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Re: Prime minister apologizes to reporter but doesn't remember why?
« Reply #25 on: July 09, 2018, 08:21:03 »
Yes, they did.

But what choice did they have in the climate of that time, when everybody accused was presumed to be guilty?

Had he stayed on, that would have been the Liberal and NDP prime focus during the campaign.

I'm not arguing that.  Just that what Bruce posted was relevant and on point.
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Re: Prime minister apologizes to reporter but doesn't remember why?
« Reply #26 on: July 09, 2018, 08:22:43 »
Had Brown been the PM I suppose he could have reflected on what allegedly happened and decided he was moving forward without an independent investigation.
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Re: Prime minister apologizes to reporter but doesn't remember why?
« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2018, 08:24:07 »
On the bright side at least people stopped talking about the swingset eh?
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Re: Prime minister apologizes to reporter but doesn't remember why?
« Reply #28 on: July 09, 2018, 08:25:31 »
Had Brown been the PM I suppose he could have reflected on what allegedly happened and decided he was moving forward without an independent investigation.

He can, now that the PM has pressed the reset button on his values and feminist approach. 

Something tells me we'll be hearing less feminist pontification from the Prime Minister.
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Re: Prime minister apologizes to reporter but doesn't remember why?
« Reply #29 on: July 09, 2018, 09:08:56 »
He can, now that the PM has pressed the reset button on his values and feminist approach. 

Something tells me we'll be hearing less feminist pontification from the Prime Minister.

I’d put money on him doubling his efforts, in order to show some contrition without actually admitting any guilt.
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Re: Prime minister apologizes to reporter but doesn't remember why?
« Reply #30 on: July 09, 2018, 09:24:38 »
I’d put money on him doubling his efforts, in order to show some contrition without actually admitting any guilt.

I wouldn't take that bet ;)

Either way I think the damage is done.
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Re: Prime minister apologizes to reporter but doesn't remember why?
« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2018, 10:02:19 »
Why has this thread been "pinned" so that it always appears at the top of the thread board? 

AFAIK that is not normally done - indeed the only other pin is about how to talk about politics on Army.ca....
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Re: Prime minister apologizes to reporter but doesn't remember why?
« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2018, 10:10:46 »
Why has this thread been "pinned" so that it always appears at the top of the thread board? 

AFAIK that is not normally done - indeed the only other pin is about how to talk about politics on Army.ca....

I hadn't noticed.  But it is a good question.
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Re: Prime minister apologizes to reporter but doesn't remember why?
« Reply #33 on: July 09, 2018, 10:11:42 »
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Re: Prime minister apologizes to reporter but doesn't remember why?
« Reply #34 on: July 09, 2018, 10:32:55 »
https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/trudeau-groping-allegation-1.4738492

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Hypocrisy is at the crux of the Trudeau groping allegation

The prime minister and his defenders are asking for a type of consideration previously denied to others

This is about hypocrisy — not about what did or did not happen at a music festival 18 years ago.

It is about "believing women," until it happens to you; about taking all allegations of sexual misconduct seriously, except if they happen to pass some arbitrary expiration date. It is about employing an unwavering zero-tolerance policy, which, in practice, ends up showing some tolerance for the man at the top.

It is about having one set of standards for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, and another set of standards to everyone else. That's the issue. Not what did or did not happen in Creston, B.C.



And from the article, on bringing up alligations from the past without concent

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Ironically, there is at least one recent occasion when a private allegation was put on the public record without the complainants' express permission: That is, in late 2014 when Trudeau went public with allegations against MPs Scott Andrews and Massimo Pacetti, without telling the women involved — two NDP MPs — in advance. The women felt blindsided according to the NDP whip at the time.

Did Trudeau consult with "the experts" on that one too?

Remainder of the article at the link
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Re: Prime minister apologizes to reporter but doesn't remember why?
« Reply #35 on: July 09, 2018, 10:55:37 »
Jarnhammer, that is exactly what I was saying.

And this is the CBC reporting this. 

Maybe now Scheer will stop asking about swing sets and the opposition might have something more substantial to go after him in the fall.   
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Re: Prime minister apologizes to reporter but doesn't remember why?
« Reply #36 on: July 09, 2018, 11:23:55 »
Jarnhammer, that is exactly what I was saying.

And this is the CBC reporting this. 

Maybe now Scheer will stop asking about swing sets and the opposition might have something more substantial to go after him in the fall.

I guess this tweet didn't age well, eh?

https://twitter.com/justintrudeau/status/390904041808867328?lang=en


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Re: Prime minister apologizes to reporter but doesn't remember why?
« Reply #37 on: July 09, 2018, 11:36:44 »
I guess this tweet didn't age well, eh?

