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Space Force recruiting video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRMUYpH7bQk


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"I always get the shakes before a drop...."

Heinlein wrote the doctrine back in 1959.

I might be a little less enthusiastic if the US Space Force starts building space battleships like the "Micheal" from "Footfall", however. Being anywhere near the launch site will be somewhat....alarming.
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Asteriod Defense!

Someone is taking this to the next level

https://www.space.com/40949-trump-space-force-asteroid-defense.html


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Saw this on Reddit. Outstanding.
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Saw this on Reddit. Outstanding.

Well done to the soldier who did this.

I agree with his “only good bug is a dead bug” except for bees which are ok .....
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A microphone, a TV camera, a crowd and the unfettered imagination of a [insert own adjective here] president makes for a target rich environment for meme makers everywhere.  Far be it for me to talk about what some of the adults are saying when it would be much more enjoyable to join in the (oh so deserved) ridicule of Mr. Trump's announcement.  And yes, there was legitimate direction from the White House about space that appears to be well conceived, timely and a necessary step to the stars (sorry, that last phrase was cheesy).  Now, if someone would just wrestle the microphone from the president, maybe he wouldn't come across as a buffoon.

I was actually looking for some witty memes to join in the fun when I came across this from USNI which seemed a well reasoned comment about "Space Force".

https://news.usni.org/2018/06/18/34434
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Proposed Space Force Would Pull Expertise From All Service Branches

By: Ben Werner   June 18, 2018 5:57 PM

The White House’s proposed military Space Force would likely rely heavily on existing personnel from inside the Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force and Army, plus a host of other intelligence agencies, experts told USNI News on Monday.

The Space Force was announced by President Trump on Monday. Trump’s directive doesn’t provide mission specifics, but the language suggests the Space Force would be charged with protecting both commercial and government assets in space.

“As space becomes increasingly contested, the demand for the Department of Defense to focus on protecting U.S. space assets and interests also increases. At the same time, the rapid commercialization of space requires a traffic management framework that protects U.S. interests and considers the private sector’s needs,” the directive reads.

But before the proposed sixth branch of the military is formed, Congress needs to approve legislation and the Department of Defense would have to iron out the fine details, according to a Monday afternoon statement from Pentagon spokeswoman Dana White.

“We understand the President’s guidance,” she said. “Our policy board will begin working on this issue, which has implications for intelligence operations for the Air Force, Army, Marines and Navy. Working with Congress, this will be a deliberate process with a great deal of input from multiple stakeholders.”

The Pentagon also has to do the homework of creating Space Force theory, doctrine and strategy, retired Air Force Lt. Gen. David Deptula, dean of the Mitchell Institute of Aerospace Power Studies, told USNI News on Monday.

“Creation of an independent Space Force may be the future, but right now it’s premature,” Deptula said.

The last time an independent service branch was created was when the Air Force was split off from the Army after World War II in 1947. By the time the Air Force was created, its leadership had spent two decades between WWI and WWII developing an air power strategy and new technology. During WWII, the then-Army Air Corps continued to refine and implement strategy and technology.

Today with space, developing military strategy hasn’t hasn’t happened to the same degree, Deptula said. As for the technology required for a Space Force to be effective, it’s still very much in the developmental phase.

“I’m all for missile defense using directed energy weapons in space to take out ballistic missiles,” Deptula said. “It’s a great idea, but we’re not there yet.”

Military planners likely have some time to develop the Space Force theory, doctrine, and strategy, since Congress doesn’t appear close to approving the branch, Bryan Clark, a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, told USNI News.

“To really create a Space Force you need legislation, and the legislation appears stalled,” Clark said.

At the pace Congress operates, Clark said it’s unlikely that anything more than a broad proposal could be approved this year, and that might be a stretch. At best, he said the soonest legislation could be approved creating the new branch would be in 2019.

If passed, Congress would likely leave the organizational details for the Pentagon to iron out. Maybe some new flag officer billets would be created by legislation, but their job descriptions would probably be developed at the Pentagon. Even determining the rank structure — a Navy/Coast Guard model using admirals, or an Army/Air Force model using generals — would come from the Pentagon, Clark said.

The process used by the Department of Defense to establish U.S. Cyber Command provides a possible model, Clark said. Each service branch has cyber experts, and they were pulled together to form the new command. A new Space Force would likely do something similar, pulling in personnel from jobs with an existing space focus.

“Appropriators [in Congress] would decide how much money, and the Department of Defense would decide what duties would be moved to Space Force,” Clark said.

Deptula thinks the Space Force will be created in the future, but he is not sure the Congress has the drive to create the force.

“We can’t even recapitalize the geriatric forces we have inside the Air Force, so where is this extra money going to come from?” Deptula said.

