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US VS G7
« on: June 08, 2018, 01:17:54 »
Or better stated Climate vs Climate Deniers or Macron and Trudeau vs Trump.My money is on Trump.I have zero respect for Macron and Trudeau.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/07/politics/trump-g7-canada/index.html

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Re: US VS G7
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2018, 13:03:08 »
I have zero respect for Macron and Trudeau.
Well, Trump has  created an almost global consensus regarding his admirable traits and respect.  Hard to compete with that!  :nod:
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Re: US VS G7
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2018, 14:13:09 »
Shouldn't the thread title be "US VS G6?"  Otherwise, Trump is 14.3% fighting himself...

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Re: US VS G7
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2018, 16:00:10 »
Shouldn't the thread title be "US VS G6?"  Otherwise, Trump is 14.3% fighting himself...

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Fake news.  The percentage has to be WAY bigger than that.  Massive crowds percentage.  'UGE you might even say.
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Re: US VS G7
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2018, 17:22:06 »
Well, Trump has  created an almost global consensus regarding his admirable traits and respect.  Hard to compete with that!  :nod:

Couldn't care less about creating global consensus but do want to know what was created to keep his hair in place on the Bagotville tarmac.

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Re: US VS G7
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2018, 05:19:22 »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/photo-of-merkel-trump-goes-viral/ar-AAyr0ub?ocid=spartanntp
© Bundesregierung/Jesco Denzel/Handout/Reuters German Chancellor Angela Merkel speaks to U.S. President Donald Trump during the second day of the G7 meeting in Charlevoix city of La Malbaie, Quebec, Canada, June 9, 201

Trump proposes zero tariff zone
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/06/president-trump-proposes-zero-tariffs-zero-barriers-and-zero-subsidies-at-g7-summit-video/
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Re: US VS G7
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2018, 12:13:22 »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/photo-of-merkel-trump-goes-viral/ar-AAyr0ub?ocid=spartanntp
© Bundesregierung/Jesco Denzel/Handout/Reuters German Chancellor Angela Merkel speaks to U.S. President Donald Trump during the second day of the G7 meeting in Charlevoix city of La Malbaie, Quebec, Canada, June 9, 201

Trump proposes zero tariff zone
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/06/president-trump-proposes-zero-tariffs-zero-barriers-and-zero-subsidies-at-g7-summit-video/
That would be nice,  considering...

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/TM.TAX.MRCH.WM.AR.ZS?end=2016&start=2016&view=bar

Average tariff rates charged by G-7 nations:
USA: 1.6%
EU: 1.6%
UK: 1.6%
Italy: 1.6%
Germany: 1.6%
France: 1.6%
Japan: 1.4%
Canada: 0.8%

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Re: US VS G7
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2018, 12:14:54 »
http://video.foxnews.com/v/5795869384001/?#sp=show-clips

FOX interviewed Stephen Harper

"Canada is the biggest single purchaser of US goods and services in the world...This is the wrong target. And from what I understand of American public opinion, I don't think even Trump supporters think the Canadian trade relationship is a problem."
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Re: US VS G7
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2018, 12:32:00 »
Trudeau needs to walk away from nafta renegotiations right now and dare Trump to bring this before congress.

Congress passed NAFTA,  they would need to repeal it. Call his bluff. Until congress repeats it,  it's business as usual.
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Re: US VS G7
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2018, 12:44:13 »
Perhaps Trump should just wait until 2019 and deal with Scheer, instead of the incompetence of Team Trudeau  :rofl:
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Re: US VS G7
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2018, 12:52:54 »
Perhaps Trump should just wait until 2019 and deal with Scheer, instead of the incompetence of Team Trudeau  :rofl:
When even Harper is saying the US president is out to lunch,  that should say it all.
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Re: US VS G7
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2018, 12:53:05 »
Perhaps Trump should just wait until 2019 and deal with Scheer, instead of the incompetence of Team Trudeau  :rofl:

The only thing standing in the way of a deal right now is supply management. Scheer and all of these fake conservatives are more committed to this communist policy than Trudeau is.

Supply management was a perfect bargaining chip. It is literally a win for us to get rid of it. Unfortunately, I believe Trump has made enough of a stink about it now that he is going to start making it harder for Trudeau to bargain it away, because it will make Canadians think we're losing something.
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Re: US VS G7
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2018, 12:55:22 »
The only thing standing in the way of a deal right now is supply management. Scheer and all of these fake conservatives are more committed to this communist policy than Trudeau is.

Supply management was a perfect bargaining chip. It is literally a win for us to get rid of it. Unfortunately, I believe Trump has made enough of a stink about it now that he is going to start making it harder for Trudeau to bargain it away, because it will make Canadians think we're losing something.
It should be noted that TPP,  which trump oh so wisely pulled out of, included major Canadian concessions on dairy.

But good point,  sheer owes his leadership to the dairy lobby,  he's not giving up on supply management any more than trudeau is.

And for the other sticking point,  the 5 year sunset clause,  it is complete nonsense. What company would set up to do business with the USA,  Canada or Mexico only to have the rules change in 5 years?  No one.
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Re: US VS G7
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2018, 13:01:16 »
My hope is that the democrats wipe out the Republicans in November and stonewall any agenda Trump has after that,  including any changes to NAFTA.

