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Notice in Ottawa that the GOFOs/ Chiefs that do that seem to be a lot more relaxed than the micromanagers; they can give general direction and make decisions, but otherwise stay out of the weeds unless things start going off the rails. They also tend to take the time to mentor people and explain some of their thought process, which takes a bunch of effort, but seems to result in more capable subordinates, so makes it easier in the long run. 
^^^  Just wanted to repeat this.... and note that it's not an "Ottawa" or necessarily a "GOFO/Chief" thing.   :nod:

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Re: Canadian Forces' senior brass have been growing at a much faster rate...
« Reply #127 on: September 14, 2018, 16:11:06 »
If that were true, than why the increase in 50% in a decade?  Was something not functioning during the height of our Afghan War?

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Re: Canadian Forces' senior brass have been growing at a much faster rate...
« Reply #128 on: September 15, 2018, 12:13:36 »
^^^  Just wanted to repeat this.... and note that it's not an "Ottawa" or necessarily a "GOFO/Chief" thing.   :nod:

Fully agree, GOFO/Chief was more under the lines of the discussions, but it's a good general leadership practice.

Never dealt with the GOFOs on the coast, but generally interact with them a lot more here (from briefings to casual chats in the coffee line). Sure it's similar in operational lines but they are a bit more insulated through the CoC structure.  Maybe it's a function of everything in Ottawa being matrixed?

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Re: Canadian Forces' senior brass have been growing at a much faster rate...
« Reply #129 on: September 15, 2018, 12:34:27 »
Maybe it's a function of everything in Ottawa being matrixed?
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Re: Canadian Forces' senior brass have been growing at a much faster rate...
« Reply #130 on: September 15, 2018, 12:44:19 »
You mean a make-believe world, disconnected from reality, where your posting message doesn't come with the red pill?  :whistle:

Between your post and signature block, one would almost think you were familiar with the NCR!  :nod:

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Re: Canadian Forces' senior brass have been growing at a much faster rate...
« Reply #131 on: September 15, 2018, 12:49:56 »
You mean a make-believe world, disconnected from reality, where your posting message doesn't come with the red pill?  :whistle:

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Re: Canadian Forces' senior brass have been growing at a much faster rate...
« Reply #132 on: September 15, 2018, 12:58:50 »
….one would almost think you were familiar with the NCR!  :nod:
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An interesting article, about the US military
The US downsizing their GO/FO numbers could provide a knock-on effect for Canada.

For example, do those RMC cadets really  need a BGen?  Of course not..... but West Point, USAFA, Annapolis all have a 1-star, therefore....

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An interesting article, about the US military,

"Congress thinks there are too many generals and flag officers holding positions in the Defense Department."

Thanks tips, or are you Capt Obvious ?  Its not like we are immune to outside influences...

The US downsizing their GO/FO numbers could provide a knock-on effect for Canada.

For example, do those RMC cadets really  need a BGen?  Of course not..... but West Point, USAFA, Annapolis all have a 1-star, therefore....

Solid questions that need to be asked.
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Thanks tips, or are you Capt Obvious ? 

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The US downsizing their GO/FO numbers could provide a knock-on effect for Canada.

For example, do those RMC cadets really  need a BGen?  Of course not..... but West Point, USAFA, Annapolis all have a 1-star, therefore....

Strictly on 3rd-hand info, aren't the US service academies about 4-5x the number of folks than RMC?  If so, why would RMC need a 1-star even if the other Cmdts are of that rank? 
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Strictly on 3rd-hand info, aren't the US service academies about 4-5x the number of folks than RMC?  If so, why would RMC need a 1-star even if the other Cmdts are of that rank?

About 20 years ago I took a look at our PF GOs in early 1939. Proportionally we had more then in terms of size of our permanent force, but of lesser rank. RMC was commanded by Brigadier HDG Crerar, if memory serves me.

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The US downsizing their GO/FO numbers could provide a knock-on effect for Canada.
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Re: Canadian Forces' senior brass have been growing at a much faster rate...
« Reply #142 on: November 11, 2018, 08:31:18 »
I note the comments "if we get involved in more conflicts we need more generals"...not "we need more troops" "we need more/newer equipment" "we need more funding".

I guess the CAF sustainment plan could be called "OP Ouroboros"?


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Re: Canadian Forces' senior brass have been growing at a much faster rate...
« Reply #143 on: November 11, 2018, 11:13:18 »
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Here an interesting link:

https://ipolitics.ca/2018/11/08/number-of-generals-will-grow-says-canadas-top-soldier/

Un-freakin'-believable. This is like Canadian unions: always comparing themselves to other organizations who have a structure/pay scale most favourable to what they want.

Let's look south for a little comparison:

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The U.S. Code explicitly limits the total number of four-star officers that may be on active duty at any given time. The total number of active-duty general or flag officers is capped at 231 for the Army, 162 for the Navy, 198 for the Air Force, and 62 for the Marine Corps.[10] For the Army, Marine, Navy, and Air Force, no more than about 21%[11] of each service's active-duty general or flag officers may have more than two stars,[12] and statute sets the total number of four-star officers allowed in each service.[12] This is set at 7 four-star Army generals,[12] 6 four-star Navy admirals,[12] 9 four-star Air Force generals[12] and 2 four-star Marine generals.[12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_duty_United_States_four-star_officers

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The U.S. Army has 315 General Officers.  Generals (O-7 to O-10) comprise 0.06% of the Army. There is 1 General for every 1600 Soldiers.

The number of Generals is limited by US Code. See 10 U.S. Code § 526 - Authorized strength: general and flag officers on active duty.  The Army is authorized a total of 231 Generals.  Additionally the Secretary of Defense can authorize an additional 310 Generals or Flag Officers to serve in Joint assignments.  These slots are split between uniformed services.

https://www.quora.com/How-many-generals-are-there-in-the-US-army

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Re: Canadian Forces' senior brass have been growing at a much faster rate...
« Reply #144 on: November 11, 2018, 18:39:33 »
We will increase the number of generals while the gene pool that creates them stagnates or shrinks.  The result will be that the average quality of our generals starts to noticeably dip, and our allies will not want all these new Canadian generals at the table.