"The language suggests . . ."?  What language was there other than what seemed an off the cuff announcement during a rally about creating another service?  Maybe there's something official (other than presidential babbling and tweets) from the White House.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-achieving-safe-secure-future-space/
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President Donald J. Trump is Achieving a Safe and Secure Future in Space

Infrastructure & Technology   Issued on: June 18, 2018


“This is a giant step toward inspiring future generations and toward reclaiming America’s proud destiny in space.”

President Donald J. Trump

FURTHER SPACE DEVELOPMENT: President Donald J. Trump signed Space Policy Directive – 3 directing the United States to lead the management of traffic and mitigate the effects of debris in space.

Space Policy Directive – 3 provides guidelines and direction to ensure that the United States is a leader in providing a safe and secure environment as commercial and civil space traffic increases.
 •As space becomes increasingly contested, the demand for the Department of Defense to focus on protecting U.S. space assets and interests also increases.
 •At the same time, the rapid commercialization of space requires a traffic management framework that protects U.S. interests and considers the private sector’s needs.

•The new Directive seeks to reduce the growing threat of orbital debris to the common interest of all nations.
 •The Directive articulates the policy of the United States to pursue and utilize both Government and commercial sector technologies to track and monitor space debris.
 •The Directive requires updates to the U.S. Orbital Debris Mitigation Standard Practices and new guidelines for satellite design and operation.

•The new Directive sets guidelines for the United States to manage space traffic more effectively by spearheading new data sharing initiatives.
 •The United States should continue to provide basic space situational awareness data and basic space traffic management services free of direct user fees.
 •The Department of Commerce will make space safety data and services available to the public, while the Department of Defense maintains the authoritative catalogue of space objects.

•The United States will maintain and expand its leadership in space by increasing its capabilities and developing standards and best practices. This effort will:
 •Improve space situational awareness data standards and information sharing;
 •Leverage U.S. standards and best practices to shape international norms; and
 •Streamline processes and reduce regulatory burdens that inhibit commercial growth, enabling the U.S. commercial sector to lead the world in space.

A RENEWED VIGOR FOR SPACE: The new Space Policy Directive builds on the President’s efforts to reinstate the United States leadership role in space.
•On May 24, 2018, the President signed Space Policy Directive – 2 to reform United States commercial space regulatory framework, seeking to ensure our place as a leader in space commerce.
•On March 23, 2018, President Trump unveiled a National Space Strategy that laid out an approach to ensuring that the United States is strong and competitive in the space environment.
•On December 11, 2017, the President signed Space Policy Directive – 1, instructing NASA to return United States astronauts to the Moon, followed by human missions to Mars.
•On June 30 2017, President Trump signed an Executive Order reviving the National Space Council for the first time in 24 years.

Space Policy Directive - 3?  That is a much longer and more detailed document.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/space-policy-directive-3-national-space-traffic-management-policy/

Somewhere between President Trump (hopefully) being briefed and signing off on this policy directive that obviously is the result of much intensive, detailed and knowledgeable staff work and showing up for his routine of a self-adulation rally, his takeaway is "Starship Troopers".   :not-again:
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They could just add this to the PRES mission tasks.

Direct fire
Mortars
Light Urban Search and rescue
IA
Space Force DRC (See IA for more details)
Optio

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They could just add this to the PRES mission tasks.

Direct fire
Mortars
Light Urban Search and rescue
IA
Space Force DRC (See IA for more details)

And we'd have about as much success achieving the Space Task as the rest of them, unless Space needs a few good parades :)
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Congress is starting to push back against the idea.Last year they killed the idea of USAF Space Corps.

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Congress is starting to push back against the idea.Last year they killed the idea of USAF Space Corps.
Based solely upon open source news ("fake news" to some), there was absolutely no credible advisor (Defence, WH COS, USAF, DHS....) saying "good idea."  No wonder all the normally Trump-supportive sources are flooding the market with memes, pre-empting the late-night show hosts in mocking this.

Probably the most likely justification heard is that, when the First Lady was in limbo for a while recently, the President caught the Starship Troopers' co-ed shower scene -- one frame at a time, of course -- and thought, "as Comd-in-Chief, I could visit  the troops!"

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While there is a lot of American military activity in space, it is scattered over all the Armed Services. Space is also a true "domain", with vastly different characteristics than land, sea, air, cyber etc., so the idea of actually grouping all these disparate capabilities under one roof to operate in one domain actually does make a certain amount of sense.

We might also consider that this idea has actually been floating around in various forms for decades (as well as single service attempts to gain a foothold in space; the US Army made studies of establishing a military base on the Moon as far back as the late 1950's [Project Horizon], or the US Navy attempting to create a space fighter that could be launched from an SLBM missile tube in the early 70's. The USAF's secretive X-37 tests indicate they are still looking at the technical aspects of how to operate in space, using more modern concepts and equipment.

So the idea of a single organization to deal with all aspects of Space warfare isn't, in of itself, a bad thing.
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...there was absolutely no credible advisor (Defence, WH COS, USAF, DHS....) saying "good idea."

