it as the only organization capable of running a gun buy-back program. :not-again:

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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #1483 on: September 19, 2020, 15:19:24 »
Gun buyback = LPC plan for CAF SARP II.

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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #1484 on: September 29, 2020, 09:55:26 »
Buried in last Wednesday's Speech from the Throne was a restatement of the Liberal's promise to implement municipal handgun bans.  I'd expected they would use this speech to announce a national handgun ban. I'm glad I was wrong.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #1485 on: September 29, 2020, 12:46:12 »
An outright ban would force them to do something and spend monies they really don't have. They will likely announce a ban as an election promise.

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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #1486 on: September 29, 2020, 13:28:20 »
Complete ban might lose them a confidence vote right now, the moment when/if they have a majority, you'll see a semi-complete ban.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #1487 on: September 29, 2020, 13:31:24 »
Complete ban might lose them a confidence vote right now, the moment when/if they have a majority, you'll see a semi-complete ban.

How though?  The bloc and NDP would support.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #1488 on: September 29, 2020, 13:45:06 »
A complete ban?  The Bloc?   Hunting is huge there....and I'd say 60/40 NDP.   Even some rural Liberal's might break ranks....


EDIT:  wow, thought we were discussing a complete weapons ban, not just handguns.   My bad....
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #1489 on: September 29, 2020, 16:35:31 »
A complete ban?  The Bloc?   Hunting is huge there....and I'd say 60/40 NDP.   Even some rural Liberal's might break ranks....

You are supposing individual MPs would be allowed to vote according to their conscience or constituents wishes. In reality, they would be whipped into voting as a block and woe to those who voted against the party line.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #1490 on: September 29, 2020, 17:02:58 »


You are supposing individual MPs would be allowed to vote according to their conscience or constituents wishes. In reality, they would be whipped into voting as a block and woe to those who voted against the party line.

Exactly.

It's also tellling that the RFP for a firm to design a buyback program has been cancelled effective 22 September.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #1491 on: September 29, 2020, 18:40:12 »

Exactly.

It's also tellling that the RFP for a firm to design a buyback program has been cancelled effective 22 September.

What the heck? I wonder what that means?

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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #1492 on: September 29, 2020, 18:47:49 »
What the heck? I wonder what that means?

Retracting it until ‘WE Want No Guns’ is incorporated in Canada.

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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #1493 on: September 29, 2020, 18:51:53 »
Retracting it until ‘WE Want No Guns’ is incorporated in Canada.

Yeah I'm trying not to waste mental energy speculating

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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #1494 on: September 29, 2020, 20:07:08 »
What the heck? I wonder what that means?
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #1495 on: October 04, 2020, 15:13:33 »
All guns are not going to be banned! LOL
I can express my views here on this topic because they're not views that run contrary to the CAF views that are dictated as being politically correct.

And my view is, an extremist and ridiculous position being taken is not in the best interests of those who enjoy gun related activities and sports. A moderate and rational position 'is' the correct approach because:

The socalled soccer moms are a part of the large voting bloc who don't give a fng lick about decent Canadians being allowed to own guns and use them in a responsible way. Alienate them at your own peril!

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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #1496 on: October 04, 2020, 15:18:57 »
All guns are not going to be banned! LOL
I can express my views here on this topic because they're not views that run contrary to the CAF views that are dictated as being politically correct.

And my view is, an extremist and ridiculous position being taken is not in the best interests of those who enjoy gun related activities and sports. A moderate and rational position 'is' the correct approach because:

The socalled soccer moms are a part of the large voting bloc who don't give a fng lick about decent Canadians being allowed to own guns and use them in a responsible way. Alienate them at your own peril!

cheers!

Is it just me, or does this post make absolutely no logical sense?

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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #1497 on: October 04, 2020, 15:42:23 »
Is it just me, or does this post make absolutely no logical sense?

Seems Everclear to me..
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #1498 on: October 04, 2020, 16:23:56 »
Is it just me, or does this post make absolutely no logical sense?

It's not just you.  He's trolling.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #1499 on: November 17, 2020, 15:33:40 »
Minister Blair's second attempt to find a private company to administer the OIC's proposed compensated confiscation regime ("buyback") has gone unanswered.

Now what?
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