This is complete nonsense. Again,  the weird state where America blasts its allies,  doesn't sign a communique with Americas allies, personally insults a leader of the G7, leaves early to go shake hands with a mass murdering,  nuclear war threatening,  despot of a country with the GDP of new Brunswick.
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Re: US VS G7
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2018, 13:44:08 »
Altair:
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And for the other sticking point,  the 5 year sunset clause,  it is complete nonsense. What company would set up to do business with the USA,  Canada or Mexico only to have the rules change in 5 years?  No one.

Are you e.g. speaking about Cdn Federal and Provincial elections?

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......to go shake hands with a mass murdering,  nuclear war threatening,  despot of a country.....

The big picture Altair is that Trump is attempting to get NOK to give up it's nuc wpns which threaten the whole region and NA, which Canada for instance has no defence (the Liberal policy is that the Party is against ABM's, now and previously).

Are you against Trump for trying for that?

As to Trump  "Blasts Canada's Trudeau as 'Weak and Dishonest", I think many in Canada agree with that.


Kudlow: Canada's Trudeau stabbed us in the back


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Re: US VS G7
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2018, 13:53:39 »
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The big picture Altair is that Trump is attempting to get NOK to give up it's nuc wpns which threaten the whole region and NA, which Canada for instance has no defence (the Liberal policy is that the Party is against ABM's, now and previously).

Are you against Trump for trying for that?[/b]


I bet a lot of North Americans are simply due to the fact they'll support anyone who is appears to be against Trump.
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Re: US VS G7
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2018, 14:29:00 »
Perhaps Trump should just wait until 2019 and deal with Scheer, instead of the incompetence of Team Trudeau  :rofl:
Ya that’s a good plan. Sigh.


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Re: US VS G7
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2018, 14:46:27 »
The only thing standing in the way of a deal right now is supply management. Scheer and all of these fake conservatives are more committed to this communist policy than Trudeau is.

Supply management was a perfect bargaining chip. It is literally a win for us to get rid of it. Unfortunately, I believe Trump has made enough of a stink about it now that he is going to start making it harder for Trudeau to bargain it away, because it will make Canadians think we're losing something.

So President Trump is the champion of his people, re: protecting them from Canada's "unfair" supply management?  Perhaps he supports large corporate conglomerates and not the farmer producing the milk?

https://brownfieldagnews.com/news/wisconsin-farm-bureau-supports-canadian-style-dairy-supply-management/

If one pulls back for a moment to the overall trade picture and play's out what Trump is seeking to achieve (trade parity with all countries trading with America) then one can't help but question "Why would America want to deliberately limit its exports to only the levels of national productivity and output that other nations' markets can return in kind?"  China loves trade surpluses; it shows they're growing their economy and spreading their productivity around the world - they're not limiting themselves the the balance sheets of one-on-one tit-for-tats with 180+ countries.  ???

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« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2018, 14:49:41 »
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/john-mccain-tweet-twitter-donald-trump-us-president-g7-trade-war-a8391881.html%3famp
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John McCain has criticised Donald Trump after he withdrew the US’s endorsement of a G7 communique and threatened to start a trade war with Canada.

“To our allies: bipartisan majorities of Americans remain pro-free trade, pro-globalization & supportive of alliances based on 70 years of shared values,” the veteran Republican politician and one time rival to Mr Trump for the presidency, tweeted

“Americans stand with you, even if our president doesn’t,” the senator added.

I like to think there are americans, republicans especially, who agree with Canada.
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Re: US VS G7
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2018, 14:54:43 »
Watch Fox news and the comments about Trudeau.It isn't pretty.Best to disregard McCain as he is a neverTrumper.

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« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2018, 15:02:56 »
Watch Fox news and the comments about Trudeau.It isn't pretty.Best to disregard McCain as he is a neverTrumper.
McCain has stopped Trumps agenda before, healthcare being one instance.

Seeing how much of the GOP is pro trade, and NAFTA is a act of congress, and would thus need to be a act of Congress to cancel, having men like John McCain saying such things and taking stances with Allies like Canada and the G7 is a good thing, and not to be disregarded.
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Re: US VS G7
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2018, 15:29:37 »
I don't see NAFTA going away.Any new agreements might have to be approved by the Senate. They wont like the 270% tariff on US dairy products.What Trudeau forgets is that a lot of Canadians shop just across the border to avoid higher Canadian prices.

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Re: US VS G7
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2018, 15:54:56 »
I don't see NAFTA going away.Any new agreements might have to be approved by the Senate. They wont like the 270% tariff on US dairy products.What Trudeau forgets is that a lot of Canadians shop just across the border to avoid higher Canadian prices.

Sure do. $1.94/ gal US compared to $1.35/ ltr Cdn. 24 beer for $13.00 (5%) - $2.40 for the cans = $10.60/ 24. Cheaper food and all within a 15 minute  drive. 26oz porterhouse steaks (can't find them in Canada anymore) shrimp boat and all the fixings including a drink for $30.00. I can be stateside in less time than it takes to drive across town. I make no apologies for saving my money.
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« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2018, 16:10:44 »
That's been going on for decades.
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