So the idea of a single organization to deal with all aspects of Space warfare isn't, in of itself, a bad thing.
Ok, one person now agrees, "credible" notwithstanding.  Please understand if I go back to being underwhelmed.   

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Since we have no idea who said what behind the scenes, and I am not keeping track of inter service rivalries, I'm not clear why President Trump is broaching the idea now, nor what agenda this is meant to support/frustrate.

This may just be another "s**t or get off the pot" prod by the Chief Executive to stir the Armed Forces out of their comfort zones to start dealing with the various unconventional threats that we are being presented (Chinese stealth aircraft, Russian/Chinese hypersonic weapons, new generations of tactical nuclear weapons, cyber penetration of the US infrastructure etc.). Having to think outside the box might provide some new insights (although such a huge bureaucratic organization might simply swallow any such insights without ever noticing.....).
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While there is a lot of American military activity in space, it is scattered over all the Armed Services. Space is also a true "domain", with vastly different characteristics than land, sea, air, cyber etc., so the idea of actually grouping all these disparate capabilities under one roof to operate in one domain actually does make a certain amount of sense.

We might also consider that this idea has actually been floating around in various forms for decades (as well as single service attempts to gain a foothold in space; the US Army made studies of establishing a military base on the Moon as far back as the late 1950's [Project Horizon], or the US Navy attempting to create a space fighter that could be launched from an SLBM missile tube in the early 70's. The USAF's secretive X-37 tests indicate they are still looking at the technical aspects of how to operate in space, using more modern concepts and equipment.

So the idea of a single organization to deal with all aspects of Space warfare isn't, in of itself, a bad thing.

Isn't this why the US forces have both geographic and functional Unified Combatant Commands.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_combatant_command#History

Title 10 US Code Chapter 6  respecting Combatant Commands is here:

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2010-title10/pdf/USCODE-2010-title10-subtitleA-partI-chap6.pdf

See especially s 161 where the President with the advice and assistance of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff through the Secretary of Defence shall (1) establish Unified Combatant Commands.

That sounds a lot simpler than establishing a sixth branch.

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Isn't this why the US forces have both geographic and functional Unified Combatant Commands.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_combatant_command#History

Title 10 US Code Chapter 6  respecting Combatant Commands is here:

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2010-title10/pdf/USCODE-2010-title10-subtitleA-partI-chap6.pdf

See especially s 161 where the President with the advice and assistance of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff through the Secretary of Defence shall (1) establish Unified Combatant Commands.

That sounds a lot simpler than establishing a sixth branch.

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Perhaps, although this might be more suitable for establishing "joint" commands, and also seems to be better suited to combining various capabilities over various domains (PACCOM, needs to control land, sea, air and space, and the cyber domain throughout for example).

At any rate, without really knowing what the particular end goal is, speculation is just that. Maybe President Trump is looking to distract everyone while the real goal is elsewhere.....

As a bit of historical trivia, the United States had some very ambitious plans for space warfare in the early 1960's which make for astounding reading. The people who developed the "Orion" nuclear pulse drive had serious plans to reach Mars by 1975, and send an expedition to Saturn soon after. Some of the military versions of their spacecraft would mass up to 4000 tons (similar to a modern naval frigate), rather than the spidery vehicles which reached the Moon in 1969:

http://www.thespacereview.com/article/2714/1

http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/space/AD0385959.pdf
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I am afraid like Canada we have a lot of headquarters and of course general officers.For example do we really need AFRICOM ?

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Perhaps, although this might be more suitable for establishing "joint" commands, and also seems to be better suited to combining various capabilities over various domains (PACCOM, needs to control land, sea, air and space, and the cyber domain throughout for example).

At any rate, without really knowing what the particular end goal is, speculation is just that. Maybe President Trump is looking to distract everyone while the real goal is elsewhere.....

As a bit of historical trivia, the United States had some very ambitious plans for space warfare in the early 1960's which make for astounding reading. The people who developed the "Orion" nuclear pulse drive had serious plans to reach Mars by 1975, and send an expedition to Saturn soon after. Some of the military versions of their spacecraft would mass up to 4000 tons (similar to a modern naval frigate), rather than the spidery vehicles which reached the Moon in 1969:

http://www.thespacereview.com/article/2714/1

http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/space/AD0385959.pdf

Unified Combatant Commands are "joint commands" such as the geographical US Central Command and the functional US Special Operations Command each with various Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines etc service component commands and even subordinate unified combatant command elements such as USSOCCENT. The only question would be whether or not US Space Command is geographical or functional.  ;D

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Mind you I bet a lot of people making fun of the direction, also have no idea how their GPS works or just how reliant we are on space based navigation systems.

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I am afraid like Canada we have a lot of headquarters and of course general officers.For example do we really need AFRICOM ?

Good point. Based on their casualty rates due to enemy action? I'd say they should probably all be fired....  :)
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