Like a Canadian version of Trump Criticizes Trump.
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Re: Prime minister apologizes to reporter but doesn't remember why?
« Reply #38 on: July 09, 2018, 11:53:52 »
With only 121 likes and 187 retweets I'd say only his family and friends ;D saw it...
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Re: Prime minister apologizes to reporter but doesn't remember why?
« Reply #39 on: July 09, 2018, 13:49:08 »
Jarnhammer, that is exactly what I was saying.

And this is the CBC reporting this. 


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I guess this tweet didn't age well, eh?

Nope.

I predict we'll see some TrudeaTears on TV when the PMO realizes their nothing to see here tactics aren't working.
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Re: Prime minister apologizes to reporter but doesn't remember why?
« Reply #40 on: July 09, 2018, 13:54:26 »
Like a Canadian version of Trump Criticizes Trump.

Want me to move your post over to the US President thread? Or is the Trump Derangement Syndrome bad enough that he has to come up in a thread about a domestic Canadian political issue?

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Re: Prime minister apologizes to reporter but doesn't remember why?
« Reply #41 on: July 09, 2018, 13:58:25 »
Or is the Trump Derangement Syndrome bad enough that he has to come up in a thread about a domestic Canadian political issue?

He already has come up in this discussion.

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What's discouraging here is the legions of folks who were outraged by DT's words, seem to have no problem with JT's deeds.

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Re: Prime minister apologizes to reporter but doesn't remember why?
« Reply #42 on: July 09, 2018, 14:10:44 »
When has 2 wrongs ever made a right?

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Re: Prime minister apologizes to reporter but doesn't remember why?
« Reply #43 on: July 09, 2018, 14:15:32 »
When has 2 wrongs ever made a right?

I did not say what is right or wrong.

I am simply suggesting, PuckChaser, if you want to move Reply #40, you may, or not, wish to move Reply #3 as well.

Want me to move your post over to the US President thread?

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Re: Prime minister apologizes to reporter but doesn't remember why?
« Reply #44 on: July 09, 2018, 14:24:42 »
Maybe now Scheer will stop asking about swing sets and the opposition might have something more substantial to go after him in the fall.

Why? Do you think the grits will even answer, or provide any sort of clarity? Or how many personal days the PM will take trying to avoid the question? We already know he's going to blame Harper. If they even address it, will they just go off subject as they are want to do?

We're far enough along in his mandate to know that Trudeau and Butts won't answer, unless they want to. Protocol and fairness be damned.
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Re: Prime minister apologizes to reporter but doesn't remember why?
« Reply #45 on: July 09, 2018, 14:30:50 »
Thanks for finding that one tiny, insignificant piece of fly crap in the pepper Bruce. Your input is as valuable as ever. There are many that would disagree with you about Brown being on the right.

Wasn't picking flyshit at all, in fact not even close.....just ensuring that people know that this is more about the hypocrisy of our PM and not a "left/right" thing.
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Re: Prime minister apologizes to reporter but doesn't remember why?
« Reply #46 on: July 09, 2018, 14:33:07 »
Why? Do you think the grits will even answer, or provide any sort of clarity? Or how many personal days the PM will take trying to avoid the question? We already know he's going to blame Harper. If they even address it, will they just go off subject as they are want to do?

We're far enough along in his mandate to know that Trudeau and Butts won't answer, unless they want to. Protocol and fairness be damned.

It doesn't matter if he answers or not.  It's about keeping the narrative going. This is one area where the opposition could be effective if they wanted to.  Even the Trudeau friendly media is asking about his hypocrisy on the subject. 
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Re: Prime minister apologizes to reporter but doesn't remember why?
« Reply #47 on: July 09, 2018, 14:48:30 »
It doesn't matter if he answers or not.  It's about keeping the narrative going. This is one area where the opposition could be effective if they wanted to were any good at all.  Even the Trudeau friendly media is asking about his hypocrisy on the subject.

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Re: Prime minister apologizes to reporter but doesn't remember why?
« Reply #48 on: July 09, 2018, 15:11:52 »
JT built the cage he is squirming end and was quite happy to shove others into it. The fact the woman does not wish to pursue it, could be that she does not want the publicity or she is afraid of the backlash from criticizing the PM. The progressives can be quite nasty to anyone who challenges their idols. I relish the fact that he is caught in a trap of his own making. However on a broader front, I don't think anyone who is "normal" today can survive the media and PC scrutiny of national politics and we are going to see a massive drop in potentiel candidates. The remaining ones were be puritanical in whichever belief system they have and things will get nastier.   

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Re: Prime minister apologizes to reporter but doesn't remember why?
« Reply #49 on: July 11, 2018, 13:03:08 »
So I'm hearing he grabbed her ***.

If that's true then I can totally understand where the confusion comes from and how a woman might perceive that differently than a man. Wide open to interpretation. Pretty understandable why Trudeau wouldn't consider that a negative interaction with a woman and apologize right away/the next day when he realized she was uncomfortable/worked for a big news paper.
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